Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Phil Wheeler]

Not new so far as I know, Jim. I've been doing 
that with usb audio devices for some years.


But I must admit I've never operated WSJT-X. And 
when I use PSK31 I use Windows, due to the wider 
availability of ham radio software. My shack 
operating computer is an old 2010 11" MacBook Air, 
chosen because I can see my rigs with it in front 
of them and it has full-size keyboard. It's 
dual-boot OS X 10.11.5 and Windows 10. I do all my 
ham radio work on the Windows side. And for PSK31 
I use Digipan (which I've been using for many 
years) and a Signalink USB.


When I get a chance I'll try fldigi on the OS X 
side with the Signalink USB and see if I run into 
any difficulties of the type you describe.


73, Phil W7OX


On 5/28/16 8:48 PM, James Bennett wrote:

Phil,

Is this something new with El Capitan? I’ve always been making settings changes 
in the MIDI application. Anyway, I gave it a try and set USB Audio CODEC as the 
output device. Fired up WSJT-X and answered a CQ. It keyed the K3 for about 
five seconds and then the audio started coming out the iMac internal speakers. 
Wonderful. This is the same crud as what was happening before. Not everyone on 
10.11.5 is as lucky as I am, but there are a bunch of folks who’ve been hosed 
by this release. Not sure if you subscribe to the WSJT-X development reflector, 
but the airwaves were burning on this subject over the past several weeks. 
Someone at Apple needs a swift kick in the pants….

Jim, W6JHB




On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at  Saturday, 8:31 PM, Phil Wheeler 
 wrote:

Adding to what I said below: You do System Preferences > Sound > Input if you 
want your audio input to come from an external USB device (Griffin iMic, 
SignalinkUSB, K3s, etc.).

I am running OS X 10.11.5 and just tested this with an iMic I happened to have 
with me.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/28/16 8:18 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

Jim (and perhaps Dick),

Then go to System Preferences > Sound > Output and select the external USB 
device you want the as the destination for your audio output. You have to do this in 
OS X, not in the application software.

73, Phil W7OX



On 5/28/16 7:49 PM, James Bennett wrote:

Dick,

By any chance have you in the past few weeks upgraded your mac to El Capitan? I 
had a working system (K3, FLDIGI, WSJT-X) and silly me, upgraded to El Capitan 
and a subsequent follow-on update. It has completely broken my digital mode 
operating. The audio is now routed to the internal iMac speakers - no matter 
what I’ve put in the settings of either piece of software. Needless to say, 
with the audio going to the speakers instead of to the K3, it never goes into 
transmit. Apple has really screwed up things this time. I’ve since moved my 
digital operation off of the iMac and over to a Raspberry Pi 3 where WSJT-X is 
working just fine. Havent’ had time to mess with FLDIGI over there yet, but 
maybe next week.

Just a thought…….

Jim, W6JHB



On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at  Saturday, 12:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway 
  wrote:

Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac computer.  I 
am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a straight USK 
connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on or TX!  I have never  
had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or before when I owned  a K3.  Joe 
tried your hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me from Elecraft.  No 
go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be keying the 
K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would block t his?
All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..
Take care,
Dick. N5XRD


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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Bill Frantz]

I found the SignaLink USB VOX based PTT to be very reliable. 
When I am using a SignaLink, I can always know my computer is 
transmitting by hearing the relay click in the SignaLink. When I 
had it connected to the PTT of the K3, it was 100% reliable.


(I have moved to a different sound interface since. I still use 
the SignaLink with my KX3 operating portable.)


73 Bill AE6JV

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I STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT rely on the PTT from the 
SignaLink at all, ever, no way, uh uh, fuggedaboudit, nyet.  
You have to use the full audio drive of the SLUSB to trip it's 
VOX, which is still not reliable.


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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[James Bennett]

Phil,

Is this something new with El Capitan? I’ve always been making settings changes 
in the MIDI application. Anyway, I gave it a try and set USB Audio CODEC as the 
output device. Fired up WSJT-X and answered a CQ. It keyed the K3 for about 
five seconds and then the audio started coming out the iMac internal speakers. 
Wonderful. This is the same crud as what was happening before. Not everyone on 
10.11.5 is as lucky as I am, but there are a bunch of folks who’ve been hosed 
by this release. Not sure if you subscribe to the WSJT-X development reflector, 
but the airwaves were burning on this subject over the past several weeks. 
Someone at Apple needs a swift kick in the pants….

Jim, W6JHB



> On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at  Saturday, 8:31 PM, Phil Wheeler 
>  wrote:
> 
> Adding to what I said below: You do System Preferences > Sound > Input if you 
> want your audio input to come from an external USB device (Griffin iMic, 
> SignalinkUSB, K3s, etc.).
> 
> I am running OS X 10.11.5 and just tested this with an iMic I happened to 
> have with me.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 5/28/16 8:18 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Jim (and perhaps Dick), 
>> 
>> Then go to System Preferences > Sound > Output and select the external USB 
>> device you want the as the destination for your audio output. You have to do 
>> this in OS X, not in the application software. 
>> 
>> 73, Phil W7OX 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/28/16 7:49 PM, James Bennett wrote: 
>>> Dick, 
>>> 
>>> By any chance have you in the past few weeks upgraded your mac to El 
>>> Capitan? I had a working system (K3, FLDIGI, WSJT-X) and silly me, upgraded 
>>> to El Capitan and a subsequent follow-on update. It has completely broken 
>>> my digital mode operating. The audio is now routed to the internal iMac 
>>> speakers - no matter what I’ve put in the settings of either piece of 
>>> software. Needless to say, with the audio going to the speakers instead of 
>>> to the K3, it never goes into transmit. Apple has really screwed up things 
>>> this time. I’ve since moved my digital operation off of the iMac and over 
>>> to a Raspberry Pi 3 where WSJT-X is working just fine. Havent’ had time to 
>>> mess with FLDIGI over there yet, but maybe next week. 
>>> 
>>> Just a thought……. 
>>> 
>>> Jim, W6JHB 
>>> 
>>> 
 On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at  Saturday, 12:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway 
   wrote: 
 
 Hi, 
 I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac computer. 
  I am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a straight USK 
 connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on or TX!  I have 
 never  had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or before when I owned  
 a K3.  Joe tried your hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me 
 from Elecraft.  No go.??? 
 If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be keying 
 the K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would block t his? 
 All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen.. 
 Take care, 
 Dick. N5XRD
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Phil Wheeler]

Adding to what I said below: You do System 
Preferences > Sound > Input if you want your audio 
input to come from an external USB device (Griffin 
iMic, SignalinkUSB, K3s, etc.).


I am running OS X 10.11.5 and just tested this 
with an iMic I happened to have with me.


73, Phil W7OX

On 5/28/16 8:18 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

Jim (and perhaps Dick),

Then go to System Preferences > Sound > Output 
and select the external USB device you want the 
as the destination for your audio output. You 
have to do this in OS X, not in the application 
software.


73, Phil W7OX



On 5/28/16 7:49 PM, James Bennett wrote:

Dick,

By any chance have you in the past few weeks 
upgraded your mac to El Capitan? I had a 
working system (K3, FLDIGI, WSJT-X) and silly 
me, upgraded to El Capitan and a subsequent 
follow-on update. It has completely broken my 
digital mode operating. The audio is now routed 
to the internal iMac speakers - no matter what 
I’ve put in the settings of either piece of 
software. Needless to say, with the audio going 
to the speakers instead of to the K3, it never 
goes into transmit. Apple has really screwed up 
things this time. I’ve since moved my digital 
operation off of the iMac and over to a 
Raspberry Pi 3 where WSJT-X is working just 
fine. Havent’ had time to mess with FLDIGI over 
there yet, but maybe next week.


Just a thought…….

Jim, W6JHB


On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at Saturday, 
12:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway 
 wrote:


Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with 
my Fldigi on my Mac computer.  I am unable to 
connect either with the SignaLink or with a 
straight USK connection.  Neither will cause 
the TX light to come on or TX!  I have never  
had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or 
before when I owned  a K3.  Joe tried your 
hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to 
me from Elecraft.  No go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me 
know.  This should be keying the K3S but it is 
not.  Have I sset something  that would block 
t his?
All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering 
our fallen..

Take care,
Dick. N5XRD


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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Phil Wheeler]

Jim (and perhaps Dick),

Then go to System Preferences > Sound > Output and 
select the external USB device you want the as the 
destination for your audio output. You have to do 
this in OS X, not in the application software.


73, Phil W7OX



On 5/28/16 7:49 PM, James Bennett wrote:

Dick,

By any chance have you in the past few weeks upgraded your mac to El Capitan? I 
had a working system (K3, FLDIGI, WSJT-X) and silly me, upgraded to El Capitan 
and a subsequent follow-on update. It has completely broken my digital mode 
operating. The audio is now routed to the internal iMac speakers - no matter 
what I’ve put in the settings of either piece of software. Needless to say, 
with the audio going to the speakers instead of to the K3, it never goes into 
transmit. Apple has really screwed up things this time. I’ve since moved my 
digital operation off of the iMac and over to a Raspberry Pi 3 where WSJT-X is 
working just fine. Havent’ had time to mess with FLDIGI over there yet, but 
maybe next week.

Just a thought…….

Jim, W6JHB



On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at  Saturday, 12:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway 
 wrote:

Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac computer.  I 
am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a straight USK 
connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on or TX!  I have never  
had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or before when I owned  a K3.  Joe 
tried your hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me from Elecraft.  No 
go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be keying the 
K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would block t his?
All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..
Take care,
Dick. N5XRD


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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[James Bennett]

Dick,

By any chance have you in the past few weeks upgraded your mac to El Capitan? I 
had a working system (K3, FLDIGI, WSJT-X) and silly me, upgraded to El Capitan 
and a subsequent follow-on update. It has completely broken my digital mode 
operating. The audio is now routed to the internal iMac speakers - no matter 
what I’ve put in the settings of either piece of software. Needless to say, 
with the audio going to the speakers instead of to the K3, it never goes into 
transmit. Apple has really screwed up things this time. I’ve since moved my 
digital operation off of the iMac and over to a Raspberry Pi 3 where WSJT-X is 
working just fine. Havent’ had time to mess with FLDIGI over there yet, but 
maybe next week.

Just a thought…….

Jim, W6JHB


> On   Saturday, May 28, 2016, at  Saturday, 12:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac computer.  I 
> am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a straight USK 
> connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on or TX!  I have never  
> had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or before when I owned  a K3.  
> Joe tried your hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me from 
> Elecraft.  No go.???
> If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be keying 
> the K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would block t his?
> All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..
> Take care,
> Dick. N5XRD 
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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Ken Arck]

I can't speak to the Mac part but it was a bit of a learning curve 
(and I VERY computer literate - heck I code!) to get my K3S working 
smoothly with several different software applications but now 
everything - audio in/out, PTT and CAT commands are all handled 
through one USB cable.


It's magic!

Ken


At 04:52 PM 5/28/2016, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
I STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT rely on the PTT from the 
SignaLink at all, ever, no way, uh uh, fuggedaboudit, nyet.  You 
have to use the full audio drive of the SLUSB to trip it's VOX, 
which is still not reliable.


If you cannot use a CAT (computer) for PTT, then the rig VOX is your 
only answer.


Computer driver (Codec 'speaker') set to MAX, SLUSB set to painted 
lines on top (DLY set full counter-clockwise), then:


Set the rig audio (Lin In) to the correct level (data A mode, 4 bars 
lit, 5th 'tickled') then adjust the rig VOX to be reliable with that.


You should be golden at that point.

73,
Rick nhc


On 5/28/2016 12:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dick,

Do you have sound coming out of the SignaLink?  Connect it to an 
audio amplifier and listen - if you hear tones, things should work.
If the SignaLink produces tones, does it activate the PTT output - 
test with your ohmmeter, it should measure a very high resistance 
(even infinity) with no tones produced and near zero ohms when 
tones are present.
Yes, I am thinking you may have a bad SignaLink, so test it to be 
sure it is doing its job.


I assume you are plugging the SignaLink into the line-in jack on 
the K3S.  Have you set the data mode MIC SEL menu to LINE IN?


If the SignaLink makes tones, try using VOX in the K3S - it should 
go into transmit when tones are received.

If the SignaLink does not produce tones, try the output of another soundcard.

Why are you using the SignaLink instead of the built-in USB CODEC 
in the K3S?  The SignaLink only further complicates things.  If you 
do use the USB CODEC, make certain nothing is plugged into the K3S 
LINE IN jack.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2016 3:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:

Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac 
computer.  I am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or 
with a straight USK connection.  Neither will cause the TX light 
to come on or TX!  I have never  had t his problem before on any 
of my Rigs, or before when I owned  a K3.  Joe tried your hamlib 
as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me from Elecraft.  No go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should 
be keying the K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that 
would block t his?

All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..


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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Rick WA6NHC]

I STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT rely on the PTT from the SignaLink at 
all, ever, no way, uh uh, fuggedaboudit, nyet.  You have to use the full 
audio drive of the SLUSB to trip it's VOX, which is still not reliable.


If you cannot use a CAT (computer) for PTT, then the rig VOX is your 
only answer.


Computer driver (Codec 'speaker') set to MAX, SLUSB set to painted lines 
on top (DLY set full counter-clockwise), then:


Set the rig audio (Lin In) to the correct level (data A mode, 4 bars 
lit, 5th 'tickled') then adjust the rig VOX to be reliable with that.


You should be golden at that point.

73,
Rick nhc


On 5/28/2016 12:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dick,

Do you have sound coming out of the SignaLink?  Connect it to an audio 
amplifier and listen - if you hear tones, things should work.
If the SignaLink produces tones, does it activate the PTT output - 
test with your ohmmeter, it should measure a very high resistance 
(even infinity) with no tones produced and near zero ohms when tones 
are present.
Yes, I am thinking you may have a bad SignaLink, so test it to be sure 
it is doing its job.


I assume you are plugging the SignaLink into the line-in jack on the 
K3S.  Have you set the data mode MIC SEL menu to LINE IN?


If the SignaLink makes tones, try using VOX in the K3S - it should go 
into transmit when tones are received.
If the SignaLink does not produce tones, try the output of another 
soundcard.


Why are you using the SignaLink instead of the built-in USB CODEC in 
the K3S?  The SignaLink only further complicates things.  If you do 
use the USB CODEC, make certain nothing is plugged into the K3S LINE 
IN jack.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2016 3:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:

Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac 
computer.  I am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a 
straight USK connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on 
or TX!  I have never  had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or 
before when I owned  a K3.  Joe tried your hamlib as well as the Rig 
Cat settings sent to me from Elecraft.  No go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be 
keying the K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would 
block t his?

All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..



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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Jim Rodenkirch]

Isn't it "fun"? 

You purchase a new, highly touted rig that will do it all (I'm NOT sayin'
Elecraft touts that...well, maybe they do that a little) and then you find
lots of problems interfacing it with other ancillary equipment (ASSUMING it
even NEEDS to interface with some external piece of gear).

An old Systems Engineering axiom/mantra  the biggest problems are
always at the external interfaces..assuming you even NEED an external
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Re: [Elecraft] About to give up

[Don Wilhelm]

Dick,

Do you have sound coming out of the SignaLink?  Connect it to an audio 
amplifier and listen - if you hear tones, things should work.
If the SignaLink produces tones, does it activate the PTT output - test 
with your ohmmeter, it should measure a very high resistance (even 
infinity) with no tones produced and near zero ohms when tones are present.
Yes, I am thinking you may have a bad SignaLink, so test it to be sure 
it is doing its job.


I assume you are plugging the SignaLink into the line-in jack on the 
K3S.  Have you set the data mode MIC SEL menu to LINE IN?


If the SignaLink makes tones, try using VOX in the K3S - it should go 
into transmit when tones are received.
If the SignaLink does not produce tones, try the output of another 
soundcard.


Why are you using the SignaLink instead of the built-in USB CODEC in the 
K3S?  The SignaLink only further complicates things.  If you do use the 
USB CODEC, make certain nothing is plugged into the K3S LINE IN jack.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2016 3:22 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote:

Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac computer.  I 
am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a straight USK 
connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on or TX!  I have never  
had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or before when I owned  a K3.  Joe 
tried your hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me from Elecraft.  No 
go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be keying the 
K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would block t his?
All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..



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[Elecraft] About to give up

[Richard W Hemingway]

Hi,
I am about to give up on my K3S and PSK with my Fldigi on my Mac computer.  I 
am unable to connect either with the SignaLink or with a straight USK 
connection.  Neither will cause the TX light to come on or TX!  I have never  
had t his problem before on any of my Rigs, or before when I owned  a K3.  Joe 
tried your hamlib as well as the Rig Cat settings sent to me from Elecraft.  No 
go.???
If anyone has any bright  ideas please let me know.  This should be keying the 
K3S but it is not.  Have I sset something  that would block t his?
All have a great Memorial weekend, remembering our fallen..
Take care,
Dick. N5XRD 
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