Re: [Elecraft] BFO resets itself after cal fil (K2)

2012-04-30 Thread Erik Linder
Thank you for the help.
Despite owning the K2 since 2005 its not until now I start to understand
it. :$ :-)

Thanks again and best 73 de SM0RVV
./Erik
Den 30 apr 2012 13:04 skrev "Don Wilhelm" :

> Erik,
>
> Yes, that is why you cannot use a single signal (tone) when aligning the
> filters.
> The use of a broadband noise source and an audio spectrum analyzer
> application running on the computer soundcard will make K2 filter setup
> easy and uncomplicated.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/30/2012 2:49 AM, Erik Linder wrote:
>
>> Aha! Then I did not fully understand the inner workings of the K2.
>> I just looked att the schematics and noticed the BFO and the mixer. Out of
>> that I made the conclution that the BFO value must change the pitch.
>>
>> So what you are saying is:
>> During filter setup, it is normal for the pitch to change but when I press
>> XFIL the save-routine inside the K2 is compensating for the change and
>> restores the pitch to its original position?
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> Which in practice means that I cannot adjust the pitch manually (like on
>> an
>> old radio), it's up to the K2 routine to set the pitch.
>>
>> ./Erik
>>
>> 2012/4/29 Don Wilhelm
>>
>>  Erik,
>>>
>>> The K2 will preserve the pitch when the BFO is changed.  Of course, if
>>> you move the BFO enough, the signal will no longer be inside the
>>> passband.
>>>
>>> You must move the VFO to change the pitch, just changing the BFO will
>>> not do it.  The filter passband edges will change, but the pitch of a
>>> tuned signal will not.   That is why it is important to use a broadband
>>> noise generator (often band noise will do) and some type of audio
>>> spectrum analyzer (I use Spectrogram) to view the shape of the passband
>>> - you can see when it is centered at your target pitch.  Use no signals
>>> in the passband when changing the filters, having signals present will
>>> only confuse your view of the passband shape and positioning.
>>>
>>> If you need Spectrogram, you can find it on my website www.w3fpr.com -
>>> look near the bottom of the opening page.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/29/2012 4:40 PM, Erik Linder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don, tnx for the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the difference was small. Tnx for the info about 20 Hz, then I now
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> limitation of the construction.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I can use the FL1 (open) as both TX and RX (well of course TX is
>>>>
>>> alway
>>>
>>>> using FL1). But if I want something more narrow I like to use FL2 - FL4.
>>>> And now I know that I can get in 20 or so Hz if I work hard enough. :-)
>>>>
>>>> But the main problem here is that I cannot adjust my filters at all
>>>> right
>>>> now. :-(
>>>> I can move the BFO (change the pitch) as long as I am in cal fil but as
>>>> soon as I save the filter and return to listen the pitch has changed to
>>>> "default". The BFO-value _has_ changed, it _has_ been saved. (I see the
>>>> display showing BFO freq for a short time).
>>>> But still - the pitch is where it was before I changed the BFO-value.
>>>>
>>>> And I have changed it much - like 50 to 100 units. USB, LSB, CW - the
>>>>
>>> mode
>>>
>>>> does no difference.
>>>>
>>>> So:
>>>> Received pitch of the signal transmitted from my 2:nd TRX: 1500 Hz
>>>> The BFO value is (lets say) 128
>>>> I change the BFO value too 100
>>>> I hear (and see on the waterfall) that the pitch is changing.
>>>> I press XFIL (to save)
>>>> Display shows BFO freq for a short time.
>>>> I press XFIL a couple of times to "get round" to FL1 again.
>>>> The pitch has now jumped back to 1500
>>>> The BFO-value is at it's saved 100
>>>>
>>>> I can now lower the BFO value once more and when I come around the pitch
>>>> will be 1500 and the BFO is saved with the new value.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it suppose to work like:
>>>> Change the BFO to get the correct pitch
>>>> Save
>>>> Return to the filter and the pitch is where you programmed it to be.
>>>>
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>>&

Re: [Elecraft] BFO resets itself after cal fil (K2)

2012-04-29 Thread Erik Linder
Aha! Then I did not fully understand the inner workings of the K2.
I just looked att the schematics and noticed the BFO and the mixer. Out of
that I made the conclution that the BFO value must change the pitch.

So what you are saying is:
During filter setup, it is normal for the pitch to change but when I press
XFIL the save-routine inside the K2 is compensating for the change and
restores the pitch to its original position?
Is that correct?

Which in practice means that I cannot adjust the pitch manually (like on an
old radio), it's up to the K2 routine to set the pitch.

./Erik

2012/4/29 Don Wilhelm 

> Erik,
>
> The K2 will preserve the pitch when the BFO is changed.  Of course, if
> you move the BFO enough, the signal will no longer be inside the passband.
>
> You must move the VFO to change the pitch, just changing the BFO will
> not do it.  The filter passband edges will change, but the pitch of a
> tuned signal will not.   That is why it is important to use a broadband
> noise generator (often band noise will do) and some type of audio
> spectrum analyzer (I use Spectrogram) to view the shape of the passband
> - you can see when it is centered at your target pitch.  Use no signals
> in the passband when changing the filters, having signals present will
> only confuse your view of the passband shape and positioning.
>
> If you need Spectrogram, you can find it on my website www.w3fpr.com -
> look near the bottom of the opening page.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 4/29/2012 4:40 PM, Erik Linder wrote:
> > Don, tnx for the answer.
> >
> > Yes, the difference was small. Tnx for the info about 20 Hz, then I now
> the
> > limitation of the construction.
> >
> > Yes I can use the FL1 (open) as both TX and RX (well of course TX is
> alway
> > using FL1). But if I want something more narrow I like to use FL2 - FL4.
> > And now I know that I can get in 20 or so Hz if I work hard enough. :-)
> >
> > But the main problem here is that I cannot adjust my filters at all right
> > now. :-(
> > I can move the BFO (change the pitch) as long as I am in cal fil but as
> > soon as I save the filter and return to listen the pitch has changed to
> > "default". The BFO-value _has_ changed, it _has_ been saved. (I see the
> > display showing BFO freq for a short time).
> > But still - the pitch is where it was before I changed the BFO-value.
> >
> > And I have changed it much - like 50 to 100 units. USB, LSB, CW - the
> mode
> > does no difference.
> >
> > So:
> > Received pitch of the signal transmitted from my 2:nd TRX: 1500 Hz
> > The BFO value is (lets say) 128
> > I change the BFO value too 100
> > I hear (and see on the waterfall) that the pitch is changing.
> > I press XFIL (to save)
> > Display shows BFO freq for a short time.
> > I press XFIL a couple of times to "get round" to FL1 again.
> > The pitch has now jumped back to 1500
> > The BFO-value is at it's saved 100
> >
> > I can now lower the BFO value once more and when I come around the pitch
> > will be 1500 and the BFO is saved with the new value.
> >
> > Isn't it suppose to work like:
> > Change the BFO to get the correct pitch
> > Save
> > Return to the filter and the pitch is where you programmed it to be.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] BFO resets itself after cal fil (K2)

2012-04-29 Thread Erik Linder
Don, tnx for the answer.

Yes, the difference was small. Tnx for the info about 20 Hz, then I now the
limitation of the construction.

Yes I can use the FL1 (open) as both TX and RX (well of course TX is alway
using FL1). But if I want something more narrow I like to use FL2 - FL4.
And now I know that I can get in 20 or so Hz if I work hard enough. :-)

But the main problem here is that I cannot adjust my filters at all right
now. :-(
I can move the BFO (change the pitch) as long as I am in cal fil but as
soon as I save the filter and return to listen the pitch has changed to
"default". The BFO-value _has_ changed, it _has_ been saved. (I see the
display showing BFO freq for a short time).
But still - the pitch is where it was before I changed the BFO-value.

And I have changed it much - like 50 to 100 units. USB, LSB, CW - the mode
does no difference.

So:
Received pitch of the signal transmitted from my 2:nd TRX: 1500 Hz
The BFO value is (lets say) 128
I change the BFO value too 100
I hear (and see on the waterfall) that the pitch is changing.
I press XFIL (to save)
Display shows BFO freq for a short time.
I press XFIL a couple of times to "get round" to FL1 again.
The pitch has now jumped back to 1500
The BFO-value is at it's saved 100

I can now lower the BFO value once more and when I come around the pitch
will be 1500 and the BFO is saved with the new value.

Isn't it suppose to work like:
Change the BFO to get the correct pitch
Save
Return to the filter and the pitch is where you programmed it to be.

73 de SM0RVV
./Erik

2012/4/29 Don Wilhelm 

> Erik,
>
> Do you see the BFO frequency flashed on the display when you exit?  If so,
> you are verifying that the value is being saved.
>
> Fact, the DAC resolution in the K2 is about 20 Hz.  If the difference is
> less than 20 Hz, it my be a situation you have to live with - you have
> reached the limit.
>
> Are you using SSB or the RTTY filter set?  If so, there should be no
> difference in the VFO between RX and TX.  If you are listening with a
> filter other than FL1, then yes the BFO will be switched to FL1 for TX.  If
> your goal is no difference between TX and RX, then you will have to RX with
> FL1
>
> If you use an RX filter different than FL1, you will have to unlock TX and
> RX in your software to keep from "walking the band".  Most packages allow
> that - I don't know about the NUE-PSK, but II would think that is a
> required condition.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 4/29/2012 3:28 PM, Erik Linder wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I decided to recalibrate the filters in my K2 because I noticed a small
>> RX-TX frequency difference which made it hard to use my NUE-PSK.
>>
>> But I didn't get the calibration working...
>>
>> I enter filter calibration menu. I select FL1 in open-mode. I adjust (in
>> RX) the BFO and watch the audio move on the waterfall (change pitch). All
>> seems 100% OK.
>> Then I press XFIL to save the value. (the freq-probe is in TP2 - duoble
>> checked).
>> When I then return to FL1 the pitch is back where it was from the start.
>>
>> I first thaught that the value did not get saved, but after re-checking
>> the
>> BFO-D/A value it has been saved.
>> I then tried to measure U8 pin 16 to see if the control voltage is
>> changing
>> - yes it is.
>> The voltage changes when I change the BFO-D/A value in cal filter. The
>> value I choose will be saved and I can measure the same voltage when I
>> return to FL1.
>>
>> But the BFO keeps resetting itself no matter what value I choose in cal
>> filter. The most strange thing is that the BFO changes as long as I am in
>> cal filter menu, it resets itself when I change filter (saving the value)
>>
>> I had the SSB option in, but in the troubleshooting I removed it. The
>> behavior is still the same with or without the SSB option plugged in.
>>
>> So... Can anyone give me a clue what's going on here?
>>
>> Tnx in advance and 73 de SM0RVV
>> ./Erik
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[Elecraft] BFO resets itself after cal fil (K2)

2012-04-29 Thread Erik Linder
Hi all,

I decided to recalibrate the filters in my K2 because I noticed a small
RX-TX frequency difference which made it hard to use my NUE-PSK.

But I didn't get the calibration working...

I enter filter calibration menu. I select FL1 in open-mode. I adjust (in
RX) the BFO and watch the audio move on the waterfall (change pitch). All
seems 100% OK.
Then I press XFIL to save the value. (the freq-probe is in TP2 - duoble
checked).
When I then return to FL1 the pitch is back where it was from the start.

I first thaught that the value did not get saved, but after re-checking the
BFO-D/A value it has been saved.
I then tried to measure U8 pin 16 to see if the control voltage is changing
- yes it is.
The voltage changes when I change the BFO-D/A value in cal filter. The
value I choose will be saved and I can measure the same voltage when I
return to FL1.

But the BFO keeps resetting itself no matter what value I choose in cal
filter. The most strange thing is that the BFO changes as long as I am in
cal filter menu, it resets itself when I change filter (saving the value)

I had the SSB option in, but in the troubleshooting I removed it. The
behavior is still the same with or without the SSB option plugged in.

So... Can anyone give me a clue what's going on here?

Tnx in advance and 73 de SM0RVV
./Erik
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[Elecraft] FS: K1

2006-05-13 Thread Erik Linder
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Hi group!

I want to sell my K1-2, 80 + 20 m.
It's proffessionally built, I have worked many years with electronics
mounting for the industry. I have also got an "degree" from a solder-course.

I built the kit in spring 2005, and after that I have logged 5 QSO's
with it. I'm almost only interested in building things, not using
them... ;-)

The rig has never been used in the field, it's mint condtition. It looks
 just as fine as when I finished it.
Here you can find pictures from when I built it:
http://www.familjenlinder.se/K1/index.html

I will now sell the rig to afford to get some options to my second rig -
a K2.
(As I said, building them is what i like)

I paid 3500 Swedish Krona for the K1-kit incl swedish customs and VAT.
Send a bid off-list to my e-mail address.

Best 72 & 73 de SM0RVV
K1 #1978
K2 #4904
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[Elecraft] OT: Gmail help wanted.

2005-12-09 Thread Erik Linder
Hi all,

This is way OT, please forgive me.

I have a simple question. Can any of you living in USA help me to
register an Gmail account on Google?

To register you have to have an cellphone in USA. I think they will send
a password as a text message.

If you want to help, please contact me off-list.

Best 72/73 de SM0RVV ./Erik

K1 #1978
K2 #4904 (Still havn't finished my KIO...)
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Gmail help wanted.

2005-12-09 Thread Erik Linder
Tnx a lot guys!
I have got two invitations from gmail from two of you.

I did not know they had that invitation-thing, really smart people at
Google!

73 de SM0RVV ./Erik

Erik Linder wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is way OT, please forgive me.
> 
> I have a simple question. Can any of you living in USA help me to
> register an Gmail account on Google?
> 
> To register you have to have an cellphone in USA. I think they will send
> a password as a text message.
> 
> If you want to help, please contact me off-list.
> 
> Best 72/73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
> 
> K1 #1978
> K2 #4904 (Still havn't finished my KIO...)
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[Elecraft] External manual tuner?

2005-08-07 Thread Erik Linder

Hi,

My K2 #4904 is now on air!
SSB and RS232 option is still in their bags, but the basic K2 is up and 
running! (Yes, I'm pretty proud of myself ;-)


I tried to use my external manual tuner with it.

But that was really difficult!
As soon as I rotated a tuning-knob the K2 adjusted it's power.
I found it impossible to tune the antenna :-(

Is this the way it should be, or am I missing something?

Is my tuner useless with K2 or is there a workaround to the 
autopower-level "problem"


My tuner is an old Kenwood AT-130.
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3122

73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
K1 #1978
K2 #4904

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 tuning rate... is 150 kHz too wide?

2005-08-04 Thread Erik Linder

Peter Wang wrote:

Does anyone out there use 150 kHz and LIKE it? Did anyone out there
try 150 kHz and hate it and switch to 80 kHz?


I first built it with 150 kHz, but changed to 80 after a few weeks.
The VFO was not exact enough for my taste.
And besides that, I did not use the upper part of the 150 kHz span anyway.

I vote for 80, but your milage may vary...

73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
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K2 #4904 (just the speaker left to do, yipeee!)
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[Elecraft] K2: calibration again?

2005-08-03 Thread Erik Linder

Hi again,

This is not an question about my rig, it's more like a wondering...

I have made two automatic calibrations on my K2. The first one early in 
the building-process and the second was the VCO linerization.


Are these processes "run once" and not possible to run again?
Or is there a way to make a factory reset of all parameters?

I don't know when I want to run them again, but I very much like to know 
how things work.


Tnx
SM0RVV ./Erik
K1 #1978
K2 #4904 (soon on air)

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Re: [Elecraft] K2, resistance check Q7

2005-08-03 Thread Erik Linder

My K2 survived the smoke test.
It's not aligned yet, but I can hear and transmit on all bands.

Stupid DMM, I lost some good building hours there!

./Erik

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> I'll promise to post a message when the smoke has dissappeared efter 
I have connected the power. ;-)

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Re: [Elecraft] K2, resistance check Q7

2005-08-02 Thread Erik Linder

A combination of guessing and logical thinking.

In auto I get "wrong" reading.
In manual <10 k I get 2.7 k.
In manual < 1 M I get 3 k

So it's 2 against 1...

And the two values is what to expect, the odd value is - odd...

I'll promise to post a message when the smoke has dissappeared efter I 
have connected the power. ;-)


./Erik

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How do you know which reading to believe?
 
K3UJ


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Re: [Elecraft] K2, resistance check Q7

2005-08-02 Thread Erik Linder

Hi again and welcome to the series "Get to know your DMM".
This week well learn how to use the setting "Auto" and "Manual".
:-)

I found out just now that my DMM shows different readings in "auto" and 
in "Manual".
If I set the DMM to Manual and kohm i get the correct reading of 2.7 
kohm. But if I set it at auto I get 760 ohm...


It must be different values of voltage the DMM uses to measure in auto 
and manual.


OK, case closed.
I will proceed with alignement in step III

Sorry for the noice on the list

SM0RVV ./Erik

Erik Linder wrote:

Hi gang,

My reading for Q7 base is too low, but not shorted.
I get 760 ohm...
But I should get 2.5 to 3 k ohm.

I have worked my way through the schematics.
At R62 I get zero one one side and 870 on the other.
At R60 I get 870 and 760.
The low resistance must be somwhere between R60 and Q7 base.

I have removed all passive components that connects to ground: C137, 
C129, C130, C138.


No change.

I don't think any of the T's are shorted, cos I dont see zero ohms.

Please give me some hints if you can, on how I can proceed.

Tnx
SM0RVV ./Erik
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K2 #4904 (at stage III)
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[Elecraft] K2, resistance check Q7

2005-08-02 Thread Erik Linder

Hi gang,

My reading for Q7 base is too low, but not shorted.
I get 760 ohm...
But I should get 2.5 to 3 k ohm.

I have worked my way through the schematics.
At R62 I get zero one one side and 870 on the other.
At R60 I get 870 and 760.
The low resistance must be somwhere between R60 and Q7 base.

I have removed all passive components that connects to ground: C137, 
C129, C130, C138.


No change.

I don't think any of the T's are shorted, cos I dont see zero ohms.

Please give me some hints if you can, on how I can proceed.

Tnx
SM0RVV ./Erik
K1 #1978
K2 #4904 (at stage III)
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[Elecraft] Outbacker vs. buddipole etc.

2005-06-30 Thread Erik Linder

Hi all,

A bit off topic, apologize for that.

I want to have the best performance per cost antenna for my K1 and K2.

* The antenna must be portable, but I don't need it to be a mobile 
antenna. (I dont't drive and work QSO's at the same time)
* It must cover 80 - 10 m, but it's not necessary to cover all band att 
the same time.
* I live in an area with very small gardens, so it would be nice if the 
antenna also work as a home antenna.


I have looked at oubacker, buddipole, hustler and texas bugcatcher.
Do you have any other suggestions?
Which gets me the best performance for money?

Best 73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
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Re: [Elecraft] K1-2040

2005-06-12 Thread Erik Linder

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strange, I am at the same point (SN 2033) and have the same question.   The 
outline on the circuit board for C13 and C20 does not have a flat side I can  
see.  Any one have the top cover of the K1 off ?


Look at Appendix F in the manual.
In my manual the flat side of C13 and C20 is pointing to the back edge 
of the board.


But to be on the safe side, look in your own manuals.

73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
K1 #1978
K2 #4904
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Re: [Elecraft] I Love Toroids!

2005-06-10 Thread Erik Linder

Steven Pituch wrote:
I know most of you don't feel this way, but I have finished installing 
the large toroids for the KAT100 and the board is so pretty I want to 
hang it on a wall as a picture.


I agree!
I hate winding those things, but I love to veiw the result. It makes me 
proud of myself.


73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
K1 #1978
K2 #4904 halfway...
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Palm Logger is Working!

2005-06-08 Thread Erik Linder

Edward R. Breneiser wrote:

I finally have my Palm 105 controlling my Elecraft K2! Yes I now can
hold the tiny PDA in my hand and change bands, frequencies, and send
programmed massages such as CQ, Mycall, Exchange, His Call, TU and ?. I
can also log and dupe check with the PDA at the same time. Aren't
machines wonderful? I plan to do a write-up on my experience with this
project.


Do you have any URL's to the software you using?

73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 4914 Status

2005-06-02 Thread Erik Linder

Jim W7RY wrote:

Well 4914 is well under way!

 I have completed step 1 and all functions checked out 100%.
I have completed the 3 paragraphs of resistors and now moving onto the 
resistor packs. Just about ready to start the construction of the new 
stabilizer circuit board.


Jim,

My #4904 is in the exact same level of rediness as yours. :-)
I only having some troble understanding how I am going to success with 
so much empty holes on the RF-board. It feels nearly impossible that it 
will work...
Anyway, now I'm going to take a few deep breaths and continue one piece 
at the time. Duoble-check everything and it hopefully goes well...


73 de SM0RVV ./Erik
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[Elecraft] Masking tape K2?

2005-05-25 Thread Erik Linder

Hi, I'm building K2 #4904 as a follow-up to my K1.

My manual says (at page 29) "Some holes in the front panel was masked..."

I have no mask-tape over the holes, and there has never been any tape 
over the holes. It's painted grey on both sides.


What is the purpose of masking?
1) Just a manufacturing thing?
2) To get un-painted metal for better grounding of the box?

How do I move on from here?

Best 73 de SM0RVV
K1 #1978
K2 #4904 (1/4-built)
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[Elecraft] To mod or not to mod, thats the question

2005-04-29 Thread Erik Linder

Hi all,

I'm going to order a K2 in the nearest days.
I'm alreday built a K1, #1978. (If you start to build, it's hard to 
stop... :-)


To the question:
I see many articles on the Net about different modifications to the K2 rig.
How is this reflecting "the real wold"?

Are there many of you which have modified rigs?
Or...
Are the majority using standard K2 exactly built from elecraft's manual?

The main question I'd like answered for myself before I start building 
is if I must have in mind some of the modifications during build-time.


Best 73's from SM0RVV ./Erik
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