Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread w2xj

Wayne

I seriously doubt this is an RF issue. TV is all digital and has no discrete 
audio carrier. TV RF interference would sound like white noise. This sounds 
more like an audio ground loop of some sort.  




> On June 18, 2021 10:33 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
>  
> John,
> 
> If the K4 is *off*, then there's no active circuitry involved. However, the 
> headphone plug-insertion detect circuit may involve an IC downstream that 
> could include a schottky diode junction -- a potential way a very strong 
> signal could be rectified right at the radio end of the cable. We're looking 
> at that. 
> 
> If the cable is not very well shielded, and the TV station is *very strong*, 
> I can imagine modern physics just barely covering this situation. It would 
> help if the headphone cable was about the length of an end-fed dipole at the 
> station's frequency.
> 
> As for the K4 chassis itself: It's very well sealed (far better than the 
> K3/K3S).
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:36 PM, John Harper  wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XRaNpgQDI
> > 
> > John AE5X
> > https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> > 
> >> Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off, I 
> >> hear a local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Paul Van Dyke
John

Would you put that under "Worked All Molars?"

Paul KB9AVO

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:35 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> John,
>
> If the K4 is *off*, then there's no active circuitry involved. However,
> the headphone plug-insertion detect circuit may involve an IC downstream
> that could include a schottky diode junction -- a potential way a very
> strong signal could be rectified right at the radio end of the cable. We're
> looking at that.
>
> If the cable is not very well shielded, and the TV station is *very
> strong*, I can imagine modern physics just barely covering this situation.
> It would help if the headphone cable was about the length of an end-fed
> dipole at the station's frequency.
>
> As for the K4 chassis itself: It's very well sealed (far better than the
> K3/K3S).
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:36 PM, John Harper  wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XRaNpgQDI
> >
> > John AE5X
> > https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> >
> >> Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off,
> I hear a local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
John,

If the K4 is *off*, then there's no active circuitry involved. However, the 
headphone plug-insertion detect circuit may involve an IC downstream that could 
include a schottky diode junction -- a potential way a very strong signal could 
be rectified right at the radio end of the cable. We're looking at that. 

If the cable is not very well shielded, and the TV station is *very strong*, I 
can imagine modern physics just barely covering this situation. It would help 
if the headphone cable was about the length of an end-fed dipole at the 
station's frequency.

As for the K4 chassis itself: It's very well sealed (far better than the 
K3/K3S).

Wayne
N6KR



> On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:36 PM, John Harper  wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XRaNpgQDI
> 
> John AE5X
> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> 
>> Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off, I 
>> hear a local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB/45 vs Yamaha CM500

2021-06-18 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/18/2021 5:36 PM, Dana wrote:

  I replaced the set with a Koss SB/45


Very active contester K6LL likes a Koss headset, maybe that one. GM3SEK 
reported that Yamaha headsets are not available in the UK, and both he 
and his XYL like Koss headsets.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Koss SB/45 vs Yamaha CM500

2021-06-18 Thread Dana
My CM500 died on me, looks like the electret element … I replaced the set with 
a Koss SB/45
which was cheaper and quite comfortable and plugs into the K3 as well (K4 too).
The price of the CM500 had doubled up here in Canada for some reason, so the 
Koss looked more attractive.

73 Dana VE3DS

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
Greaat!

This is NOT a big deal to me… let me know if I can help…

Tom W4KX

From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 6:09 PM
To: Tom Doligalski
Cc: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

We’re testing a fix. 

W

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On Jun 18, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
 wrote:
Interesting, and possibly related (and I kind of forgot till I read Jim’s 
email). 

Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off, I hear a 
local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.

Headphones connected to the rear panel jack.  

Gonna get out the ferrites…

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad 


On Jun 18, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:

On 6/18/2021 3:58 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
For years I used a Radiosport headset with my K3. Worked like a champ. Since I 
received my K4 I noticed annoying RFI-induced feedback on the Radiosport when 
operating SSB on the K4. Monitor is set to 0.

I would blame that on the radio. Elecraft has a long history of Pin One 
Problems, which are a well known cause of RFI. I first alerted Wayne to this at 
least 15 years ago. Elecraft is not unique in the regard -- the last time I was 
at Dayton, several years ago, EVERY radio on display in booths that I was able 
to look at had obvious Pin One Problems. The following links were written 
nearly 20 years ago. Pro audio has mostly cleaned up its act. Ham radio is 
still in the dark ages.

http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited.pdf
http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited_Part_2.pdf

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread John Harper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XRaNpgQDI

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

>Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off, I hear 
>a local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
We’re testing a fix. 

W


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> On Jun 18, 2021, at 2:21 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, and possibly related (and I kind of forgot till I read Jim’s 
> email). 
> 
> Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off, I hear 
> a local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.
> 
> Headphones connected to the rear panel jack.  
> 
> Gonna get out the ferrites…
> 
> Tom W4KX
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 6/18/2021 3:58 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
>>> For years I used a Radiosport headset with my K3. Worked like a champ. 
>>> Since I received my K4 I noticed annoying RFI-induced feedback on the 
>>> Radiosport when operating SSB on the K4. Monitor is set to 0.
>> 
>> I would blame that on the radio. Elecraft has a long history of Pin One 
>> Problems, which are a well known cause of RFI. I first alerted Wayne to this 
>> at least 15 years ago. Elecraft is not unique in the regard -- the last time 
>> I was at Dayton, several years ago, EVERY radio on display in booths that I 
>> was able to look at had obvious Pin One Problems. The following links were 
>> written nearly 20 years ago. Pro audio has mostly cleaned up its act. Ham 
>> radio is still in the dark ages.
>> 
>> http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited.pdf
>> http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited_Part_2.pdf
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
Interesting, and possibly related (and I kind of forgot till I read Jim’s 
email). 

Noticed that when the antenna are disconnected, and the K4 turned off, I hear a 
local TV station in the headphones… Never happened on the K3.

Headphones connected to the rear panel jack.  

Gonna get out the ferrites…

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad 

> On Jun 18, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 6/18/2021 3:58 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
>> For years I used a Radiosport headset with my K3. Worked like a champ. Since 
>> I received my K4 I noticed annoying RFI-induced feedback on the Radiosport 
>> when operating SSB on the K4. Monitor is set to 0.
> 
> I would blame that on the radio. Elecraft has a long history of Pin One 
> Problems, which are a well known cause of RFI. I first alerted Wayne to this 
> at least 15 years ago. Elecraft is not unique in the regard -- the last time 
> I was at Dayton, several years ago, EVERY radio on display in booths that I 
> was able to look at had obvious Pin One Problems. The following links were 
> written nearly 20 years ago. Pro audio has mostly cleaned up its act. Ham 
> radio is still in the dark ages.
> 
> http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited.pdf
> http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited_Part_2.pdf
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 operating posture

2021-06-18 Thread Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft
I have to temporarily re-arrange my amp table to troubleshoot one of my two 
amps.  The only way to do it is to move the kpa1500to my main desk and place it 
on its left side with the rubber feet.  I know heat rises but once the fans 
come on it should direct the heatout of the normal top vents.  Is this a bad 
thing to do?
BillK3WJV
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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Pro 7 headset with KX3 - RF feedback?

2021-06-18 Thread James Bennett via Elecraft
It seems to depend on the headset being used. I have an IC-705 (my K-line is 
packed in storage currently) and have tried Bluetooth with it. Using several 
different BT headsets (Bose QC, Apple Air Pods, Avantree) it was an utter 
failure on CW. However, I recently got an Srhythm NC35 noise cancelling headset 
from Amazon. It works wonderfully on CW - zero latency to be detected. I 
operated several times in the CWops Wednesday night get togethers (high-speed 
CW) and THIS bluetooth headset was perfect. That being said, I am unaware what 
version of BT the ‘705 is using. But, one shouldn’t completely abandon the 
technology - it can work in certain circumstances.

Jim / K7TXA

> On Jun 18, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 6/18/2021 12:04 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
>> Has anyone used rx audio via Bluetooth into their hearing aids? Any issues?
> 
> The important (and killer) issue with Bluetooth is latency when you try to 
> run CW. The delay makes it impossible to send with any form of bug, paddle, 
> or straight key. The delay is also be problematic if you try to monitor 
> yourself on SSB. When I was doing live sound for large crowds outdoors, I 
> heard very professional announcers slow down and stop talking when they heard 
> themselves coming back through the system 100 msec late.
> 
> There are (at least) two forms of BlueTooth. The one for shorter distances 
> (lower power) has less latency than the other. Both would be a killer for CW, 
> but the shorter one might not be too bad for monitoring our own transmission 
> on SSB.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Pro 7 headset with KX3 - RF feedback?

2021-06-18 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/18/2021 12:04 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:

Has anyone used rx audio via Bluetooth into their hearing aids? Any issues?


The important (and killer) issue with Bluetooth is latency when you try 
to run CW. The delay makes it impossible to send with any form of bug, 
paddle, or straight key. The delay is also be problematic if you try to 
monitor yourself on SSB. When I was doing live sound for large crowds 
outdoors, I heard very professional announcers slow down and stop 
talking when they heard themselves coming back through the system 100 
msec late.


There are (at least) two forms of BlueTooth. The one for shorter 
distances (lower power) has less latency than the other. Both would be a 
killer for CW, but the shorter one might not be too bad for monitoring 
our own transmission on SSB.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Pro 7 headset with KX3 - RF feedback?

2021-06-18 Thread Rick NK7I

Slight topic change, apologies.

Has anyone used rx audio via Bluetooth into their hearing aids? Any issues?

I was hoping the K4 would have BT audio, but it doesn't.  So the next 
best option would be to send the sound card audio to BT in a computer, 
linked to the aids or headset...  I don't have my K4 yet, so it's a guess.


73,
Rick NK7I


On 6/18/2021 11:58 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 6/18/2021 11:34 AM, Ed Cole wrote:
I wear hearing aids and the CM500 immediately set up a loud howl the 
minute I put them on (even with not being plugged into the radio).  
Apparently my hearing aid gain is so high the CM500 provided feedback 
to the hearing aid mics - I have two with my OTE (over the ear) 
hearing aids.


That's acoustic interaction of the earphones with your aids, and 
depends on the placement of the mics in the aids. Mics for the aids 
are picking up their own amplified sound, because the acoustic space 
around the ear is modified by the presence of the earphones. In sound 
systems, we call that feedback. It makes sense that different 
headphones would interact differently with aids, depending on the 
construction of both.


My XYL uses aids where the mics are outside the ear. She doesn't use 
headphones when she's wearing them.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Pro 7 headset with KX3 - RF feedback?

2021-06-18 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/18/2021 11:34 AM, Ed Cole wrote:
I wear hearing aids and the CM500 immediately set up a loud howl the 
minute I put them on (even with not being plugged into the radio).  
Apparently my hearing  aid gain is so high the CM500 provided feedback 
to the hearing aid mics - I have two with my OTE (over the ear) hearing 
aids.


That's acoustic interaction of the earphones with your aids, and depends 
on the placement of the mics in the aids. Mics for the aids are picking 
up their own amplified sound, because the acoustic space around the ear 
is modified by the presence of the earphones. In sound systems, we call 
that feedback. It makes sense that different headphones would interact 
differently with aids, depending on the construction of both.


My XYL uses aids where the mics are outside the ear. She doesn't use 
headphones when she's wearing them.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Pro 7 headset with KX3 - RF feedback?

2021-06-18 Thread Ed Cole

Here we go again:  "The favorite headset topic".

Most of you who have been on this list a few years might recall when I 
tried out a Yamaha CM500 headset.  I wear hearing aids and the CM500 
immediately set up a loud howl the minute I put them on (even with not 
being plugged into the radio).  Apparently my hearing  aid gain is so 
high the CM500 provided feedback to the hearing aid mics - I have two 
with my OTE (over the ear) hearing aids.  I sold the brand new Yamaha to 
a reader for a good discount.


For  years I have worn a Sony stereo headset.  So to add a boom mic I 
bought the AntLion unit.  It has a nice earth magnet button that one 
sticks onto the headset.  The mic boom attaches nicely with magnetics.  
On air reports good with standard or cardiod pattern selected.


I've only used it with my K3/10, so this does not directly answer use on 
the KX3 (which I also have).


Big soft foam ear muffs are comfortable over my hearing aids for hours 
of use.  "If it ain't broke, why change".  I use a venerable old Heil 
HM10 desk mic on the K3 when not needing a boom mic.


Ed - KL7UW

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Re: [Elecraft] WANTED: P3 WITH EXTERNAL MONITOR OUTPUT

2021-06-18 Thread greg best
Hi Paul,

 

Thanks very much for answering the post. Can you please send a picture or two 
and do you have the manual to go with it?

 

73’s

Greg N9GB 

 

From: Paul GACEK 
Date: Friday, June 18, 2021 at 1:28 PM
To: greg best 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WANTED: P3 WITH EXTERNAL MONITOR OUTPUT

 

Hi Greg

 

I have a spare one that I’ll part with for $775 plus $25 shipping.

 

It has what you want.

Paul

W6PNG 

www.nomadic.blog




On Jun 18, 2021, at 11:10 AM, greg best  wrote:

I am looking for a P3 in good condition that has external monitor output 
capability. I am located in Kansas City.



73’s

Greg N9GB

816-792-2913 

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Re: [Elecraft] WANTED: P3 WITH EXTERNAL MONITOR OUTPUT

2021-06-18 Thread Paul GACEK via Elecraft
Hi Greg

I have a spare one that I’ll part with for $775 plus $25 shipping.

It has what you want.

Paul
W6PNG 
www.nomadic.blog

> On Jun 18, 2021, at 11:10 AM, greg best  wrote:
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> I am looking for a P3 in good condition that has external monitor output 
> capability. I am located in Kansas City.
> 
> 
> 
> 73’s
> 
> Greg N9GB
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> 816-792-2913 
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[Elecraft] WANTED: P3 WITH EXTERNAL MONITOR OUTPUT

2021-06-18 Thread greg best
I am looking for a P3 in good condition that has external monitor output 
capability. I am located in Kansas City.

 

73’s

Greg N9GB

816-792-2913 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/18/2021 3:58 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:

For years I used a Radiosport headset with my K3. Worked like a champ. Since I 
received my K4 I noticed annoying RFI-induced feedback on the Radiosport when 
operating SSB on the K4. Monitor is set to 0.


I would blame that on the radio. Elecraft has a long history of Pin One 
Problems, which are a well known cause of RFI. I first alerted Wayne to 
this at least 15 years ago. Elecraft is not unique in the regard -- the 
last time I was at Dayton, several years ago, EVERY radio on display in 
booths that I was able to look at had obvious Pin One Problems. The 
following links were written nearly 20 years ago. Pro audio has mostly 
cleaned up its act. Ham radio is still in the dark ages.


http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited.pdf
http://k9yc.com/Pin_1_Revisited_Part_2.pdf

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] [K2] FS: K2 with new KAT2 and options - PS, also has IMA

2021-06-18 Thread Alan D. Wilcox
PS ... The K2 also has the IMA, "K2 Internal Mic Adaptor" configured for 
Heil microphone at the moment.


Hello,

See https://wilcoxengineering.com/2020/06/09/selling-extra-equipment for 
info and photos.


If you're interested in buying, contact me off list.

Cheers,

Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40, SKCC 22955)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
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http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 ... Elecraft Client Comments
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
Tom,

We'll try to duplicate and correct this. I'll get back to you.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> For years I used a Radiosport headset with my K3. Worked like a champ. Since 
> I received my K4 I noticed annoying RFI-induced feedback on the Radiosport 
> when operating SSB on the K4. Monitor is set to 0. No trouble on the internal 
> speaker. 
> 
> I’m gonna try ferrites next. 
> 
> Surprised to see this on the K4 and not on the K3!
> 
> Tom W4KX



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[Elecraft] 73CNC.com knob for K3

2021-06-18 Thread Howard Sherer
I am moving my station to a remote site and can't benefit from the great
tuning feel from this heavyweight N8BX 73CNC.com knob. This is the like
new condition black main tuning knob for the K3/s without the ball bearing
finger dimple. I prefer this style as the tuning is extremely smooth any
way you use it.

$110. including postage to the US.

Howard AE3T
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Re: [Elecraft] test-K7HP

2021-06-18 Thread Raymer, Timothy
I wouldn't go that far.  I too have been dealing with CLINK issues.  This was 
one of 6 messages in the spam filter.  At least it did not get bounced and 
never make it too the spam filter.  I keep hoping the Bayesian filtering would 
start working...

73 de KA0OUV


- Original Message -
From: "Ian, NV4C" 
To: "HP" , "Elecraft List (To: Address)" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] test-K7HP

Congratulations! You seem to have exorcised CenturyLink's demons!

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On 6/17/21 6:36 PM, HP via Elecraft wrote:
> centurylink demons
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[Elecraft] K4 observation

2021-06-18 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
For years I used a Radiosport headset with my K3. Worked like a champ. Since I 
received my K4 I noticed annoying RFI-induced feedback on the Radiosport when 
operating SSB on the K4. Monitor is set to 0. No trouble on the internal 
speaker. 

I’m gonna try ferrites next. 

Surprised to see this on the K4 and not on the K3!

Tom W4KX

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