Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[marvwheeler]

To all that are unhappy with the Elecraft reflector. I don't think any of you 
have any funds invested in the reflector but there is a couple of solutions 
that might help solve your unhappiness. . !. You don't have to read the post. 
2. You can always start your own reflector and run it the way you want. I am 
very unhappy of having to read this thread after the moderator said ti close it.


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

sorry. Paul KB9AVO

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:44 PM Paul Van Dyke  wrote:

> Gentleman,
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> comments. Tieing up the reflector beating a dead horse to dust will do 
> us no good.
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:33 PM Clay Autery  wrote:
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>> THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Rose]

Amen !!

73 !

Ken - K0PP

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:44 Paul Van Dyke  wrote:

> Gentleman,
>  I suspect that both Wayne and Eric and the rest are aware of your
> comments. Tieing up the reflector beating a dead horse to dust will do us
> no good.
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:33 PM Clay Autery  wrote:
>
> > THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!
> >
> > __
> > Clay Autery, KY5G
> > (318) 518-1389
> >
> > On 30-Sep-19 14:19, Ronnie Hull wrote:
> > > People just don’t want or like changes
> > >
> > > Ronnie W5SUM
> > >
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Ken G Kopp]

Amen !!

73 - K0PP

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:45 Paul Van Dyke  wrote:

> Gentleman,
>  I suspect that both Wayne and Eric and the rest are aware of your
> comments. Tieing up the reflector beating a dead horse to dust will do us
> no good.
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:33 PM Clay Autery  wrote:
>
> > THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!
> >
> > __
> > Clay Autery, KY5G
> > (318) 518-1389
> >
> > On 30-Sep-19 14:19, Ronnie Hull wrote:
> > > People just don’t want or like changes
> > >
> > > Ronnie W5SUM
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Paul Van Dyke]

sorry. Paul KB9AVO

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:44 PM Paul Van Dyke  wrote:

> Gentleman,
>  I suspect that both Wayne and Eric and the rest are aware of your
> comments. Tieing up the reflector beating a dead horse to dust will do us
> no good.
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:33 PM Clay Autery  wrote:
>
>> THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!
>>
>> __
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> (318) 518-1389
>>
>> On 30-Sep-19 14:19, Ronnie Hull wrote:
>> > People just don’t want or like changes
>> >
>> > Ronnie W5SUM
>> >
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Clay Autery]

That is PRECISELY the wrong way to migrate from dino list to groups.io 
(or anywhere else actually).


There is a procedure to migrate the whole list, archives and all to 
groups.io and make it close to seamless for the users...


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On 30-Sep-19 14:43, David Gilbert wrote:


A couple of months ago somebody strongly argued for the TowerTalk 
reflector (which has a couple thousand subscribers) to switch to a 
groups.io list.  With the TowerTalk moderator's blessing somebody set 
one up on July 21 and urged everyone to switch to it.  As of today it 
has 36 members and has had a total of 8 posts, five of which were made 
by the guy who set it up.


I am constantly amazed how difficult it is for some people to quickly 
scroll through a list of topics to find the ones they may be 
interested in.  And yet it's the younger generations who get accused 
of needing instant gratification ... go figure.


Dave   AB7E

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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Paul Van Dyke]

Gentleman,
 I suspect that both Wayne and Eric and the rest are aware of your
comments. Tieing up the reflector beating a dead horse to dust will do us
no good.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:33 PM Clay Autery  wrote:

> THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!
>
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> On 30-Sep-19 14:19, Ronnie Hull wrote:
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Clay Autery]

Yup  me too.  +100

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On 30-Sep-19 14:25, Walter Underwood wrote:

He’s most likely talking about the groups.io mailing list and group site. For 
some reason, people call it “GIO” or “.io” or anything but “groups.io”.

I’ve been managing email lists, netnews, and groups since 1983, and I think 
that groups.io is the best system I’ve ever used. I’ve migrated all of the 
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Clay Autery]

THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!

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On 30-Sep-19 14:19, Ronnie Hull wrote:

People just don’t want or like changes

Ronnie W5SUM

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Clay Autery]

groups.io

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On 30-Sep-19 13:49, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

Isn't .io a top-level domain??



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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Clay Autery]

Mmmm... care to offer some amplification of that statement along the 
lines of WHY?


I've had a remarkably favorable experience with groups.io.

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On 30-Sep-19 13:43, Wes N7WS wrote:

I detest .io

Wes

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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Even Better:
Nabble.com: elecraft Searchable Daily Web Archive (view by date or discussion 
thread and reply to postings.) 

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

Eric
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On 9/30/2019 12:29 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-September/270620.html

What could be easier..? ¯‍∖‍_‍(‍ツ‍)‍_‍/‍¯


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Don Wilhelm]

Finally, a post with a reasonable solution! - Use an email client on 
your computer!  Then it won't matter and you do not have to sign onto 
several web based accounts.


I currently have 11 accounts that are handled by my email client 
(Thunderbird).  All incoming mail is sorted via filters into separate 
folders under my inbox, so I have only a small amount of inbox 
investigation and arrangement to do.  As a result I have my own personal 
"digest" on my computer.
I shudder to think how long it would take me to sign into each email 
group using webmail.


Most of my accounts are handled as POP3 mail, and yes, I do look at my 
email on more than one computer.  I just tell Thunderbird to leave a 
copy  of all emails on the server for 7 days (unless I delete them), and 
I can see all my email on any computer as long as I download the email 
on each one at least once a week.


To me all my accounts look the same whether QTH.net, or groups.io or 
gmail or other.  I use plain text with all of them - no problems.
I do regularly delete emails that are more than 6 months old - but I 
have to do that manually.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/30/2019 2:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the 
Internet.  The other term is "list server."


The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to the 
individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.


Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few decades, 
I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my machine than it 
is do deal with a mail client running on a machine hundreds of 
milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor to send back 
an updated display.


... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the 90's, 
and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.


But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks - Let's end this recurring thread now in the interest of improving list 
SNR.

73,
Eric  WA6HHQ
List moderator etc.
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On 9/30/2019 12:43 PM, David Gilbert wrote:


A couple of months ago somebody strongly argued for the TowerTalk reflector 
(which has a couple thousand subscribers) to switch to a groups.io list.  With 
the TowerTalk moderator's blessing somebody set one up on July 21 and urged 
everyone to switch to it.  As of today it has 36 members and has had a total 
of 8 posts, five of which were made by the guy who set it up.


I am constantly amazed how difficult it is for some people to quickly scroll 
through a list of topics to find the ones they may be interested in.  And yet 
it's the younger generations who get accused of needing instant gratification 
... go figure.


Dave   AB7E



On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
 Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a third 
world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It 
forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an 
interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one 
needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on 
the issue.

73
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Wes]

Change for the better is fine.

On 9/30/2019 12:19 PM, Ronnie Hull wrote:

People just don’t want or like changes

Ronnie W5SUM



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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Wes]

Okay, groups,io.  I was being brief on my phone.

On 9/30/2019 11:49 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

Isn't .io a top-level domain??

On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:

I detest .io

Wes

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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[David Gilbert]

A couple of months ago somebody strongly argued for the TowerTalk 
reflector (which has a couple thousand subscribers) to switch to a 
groups.io list.  With the TowerTalk moderator's blessing somebody set 
one up on July 21 and urged everyone to switch to it.  As of today it 
has 36 members and has had a total of 8 posts, five of which were made 
by the guy who set it up.


I am constantly amazed how difficult it is for some people to quickly 
scroll through a list of topics to find the ones they may be interested 
in.  And yet it's the younger generations who get accused of needing 
instant gratification ... go figure.


Dave   AB7E



On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
 Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with 
a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this 
opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user 
may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. 
Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is 
there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.

73
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

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http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-September/270620.html

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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

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He’s most likely talking about the groups.io mailing list and group site. For 
some reason, people call it “GIO” or “.io” or anything but “groups.io”.

I’ve been managing email lists, netnews, and groups since 1983, and I think 
that groups.io is the best system I’ve ever used. I’ve migrated all of the 
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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
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> "indian ocean?"
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> On 9/30/2019 11:49 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Isn't .io a top-level domain??
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Ronnie Hull]

People just don’t want or like changes

Ronnie W5SUM

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
>  wrote:
> 
> Isn't .io a top-level domain??
> 
>> On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:
>> I detest .io
>> Wes
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not 
>>> necessarily seem interesting at first look :-)
>>> 
>>> Grant/NQ5T
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a 
>>>> third world country reflector (just my opinion)
>>>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
>>>> friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? 
>>>> It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have 
>>>> an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all 
>>>> one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" 
>>>> take on the issue.
>>>> 73
>>>> Neil   N4FN
>>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Fred Jensen]

"indian ocean?"

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On 9/30/2019 11:49 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

Isn't .io a top-level domain??



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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I own 4 ham radio groups and moderate 1 ham radio group and belong to 
about 4 others.   Life is what you make it in the world of "list 
servers".    If you hate it or one of them,  then it is likely the way 
one has it configured for their needs. "It ain't rocket science".


73

Bob, K4TAX



On 9/30/2019 1:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the 
Internet. The other term is "list server."


The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to 
the individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.


Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few 
decades, I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my 
machine than it is do deal with a mail client running on a machine 
hundreds of milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor 
to send back an updated display.


... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the 
90's, and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.


But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately 
with a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not 
user friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this 
opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user 
may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. 
Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is 
there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.

73
Neil   N4FN


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Isn't .io a top-level domain??

On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:

I detest .io

Wes

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:

This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily 
seem interesting at first look :-)

Grant/NQ5T


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil  wrote:

 Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a third 
world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user friendly. I hope 
that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It forces the user to scroll 
thru many messages that a user may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of 
interest. Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just 
one "geezers" take on the issue.
73
Neil   N4FN


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the 
Internet.  The other term is "list server."


The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to the 
individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.


Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few decades, 
I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my machine than it 
is do deal with a mail client running on a machine hundreds of 
milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor to send back 
an updated display.


... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the 90's, 
and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.


But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a 
third world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this 
opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may 
not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using 
the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just 
one "geezers" take on the issue.

73
Neil   N4FN


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Wes N7WS]

I detest .io

Wes

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not 
> necessarily seem interesting at first look :-)
> 
> Grant/NQ5T
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a 
>> third world country reflector (just my opinion)
>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
>> friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It 
>> forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an 
>> interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one 
>> needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on 
>> the issue.
>> 73
>> Neil   N4FN
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Grant Youngman]

This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily 
seem interesting at first look :-)

Grant/NQ5T


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil  wrote:
> 
>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a 
> third world country reflector (just my opinion)
> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
> friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It 
> forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an 
> interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one 
> needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on 
> the issue.
> 73
> Neil   N4FN
> 
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[Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Neil]

 Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a 
third world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this 
opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may 
not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using 
the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just 
one "geezers" take on the issue.

73
Neil   N4FN


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