RE: [Elecraft] Just Wonderin'...

2007-10-21 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Andy

Are you happier now that you have seen some new 3CX... and 8877 with nice
eimac bases and funnels in the flesh???

When will we see that amplifier of yours built ??

hihi

John



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 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:20 PM
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 Subject: [Elecraft] Just Wonderin'...
 
 Guy's...
 
 Santa came REAL early this year.. today I took delivery of 
 the ARRL Handbook
 2008 and the new version of the
 Low Power Communications book by Rich Arnald.. It's gonna be 
 a good one..!
 
 Flickin' through the new Handbook I came across the article 
 again for the
 3CX1500D7 RF Linear Amplifer... the
 Very same one that was featured on the front cover of last 
 years handbook with the write up inside also..
 
 It got me thinkin...
 
 Exactly HOW MUCH, would the tube or tubes for one of these 
 beauties cost in todays money..??  Also the base for the 
 Tube, HOW MUCH would that be..??
 
 WHERE would one purchase such things.. (don't see any 
 reference in the article to places that may stock these)..
 
 Indeed if the parts are expensive at todays prices ... is 
 there an older
 alternative that one could use in such
 A homebrew project..??
 
 Enquiring Minds Are REALLY INTERESTED in learnin..'
 
 
 72's 73's
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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 GM0NWI 
 
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RE: [Elecraft] Just Wonderin'...

2007-10-21 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Howson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:12 AM
 To: John A. Ross [Ecraft]
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Wonderin'...
 
 John
 
 Well he is not stuck for a box to put it in !! 
 

Peter

Yip cool chassis.

He would only be stuck for something to drive it with when finished (without
an ICOM badge on it anyway ;-) )

Apologies to all for the OT humour

BR, John


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 From: John A. Ross [Ecraft] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:53 PM
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Just Wonderin'...
 
 
  Andy
  
  Are you happier now that you have seen some new 3CX... and 
 8877 with nice
  eimac bases and funnels in the flesh???
  
  When will we see that amplifier of yours built ??
  
  hihi
  
  John
  
  
  
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Andy - GM0NWI
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:20 PM
  To: 'Elecraft Discussion List'
  Subject: [Elecraft] Just Wonderin'...
  
  Guy's...
  
  Santa came REAL early this year.. today I took delivery of 
  the ARRL Handbook
  2008 and the new version of the
  Low Power Communications book by Rich Arnald.. It's gonna be 
  a good one..!
  
  Flickin' through the new Handbook I came across the article 
  again for the
  3CX1500D7 RF Linear Amplifer... the
  Very same one that was featured on the front cover of last 
  years handbook with the write up inside also..
  
  It got me thinkin...
  
  Exactly HOW MUCH, would the tube or tubes for one of these 
  beauties cost in todays money..??  Also the base for the 
  Tube, HOW MUCH would that be..??
  
  WHERE would one purchase such things.. (don't see any 
  reference in the article to places that may stock these)..
  
  Indeed if the parts are expensive at todays prices ... is 
  there an older
  alternative that one could use in such
  A homebrew project..??
  
  Enquiring Minds Are REALLY INTERESTED in learnin..'
  
  
  72's 73's
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Andy
  GM0NWI 
  
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  Loaded QRO S/n 05469
  
  
  
  
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RE: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-10 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
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 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:15 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow
 
 Am I the only one who finds this entire topic cheeky and tiresome?

Nope

BR, John

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[Elecraft] XV-144

2006-11-04 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Hi all.

I have a XV-144 here which was not built by me. But all parts seem to be in
order.

DIP switches are OK. No issue on power up. LO voltage level seems OK.
Problem is adjusting R13, even at full CCW rotation I cannot get the voltage
below 284mV. I had a look around and it seems the parts are in the right
places.

On my K2 when it powers up I hear some relay clicks, should I hear the same
on the XV-144? A lot of the paths will depend on the relay status and I hear
nothing at start-up from the XV-144. So I am wondering if it has a control
issue first of all.

Any help appreciated

John

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RE: [Elecraft] XV144

2006-10-22 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Don

Thanks for the speedy reply. The manual is Rev C April 2006. 

It is on page 25 and is the second step on the right hand column.

###
Skip this step if you are aligning an XV432. On an XV50, XV144 or
XV222, verify that the tuning slugs have been removed from the
following inductors. If not, remove the cores and discard them. These
slugs will not be used:
L1
L10
L17
L11
###

I cannot see a Rev C manual for download from the web site and non of the
errata shows this. 

Only things I can see for download are

*XV Transverter (50, 144, 222, 432) Owner's Manual Rev B. (March, 2006)
*XV Transverter Owner's Manual Errata Rev B-3 (April 24, 2006)
*Assembly Manual for XV50, XV144 and XV222 Rev B. (March 2006)  
*Assembly Manual Errata for XV50, XV144, XV22 ( Rev B-1 Aug, 7, 2006)  
*Assembly Manual for XV432 Rev C  ( April 2006)

Perhaps someone put a Rev C manual cover on a Rev B manual as my page 25
looks exactly like the one from the Rev b March 2006 one which I can see on
the web site?

Any other errata that should be known about?

All best

John



 

 -Original Message-
 From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:23 AM
 To: John A. Ross [Ecraft]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] XV144
 
 John,
 
 I have looked through 3 versions of the transverter manuals 
 (2 Field test revisions and Rev C) that I have here on my 
 computer and none of them have any instruction that indicates 
 the L17 core should be removed.
 
 Double check your manual and if you have such an instruction, 
 please provide us the manual revision level and the page.
 
 I vaguely recall something about a typo of this sort a long 
 time ago, so if you have an older manual than Rev C, you 
 should download the latest version from the Elecraft website.
 
 In any case, L17 should be preset for 2 turns down from the 
 top of the can, and that means - do not remove the slug!
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 
  -Original Message-
 
  Can someone clarify a point for me?
 
  In the XV144 manual Initial setup Part 1 Stage 2 it states 
 removal of 
  L17 for all except XV432.
 
  Stage 3 has L17 preset to 2 turns down from the top of the inductor 
  can for a XV144
 
  Should it be left as per stage 2 or fitted as per stage 3?
 
  Any info appreciated
 
  All best
 
  John
 
 
 

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[Elecraft] XV144

2006-10-21 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Hi

Can someone clarify a point for me?

In the XV144 manual Initial setup Part 1 Stage 2 it states removal of L17
for all except XV432. 

Stage 3 has L17 preset to 2 turns down from the top of the inductor can for
a XV144

Should it be left as per stage 2 or fitted as per stage 3?

Any info appreciated

All best

John

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[Elecraft] ROHS COMPLIANT? Do you really care?

2006-09-04 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Hi all

I think the RoHS issue has been flogged as much as it can be.

I also think Elecrafts position is being confused a bit (as I understand it
anyway).

As far as I can see there is no claim that the kits are RoHS compliant. 

This blossomed from the price increase thread where I believe Elecraft
mentioned they were buying RoHS compliant parts which are costing more but
they had to do it as they were mainstream available and leaded parts were
becoming harder to find.

There is no coc, no documentation and no audit trail claiming RoHS
compliance, so regardless of the dialogue here, due diligence has not been
observed at any level therfor the importer will be liable for non
conformance (the EU importer, NOT Elecraft) if applicable.

Not sure what Elecraft will do for PCB finish but I would guess rather than
switch to ENIG or similar the plating will still be Sn/Pb HASL as the
preferred solder alloy is still going to contain lead. So forget the parts. 

The SSB adapter board I have here with DC 23/06 says RoHS on it but the
plating looks like HASL SnPb to me (not compliant) and if it is just a pure
tin finish (Pb Free) then it makes no sense for Elecraft to say Pb Free
solders void warranty as SAC305 alloys in Kester or Multicore will flow just
as easy when fluxed. 
For rework some drill hole apertures will need to be enlarged and if the PCB
material is sub standard you risk lifting some lands due to the slightly
higher temperatures involved when applying the iron or desoldering tool.

As long as a single component inside the box is not compliant (remember that
also includes any plastics and plated metals) then forget about it. Assemble
with SnPb solder, forget about it. All roads to non compliance.

The only issue not fully investigated is if the kits actually have to
conform, as a finished product placed on the EU market commercially, yes
they do, regardless of country of origin. EU manufacturers are responsible
for the audit trail and compliance measures (usually wrapped up inside a
formal QC system) but anyone importing parts or products into the EU (parts)
to be placed on the market not only take responsibility for their own
actions, but those of the external EU manufacturer also.

Regulations vary country to country, they are not uniform across the EU as
their enforcement methods are different, but the term due diligence is used
quite a bit and to demonstrate its execution is not so easy, is the part
compliant?, yes, how do you know?, the suppliers says so, can the supplier
be trusted? Does the supplier have lot traceability back to the factory? How
was the materials tested? Which method was used...are there certified lab
results.. You would hate to see the flowchart / decision tree out of our QC
system at work We also had to drop any suppliers unable to meet the
audit trail requirements as well as scrap / remove from site all non
compliant inventory as contamination of complaint stock was also a risk.
That's risk assessment at its best.

It is really a big can of worms to open. It kind of takes the fun out of the
whole building deal I can tell you! 

A few hours of working the front panel of the K2 and using the mic helps put
the fun back in it for a while :-)

John






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RE: [Elecraft] Availability of lead solder in Europe

2006-08-25 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
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 stephen Farthing
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 Subject: [Elecraft] Availability of lead solder in Europe
 

...What will become difficult in time is 
 obtaining leaded solder for amateur use in the EU; it is no 
 longer stocked by Maplins (the nearest thing we have in the 
 UK to radio shack) which is odd because they also sell kits 
 which need lead solder to make. So it might be a good idea if 
 the fine folks at Elecraft were to offer a roll of lead 
 solder as a purchasable option for those of us who are unable 
 to source it in Europe. 

Steve

For the moment you can obtain your supplies here

http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?id=-1tier1=Tools%2c+Fasteners+%
26+Production+Equipmenttier2=Soldering+Equipmenttier3=Solder+%26+Fluxesti
er4=60%2f40+soldermoduleno=30459

In the UK you will probably find better service off Rapid even with mail
order than you will with Maplins.

You might need to work on that URL a bit as it is a bit long.

Leaded solder is not going away anytime soon, but its visibility is being
reduced as most service organisations are taking the opportunity now to
remove lead based products completely (as actually handling lead is also not
too healthy!) so it is also becoming prominent in HSE risk assemments also,
RoHS only accelerated and raised the visibility of the issue.

It has been illegal to use lead based solder on copper pipes carrying
potable water for a long time now, but for heating systems its OK.

Adding solder into the kits is a nice idea though.

John 




   That's all folks,
 
 Steve G0XAR
 
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
 Sent: 25 August 2006 16:13
 To: Robert T. Davis Jr.
 Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ordering of Elecraft kits
 
 
 Bob, here is an excerpt from an email Eric Swartz posted here 
 recently...
 
 We -strongly- recommend continuing to use regular lead based 
 solder to build our kits. Kester 44, and other 63/37, 60/40 
 lead/tin mix solders are not going away in the US or in Eu 
 and work much better for soldering both RoHS and non-RoHS 
 tinned parts. Removal of non-lead solder is difficult at best 
 for most builders, potentially damaging PC boards and 
 components, and thats why our warranty prohibits its usage. 
 Lead free solder is really designed for use in mass 
 production lines. 
 
 Elecraft strongly recommends (and their warranty requires) 
 continued use of traditional lead/tin solder, and it is 
 perfectly legal to do so in EU. That's good enough for me.
 
 Larry N8LP
 
 
 Robert T. Davis Jr. wrote:
 
I  am  thinking  of  ordering  the  K2,  but  I live in 
 Spain and I am
wondering if this lead free solder is going to be a 
 problem for me. In
other  words  can  I  order  the  Elecraft  kits  without 
 encountering
problems with the new EEC reg's. Bob AB5HG/EA7AQP
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RE: [Elecraft] K2 price increase, RoHS

2006-08-24 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Eric

So are you saying that all Kx kits are now RoHS compliant? 

Except the solder preference of the builder? 

As soon as Lead based solder is used on the Kx kit it will automatically
loose its compliant status. Should probably ass that to the manual ;-)

Sorry I cut out all the other post you made, it’s the only point of interest
to me as I don't see any RoHS statement in the box or on your web site.

Is RoHS compliance really an issue for you? Other than the cost? 

All my surplus inventory, especially semiconductors are being gobbled up
left, right  centre by US sales agents, passives are starting to interest
them also, especially chip inductors.

As you are based in US and that’s where the products are placed on the
market, it’s the EU importer (customer) who is actually responsible for
compliance. As the importer is not actually taking the product to
manufacture for commercial gain I am not sure how that goes, or if the
legislation even applies.

At the end of the day you are selling parts, with instructions, not a
consumer product as such.

But if you want to talk about solder issues, a typical hike in solder costs
(lead based, say £5 UKP/Kg) is now hiked to £15 UKP/Kg (SAC305) and that’s
based on 100Kg+/Month usage and as the majority of it is tin  copper you
can guess where the demand has come from on the tin.

But I have not seen any significant increase in parts costs, in UK anyway.

Sorry for OT and straying a bit here, I avoided the money issue as I still
thing your products are good value for money even if you increase the cost
again.

John









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[Elecraft] What should the power output of the K2 be?

2006-07-16 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Hi all

I have been having great fun with the K2 but I am wondering what the output
should be?

10W or 15W?

The Po control seems to indicate 15W should be possible.

The PA alignment seems OK, or at least as per the manual, Po/current seems
to match at the levels stated. 

But occasionally the built in detector seems to read a little higher than
the Po is set to and the full scale setting of 15 only seems to yield 11w or
so.

As this is the only one I have built so far I am curious.

Any guidance appreciated.

John

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RE: [Elecraft] What should the power output of the K2 be?

2006-07-16 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
 -Original Message-
 From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:00 PM
 To: 'John A. Ross [Ecraft]'; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] What should the power output of the K2 be?

 Welcome to the K2-club John! I built mine in 2000. It's a FB rig. 

Ron

Thanks, you are right, it is a very nice rig indeed and fantastic fun to
build and work on.
 
 The specified output of the K2 is at least 10 watts CW. The 
 actual output varies with the band. It is a function of the 
 overall transmitter path gain.
 It tends to peak about 40 meters, where most K2's will make 
 15 watts output, or very close to it. Up on 10 meters is 
 where the overall gain is lowest and many K2's just barely 
 make the specified 10 watts output.

 Since you're still getting familiar with your K2, here's a 
 couple of things to remember:
 
 1) The POWER control sets the requested power output. The 
 K2 monitors the actual power output and adjusts the 
 transmitter gain as needed for what you've requested. The 
 control allows you to request any power up to 15 watts, but 
 you can't get that much on all bands. 

OK, that makes sense now. I was not sure if the sample/control loop was
doing something wrong. You never know when firmware has a part in it ;-) 
 
 2) Because the POWER control circuitry is monitoring the 
 power output to determine how much gain the transmitter 
 circuits should have, the accuracy of the output power 
 setting depends upon how accurately the K2 measures its 
 output. A basic QRP K2 uses a simple RF voltmeter to monitor 
 the output. It is highly-dependent upon an accurate, 
 non-reactive 50-ohm load for good accuracy. Any significant 
 SWR at the transmitter output will affect it, and the actual 
 power output. The (KAT2, etc.) ATU's use a bridge circuit 
 that is a little more accurate, but can still be thrown off 
 by reactive terminations. 

I had not installed the ATU yet, Po was dumped into a DL-600 then checked
again on a 2955B so I am pretty sure the loads were OK.
 
 3) If you change the POWER control setting you have to 
 transmit before the new power level takes effect, since the 
 K2 must sense the output RF to tell how to adjust the 
 circuits. That means that you may notice that the output is 
 nearly zero when you hit the first dit or dah after turning the K2 on.
 It'll immediately jump up to whatever you have the control 
 set for. The same is in reverse when you turn the power down. 
 The first time you touch the key the power will still be up 
 at the old higher level until there's RF for the circuit to sense. 

OK, clear now.
 
 3) The K2 is rated at 10 watts PEP on SSB, regardless of how 
 much it will produce. That's  because the distortion 
 increases above 10 watts PEP in SSB mode. CW doesn't need a 
 linear amp, so it's not an issue when you're pounding brass, 
 but don't exceed 10 watts PEP on SSB on any band. 
 
 4) The Bargraph power display is in peak power, so it'll show 
 flickers at the PEP peaks instead of the average power like 
 most inexpensive external meters. That cause confusion 
 sometimes when the opr notices that his external meter is 
 wiggling around at 3 or 4 watts while his K2 shows 10 watt 
 peaks on SSB. That's normal. The external meter is showing 
 the average output, not the peak. 

Cheers Ron

All best

John

 
 
 Ron AC7AC
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 
 Hi all
 
 I have been having great fun with the K2 but I am wondering 
 what the output should be?
 
 10W or 15W?
 
 The Po control seems to indicate 15W should be possible.
 
 The PA alignment seems OK, or at least as per the manual, 
 Po/current seems to match at the levels stated. 
 
 But occasionally the built in detector seems to read a little 
 higher than the Po is set to and the full scale setting of 15 
 only seems to yield 11w or so.
 
 As this is the only one I have built so far I am curious.
 
 Any guidance appreciated.
 
 John
 
 
 

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RE: [Elecraft] Capacitor voltage K2 RF Board

2006-07-11 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hoblinski
 Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:41 PM
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 Subject: [Elecraft] Capacitor voltage K2 RF Board
 
 Could anybody let me know what the voltages are for C93 10uF 
 and C126 47uF that are on the control board.

Mike

Mine has a 10uF 35V Subminiture part for C93 and a 47uF 25v part for C126

All best

John

 
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[Elecraft] Optimising the PA stages

2006-07-08 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
Hi All

Ser Nr 5544 is now alive and kicking.

When doing the Align/Test P III with the referenced power level setting of
10.0W I find the current level hovering around the upper limit of the
recommended range at 2.0 amps although I did not see any Hi Current
warnings.

All the RX/TX alignment also seems OK. Is there any published tables on
typical performance variance across the bands regarding signal level in for
say S9 or MDS? or typical power levels out?

This leads me to believe that some optimising can possibly be done, or I
have some stages slightly off the intended specs.

I was sure I seen some posts previously on alternate winding of the
transformers in the TX chain from T1 onwards but I am getting way to may
hits from the 11k messages I have archived from this list to be able to
filter them down easily.

Any information appreciated.

John
 

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RE: [Elecraft] Optimising the PA stages

2006-07-08 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron 
 D'Eau Claire
 Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:52 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Optimising the PA stages
 
 There is an optimizing mod to one toroid for the K2 IF you 
 are going to work at 5 watts or less, maximum. It'll reduce 
 the xmit current a bit to help those using he QRP K2 with 
 internal batteries. The flip side is that the rig is less 
 efficient at higher levels. 
 
 It's on the Elecraft web site (www.elecraft.com) under 
 Builder's Resources.

Ron

Thanks, I already found that one. 

It actually mentions it in the schematic in the manual but applies only to
T4 turns ratio I think.

At the moment its working quite well, its in my nature to be curious though
;-)

I am going to have plenty fun with it either way.

All best

John 


 
 
 Ron AC7AC
 
 -Original Message-
 Hi All
 
 Ser Nr 5544 is now alive and kicking.
 
 When doing the Align/Test P III with the referenced power 
 level setting of 10.0W I find the current level hovering 
 around the upper limit of the recommended range at 2.0 amps 
 although I did not see any Hi Current warnings.
 
 All the RX/TX alignment also seems OK. Is there any published 
 tables on typical performance variance across the bands 
 regarding signal level in for say S9 or MDS? or typical power 
 levels out?
 
 This leads me to believe that some optimising can possibly be 
 done, or I have some stages slightly off the intended specs.
 
 I was sure I seen some posts previously on alternate winding 
 of the transformers in the TX chain from T1 onwards but I am 
 getting way to may hits from the 11k messages I have archived 
 from this list to be able to filter them down easily.
 
 Any information appreciated.
 
 John
  
 
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RE: [Elecraft] Lists vs BB's vs Forums

2006-03-18 Thread John A. Ross [Ecraft]
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris 
 Kantarjiev
 Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:25 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lists vs BB's vs Forums
 
 I'm one of those firmly in the email camp, but I participate 
 in a couple of lists that are also perfectly reflected in a 
 forum system. There's a commercial (but not very expensive) 
 product that does this - vBulletin. Post to the forum, it 
 also shows up in email, and vice versa. Forum threading is 
 done by email subject line. Messages are actually kept in a 
 database like mySQL.

Chris

I have used and run vBulletin forums for a number of years and although
there are mods available for nntp and email gateways VB does not support
this feature natively. 

The forum threading is very frail, first filtered using message ID in the
header, then checking for RE: FW: VB: AW: etc in the subject line to
indicate a reply then checking the string after.

I have ran these email mods and they won't deliver the service you expect.

The only online community which has a well integrated email/web based
interface is actually yahoo groups.
 
 It's pretty cool. I've been contemplating converting one of 
 the lists I run just to see what it's like.

I already ran 2 forums with the email / nntp gateway modification installed,
I was well impressed, it makes a beautiful archive and really nice search
features but threading is a bit unstable and requires a bit of volunteer
action to moderate / organise mis-threaded posts.

The thing to remember is that because the software has to be modified to do
this, which means that the volunteer author may decide one day to stop
support. 

The forum software is commercial and the support is second to none, but mod
support is a big risk for a large forum.

Just a few points to consider, constructively that is.

John




 
 I liked usenet, too - better threading than the mail readers 
 of the day. I think the key difference is that I didn't have 
 to go looking for what's new, which is what it feels like 
 trying to keep up with a dozen different fora... (usenet 
 isn't dead, btw, it just smells funny).
 
 73 de chris K6DBG
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