[Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
Hi, (Snip) 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW K on higher wpm used also) (End Snip) PLEASE do NOT do this. Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any kind, even in a contest. Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to the noise. A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep tone and we have received word from them that a ruling is being considered. If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise. Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and not helpful. As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly set up audio out of some stations in the EU in the contest. BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend. 73's Gary VK4WT/P and NO roger beep or lid behaviour Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
I stand in defence of Alexandr on this, it was something I asked for before the first production run - I'm still having treatment for the burns - so please, accept that not everyone feels this is not a good idea (just as I would defend you for asking for wide-band Tx in VK because your band plans are different). As long as this is configurable, I don't see where the problem is. If VK decide this is unacceptable in VK, then people wont use it there. However, it is acceptable over here in G land and is used quite a lot on V/UHF - there are two factions here, those that think it helps in poor conditions, and those that think it looses you a second during the over - not come across any that feel it makes it harder or distracting - I personally quite like the idea. 73 de M0XDF -- The rung of a ladder was never meant to rest upon, but only to hold a man's foot long enough to enable him to put the other somewhat higher. -Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1995) On 6 Oct 2009, at 20:59, rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, (Snip) 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW K on higher wpm used also) (End Snip) PLEASE do NOT do this. Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any kind, even in a contest. Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to the noise. A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep tone and we have received word from them that a ruling is being considered. If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise. Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and not helpful. As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly set up audio out of some stations in the EU in the contest. BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
Gary, if something is switchable option it can be switched off (in VK-land and anywhere). We are talking about technical possibilities of K3 not about being or not being CBer. Somebody is CBer without Rbeep - you know... :-) (and I do not believe that CBer´s are buying K3´s - maybe as Rbeep missing? :-)) If this (Rbeep) can help or not - it is another discussion. I do not know - never heard this on HAM bands below 30MHz. I have only have some experience from 2m and up. Probably you are not talking about this as you mentioned EU stations ;-) GL 73! L. -dst- rfenab...@gmail.com napsal(a): Hi, (Snip) 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW K on higher wpm used also) (End Snip) PLEASE do NOT do this. Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any kind, even in a contest. Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to the noise. A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep tone and we have received word from them that a ruling is being considered. If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise. Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and not helpful. As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly set up audio out of some stations in the EU in the contest. BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend. 73's Gary VK4WT/P and NO roger beep or lid behaviour Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
(Snip) I stand in defence of Alexandr on this, it was something I asked for before the first production run - I'm still having treatment for the burns - so please, accept that not everyone feels this is not a good idea (just as I would defend you for asking for wide-band Tx in VK because your band plans are different). As long as this is configurable, I don't see where the problem is. If VK decide this is unacceptable in VK, then people wont use it there. However, it is acceptable over here in G land and is used quite a lot on V/UHF - there are two factions here, those that think it helps in poor conditions, and those that think it looses you a second during the over - not come across any that feel it makes it harder or distracting - I personally quite like the idea. 73 de M0XDF (End Snip) I do NOT support wide band modes on ssb for example, nor after market audio enhancers that take up excessive bandwidth. We too have boat anchor operators running wide band equalisers trying to sound like FM stations and they are NOT popular with a very large number of VK Hams. I have found very few operators here that view roger beeps as a good thing. The problem arises when the operator does NOT turn it off when it is not needed. To say you use it on FM/AM may be fine, BUT, the question remains, will, say in ssb, the operator remember to turn it off? 73's Gary Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
perhaps not a good term - I meant opening up the transmission freq so it will Tx on band's outside of those used in the US, for example. -- Not all those that wander are lost. -J.R.R. Tolkien, novelist and philologist (1892-1973) On 6 Oct 2009, at 21:29, rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: I do NOT support wide band modes __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
oh and here, we using on SSB v/uhf - not heard it on FM or AM -- A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. -Greek proverb On 6 Oct 2009, at 21:29, rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: The problem arises when the operator does NOT turn it off when it is not needed. To say you use it on FM/AM may be fine, BUT, the question remains, will, say in ssb, the operator remember to turn it off? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
Hi Gary Actually the worst audio I have heard is from your new VK 10 WATT hams. They either seem to be running ESSB or CB type audio with all knobs to the right! I know its tough working DX with 10 watts however that does not excuse poor operating practice. I find it amazing that your authorities who deem these stations to be learners. Yet at the same time the law allows them to transmit ESSB by doing mods to their radios? This should be illegal for beginners. I wonder why your authorities think that its ok for a station that knows nothing about transmitters, and then allows them to removed SSB filters and transmit SSB in 6khz? This is stupid to say the least. Here in Europe most countries have 2.7khz SSB bandwidth limit. If I was running 10 watts the last thing I would be doing is using ESSB to work DX. I could probably work most of these 10 watt stations on 7mhz SSB if they did not run ESSB. But it seems to be a thing that the new hams seems to love in VK? I wish some of these 10 watt stations would share some of their antenna engineering skills with the ham community. I have never heard so many loud 10 watt stations. Even in the hey day of 10 watt licenses in Japan during the peak of the solar cycle they were never so loud! When a station can work you long path on 7mhz with 10 watts and a dipole at 10 meters with a S9 signal you take notice Hi John --- On Tue, 10/6/09, rfenab...@gmail.com rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: From: rfenab...@gmail.com rfenab...@gmail.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep To: Elecraft Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 12:59 PM Hi, (Snip) 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW K on higher wpm used also) (End Snip) PLEASE do NOT do this. Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any kind, even in a contest. Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to the noise. A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep tone and we have received word from them that a ruling is being considered. If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise. Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and not helpful. As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly set up audio out of some stations in the EU in the contest. BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend. 73's Gary VK4WT/P and NO roger beep or lid behaviour Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
I stand in defence of Alexandr on this, it was something I asked for before the first production run - I'm still having treatment for the burns - so please, accept that not everyone feels this is not a good idea (just as I would defend you for asking for wide-band Tx in VK because your band plans are different). ... and I strongly support Gary on this. Roger beeps and other CB- like activities are so antithetical to good amateur operation that transceivers should not even include the option to enable them. If an operator want to be a lid that badly they should be required to separately purchase and install the hardware necessary to do so. There is a reason that no reputable manufacturer of amateur rigs has ever provided a roger beep option on HF transceivers - or having done so one time has immediately discontinued it in future products. That this operation is on V/UHF is no justification for liddish behavior. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:13 PM To: rfenab...@gmail.com Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep I stand in defence of Alexandr on this, it was something I asked for before the first production run - I'm still having treatment for the burns - so please, accept that not everyone feels this is not a good idea (just as I would defend you for asking for wide-band Tx in VK because your band plans are different). As long as this is configurable, I don't see where the problem is. If VK decide this is unacceptable in VK, then people wont use it there. However, it is acceptable over here in G land and is used quite a lot on V/UHF - there are two factions here, those that think it helps in poor conditions, and those that think it looses you a second during the over - not come across any that feel it makes it harder or distracting - I personally quite like the idea. 73 de M0XDF -- The rung of a ladder was never meant to rest upon, but only to hold a man's foot long enough to enable him to put the other somewhat higher. -Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1995) On 6 Oct 2009, at 20:59, rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, (Snip) 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW K on higher wpm used also) (End Snip) PLEASE do NOT do this. Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any kind, even in a contest. Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to the noise. A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep tone and we have received word from them that a ruling is being considered. If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise. Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and not helpful. As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly set up audio out of some stations in the EU in the contest. BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 1750Hz Roger beep
(Snip) Actually the worst audio I have heard is from your new VK 10 WATT hams. They either seem to be running ESSB or CB type audio with all knobs to the right! I know its tough working DX with 10 watts however that does not excuse poor operating practice. I find it amazing that your authorities who deem these stations to be learners. Yet at the same time the law allows them to transmit ESSB by doing mods to their radios? This should be illegal for beginners. I wonder why your authorities think that its ok for a station that knows nothing about transmitters, and then allows them to removed SSB filters and transmit SSB in 6khz? This is stupid to say the least. Here in Europe most countries have 2.7khz SSB bandwidth limit. If I was running 10 watts the last thing I would be doing is using ESSB to work DX. I could probably work most of these 10 watt stations on 7mhz SSB if they did not run ESSB. But it seems to be a thing that the new hams seems to love in VK? I wish some of these 10 watt stations would share some of their antenna engineering skills with the ham community. I have never heard so many loud 10 watt stations. Even in the hey day of 10 watt licenses in Japan during the peak of the solar cycle they were never so loud! When a station can work you long path on 7mhz with 10 watts and a dipole at 10 meters with a S9 signal you take notice Hi John (End Snip) Could not agree more. NO...it IS ILLEGAL for these operators to run more than 10 watts, and also illegal to modify a radio. If only we could get foreign based information on the operators using ESSB and suspect power levels to pass on to ACMA (our regulator) it would be helpful?...(:-)) My comment on ssb audio was based on quite a large number of contesters during the Oceania DX contest this past weekend and the vast majority of these signals came out of Eastern Europe. Please do make the leap to think I am being critical of any country OR the huge number of quality sigs heard from ALL over the world. I am referring to about 30 odd stations that had audio that was difficult to understand fully on ssb ok? I am not trying, or intending. To offend anyone, there are many great sounding stations from all over the world and I get great pleasure in talking to them. We have had ACMA pull a few F-call (4 letter suffixes only) licences this year for running excessive power levels. We have some issues in VK and I would never deny this. As an aside...I hope my K3 sounds superb...(GRIN and tongue is firmly pressed into my cheek) Gary Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
Joe, That this operation is on V/UHF is no justification for liddish behavior. I'm sorry to say so, but this sounds like an emotional opinion based on the (US ?) relation between CB and roger beeps. There is absolute no reason why someone is not allowed to use is. Liddish behavior is something done by a person, not by technological possibilities. Just my opinion 73's, Evert PA2KW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz Roger beep
What's wrong with just asking the fellow why he's transmitting a beep? If he says it's for my benefit or enjoyment, I'd ask him if he can turn it off, at least for our QSO. If enough people did that, one might realize it has limited appeal. If he gets angry and QRTs... well, that's one way of turning it off, Hi! Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
I'm with you. If I wanted to talk on CB I wouldn't have taken all the time to learn morse code in the first place. Well, either that or I would just get on the VHF/UHF bands... NO ROGER BEEPS.. PLEASE for the love of To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net From: rfenab...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:59:34 + Subject: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep Hi, (Snip) 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW K on higher wpm used also) (End Snip) PLEASE do NOT do this. Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any kind, even in a contest. Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to the noise. A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep tone and we have received word from them that a ruling is being considered. If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise. Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and not helpful. As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly set up audio out of some stations in the EU in the contest. BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend. 73's Gary VK4WT/P and NO roger beep or lid behaviour Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
(Snip) I'm not suggesting it's use on HF, I have an XV144 and would use this on 2M SSB. I think something that guys in the US perhaps don't appreciate is that over in the UK, CB'rs don't have the same bad reputation as they appear to over there. In fact a lot are now taking exams and getting licenses and they are mostly good ops too. Well behaved etc. And no, I'm not one of them, before you jump to conclusions. I don't understand what is liddish about this, we aren’t talking about long jingles or anything like that - just a very short tone as the PTT comes off. And yes, we could buy the hardware to do this for us, or use one of the software programs that do it, but I use a Mac and haven't seen any that do for OSX. And I'm not alone in using (or wanting to use) this feature, it's quite prevalent in the EU. In poor VHF conditions, on 2M SSB over many 100s of KM (occasionally over 1000Km), it can be difficult to even hear the other op, that's alone know when they have passed it over, the tone helps with that. -- 73 de M0XDF (End Snip) I see a problem with HF, 2m ssb weak signal work may be different. Perhaps it can help during ssb on 2m, but I would suggest that once the tone(s) are activated the operator may intentionally or not, continue to tx these tones for all transmissionsPandora's Box springs to mind? Personally, and I have the right to express my opinion do I not?, I do not support ssb phone as a mode where a roger beep is either allowed or tolerated. We are experimenters and as such we push the envelope in all facets of this great hobby and there are those who simply enjoy the thrill of working another station many miles or kilometres away and surely we can get by without the use of roger beep style of operating. We here in VK have operators (full call privileges included) who se the roger beeps on HF, for example we hear one regularly on 30M sob phone and listening to him I have noticed he puts out many calls with no response on an open band. I wonder how he would go if he turned the roger beep off?...perhaps I should ask him? I went up 5Khz and placed one CQ and spent the next hour enjoying a good number of contacts. When I periodically went to the frequency he was using I found him still calling CQ...perhaps I am not a voice in the wilderness...(:-) Gary VK4WT/P in the Motorhome Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
I'm sorry to say so, but this sounds like an emotional opinion based on the (US ?) relation between CB and roger beeps. While it is certainly emotional, it is not based on any relationship between CB and roger beeps other than that it migrated from CB to CB-like HF operators. Don't think that my hatred is limited only to roger beeps ... I also despise the audio echo boxes, phase boxes, presence processors, compellors and other audio quality destroying devices that have been brought to HF. For those who use such devices, losing one's license it too easy a penalty. Such lids should be incarcerated if such punishment were possible. There is nothing except entertainment value in the roger beeps and other audio tricks. They provide NO enhancement to the communication. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Evert Bakker (PA2KW) Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:33 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep Joe, That this operation is on V/UHF is no justification for liddish behavior. I'm sorry to say so, but this sounds like an emotional opinion based on the (US ?) relation between CB and roger beeps. There is absolute no reason why someone is not allowed to use is. Liddish behavior is something done by a person, not by technological possibilities. Just my opinion 73's, Evert PA2KW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep [Thread has been ENDed]
Guys - This topic is CLOSED. Eric Elecraft Moderator Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I'm sorry to say so, but this sounds like an emotional opinion based on the (US ?) relation between CB and roger beeps. While it is certainly emotional, it is not based on any relationship between CB and roger beeps other than that it migrated from CB to CB-like HF operators. Don't think that my hatred is limited only to roger beeps ... I also despise the audio echo boxes, phase boxes, presence processors, compellors and other audio quality destroying devices that have been brought to HF. For those who use such devices, losing one's license it too easy a penalty. Such lids should be incarcerated if such punishment were possible. There is nothing except entertainment value in the roger beeps and other audio tricks. They provide NO enhancement to the communication. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Evert Bakker (PA2KW) Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:33 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep Joe, That this operation is on V/UHF is no justification for liddish behavior. I'm sorry to say so, but this sounds like an emotional opinion based on the (US ?) relation between CB and roger beeps. There is absolute no reason why someone is not allowed to use is. Liddish behavior is something done by a person, not by technological possibilities. Just my opinion 73's, Evert PA2KW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
In a recent message, rfenab...@gmail.com writes I think something that guys in the US perhaps don't appreciate is that over in the UK, CB'rs don't have the same bad reputation as they appear to over there. CBers certainly have a bad reputation in this part of Great Britain, as do also most of the 2 metre FM operators many of whom have attempted to progress to amateur radio. A Roger beep would only encourage people not to use their call sign at the end of each transmission. Gosh, the standard of operating is bad enough without making matters worst. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
