Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-17 Thread w7aqk

Hi All,

I'm a bit late responding, but I haven't seen quite the answer I would have 
given.  So, here's my suggestion.


The "no skid" shelf liner stuff is good, but I've found a particular type 
that seems to work best.  It's actually the cheaper type.  At places like 
Walmart you will find several versions of this stuff.  The more expensive 
versions (although none of them are all that expensive) usually has a very 
simple pattern with small, rounded "bubbles" on top.  This liner won't move, 
but the top surface is too slick, and things on top may move around. 
Instead, go for the "cheap" stuff, which is thinner, and has an even tighter 
(and somewhat irregular) pattern.  I don't know how else to describe it, and 
that doesn't give you much to go on, but I almost always see it available at 
Walmart, and it is the lower priced option.  If I remember to I will check 
the stock number the next time I'm in Walmart.  It's also the same type and 
pattern I saw supplied quite often in small squares with some of the paddles 
that used to be offered as kits.  Anyway, this stuff won't typically slide 
around on whatever surface you put it on, and more importantly, things on 
top of it don't tend to slide around  much either.  I buy this stuff and cut 
it to shape for my dashboard to hold all sorts of things, including cell 
phones, etc.


That said, a paddle without much mass can be problematic no matter what you 
place it on--unless you actually fasten it down somehow.  That's one (of 
many) reasons I really like the Begali paddles, and other offerings as well 
such as the ones from Tony, N3ZN.  These paddles have a lot of mass, and 
that, to me, is critical.  To send properly with a paddle, it must be very 
stationary.  Rubber feet rarely do the job.  The surface contact just isn't 
sufficient.


Something I've thought about, but never tried, is using some of these small 
"super" magnets.  You could glue 4 of these down on your dashboard in the 
appropriate spots, and if necessary, add a small, thin steel plate to the 
bottom of your paddle.


Dave W7AQK 


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ed,

Sorry, but yes that should have been Tony, N3ZN.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/16/2015 12:51 PM, Ed wrote:

Don,   didn't you mean, N3ZN?

Ed   K7AAT


-Original Message-

That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has more
than enough weight on the base to keep it solid.

Don W3FPR




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread George K5KG via Elecraft
Those rubbery little mats that keep a cell phone from slipping off a 
car's dashboard will keep a keyer paddle from walking around the desk.  
Never tried it with a keyer paddle on a dashboard, however!


73, George, K5KG

On 10/16/2015 12:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Adding to the plywood idea, for a really solid "no movement" key, 
drill holes in the plywood that match the feet on the paddles - so the 
paddle feet fit into the holes.
The real key to the solution is to extend the plywood out to the front 
of the paddles so that your hand rests on the plywood.  The paddles 
and your hand will always be in alignment, no matter where the plywood 
and paddle combination is placed on the desk.  Your hand secures the 
plywood and the plywood holds the paddle in place.


That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has 
more than enough weight on the base to keep it solid.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/16/2015 11:25 AM, Jim Miller wrote:

I found my key moved around a bit much for me but had difficulty finding
something to make it sticky. I finally removed the feet and replaced 
them

with some 5 ply plywood used for model aircraft. You can find it at the
hobby stores and hardware stores. It is 1/4" thick. That provides a 
surface

to which the next layer adheres nicely.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Ed via Elecraft

Don,   didn't you mean, N3ZN?

Ed   K7AAT


-Original Message-

That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has more
than enough weight on the base to keep it solid.

Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Adding to the plywood idea, for a really solid "no movement" key, drill 
holes in the plywood that match the feet on the paddles - so the paddle 
feet fit into the holes.
The real key to the solution is to extend the plywood out to the front 
of the paddles so that your hand rests on the plywood.  The paddles and 
your hand will always be in alignment, no matter where the plywood and 
paddle combination is placed on the desk.  Your hand secures the plywood 
and the plywood holds the paddle in place.


That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has more 
than enough weight on the base to keep it solid.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/16/2015 11:25 AM, Jim Miller wrote:

I found my key moved around a bit much for me but had difficulty finding
something to make it sticky. I finally removed the feet and replaced them
with some 5 ply plywood used for model aircraft. You can find it at the
hobby stores and hardware stores. It is 1/4" thick. That provides a surface
to which the next layer adheres nicely.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Walter Underwood
I don’t do CW, butI know that occupational therapists use Dycem non-slip 
material. It comes in thin sheets and thick mats. That stuff is really great.

http://www.rehabmart.com/category/Non-Slip_Plastic.htm 

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dycem+non-slip
 


wunder
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> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:23 AM, dw  wrote:
> 
> I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-]
> Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base.
> On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the
> bench if you breathed on it!
> 
> The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens.
> I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with.
> It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move.
> 
> I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without
> false keying.
> For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me.
> Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while.
> If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle.
> The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a
> really nice tactile sense.
> And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small
> plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around.
> I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days
> sitting on a non-skid pad.
> 
> May the Force be withyour finger tips!! :-D
> N1BBR
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread KENT TRIMBLE
Forced by college dormitory rules against nails in walls, a trip to a 
bookstore more than 50 years ago resulted in the absolute best material 
to keep paddles and keys from sliding on any surface.  Sold originally 
as white silly-putty-type stuff and called "Hold-it," today it goes by a 
variety of names and colors but the product is the same.  It is used to 
stick pictures and other items on walls without leaving marks.  You tear 
off a small hunk, stretch and knead it until the molecules are broken 
and the material is warm, soft, and pliable, and then put a small amount 
on the bottom of each foot or pad.  Even the heaviest fist cannot move a 
paddle thus endowed.  When you want to reposition the paddle, merely 
pick it up and place it where you want.  When it picks up enough dirt 
and lint over time, merely knead and stretch it again, and reapply.  
Makes no difference whether the feet are hard rubber, soft rubber, or 
plastic.  I still have about half what I bought at that bookstore in 
1963, and gave a hunk to a new CW operator just last month.  It is 
easily removed if you eventually sell the paddle.  I use it every 
Saturday morning in the basement of a local restaurant to anchor my 
paddle and Logikey K-5 on the urethane-surfaced dining tables while 
teaching two CW classes, not to mention Field Day, Special Events, merit 
badge courses, and general operating at home.  Great stuff that will 
outlive all of us.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 10/16/2015 10:12 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
A good point, often the feet on a paddle are hard rubber which offers 
little traction to the desk top.  As rubber ages it tends to harden as 
well.   Those with softer rubber feet and keeping those clean to 
prevent dirt and wax buildup are much more prone to stay put.


If you clean your your desk top with a furniture polish, the wax in 
the polish will eventually adhere to the feet and make them less 
effective in holding power.  I use 91% Isopropyl alcohol {found at the 
local pharmacy}  and a soft cloth to clean rubber parts.  All the 
black that rubs off is dead rubber.


If your key or paddle happens to have hard or rigid "plastic" 
feet. replace them with something elsenot plastic. 
Also I find may of the new silicone stick-on pads used to protect 
table tops get slick after a period of time.  Just like vehicle tires, 
softer rubber gets better traction.


73
Bob, K4TAX




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Jim Miller
I found my key moved around a bit much for me but had difficulty finding
something to make it sticky. I finally removed the feet and replaced them
with some 5 ply plywood used for model aircraft. You can find it at the
hobby stores and hardware stores. It is 1/4" thick. That provides a surface
to which the next layer adheres nicely.

I then applied a thin layer of ordinary GE RTV silicone to the bottom of
those plywood feet with a credit card as a squeegee and sat the key on a
sheet of wax paper to make sure it sat flat. After letting it sit like that
for several hours I turned the key upside down and removed the wax paper to
make sure the whole surface had a chance to cure.

The result is my key is now nicely "sticky" and good for my use. I'm a
squeezer not a slapper.

YMMV

jim ab3cv

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR 
wrote:

> FWIW,I use Lok-Tite Fun-Tak mounting putty from Home Depot.  Ir holds very
> well, but when peeled off my wood desk, it comes off cleanly and can be
> repositioned and reused.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> . Check
> out the Reverse Beacon Network at
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> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 10/16/2015 10:23 AM, dw wrote:
>
>> I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-]
>> Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base.
>> On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the
>> bench if you breathed on it!
>>
>> The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens.
>> I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with.
>> It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move.
>>
>> I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without
>> false keying.
>> For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me.
>> Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while.
>> If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle.
>> The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a
>> really nice tactile sense.
>> And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small
>> plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around.
>> I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days
>> sitting on a non-skid pad.
>>
>> May the Force be withyour finger tips!! :-D
>> N1BBR
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
FWIW,I use Lok-Tite Fun-Tak mounting putty from Home Depot.  Ir holds 
very well, but when peeled off my wood desk, it comes off cleanly and 
can be repositioned and reused.


73, Pete N4ZR
Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
. Check
out the Reverse Beacon Network at
, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 10/16/2015 10:23 AM, dw wrote:

I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-]
Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base.
On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the
bench if you breathed on it!

The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens.
I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with.
It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move.

I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without
false keying.
For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me.
Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while.
If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle.
The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a
really nice tactile sense.
And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small
plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around.
I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days
sitting on a non-skid pad.

May the Force be withyour finger tips!! :-D
N1BBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread Bob McGraw - K4TAX
A good point, often the feet on a paddle are hard rubber which offers 
little traction to the desk top.  As rubber ages it tends to harden as 
well.   Those with softer rubber feet and keeping those clean to prevent 
dirt and wax buildup are much more prone to stay put.


If you clean your your desk top with a furniture polish, the wax in the 
polish will eventually adhere to the feet and make them less effective 
in holding power.  I use 91% Isopropyl alcohol {found at the local 
pharmacy}  and a soft cloth to clean rubber parts.  All the black that 
rubs off is dead rubber.


If your key or paddle happens to have hard or rigid "plastic" 
feet. replace them with something elsenot plastic. Also 
I find may of the new silicone stick-on pads used to protect table tops 
get slick after a period of time.  Just like vehicle tires, softer 
rubber gets better traction.


73
Bob, K4TAX
 


On 10/16/2015 9:23 AM, dw wrote:

And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small
plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around.



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[Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-16 Thread dw
I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-]
Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base.
On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the
bench if you breathed on it!

The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens.
I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with.
It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move.

I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without
false keying.
For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me.
Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while.
If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle.
The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a
really nice tactile sense.
And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small
plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around.
I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days
sitting on a non-skid pad.

May the Force be withyour finger tips!! :-D
N1BBR
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread KC6CNN
That's why I love my K8ra P5 big dog. 7 lbs. Solid brass key with rosewood
handles.
I was hoping to sell the Elecraft key. I have my P5 paddle and a Begali
Blade Straight key.

73's Gerald KC6CNN
On Oct 15, 2015 9:59 PM, "ac5p [via Elecraft]" <
ml-node+s365791n760914...@n2.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hard to imagine the big ugly(IMO) hex key being "too light" to stay in
> place?  It must be due to poor surface contact with the bottom of the foot
> pads.  The suggested methods should work well as should small squares of
> double faced mounting tape under the pads.
> Mike  AC5P
>
>
>  On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:43 PM, Marc Veeneman <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
>
>  That's the stuff!  If is isn't gooey and sticky, yet does not leave
> residue, it's probably not silicone.
>
> Some pieces are sold as dashboard holders for GPS devices or cell phones,
> but they often have embossing or raised edges or some other impediment to
> full-on paddle holding power.  And some are just rubber or neoprene.  You
> want the real thing.
>
> It's also the stuff Elecraft are considering for KX3 feet, instead of
> neoprene.
> --
> Marc  W8SDG
>
>
> > On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
> >
> > I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably
> the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move
> a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to!
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > /Rick N6XI
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
> >> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is
> even more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.
> >>
> >> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available,
> try snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex
> Key foot.
> >>
> >> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to
> side movement.
> >>
> >> I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
> >> --
> >> Marc  W8SDG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057.
> >> > This key is too light for my heavy hands.
> >> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft
> List
> >> > first shot at it.
> >> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key
> you
> >> > would want to trade.
> >> > Thank you
> >> > Gerald - KC6CNN
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread ac5p
Hard to imagine the big ugly(IMO) hex key being "too light" to stay in place?  
It must be due to poor surface contact with the bottom of the foot pads.  The 
suggested methods should work well as should small squares of double faced 
mounting tape under the pads.  
Mike  AC5P   


 On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:43 PM, Marc Veeneman  
wrote:
   

 That's the stuff!  If is isn't gooey and sticky, yet does not leave residue, 
it's probably not silicone.

Some pieces are sold as dashboard holders for GPS devices or cell phones, but 
they often have embossing or raised edges or some other impediment to full-on 
paddle holding power.  And some are just rubber or neoprene.  You want the real 
thing.

It's also the stuff Elecraft are considering for KX3 feet, instead of neoprene.
-- 
Marc  W8SDG


> On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI  wrote:
> 
> I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the 
> silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a 
> paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to!
> 
> 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman  wrote:
>> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even 
>> more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.
>> 
>> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try 
>> snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key 
>> foot.
>> 
>> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side 
>> movement.
>> 
>> I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
>> --
>> Marc  W8SDG
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057.
>> > This key is too light for my heavy hands.
>> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
>> > first shot at it.
>> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
>> > would want to trade.
>> > Thank you
>> > Gerald - KC6CNN
>> >
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread Marc Veeneman
That's the stuff!  If is isn't gooey and sticky, yet does not leave residue, 
it's probably not silicone.

Some pieces are sold as dashboard holders for GPS devices or cell phones, but 
they often have embossing or raised edges or some other impediment to full-on 
paddle holding power.  And some are just rubber or neoprene.  You want the real 
thing.

It's also the stuff Elecraft are considering for KX3 feet, instead of neoprene.
-- 
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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI  wrote:
> 
> I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the 
> silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a 
> paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to!
> 
> 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman  wrote:
>> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even 
>> more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.
>> 
>> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try 
>> snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key 
>> foot.
>> 
>> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side 
>> movement.
>> 
>> I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
>> --
>> Marc  W8SDG
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057.
>> > This key is too light for my heavy hands.
>> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
>> > first shot at it.
>> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
>> > would want to trade.
>> > Thank you
>> > Gerald - KC6CNN
>> >
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread Jim - KE8G
I, too, am a pretty heavy handed cw buff and have found that you can use a 
piece shelf liner, the kind my XYL uses in the kitchen cabinets & drawers.  
Works fantastic.  Besides, it cleans up easily from any coffee spills!

73 de Jim - KE8G

 Chortek Bob via Elecraft  wrote: 
> I found a thin piece of neoprene works just great to keep a key in place, 
> almost no matter how hard you bang on it!!!  It's like a mouse pad, only 
> thinner and not as large.  A mouse pad works great, too!
My Hex has not moved in over a year, hi!!!
Bob/AA6VB
  From: Rick Tavan N6XI 
 To: Marc Veeneman  
Cc: Elecraft Reflector  
 Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57
   
I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the
silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a
paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to!

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman  wrote:

> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even
> more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.
>
> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try
> snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key
> foot.
>
> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side
> movement.
>
> I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
> --
> Marc  W8SDG
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
> >
> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057.
> > This key is too light for my heavy hands.
> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
> > first shot at it.
> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
> > would want to trade.
> > Thank you
> > Gerald - KC6CNN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > KC6CNN - Gerald
> > K2 # 5486
> > K3 # 6294
> > KX3 # 757
> > --
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> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread Chortek Bob via Elecraft
I found a thin piece of neoprene works just great to keep a key in place, 
almost no matter how hard you bang on it!!!  It's like a mouse pad, only 
thinner and not as large.  A mouse pad works great, too!
My Hex has not moved in over a year, hi!!!
Bob/AA6VB
  From: Rick Tavan N6XI 
 To: Marc Veeneman  
Cc: Elecraft Reflector  
 Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57
   
I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the
silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a
paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to!

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman  wrote:

> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even
> more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.
>
> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try
> snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key
> foot.
>
> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side
> movement.
>
> I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
> --
> Marc  W8SDG
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
> >
> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057.
> > This key is too light for my heavy hands.
> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
> > first shot at it.
> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
> > would want to trade.
> > Thank you
> > Gerald - KC6CNN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > KC6CNN - Gerald
> > K2 # 5486
> > K3 # 6294
> > KX3 # 757
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the
silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a
paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to!

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman  wrote:

> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even
> more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.
>
> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try
> snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key
> foot.
>
> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side
> movement.
>
> I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
> --
> Marc  W8SDG
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
> >
> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057.
> > This key is too light for my heavy hands.
> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
> > first shot at it.
> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
> > would want to trade.
> > Thank you
> > Gerald - KC6CNN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > KC6CNN - Gerald
> > K2 # 5486
> > K3 # 6294
> > KX3 # 757
> > --
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-15 Thread Marc Veeneman
While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even more 
stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet.  

If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try 
snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key 
foot.  

It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side 
movement.

I hope this helps you, or your buyer.
-- 
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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
> 
> I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. 
> This key is too light for my heavy hands. 
> I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
> first shot at it. 
> So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
> would want to trade.
> Thank you
> Gerald - KC6CNN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> KC6CNN - Gerald
> K2 # 5486
> K3 # 6294
> KX3 # 757
> --
> View this message in context: 
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57

2015-10-14 Thread KC6CNN
I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. 
This key is too light for my heavy hands. 
I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List
first shot at it. 
So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you
would want to trade.
Thank you
Gerald - KC6CNN





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