Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
And with that note - let's end this thread in the interest of maintaining a reasonable list SNR. 73, Eric Mooderator /elecraft.com/ On 6/4/2019 12:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote: Possibly, but then you won't have to read the bellyaching about how it wasn't made the way someone wanted. There's always a silver lining :) Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
James-K8JHR (who I do not know but whose research on headsets and mics I greatly appreciate reading) asked some detailed and pointed questions, all reasonable IMO, in consideration of the offer to prospective K4 owners to advance significant funds for product development and in return a place in a sales queue. Wouldn't a bank's commercial lending officer ask such questions if a business were seeking a commercial loan from them? As a 50 year career banker, I can assure you that he/she indeed would. In this situation you are the lender and giving an interest free loan with no promise of anything other than a queue position. I owned an K3 from its 2007/2008 beginnings until four years ago. When I sold my K3 (for numerous reasons), I also left this list in part because of the frequent snippy and defense comments that seemed to emerge anytime anything difficult, critical or probing was posted here. I see not much has changed. Enjoy your K4's. Save your flames. I'm moving on ... again. Cheers, N1LQ-David __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
Possibly, but then you won't have to read the bellyaching about how it wasn't made the way someone wanted. There's always a silver lining :) Gary > Yes, but I might die before it ships. > > Doug > > "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its > limits." Albert Einstein > > -Original Message- > > > No one will die if it ships late. Period. > > flame away.. Mike > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g...@ka1j.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
Yes, but I might die before it ships. Doug "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -Original Message- No one will die if it ships late. Period. flame away.. Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
Having worked a very long and hard career in the Hardware, Software and the Solution/Appliance department, the short story is that it will be shipped when it is ready and not before. The dates are a soft target. Always. This isn't the latest Apple iPhone. it is a highly complicated device built in small numbers (again, based on something like an iPhone). Companies like Elecraft and others do this because they love the technology and giving back. I guarantee that no one is getting rich on it. if so, the Elecraft Lear Jet would be parked in Dayton in May. Pushing something out the door early can cause supportability issues and that causes increased costs for the actual product and that means the customer pays more. And, we all know how cheap hams are. No one works for free and this is a hobby. Everyone has a life to live and other higher priorities. No one will die if it ships late. Period. flame away.. Mike On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:57 AM rich hurd WC3T wrote: > I’m amazed at the amount of detail some list members expect from Elecraft > for their new products. Good Lord. This isn’t a lifesaving piece of > hardware, it’s a radio. > > To all the Veruca Salts on the list, I say “Relax.” > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 21:36 Richards wrote: > > > > > What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what > > features are already developed and cast in stone? > > > > Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure > > be viable and fully functional on the first production units? > > > > How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and > > advance a capital development loan? > > > > Will all three models be available in the first production run? > > > > Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long > > until the second run? > > > > How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data? > > > > K8JHR > > > > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40°45.68' N 75°17.33' W) Grid: > *FN20is* > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
I’m amazed at the amount of detail some list members expect from Elecraft for their new products. Good Lord. This isn’t a lifesaving piece of hardware, it’s a radio. To all the Veruca Salts on the list, I say “Relax.” On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 21:36 Richards wrote: > > What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what > features are already developed and cast in stone? > > Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure > be viable and fully functional on the first production units? > > How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and > advance a capital development loan? > > Will all three models be available in the first production run? > > Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long > until the second run? > > How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data? > > K8JHR > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40°45.68' N 75°17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
Good grief! This is computer hardware and software. A business where “before end of year” really means 2 hours before midnight. And the “First Quarter” runs until May or June. Don’t look for all the features to be fully implemented on first delivered radios. Even the K3S is still a work in progress! About “Production Runs” Elecraft is a small company. They will prob build 25 or so radios for field testers. This will allow some training for the small staff of assemblers. Once they are satisfied with the product, they will begin assembling the first radios. These builders are not robots. But humans who must go thru the process of building a kit, without the “assembly manual” and it takes time. Once built, it goes to the burnin rack where it will sit for up to 24 hours being tested and evaluated. Now to packing and shipping. This “run”, one radio. The first week may see a dozen radios out the door. It slowly grows from here. I’ve waited in line for a KX3, a PX3, and K3S. I visited the “plant” a few years ago and spoke with a K3 builder. He said he could build a K3 in under an hour. But he’d built maybe a thousand by then. And the parts were all there in bins around his work area. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:30 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > > You're asking for concrete answers to questions Elecraft has already stated > for the most part are not yet final. Stuff like that is what makes companies > wait until everything is nailed down before saying anything. They said > November was the target, and they called it a target because everything ISN'T > nailed down yet (they NEVER called it a "promise"). How is that not pretty > clear? > > Dave AB7E > > > >> On 6/3/2019 6:36 PM, Richards wrote: >> >> What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what >> features are already developed and cast in stone? >> >> Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure be >> viable and fully functional on the first production units? >> >> How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and >> advance a capital development loan? >> >> Will all three models be available in the first production run? >> >> Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long >> until the second run? >> >> How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data? >> >> K8JHR >> >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
You're asking for concrete answers to questions Elecraft has already stated for the most part are not yet final. Stuff like that is what makes companies wait until everything is nailed down before saying anything. They said November was the target, and they called it a target because everything ISN'T nailed down yet (they NEVER called it a "promise"). How is that not pretty clear? Dave AB7E On 6/3/2019 6:36 PM, Richards wrote: What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what features are already developed and cast in stone? Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure be viable and fully functional on the first production units? How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and advance a capital development loan? Will all three models be available in the first production run? Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long until the second run? How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data? K8JHR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis
What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what features are already developed and cast in stone? Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure be viable and fully functional on the first production units? How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and advance a capital development loan? Will all three models be available in the first production run? Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long until the second run? How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data? K8JHR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
