Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
John, If you apply bias to a dynamic mic, the microphone element will be pulled off center by the bias voltage. Much the same as putting a voltage across a speaker. It *could* damage the element is the element wire is not large enough to handle the current, but with the mic element not in its neutral position, the mic may sound funny. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/18/2017 1:59 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: If you use an electret with no bias you have no audio. What happens if you use a dynamic mic with bias on such as the HC4/HC5 element in the subject line? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
If you use an electret with no bias you have no audio. What happens if you use a dynamic mic with bias on such as the HC4/HC5 element in the subject line? John KK9A From: Don Wilhelm Tue Apr 18 07:35:33 EDT 2017 "Rule of thumb" - if the microphone produces any audio at all with no bias, it should be run with no bias - it is a dynamic type. Electret elements will not produce any audio at all unless bias is turned on. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
Steve, Here are the settings I use with various Heil elements. I am currently using a Heil Proset K2/K3 with my desk K3 and a Elecraft MH2 with my "portable" K3, but have used all these combinations with success at one time or another. Your mileage may vary. 73, Bill - NA5DX Elecraft K3 Microphone and Compression Settings Heil ProSet (HC-5 element) Level Bias Mic CMP TX Equalization FP.HOff 12 24 W4TV Heil ProSet Plus (DX setting) (HC-4 element) Level Bias Mic CMP TX Equalization FP.HOff 22 24 Flat Heil ProSet Plus (Full Range setting) (HC-5 element) Level Bias Mic CMP TX Equalization FP.HOff 12 24 W4TV Heil ProSet K2/K3 (iC element) K3 5760 Level Bias Mic CMP TX Equalization FP.LOn 10 22 W4TV Elecraft MH2 (iC element) K3 8879 Level Bias Mic CMP TX Equalization FP.LOn 12 20 W4TV Transmit Equalizier Settings TX EQ # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 TX EQ Band 50 100 200 400 800 160024003200 Heil Typical-16 -14 -4 0 +2 +4 +8 +12 Heil Contest /DX-16 -16 -10 -6 +4 +6 +8 +12 K9YC-16 -16 -16 -6 0 +3 +5 +6 W4TV-16 -16 -6 0 0 +3 +5 +6 On 4/17/2017 10:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: Hi all, I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! Here's the strange part about this story. I did have a QSO with a station in North Dakota after setting up the rig, so we knew all was working. We shut off the rig and I left for home. Later in the evening, my godfather turned the K3 on and tried to transmit, but noticed that he wasn't getting any moving bars with the transmit audio. I walked him through putting the K3 into test mode, turning down the mic gain, and then turning up the mic gain while he was transmitting to find the optimum level, but we couldn't get the meter to show any response to the audio. I did the same procedure on my own K3 to make sure I was talking him through the right steps and it worked fine on mine. He did try a Heil headset with the same results. I plan to try and get up to visit again this weekend and bring a hand mic with me to try and make sure that it is definitely the K3 and not the mic. So unless I'm missing something obvious
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
"Rule of thumb" - if the microphone produces any audio at all with no bias, it should be run with no bias - it is a dynamic type. Electret elements will not produce any audio at all unless bias is turned on. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/18/2017 12:27 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Thanks, Jim. The gain setting just has to be set to HIGH. Bias off. I checked my settings here for the first time in almost seven years. You got me on that. I was thinking of the CM500 headset. Bah. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
Thanks, Jim. The gain setting just has to be set to HIGH. Bias off. I checked my settings here for the first time in almost seven years. You got me on that. I was thinking of the CM500 headset. Bah. 73, matt W6NIA On 4/17/2017 9:13 PM, Jim McDonald wrote: I have the HM10 Dual and HC4 headsets. They do NOT need the bias. I've used the HC4 with and without TXEQ; both are fine. Jim N7US Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: That depends on the mic itself. The HC4- and HC5-based mics need bias ON, but don't know about the others (HC6?). Donis correct about the gain range setting. Both elements are low output, so use HIGH. z On 4/17/2017 8:44 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: OK. And the bias setting? Thanks, Steve From: Don Wilhelm To: Steve Wilson ; "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual Steve, Heil is giving out erroneous information. The low output Heil microphones require setting the K3 mic gain range to HIGH. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/17/2017 11:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: Hi all, I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mzil...@roadrunner.com -- "A delay is better than a disaster." -- unknonwn Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
The HC4 and HC5 elements are low output dynamic types - no biasneeded. In fact, it must be off. Gus Hansen KB0YH On 4/17/2017 10:00 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: That depends on the mic itself. The HC4- and HC5-based mics need bias ON, but don't know about the others (HC6?). Donis correct about the gain range setting. Both elements are low output, so use HIGH. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
I have the HM10 Dual and HC4 headsets. They do NOT need the bias. I've used the HC4 with and without TXEQ; both are fine. Jim N7US Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: That depends on the mic itself. The HC4- and HC5-based mics need bias ON, but don't know about the others (HC6?). Donis correct about the gain range setting. Both elements are low output, so use HIGH. z > On 4/17/2017 8:44 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: > OK. And the bias setting? > Thanks, Steve > > From: Don Wilhelm > To: Steve Wilson ; "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" > > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual >Steve, > > Heil is giving out erroneous information. The low output Heil > microphones require setting the K3 mic gain range to HIGH. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 4/17/2017 11:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: >> Hi all, >> I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the >> air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: >> https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ >> Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel >> setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to >> the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting >> that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd >> ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should >> be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! > > __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
That depends on the mic itself. The HC4- and HC5-based mics need bias ON, but don't know about the others (HC6?). Donis correct about the gain range setting. Both elements are low output, so use HIGH. z On 4/17/2017 8:44 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: OK. And the bias setting? Thanks, Steve From: Don Wilhelm To: Steve Wilson ; "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual Steve, Heil is giving out erroneous information. The low output Heil microphones require setting the K3 mic gain range to HIGH. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/17/2017 11:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: Hi all, I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mzil...@roadrunner.com -- "A delay is better than a disaster." -- unknonwn Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
I may have misread the Heil webpage. Heil responded and told me to read the K3 manual. Ummm...I was. I just thought the Heil page would help clarify things. It did not, IMHO, and Elecraft couldn't help either. It would help if people, such as Heil, understood that we aren't all mic experts! This scenario kind of reminds me of the old days of supporting leased data lines when Pac Bell was responsible for the ends and AT&T in the middle. LOL! Thanks, Steve From: Don Wilhelm To: Steve Wilson ; "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual Steve, Heil is giving out erroneous information. The low output Heil microphones require setting the K3 mic gain range to HIGH. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/17/2017 11:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: > Hi all, > I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the > air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: > https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ > Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel > setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the > mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that > the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask > here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be > Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
OK. And the bias setting? Thanks, Steve From: Don Wilhelm To: Steve Wilson ; "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual Steve, Heil is giving out erroneous information. The low output Heil microphones require setting the K3 mic gain range to HIGH. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/17/2017 11:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: > Hi all, > I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the > air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: > https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ > Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel > setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the > mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that > the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask > here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be > Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
Steve, Heil is giving out erroneous information. The low output Heil microphones require setting the K3 mic gain range to HIGH. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/17/2017 11:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: Hi all, I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
I'd try Front Panel, HIGH, no bias assuming this is a dynamic microphone. In general, Heil dynamic mic elements have low output levels. 73, Lyle KK7P On 4/17/17 8:14 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft wrote: ... I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
Did you power the k3 off from the power button or by cutting power to the k3? Original message From: Steve Wilson via Elecraft Date: 2017-04-17 11:14 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual Hi all, I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! Here's the strange part about this story. I did have a QSO with a station in North Dakota after setting up the rig, so we knew all was working. We shut off the rig and I left for home. Later in the evening, my godfather turned the K3 on and tried to transmit, but noticed that he wasn't getting any moving bars with the transmit audio. I walked him through putting the K3 into test mode, turning down the mic gain, and then turning up the mic gain while he was transmitting to find the optimum level, but we couldn't get the meter to show any response to the audio. I did the same procedure on my own K3 to make sure I was talking him through the right steps and it worked fine on mine. He did try a Heil headset with the same results. I plan to try and get up to visit again this weekend and bring a hand mic with me to try and make sure that it is definitely the K3 and not the mic. So unless I'm missing something obvious, it seems like there is an issue with the K3 itself. Unfortunately, Elecraft support couldn't go beyond the same tests that I did last night. Does anyone have any suggestions short of shipping to, or dropping off the rig, at Elecraft for a thorough test? Thanks, Steve KG6HJU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 & Heil HM-10 Dual
Hi all, I setup a K3, that my godfather is borrowing, while his Kenwood is off the air. I reviewed the webpage on the Heil Sound website here: https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ Unfortunately, the page refers to the mic with regard to the front panel setting, but does not specifically refer to the mic model with respect to the mic gain and mic bias settings. I sent an email to Heil Sound suggesting that the missing detail be added for this particular mic. But thought I'd ask here, in case anyone knew the answer. I deduced that the setting should be Front Panel, Low, No Bias, but am not 100% sure about that! Here's the strange part about this story. I did have a QSO with a station in North Dakota after setting up the rig, so we knew all was working. We shut off the rig and I left for home. Later in the evening, my godfather turned the K3 on and tried to transmit, but noticed that he wasn't getting any moving bars with the transmit audio. I walked him through putting the K3 into test mode, turning down the mic gain, and then turning up the mic gain while he was transmitting to find the optimum level, but we couldn't get the meter to show any response to the audio. I did the same procedure on my own K3 to make sure I was talking him through the right steps and it worked fine on mine. He did try a Heil headset with the same results. I plan to try and get up to visit again this weekend and bring a hand mic with me to try and make sure that it is definitely the K3 and not the mic. So unless I'm missing something obvious, it seems like there is an issue with the K3 itself. Unfortunately, Elecraft support couldn't go beyond the same tests that I did last night. Does anyone have any suggestions short of shipping to, or dropping off the rig, at Elecraft for a thorough test? Thanks, Steve KG6HJU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
