Re: [Elecraft] KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band

[Michael Urspringer]

Hi Reed,

Thanks for the hint with the  Automated Transmit Gain Calibration. This
solved my issue as well!

73, Michael DG3NAB
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[Elecraft] KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band

[Reed Fite]

Hi Michael,
Glad it fixed it Michalel!
73,Reed  W4JZ

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[Elecraft] Bringing K3s-P3 out of storage ?

[Jerry Moore]

Are there any suggested steps prior to powering them on or just plug n play?
Tnx.
De AE4PB ..
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[Elecraft] need readable kx3 block-diagram

[JEROME SODUS]

Hello,

I'm scheduled to give, at the August meeting of the South Mountain Radio 
Amateurs club, a presentation on the workings of the Elecraft KX3.
I need a readable copy of the KX3's block-diagram for my ppt.

Making a copy of the block-diagram from the on-line manual and blowing it up to 
fit into a ppt does not work; the print inside the blocks are not at all 
readable.

Googling for alternatives, I see "cqdx.ru" has a sharp copy but I have yet to 
figure a way to copy that into my ppt.
So, hopefully someone somewhere has a sharp copy that they could send to me.

TIA for any help.
73 jerry km3k.kx3#6088.
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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests

[Morgan Bailey]

I can not ever remember operating any radio longer than 5 years or keeping
any radio longer than 10 years. This includes the K3S/P3 that I owned for 5
years. I have learned my lesson about a bird in hand beats 10 in the bush.
I may not have the latest and greatest radio but I have one with a set of
capabilities that I can work with from day one, and day to day, turn on the
radio, twist the knobs and contest mode ready to go. Friends of mine have
Flex radios. They are still waiting for software to be developed. Me, I
went with the FTDX101 and FTDX10. Sure there are bugs in the radios. I know
what they are and work with them. For me, it is not a problem. Being
retired, I can't spend the huge dollar amount when I was working and have
to settle for things that work and are cheaper in price, not cheaper in
quality and underdevelopment.

I loved my K3S, P3, Not so much. Truthfully, I wish Elecraft had repackaged
the K3 in a K4 box and included the nice touch screen as a package...I
would have bought it. Instead the K4 was the evolution. There is no doubt
that the hardware is excellent. Although the K4HD module is not out and I
am wondering how much software engineering it will take to make those
boards work. The KPA500 and KAT500 is the best thing they have going for
them. That combination is excellent. It is nearly bombproof...but do not
run FT8 on it at full power as it will not hold up too well. Other than
that, it is fine. Running RTTY in a contest at 350 watts is fine for the
amp. It stays cool at that power level. The KPA1500, I was not in love
with. It was too loud and too much heat for my liking. I sold it and went
another direction. All of my antennas are resonant for CW and because I run
Tx band pass filters for SO2R, I can not use a tuner, therefore the KPA1500
built in tuner was worthless to me. I was paying for something that I did
not need. I bought 2 Mercury III amplifiers and they run 1KW solid with
high speed contest CW at 37WPM with quiet fans and cool temp 48C.

Would I ever go back to Elecraft? Yes, BUT there would have to be an
overwhelming reason to do so and right now that is not the case.

What would I love to see designed? I think that the world is in great need
of a SO2R interface that is mechanical and does not need a ton of
unreliable virtual comport software to make it run and bombs when windoz
makes an update. One USB interface to make the radio key CW and switch
between transceivers. I would love to have switches rather than software to
make the thing work. Mechanical as possible because once it is set it is
done and software will not be an issue. If Elecraft made an accessory like
that I would buy it at the speed of light. If it required to be run with a
K4, which at this time is a work in progress, I would stay with the MK2R+
which I am currently running.

Not all innovation is good. Sometimes small steps are better than jumping
off a cliff.

My 2 cents, which in today's economy is worthless and still waiting to be
delivered due to the supply chain. LOL!

73, Morgan NJ8M


On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 11:42 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Chuck:
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer 
> wrote:
> >
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
>
> Your point is certainly well taken.  Performance enhancements, new
> features, bug fixes, etc. are all possible given the old adage, “It is
> simply the software.”
>
> That said, exactly how a product line evolves over time can have a huge
> impact on both current customers and perspective customers. One can
> certainly argue that those that jumped in line on the day of product
> announcement for the K4 are ‘early adopters’ who are willing to purchase a
> hardware design and then be relatively patient waiting for the
> software/firmware to evolve to the point that announced features are made
> available.  The tradeoff is that ’needed features’ may lag behind the
> ‘basic features’ and that those that forked out real  for the latest
> generation of hardware may start to get ‘antsy’ about not being able to
> take full advantage of a product’s “potential” as software/firmware evolves
> later.
>
> While I have no idea what Elecraft’s development timeline looks like,
> presumably their development schedule is predicated on relative priorities
> as well as creating the building blocks necessary to enhance the software
> over time.  I also don’t know how large their development team is or
> whether they have other dutie

Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?

[Skip Davis via Elecraft]

Dave you wrote: 
Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories for which 
they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided not to make any more 
after that.
Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not being able 
to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been pointed out by many 
manufacturers there is a worldwide parts procurement problem going on and many 
parts are now unobtainable which it isn’t exclusive to Elecraft.
Elecraft doesn’t have the depth of resources that ICOM, Yaesu, and Kenwood who 
are in multiple markets and can produce maybe 10K plus board units of a product 
at a time. I recently repaired an FT1200 for a friend that had two self-biased 
transistors fail and I ordered the two different parts and increased my order 
to two of each. Well my package didn’t make it here so I went to reorder from 
Yaesu and it turns out I ordered the last ones they had in stock. The lead time 
for one of the parts was projected to be 24 months and I went to the worldwide 
market place and no one had stock with the same lead time, in other words 
unobtainable. The sad part of this is that this circuit is the power on circuit 
and this part is used in all there current rigs that I could find schematics 
for including my two month old FT891 mobile rig. There is no known cross 
reference for this device, I’ve checked with all manufacturers.
Oh by the way after filing a lost mail claim my package finally moved out of 
the Anaheim postal facility and found its way here after 8 weeks so I got my 
less than 30 cents worth of parts and $6 shipping after all and my friend got 
his rig back.

Skip Davis, NC9O 


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[Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted

[Glen Reid]

I am contemplating the purchase of a KX3.  Looking for input from users on
which options I should consider.
Thanks es 73
gr
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted

[Eric Garner]

I have a KX3 fully loaded (KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M) the only one I
would skip if I had to do it over is the KXBC3. The NiMH batteries just
don't have the oomph to justify adding them for me and having the RTC
doesn't really matter to me, your needs might be different. I just use an
external LiFePO4 pack for power.
The Pro Audio Engineering heatsink addon (
https://proaudioeng.com/oos-pae-kx32-ultimate-heatsink-kit-elecraft-kx3/)
is nice if you will be running digimodes without an external amplifier.

Eric KI7LTT

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> which options I should consider.
> Thanks es 73
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted

[Julia Tuttle]

Hey Glen,

Here's my take on KX3 options and such:

KXAT3 is absolutely worth it. It will tune *anything* and is super easy to
use. (Looking at you, Icom, where pushing the button turns the tuner on and
off and you have to hold it to run a tuning cycle.)

KXBC3 is okay. I use the NiMHs more like a backup, for things like moving
the radio around while it's on or temporarily unplugging the power supply
to avoid some RFI. If you actually want to operate off battery seriously,
I'd get an external lithium ion battery from Bioenno.

(Do not trust the RTC in the KXBC3; it has been terribly inaccurate in my
experience, and even a $10 wristwatch would do better. You might get some
use out of it if you make sure to set it every time you sat down to operate
and you really don't want a separate clock.)

I don't have the KX3-2M, but I wouldn't consider it myself based on the low
power output. If you want to do specialized VHF work, and you're willing to
throw an external amp at it, you might want it.

I don't have the KXFL3, but I'm a casual enough operator that I'm not sure
I'd be able to speak to the benefits anyway.

Not options in the same sense, but some other Elecraft accessories:

KXPD3 is great. It doesn't hold a candle to external paddles made by
companies that specialize in them, but it is unbeatable in compactness and
convenience.

PX3 is good. It's integrated with the KX3 well, and if you've used and
liked a panadapter before, this will make you happy. My only nit is that
the hardware integration is cluttered (power to both the KX3 and PX3, ACC1
serial between the two, and RX I/Q signals between the two).

I don't have the KXPA100, but I've heard it's also integrated well and is a
solid amp. Big downside is the price; last I checked, you can spend about
half as much and get the same functionality if you don't need the right
Integration. Nonetheless, if I did want a 100W amp for my KX3, I'd splurge
and get it.

And some third party accessories:

SideKX side panels (and cover) from GEMS Products are, in my opinion,
mandatory. I am much comfier throwing my KX3 in a backpack with them. They
do make the front panel slightly more cramped, but it's worth it to me.

PAE-KX32 heatsink from Pro Audio Engineering is, as Eric said, great if you
want to run the KX3 at full power out and 100% duty cycle for digital
modes. Not necessary, but makes a noticeable improvement, especially if you
point a small fan at it.

PAE-KX33 power supply from PAE works, packs much smaller than a desktop
power supply, and hasn't caused any RFI problems for me. Worth it if you're
going to be travelling to places with mains power but no existing shack
power supply to borrow.

Hope the wall of text helps! Questions welcome if you've got any.

73,

Julie

On Mon, May 2, 2022, 12:48 Eric Garner  wrote:

> I have a KX3 fully loaded (KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M) the only one I
> would skip if I had to do it over is the KXBC3. The NiMH batteries just
> don't have the oomph to justify adding them for me and having the RTC
> doesn't really matter to me, your needs might be different. I just use an
> external LiFePO4 pack for power.
> The Pro Audio Engineering heatsink addon (
> https://proaudioeng.com/oos-pae-kx32-ultimate-heatsink-kit-elecraft-kx3/)
> is nice if you will be running digimodes without an external amplifier.
>
> Eric KI7LTT
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:31 AM Glen Reid  wrote:
>
> > I am contemplating the purchase of a KX3.  Looking for input from users
> on
> > which options I should consider.
> > Thanks es 73
> > gr
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Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?

[David Gilbert]

I still say it was purely a business decision WHEN THEY MADE IT. Yes, 
some parts might be difficult to get now, but when Elecraft offered the 
last chance buys they obviously expected to be able to source the 
necessary parts or they wouldn't have done so.  With Elecraft's 
apparently limited resources, I don't think readily available parts 
would make them change that decision.  They have simply decided to move 
on, and if my K3 fails I will look to buy my next rig from a different 
vendor that at least offers some sort of repair capability from 
certified 3rd parties in case I might be unable to repair it myself.


A modular upgradable rig isn't anything special if you can no longer buy 
modules.


Dave   AB7E


On 5/2/2022 9:01 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:

Dave you wrote:
"Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories for which they 
accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided not to make any more after that."
Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not being able 
to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been pointed out by many 
manufacturers there is a worldwide parts procurement problem going on and many 
parts are now unobtainable which it isn’t exclusive to Elecraft.


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Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?

[jerry]

On 2022-05-02 11:40, David Gilbert wrote:


A modular upgradable rig isn't anything special if you can no longer
buy modules.

*** Might actually be a negative.  Connectors can be unreliable.

  - Jerry KF6VB




Dave   AB7E


On 5/2/2022 9:01 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:

Dave you wrote:
"Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories 
for which they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided not 
to make any more after that."
Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not 
being able to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been 
pointed out by many manufacturers there is a worldwide parts 
procurement problem going on and many parts are now unobtainable which 
it isn’t exclusive to Elecraft.


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Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?

[Rick NK7I]

It was a business decision AFTER 15 years of SUPPORT and UPGRADES that 
no other company, in any interest, offers in any one product (no not 
even cars, they evolve each year, not the same base product).  Elecraft 
felt that they had taken it as far as they could (it has limits in 
design) and that it was time to move on. There is no more economic 
reason to continue a product with limited parts availability, BEFORE 
COVID started.


They offered, as a courtesy, not for increasing revenue, one last batch 
of modules, in hopes of getting the parts needed (and having more boards 
made etc).  Again, no one else does this on a product line 15 years old.


There is nothing 'wrong' with a K3/s, it will still continue to provide 
use for some years.  But the day of the K4 has arrived, it, like this 
thread, is time to move on.  (It's awesome by the way, easily the best 
CW rig I've ever used and the CESSB has made ALL the difference on phone.)


So instead of badgering, whining and belittling, the K3 had a great run, 
let's all move on.  Enjoy the K3 while you can and operate exuberantly!


If/when it dies, part it out so other can enjoy theirs a little longer 
and move on.  Long live the K4!


73,
Rick NK7I

On 5/2/2022 11:40 AM, David Gilbert wrote:


I still say it was purely a business decision WHEN THEY MADE IT. Yes, 
some parts might be difficult to get now, but when Elecraft offered 
the last chance buys they obviously expected to be able to source the 
necessary parts or they wouldn't have done so.  With Elecraft's 
apparently limited resources, I don't think readily available parts 
would make them change that decision.  They have simply decided to 
move on, and if my K3 fails I will look to buy my next rig from a 
different vendor that at least offers some sort of repair capability 
from certified 3rd parties in case I might be unable to repair it myself.


A modular upgradable rig isn't anything special if you can no longer 
buy modules.


Dave   AB7E


On 5/2/2022 9:01 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:

Dave you wrote:
"Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories 
for which they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided 
not to make any more after that."
Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not 
being able to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been 
pointed out by many manufacturers there is a worldwide parts 
procurement problem going on and many parts are now unobtainable 
which it isn’t exclusive to Elecraft.

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[Elecraft] Remote Elecraft tranceivers

[Charles]

I am one of many amateurs who have been using the K3-K3/0 mini-Remote Rig 
setups.  Having moved around the country several times in the past few years I 
have maintained my station on a relative's farm for several years, and find 
that the above equipment works flawlessly on RTTY FSK, CW, and audio modes.   
If the K3 becomes unrepairable, will the K4 attain full remote capability, or 
will I and others have to look elsewhere?

Chuck, N8CL
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Elecraft tranceivers

[David Gilbert]

Elecraft has said that the K4 is supposed to eventually have full remote 
capability from a PC or even notebook computer, which from my point of 
view would be one of the strong selling points of the rig. However, the 
last information I saw on it (I think somebody posted a reply from 
Elecraft here on the reflector) indicated that Elecraft had no timetable 
for writing the software to do so.  Maybe Wayne would have some sort of 
update on that.


73,
Dave   AB7E


On 5/2/2022 12:14 PM, Charles wrote:

I am one of many amateurs who have been using the K3-K3/0 mini-Remote Rig 
setups.  Having moved around the country several times in the past few years I 
have maintained my station on a relative's farm for several years, and find 
that the above equipment works flawlessly on RTTY FSK, CW, and audio modes.   
If the K3 becomes unrepairable, will the K4 attain full remote capability, or 
will I and others have to look elsewhere?

Chuck, N8CL


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2

[Peder Kittelson]

Yes, one can say the K3s is at the end of its development cycle.  Yet it is
at the top of the list in its development!

The real driving force here will be the thousands of K3-K3s transceivers
out there.  Is it about 12,000?  Anyone that wants to make good money
repairing these radios by using parts from another radio will be in
business for a long time.

I wonder if Elecraft is willing to give up this financial stream of repair
money?  That part of the business could financially sustain ongoing
development of the K4.

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>8. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (David Gilbert)
>9. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (David Gilbert)
>   10. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Fred Jensen)
>   11. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Jerry Moore)
>   12. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Nate Bargmann)
>   13. 40 meter 7280 KHz SSB net, May 10 (Steve Hall)
>   14. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Mike Flowers)
>   15. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Bill Weaver)
>   16. K1 accessories (Chris Chapman)
>   17. Replacement cost K3 fully loaded (Mike Fatchett W0MU)
>   18. Re: K1 accessories (Don Wilhelm)
>   19. Elecraft CW Net Report (kevin)
>   20. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Barry Baines)
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> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
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> I can't speak for Elecraft but given the present disruptions in parts,
> supply chains and labor, coupled with inflation, I have to wonder how they
> could possibly give an answer other than "as long as possible."
>
> Something you might consider (maybe you already have) is buy a backup K3S
> to serve as a donor if something goes south with your main one. There are
> loads of them coming on the market now, and if you already have a working
> one, you have more time to hold out for a good price on a second one. This
> is exactly what I did for an Omni D recently. It's great peace of mind for
> when something goes wrong (when, not if :)
>
> 73,
> Andrew NV1B
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> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
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> > supportable in the future?
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 217, Issue 3/K3/K3S Options Last time buy update (Eric Swartz)

[silver60]

Anyone who has ever been responsible for ordering parts, no matter which
industry, knows full well about delays in parts shipments during tough
times. This Pandemic is a once in a century occurance, so it really makes me
shake my head, and frankly get a little pd off when I read comments from
Amateur Radio folks who I regard as very intelligent people, "ragging" on
excellent companies such as Elecraft because they have had to wait for
parts, or new equipment (K4), or repairs.
Stop thinking about yourselves for just one minute and place yourself in
their shoes.  There is no excuse for some of the comments that I have read. 

Thank you Eric for taking the time from your VERY busy schedule to give this
very informative update. I have worked in equipment maintenance for DEC and
Intel Semiconductor before retiring in 2000, I appreciate your professional
update, God Bless you!

Dick / W1REJ

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   2. Re: KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band (Michael Urspringer)
   3. KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band (Reed Fite)
   4. Bringing K3s-P3 out of storage ? (Jerry Moore)
   5. need readable kx3 block-diagram (JEROME SODUS)
   6. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Morgan Bailey)
   7. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Skip Davis)
   8. KX3 Option Advice Wanted (Glen Reid)
   9. Re: KX3 Option Advice Wanted (Eric Garner)
  10. Re: KX3 Option Advice Wanted (Julia Tuttle)
  11. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (David Gilbert)
  12. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (jerry)
  13. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Rick NK7I)
  14. Remote Elecraft tranceivers (Charles)
  15. Re: Remote Elecraft tranceivers (David Gilbert)
  16. Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2 (Peder Kittelson)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 23:46:48 -0700
From: Eric Swartz 
To: EleCraft mail list 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S Options Last time buy update
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Hi Everyone,

I apologize for not posting this update last week. It was quite busy
at Elecraft HQ, plus I had two unexpected visits to the dentist. (Lots of
fun :-)

As you know by now, the logistics and parts production shortage problems
caused by the COVID pandemic have caused huge production problems for us
and the rest of the electronics industry, car manufacturers etc. The delay
getting the K3/K3S Options status out has primarily been due to the fact
that our Elecraft production, purchasing and engineering teams, in addition
to their normal day to day tasks, they have also been heavily focused on
working together to find production quantities of parts (and alternate
parts) for our primary product lines (K4, K4D, KX2, KX3, KPA500, KPA1500,
KXPA100 etc.)  This is a herculean task, with new shortages popping up
every week. Even 'confirmed' scheduled parts ordered 12 months in advance
from major distributors can suddenly not show up on time. So far we have
been successful dodging these issues, finding alternate suppliers, locating
alternate parts, buying larger quantities of hard to get parts for
inventory etc. This has kept our primary products moving out the door in
steadily increasing quantities each month, (Feb. and March were record
months) but it also has slowed us from working on finding and purchasing
all the parts for the last run of K3/K3S options. That said, we are now
focusing more directly on this and have been successful getting many of the
critical K3/K3S option parts in house.   Below is our current Status.

I've initially broken the options into 5 groups with estimated shipping
dates, depending on which options we are currently focused on, parts we
already have in stock, expected parts delivery times, certainty of
acquiring parts, manufacturing time and how close we are to having all
parts for each option in house.  Dates will get firmer in general as we
move forward.

We will contact customers with currently booked orders (and wait list
customers in some cases) as each option gets close to shipping.  (Please
try to resist calling sales for new updates as they are heavily loaded and
will not have new K3/K3sOption information until the next update comes out.)

Group 1:
a.)  K144XV will be rea

[Elecraft] KX3 Option advice wanted.

[Geoffrey Feldman]

The really short answer is "all of them" and even more so if you are buying
it factory assembled and tested.  This is such a versatile rig, you will
find something to do with every option.  I got mine fully loaded except for
the 2M transverter.  The reason I didn't was that I already had an HT at
double the transmit power of that.  The reason I regret it is that it would
be nice to have that capability in the same compact package. Also, CW on 2M
is legal and possible with that board and not the HT.  Didn't think of that
and wish I did.

 

If you are on a budget the other short answer is, what do you want to do
with your limited funds?  OK buy those things not the other ones. You will
regret that choice at least somewhat. When you add it all up, you will see
that once you made the basic plunge of a KX3, why not a bit more? 

 

Another shorter answer is that fully loaded might take longer. OTOH, all
that money you will have spent can collect interest in a certificate of
deposit while you wait. J  

 

You didn't ask but I recommend a light in weight, 20W or less mag loop such
as the alex loop.  You will be amazed how easy it is to carry the KX3 with
that and a 3AH hour bioenno battery  Setup of everything (with PX3 and the
antenna ) is about 5 minutes with a little practice.   The loop needs only
be a few feet above the ground and not counterpoise.  This is really
fantastic.  I have even made contacts with this set up in the loft of my
wood framed townhouse condo.   

 

You will likely want the Side KX to protect your rig while travelling. A
soft bag like the Elecraft large bag is perfectly safe with the SideKX.

 

-73- 

W1GCF

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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests

[Andy via Elecraft]

Morgan, well said
Back in late2019 I had to decide ( 3x K3S/PE . 1x KPA500 still here) K4 or 
something else.
.I am now happy with my Dec 2019 choice FTDX101MP , RF-Kit B26 RF2K-S (QSK) 
See my tech blog on my QRZ comparing K*S to FTDX101MP 

Tnx, Cu, vy 73 de Andy
HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG

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Behalf Of Morgan Bailey
Sent: Montag, 2. Mai 2022 17:39
To: Barry Baines 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Chuck MacCluer 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests

I can not ever remember operating any radio longer than 5 years or keeping any 
radio longer than 10 years. This includes the K3S/P3 that I owned for 5 years. 
I have learned my lesson about a bird in hand beats 10 in the bush.
I may not have the latest and greatest radio but I have one with a set of 
capabilities that I can work with from day one, and day to day, turn on the 
radio, twist the knobs and contest mode ready to go. Friends of mine have Flex 
radios. They are still waiting for software to be developed. Me, I went with 
the FTDX101 and FTDX10. Sure there are bugs in the radios. I know what they are 
and work with them. For me, it is not a problem. Being retired, I can't spend 
the huge dollar amount when I was working and have to settle for things that 
work and are cheaper in price, not cheaper in quality and underdevelopment.

I loved my K3S, P3, Not so much. Truthfully, I wish Elecraft had repackaged the 
K3 in a K4 box and included the nice touch screen as a package...I would have 
bought it. Instead the K4 was the evolution. There is no doubt that the 
hardware is excellent. Although the K4HD module is not out and I am wondering 
how much software engineering it will take to make those boards work. The 
KPA500 and KAT500 is the best thing they have going for them. That combination 
is excellent. It is nearly bombproof...but do not run FT8 on it at full power 
as it will not hold up too well. Other than that, it is fine. Running RTTY in a 
contest at 350 watts is fine for the amp. It stays cool at that power level. 
The KPA1500, I was not in love with. It was too loud and too much heat for my 
liking. I sold it and went another direction. All of my antennas are resonant 
for CW and because I run Tx band pass filters for SO2R, I can not use a tuner, 
therefore the KPA1500 built in tuner was worthless to me. I was paying for 
something that I did not need. I bought 2 Mercury III amplifiers and they run 
1KW solid with high speed contest CW at 37WPM with quiet fans and cool temp 48C.

Would I ever go back to Elecraft? Yes, BUT there would have to be an 
overwhelming reason to do so and right now that is not the case.

What would I love to see designed? I think that the world is in great need of a 
SO2R interface that is mechanical and does not need a ton of unreliable virtual 
comport software to make it run and bombs when windoz makes an update. One USB 
interface to make the radio key CW and switch between transceivers. I would 
love to have switches rather than software to make the thing work. Mechanical 
as possible because once it is set it is done and software will not be an 
issue. If Elecraft made an accessory like that I would buy it at the speed of 
light. If it required to be run with a K4, which at this time is a work in 
progress, I would stay with the MK2R+ which I am currently running.

Not all innovation is good. Sometimes small steps are better than jumping off a 
cliff.

My 2 cents, which in today's economy is worthless and still waiting to be 
delivered due to the supply chain. LOL!

73, Morgan NJ8M


On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 11:42 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft < 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Chuck:
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer 
> wrote:
> >
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present 
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve 
> > over time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like 
> > the K3xs, that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in 
> > this respect unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will 
> > someday possess predistortion and consequently a pristine 
> > transmitted SSB signal. Unlike its predecessors, the K4 has an 
> > unlimited future. That's the nature of a full SDR.
>
> Your point is certainly well taken.  Performance enhancements, new 
> features, bug fixes, etc. are all possible given the old adage, “It is 
> simply the software.”
>
> That said, exactly how a product line evolves over time can have a 
> huge impact on both current customers and perspective customers. One 
> can certainly argue that those that jumped in line on the day of 
> product announcement for the K4 are ‘early adopters’ who are willing 
> to purchase a hardware design and then be relatively patient waiting 
> for the software/firmware to evolve to the point that announced 
> features are made available.  The trade

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted

[Gwen Patton]

I have a KX3 with the KXAT3, KXBC3, KXFL3, and KXPA100. I put the SideKX
side panels on it, and got the SideKX RAM mount adapters for the radio and
the panadapter. I took the batteries out of the KXBC3 after they kept me
from doing a firmware update properly. If you run into a problem with the
update, the solution is to shut down all power to the radio so it'll reset
-- but the internal batteries will keep it from doing this. To properly
shut it all the way down, you have to remove the batteries. Well, I'd
forgotten about that, and was pulling my hair, thinking I'd bricked the
poor thing! When I figured it out, I was so relieved, I had to sit down and
have a relief cry.

It's a wonderful radio, so much so, I'm reluctant to use it in the field,
for fear a dog will pee on it, or a meteor will slam into it, or something
else that'll break it. When I need something similar in function, I'll use
my IQ32, because frankly, I care a lot less if it gets broken or stolen.
Others may not have my concerns, though, and might be able to rationalize
taking the KX3 into the field on a regular basis, perhaps as a YOLO issue.
I love my KX3 far too much to risk it unnecessarily!

I don't use the Elecraft paddles, though. I do have the minimalist kit from
QRP Guys that will screw onto that port, but I don't like using it.
Instead, I built a little box that lets me plug in two mechanical keys and
two paddles, running the mechanical keys (Cootie, bug, straight key, etc.)
through the 2x2 header meant for the Elecraft paddle. I even use the same
thumbscrews to hold the box to the bottom of the rig. It's very convenient,
and if, say, I want to switch my W1SFR Torsion Bar Cootie Paddle from
paddle to cootie mode, I just move the plug on its cable to one of the
mechanical key jacks on the box instead of one of the paddle jacks, and
it's instantly in cootie mode. I keep meaning to write something up about
that box, but I keep forgetting.

If you get a KX3, you'll love it. I bought it and the PX3, then two weeks
later I ordered the KXPA100. I ordered the Powerwerx power supply that was
recommended at the time, and it works beautifully.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:16 PM Julia Tuttle  wrote:

> Hey Glen,
>
> Here's my take on KX3 options and such:
>
> KXAT3 is absolutely worth it. It will tune *anything* and is super easy to
> use. (Looking at you, Icom, where pushing the button turns the tuner on and
> off and you have to hold it to run a tuning cycle.)
>
> KXBC3 is okay. I use the NiMHs more like a backup, for things like moving
> the radio around while it's on or temporarily unplugging the power supply
> to avoid some RFI. If you actually want to operate off battery seriously,
> I'd get an external lithium ion battery from Bioenno.
>
> (Do not trust the RTC in the KXBC3; it has been terribly inaccurate in my
> experience, and even a $10 wristwatch would do better. You might get some
> use out of it if you make sure to set it every time you sat down to operate
> and you really don't want a separate clock.)
>
> I don't have the KX3-2M, but I wouldn't consider it myself based on the low
> power output. If you want to do specialized VHF work, and you're willing to
> throw an external amp at it, you might want it.
>
> I don't have the KXFL3, but I'm a casual enough operator that I'm not sure
> I'd be able to speak to the benefits anyway.
>
> Not options in the same sense, but some other Elecraft accessories:
>
> KXPD3 is great. It doesn't hold a candle to external paddles made by
> companies that specialize in them, but it is unbeatable in compactness and
> convenience.
>
> PX3 is good. It's integrated with the KX3 well, and if you've used and
> liked a panadapter before, this will make you happy. My only nit is that
> the hardware integration is cluttered (power to both the KX3 and PX3, ACC1
> serial between the two, and RX I/Q signals between the two).
>
> I don't have the KXPA100, but I've heard it's also integrated well and is a
> solid amp. Big downside is the price; last I checked, you can spend about
> half as much and get the same functionality if you don't need the right
> Integration. Nonetheless, if I did want a 100W amp for my KX3, I'd splurge
> and get it.
>
> And some third party accessories:
>
> SideKX side panels (and cover) from GEMS Products are, in my opinion,
> mandatory. I am much comfier throwing my KX3 in a backpack with them. They
> do make the front panel slightly more cramped, but it's worth it to me.
>
> PAE-KX32 heatsink from Pro Audio Engineering is, as Eric said, great if you
> want to run the KX3 at full power out and 100% duty cycle for digital
> modes. Not necessary, but makes a noticeable improvement, especially if you
> point a small fan at it.
>
> PAE-KX33 power supply from PAE works, packs much smaller than a desktop
> power supply, and hasn't caused any RFI problems for me. Worth it if you're
> going to be travelling to places with mains power but no existing shack
> p

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted

[Jocelyn Gould]

When I ordered my KX3 in December of 2019, the only things I ordered from
Elecraft were the KX3, the KXAT3, and the KXPKT cable kit and a second
power cable. I added the SideKX end plates and lexan cover and the cover
for the KXPD3 port. I mainly do digital modes when I’m portable so I’ve got
the radio connected to power (Either a 7.5Ah SLAB, I’ve had it forever; or
the battery in the car.)

Bare minimum for me to carry for a POTA activation is the cable bundle to
the Raspberry Pi, the Pi, and power cables. I do log on paper, but nothing
special about that, any paper will do as long as you copy the right info.

I’m working on learning CW and will probably buy a small set of paddles and
hook them to the key jack on the side of the radio. Every other port over
there is in use, might as well use that one too.

Jocelyn.

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 19:19 Gwen Patton  wrote:

> I have a KX3 with the KXAT3, KXBC3, KXFL3, and KXPA100. I put the SideKX
> side panels on it, and got the SideKX RAM mount adapters for the radio and
> the panadapter. I took the batteries out of the KXBC3 after they kept me
> from doing a firmware update properly. If you run into a problem with the
> update, the solution is to shut down all power to the radio so it'll reset
> -- but the internal batteries will keep it from doing this. To properly
> shut it all the way down, you have to remove the batteries. Well, I'd
> forgotten about that, and was pulling my hair, thinking I'd bricked the
> poor thing! When I figured it out, I was so relieved, I had to sit down and
> have a relief cry.
>
> It's a wonderful radio, so much so, I'm reluctant to use it in the field,
> for fear a dog will pee on it, or a meteor will slam into it, or something
> else that'll break it. When I need something similar in function, I'll use
> my IQ32, because frankly, I care a lot less if it gets broken or stolen.
> Others may not have my concerns, though, and might be able to rationalize
> taking the KX3 into the field on a regular basis, perhaps as a YOLO issue.
> I love my KX3 far too much to risk it unnecessarily!
>
> I don't use the Elecraft paddles, though. I do have the minimalist kit from
> QRP Guys that will screw onto that port, but I don't like using it.
> Instead, I built a little box that lets me plug in two mechanical keys and
> two paddles, running the mechanical keys (Cootie, bug, straight key, etc.)
> through the 2x2 header meant for the Elecraft paddle. I even use the same
> thumbscrews to hold the box to the bottom of the rig. It's very convenient,
> and if, say, I want to switch my W1SFR Torsion Bar Cootie Paddle from
> paddle to cootie mode, I just move the plug on its cable to one of the
> mechanical key jacks on the box instead of one of the paddle jacks, and
> it's instantly in cootie mode. I keep meaning to write something up about
> that box, but I keep forgetting.
>
> If you get a KX3, you'll love it. I bought it and the PX3, then two weeks
> later I ordered the KXPA100. I ordered the Powerwerx power supply that was
> recommended at the time, and it works beautifully.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:16 PM Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>
> > Hey Glen,
> >
> > Here's my take on KX3 options and such:
> >
> > KXAT3 is absolutely worth it. It will tune *anything* and is super easy
> to
> > use. (Looking at you, Icom, where pushing the button turns the tuner on
> and
> > off and you have to hold it to run a tuning cycle.)
> >
> > KXBC3 is okay. I use the NiMHs more like a backup, for things like moving
> > the radio around while it's on or temporarily unplugging the power supply
> > to avoid some RFI. If you actually want to operate off battery seriously,
> > I'd get an external lithium ion battery from Bioenno.
> >
> > (Do not trust the RTC in the KXBC3; it has been terribly inaccurate in my
> > experience, and even a $10 wristwatch would do better. You might get some
> > use out of it if you make sure to set it every time you sat down to
> operate
> > and you really don't want a separate clock.)
> >
> > I don't have the KX3-2M, but I wouldn't consider it myself based on the
> low
> > power output. If you want to do specialized VHF work, and you're willing
> to
> > throw an external amp at it, you might want it.
> >
> > I don't have the KXFL3, but I'm a casual enough operator that I'm not
> sure
> > I'd be able to speak to the benefits anyway.
> >
> > Not options in the same sense, but some other Elecraft accessories:
> >
> > KXPD3 is great. It doesn't hold a candle to external paddles made by
> > companies that specialize in them, but it is unbeatable in compactness
> and
> > convenience.
> >
> > PX3 is good. It's integrated with the KX3 well, and if you've used and
> > liked a panadapter before, this will make you happy. My only nit is that
> > the hardware integration is cluttered (power to both the KX3 and PX3,
> ACC1
> > serial between the two, and RX I/Q signals between the two).
> >
> > I don't have the KXPA1

Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3S Options Last time buy update

[Ed Cole]

Thanks for the update, Eric.

I hadn't gotten the the order list, when offered, but recent chatter on 
this list prompted to write to get me added on wait list (which I 
received confirmation from sales).  I've had only one failure, the 
KI03A, which was repaired by Elecraft two years ago.  I decided that I 
should get a backup so ordered a KIO3B.


this is sensible since my twelve year old K3/10 will be used another ten 
years, hopefully.


I have the K3/10, KX3+2m, and KXPA-100.  All good stuff!
I built my own QRO LDMOS amps for HF, 50, 144, 1296 from partial kits.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] need readable kx3 block-diagram

[Rob Campbell]

Jerome,

Does the one in the schematics not work for you? It's a PDF and let's me
zoom way in without pixelation.

https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/KX3SchematicDiagramDec2012.pdf

--
Rob Campbell
KG6HUM


On Mon, May 2, 2022, 8:13 AM JEROME SODUS  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to give, at the August meeting of the South Mountain Radio
> Amateurs club, a presentation on the workings of the Elecraft KX3.
> I need a readable copy of the KX3's block-diagram for my ppt.
>
> Making a copy of the block-diagram from the on-line manual and blowing it
> up to fit into a ppt does not work; the print inside the blocks are not at
> all readable.
>
> Googling for alternatives, I see "cqdx.ru" has a sharp copy but I have
> yet to figure a way to copy that into my ppt.
> So, hopefully someone somewhere has a sharp copy that they could send to
> me.
>
> TIA for any help.
> 73 jerry km3k.kx3#6088.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted

[Lance Collister, W7GJ]

Like Jocelyn, I have mostly used my KX3 for FT8 digital mode operations, and have 
found it works very well on that mode from 6m down through HF. It is ESSENTIAL that 
you get the built in antenna tuner! It is AMAZING and will load up into just about 
anything!


I ordered mine with the built in battery charger but I don't use the built-in 
batteries at all, so I wouldn't bother with that. When I operate SOTA, I take along a 
3 AH LiFePO4 battery from Bioenno Power, and just plug that into the KX3. I can run 
10w on FT8 for hours with that battery!


I think it's really great that with WSJT-X, you can call "CQ SOTA". It is just too 
bad that the Reverse Beacon Network and the SOTAWATCH website does not automatically 
spot FT8 signals calling "CQ SOTA". However, there is always plenty of activity on 
FT8 and you can spot yourself.


GL and VY 73, Lance

On 5/2/2022 23:29:44, Jocelyn Gould wrote:

When I ordered my KX3 in December of 2019, the only things I ordered from
Elecraft were the KX3, the KXAT3, and the KXPKT cable kit and a second
power cable. I added the SideKX end plates and lexan cover and the cover
for the KXPD3 port. I mainly do digital modes when I’m portable so I’ve got
the radio connected to power (Either a 7.5Ah SLAB, I’ve had it forever; or
the battery in the car.)

Bare minimum for me to carry for a POTA activation is the cable bundle to
the Raspberry Pi, the Pi, and power cables. I do log on paper, but nothing
special about that, any paper will do as long as you copy the right info.

I’m working on learning CW and will probably buy a small set of paddles and
hook them to the key jack on the side of the radio. Every other port over
there is in use, might as well use that one too.

Jocelyn.

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 19:19 Gwen Patton  wrote:


I have a KX3 with the KXAT3, KXBC3, KXFL3, and KXPA100. I put the SideKX
side panels on it, and got the SideKX RAM mount adapters for the radio and
the panadapter. I took the batteries out of the KXBC3 after they kept me
from doing a firmware update properly. If you run into a problem with the
update, the solution is to shut down all power to the radio so it'll reset
-- but the internal batteries will keep it from doing this. To properly
shut it all the way down, you have to remove the batteries. Well, I'd
forgotten about that, and was pulling my hair, thinking I'd bricked the
poor thing! When I figured it out, I was so relieved, I had to sit down and
have a relief cry.

It's a wonderful radio, so much so, I'm reluctant to use it in the field,
for fear a dog will pee on it, or a meteor will slam into it, or something
else that'll break it. When I need something similar in function, I'll use
my IQ32, because frankly, I care a lot less if it gets broken or stolen.
Others may not have my concerns, though, and might be able to rationalize
taking the KX3 into the field on a regular basis, perhaps as a YOLO issue.
I love my KX3 far too much to risk it unnecessarily!

I don't use the Elecraft paddles, though. I do have the minimalist kit from
QRP Guys that will screw onto that port, but I don't like using it.
Instead, I built a little box that lets me plug in two mechanical keys and
two paddles, running the mechanical keys (Cootie, bug, straight key, etc.)
through the 2x2 header meant for the Elecraft paddle. I even use the same
thumbscrews to hold the box to the bottom of the rig. It's very convenient,
and if, say, I want to switch my W1SFR Torsion Bar Cootie Paddle from
paddle to cootie mode, I just move the plug on its cable to one of the
mechanical key jacks on the box instead of one of the paddle jacks, and
it's instantly in cootie mode. I keep meaning to write something up about
that box, but I keep forgetting.

If you get a KX3, you'll love it. I bought it and the PX3, then two weeks
later I ordered the KXPA100. I ordered the Powerwerx power supply that was
recommended at the time, and it works beautifully.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:16 PM Julia Tuttle  wrote:


Hey Glen,

Here's my take on KX3 options and such:

KXAT3 is absolutely worth it. It will tune *anything* and is super easy

to

use. (Looking at you, Icom, where pushing the button turns the tuner on

and

off and you have to hold it to run a tuning cycle.)

KXBC3 is okay. I use the NiMHs more like a backup, for things like moving
the radio around while it's on or temporarily unplugging the power supply
to avoid some RFI. If you actually want to operate off battery seriously,
I'd get an external lithium ion battery from Bioenno.

(Do not trust the RTC in the KXBC3; it has been terribly inaccurate in my
experience, and even a $10 wristwatch would do better. You might get some
use out of it if you make sure to set it every time you sat down to

operate

and you really don't want a separate clock.)

I don't have the KX3-2M, but I wouldn't consider it myself based on the

low

power output. If you want to do specialized VHF work, and you're willing

to

throw an e