Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software progress
Hi Wayne, I appreciate that update. The latest I heard is maybe 18 months old or so, so already this is significant update for me. Updates will be appreciated as they come. Just seeing progress on the items needed to be complete is encouragement and progress, even if it does not give a date for beta-testing beyond what I can do with guestimate. I see great potential with that ethernet connection in the back, and being a network guy doing audio and video streaming over packets (and others) for a living, I just look forward for it to move take the step. Also, it's an awesome radio with so many things in it from start, I just love to have the remote handling fully in the box. That and the HD option is for sure what I look forward to. It was also with that background I made the comments I did. Then, down the line after releasing remote handling, IPv6 support eventually needs to happen, as we soon enter into where that starts to dominate. Let the team know that we look forward to test their work, be the test dummies and provide feedback from the field. Keep up the good work! 73 de SA0MAD Magnus On 8/17/22 01:34, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi Magnus, I can't put a date on full remote control yet, but I can tell you that the entire team is working on it. We recently completed two important pieces of the implementation -- streaming panadapter data protocol, and internal audio streaming paths. (The latter was needed both for remote and for the DVR (RX and TX. DVR for TX came out some time ago, but we're now almost finished with DVR for RX.) What's left is audio streaming support and radio-to-radio meta level control protocol. We'll post periodic progress reports. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 16, 2022, at 5:01 AM, Magnus Danielson via Elecraft wrote: Hi all, I am wondering about the K4 remote software progress. I just do not seem to find anything. At the same time I want to make sure there is good and robust methods doing it. There is both the HTTP/3 and RIST methods, both public standards and already tested and available in open source. They also carry with them suitable secure methods to be used. I used to sit on the RIST committee and my company even payed for the RIST implementation within FFMPEG. The two methods have different benefits. We've already made a test implementation for remote operation over existing HTTP/3 just within a browser Window. Anyway, already a Linux remote would work well. As alrways preferably packaged as Debian packages. Cheers, Magnus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software progress
Hi Magnus, I can't put a date on full remote control yet, but I can tell you that the entire team is working on it. We recently completed two important pieces of the implementation -- streaming panadapter data protocol, and internal audio streaming paths. (The latter was needed both for remote and for the DVR (RX and TX. DVR for TX came out some time ago, but we're now almost finished with DVR for RX.) What's left is audio streaming support and radio-to-radio meta level control protocol. We'll post periodic progress reports. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 16, 2022, at 5:01 AM, Magnus Danielson via Elecraft > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am wondering about the K4 remote software progress. I just do not seem to > find anything. > > At the same time I want to make sure there is good and robust methods doing > it. There is both the HTTP/3 and RIST methods, both public standards and > already tested and available in open source. They also carry with them > suitable secure methods to be used. I used to sit on the RIST committee and > my company even payed for the RIST implementation within FFMPEG. > > The two methods have different benefits. We've already made a test > implementation for remote operation over existing HTTP/3 just within a > browser Window. > > Anyway, already a Linux remote would work well. As alrways preferably > packaged as Debian packages. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K4 remote software progress
Hi all, I am wondering about the K4 remote software progress. I just do not seem to find anything. At the same time I want to make sure there is good and robust methods doing it. There is both the HTTP/3 and RIST methods, both public standards and already tested and available in open source. They also carry with them suitable secure methods to be used. I used to sit on the RIST committee and my company even payed for the RIST implementation within FFMPEG. The two methods have different benefits. We've already made a test implementation for remote operation over existing HTTP/3 just within a browser Window. Anyway, already a Linux remote would work well. As alrways preferably packaged as Debian packages. Cheers, Magnus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Waiting for Elecraft to finally get they supply of Kyber Crystal's. Cannot wait to see Wayne demonstrating the mini light Saber at Dayton this year. Will finally be able to remotely eliminate the equipment of the "tuner uppers" during nets. Way to go Master council member Madolyn, masters Wayne, Eric and the whole crew On Friday, December 24, 2021, 10:20:05 AM EST, Chris R. NW6V wrote: Wayne said: "Did I mention we're also working on a DX tractor beam?" No secret there - the attraction from Elecraft is very strong... 73 - Merry Xmas - and HNY Chris NW6V DDddd-dddDD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to backhoe...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Wayne said: "Did I mention we're also working on a DX tractor beam?" No secret there - the attraction from Elecraft is very strong... 73 - Merry Xmas - and HNY Chris NW6V DDddd-dddDD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
I heard that one of the major competitors is working on TSFoldDX mode. They fold space and time so that you can just talk to the DX face to face and hand the QSL card over in person. Sadly, that was put on hold due to Covid concerns. They had it working briefly about 10 years ago, but the development of the pocket Nuclear power pack is a bit of an issue since the Fukushima problem. Caused incidentally by another unexpected aspect of folding time and space from a planet based point of view! (But you didn't hear that from me!...) Seasons Greetings, Happy New Year etc, and GD DX to All. (Though we might be swiped by another solar event today, wrecking the ionosphere for some, but causing some nice lights in the sky for others perhaps.) 73. Dave G8KBV KX3 #4208 PS: As I believe the K4 uses a Linux based embedded computer. The options for remote control are many and vast. Some even will work with a Windows based client. I've not even seen a K4 let alone got hands on one, but if not already present (I could not see reference of such in the preliminary user or remote software control manuals) it should not be beyond possible to have a small web server built into it's system with proper security features (certificate based authentication and encryption) that you could connect to with any existing web browser to gain a full and secure virtual front panel remotely. Or, a "K4Remote" tool, written in Java (or other cross platform environment) that would run on Windows, Mac or other Linux machines, to connect to your K4, and provide a full remote front panel and audio etc. The difficulty with all of them is not the remote control, or front panel updates, but passing audio and other time critical data (CW key etc) with minimum latency. 73. On 24/12/2021 05:56, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 20:22:37 -0800 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Gerry Hull > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software? > Message-ID: <306020c4-3fad-4931-b98f-557327e8f...@elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > We considered offering a faster-than-light option for the virtual-K4 > software: the EleWarp(tm). But it turned out that, thanks to supply chain > issues, we can?t get dilithium crystals until 2023. Until then our CW ops > will have to be content with full-impulse. > > (Did I mention we?re also working on a DX tractor beam?) > > Wayne > N6KR -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Nahh, we don't need all the subspace chatter :).
- Jerry KF6VB
p.s. Now let's see who knows their star trek :).
On 2021-12-23 11:11, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
Wayne, perhaps you could just offer a transverter for Subspace Radio as
a
future option…
73 de W0ZF
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 10:23 PM Wayne Burdick
wrote:
We considered offering a faster-than-light option for the virtual-K4
software: the EleWarp(tm). But it turned out that, thanks to supply
chain
issues, we can’t get dilithium crystals until 2023. Until then our CW
ops
will have to be content with full-impulse.
(Did I mention we’re also working on a DX tractor beam?)
Wayne
N6KR
elecraft.com
> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>
>
> FB Wayne!! Can't wait. I hope the latency will be far better than
some (I won't mention) other radios.
> GL to the team. Thanks for all the hard work! Happy Holidays!
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA
> CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
> RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
> ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Wayne Burdick
wrote:
>> Hi Gerry,
>>
>> The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the
digital voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to
streaming audio over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No
virtual
>> > front panel?
>> >
>> > What's the plan?
>> >
>> > Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA
>> > CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
>> > RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
>> > ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Wayne, perhaps you could just offer a transverter for Subspace Radio as a
future option…
73 de W0ZF
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 10:23 PM Wayne Burdick wrote:
> We considered offering a faster-than-light option for the virtual-K4
> software: the EleWarp(tm). But it turned out that, thanks to supply chain
> issues, we can’t get dilithium crystals until 2023. Until then our CW ops
> will have to be content with full-impulse.
>
> (Did I mention we’re also working on a DX tractor beam?)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> elecraft.com
>
> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> >
> >
> > FB Wayne!! Can't wait. I hope the latency will be far better than
> some (I won't mention) other radios.
> > GL to the team. Thanks for all the hard work! Happy Holidays!
> >
> > Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA
> > CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
> > RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
> > ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Wayne Burdick
> wrote:
> >> Hi Gerry,
> >>
> >> The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the
> digital voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to
> streaming audio over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Wayne
> >> N6KR
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No
> virtual
> >> > front panel?
> >> >
> >> > What's the plan?
> >> >
> >> > Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA
> >> > CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
> >> > RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
> >> > ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct
> feeds
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Bwah ha ha ha ha!! That is hilarious! Well done, Wayne! Wel Done! Clay KY5G On 12/22/2021 10:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: We considered offering a faster-than-light option for the virtual-K4 software: the EleWarp(tm). But it turned out that, thanks to supply chain issues, we can’t get dilithium crystals until 2023. Until then our CW ops will have to be content with full-impulse. (Did I mention we’re also working on a DX tractor beam?) Wayne N6KR elecraft.com On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: FB Wayne!! Can't wait. I hope the latency will be far better than some (I won't mention) other radios. GL to the team. Thanks for all the hard work! Happy Holidays! Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
We considered offering a faster-than-light option for the virtual-K4 software:
the EleWarp(tm). But it turned out that, thanks to supply chain issues, we
can’t get dilithium crystals until 2023. Until then our CW ops will have to be
content with full-impulse.
(Did I mention we’re also working on a DX tractor beam?)
Wayne
N6KR
elecraft.com
> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>
>
> FB Wayne!! Can't wait. I hope the latency will be far better than some (I
> won't mention) other radios.
> GL to the team. Thanks for all the hard work! Happy Holidays!
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA
> CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
> RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
> ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi Gerry,
>>
>> The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the
>> digital voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to
>> streaming audio over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No virtual
>> > front panel?
>> >
>> > What's the plan?
>> >
>> > Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA
>> > CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
>> > RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
>> > ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Works great, Fred, if you have very low latency to W7RN. Sending winkey over the wire and generating the CW @ the station has always been flawless for me... but that works for you, and that's awesome. There is no one solution: it's always a systems problem. 73, Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 9:54 PM Fred Jensen wrote: > As a proponent of the "Regardless of the MTBF of each part, put enough > on the rocket and something will always be broken," I opt for fewer is > better, especially if software/firmware is involved. I key W7RN > remotely from my local Winkey on Pin 4 of the I/O connector on the back > of the RRC-1258. It is the direct key line to the remote radio, > bypassing emulations of keyers, control of remote interfaces/remote > Winkeys, and the like. My keying, monitored off the air on my P3 and K2 > at home looks and sounds perfect ... all the time. Well other than > operator-caused errors. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > Gerry Hull wrote on 12/22/2021 4:44 PM: > > As of today, the combo of the K3s + Mirobit RRC boxes rocks the remote > > world. That's not just my humble opinion, its a proven fact via results. > > In fact, many bypass the audio built into other systems and use RRC boxes > > to mitigate these issues. > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ge...@w1ve.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
As a proponent of the "Regardless of the MTBF of each part, put enough on the rocket and something will always be broken," I opt for fewer is better, especially if software/firmware is involved. I key W7RN remotely from my local Winkey on Pin 4 of the I/O connector on the back of the RRC-1258. It is the direct key line to the remote radio, bypassing emulations of keyers, control of remote interfaces/remote Winkeys, and the like. My keying, monitored off the air on my P3 and K2 at home looks and sounds perfect ... all the time. Well other than operator-caused errors. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County Gerry Hull wrote on 12/22/2021 4:44 PM: As of today, the combo of the K3s + Mirobit RRC boxes rocks the remote world. That's not just my humble opinion, its a proven fact via results. In fact, many bypass the audio built into other systems and use RRC boxes to mitigate these issues. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
Hi Jim, I've been doing remote ham radio in serious contest stations for about 10 years now... Though is wasn't me, the guys at ZF1A achieved a 433-QSO-per hour CW rate on remote, using a K3 and Microbit RRC boxes. On non-ideal Internet paths, I typically reach 175+ hour rates on CW. This is not to brag -- it is to illusttate that overall latency in Internet remote operation is really not a factor in well-designed systems. Like you say, Jim, there are many things that contribute to overall latency. In a previous life, i worked in broadcast TV video and audio systems, on the Windows platform. Audio latency was there, but mitigated by proper techniques. The so-called, self-proclaimed "leader" in remote amateur radiio systems has serious problems with latency -- so bad that I've had to resort to using third-party, open source audio software with very low latency to overcome issues. As of today, the combo of the K3s + Mirobit RRC boxes rocks the remote world. That's not just my humble opinion, its a proven fact via results. In fact, many bypass the audio built into other systems and use RRC boxes to mitigate these issues. I'm just hoping the excellent Elecraft engineering team can approach the same level of performance in the V4 remote. 73, Gerry W1VE On Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:45 PM Jim Brown wrote: > On 12/22/2021 1:31 PM, Rich Lim via Elecraft wrote: > > Solve the latency issue and we all hit the jackpot! > > We can't "solve" the latency issue, we can only minimize it. Latency in > any system is the sum of the latencies of all parts of the path. The > parts of it under Elecraft's control are those associated with their > hardware, signal processing, and control software, and how much > information must be transmitted to accomplish remote operation. Most of > the latency in most systems is the signal path outside our electronics. > In pro sound reinforcement, it's the path of sound waves through the air > from loudspeakers to performers and the audience. In our RC systems, > it's the path through "the cloud." > > 73, Jim K9YC > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ge...@w1ve.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
On 12/22/2021 1:31 PM, Rich Lim via Elecraft wrote: Solve the latency issue and we all hit the jackpot! We can't "solve" the latency issue, we can only minimize it. Latency in any system is the sum of the latencies of all parts of the path. The parts of it under Elecraft's control are those associated with their hardware, signal processing, and control software, and how much information must be transmitted to accomplish remote operation. Most of the latency in most systems is the signal path outside our electronics. In pro sound reinforcement, it's the path of sound waves through the air from loudspeakers to performers and the audience. In our RC systems, it's the path through "the cloud." 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Excellent! Solve the latency issue and we all hit the jackpot!
Curious Wayne, do you have a stand alone hardware solution on the opposite end
of the remoted K4 station planned? It would be great to have something like the
old K3/0 but for the K4 complete w/ Paddle plug in and headphone outputs.
RichKQ9L
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 03:20:10 PM CST, Wayne Burdick
wrote:
Hi Gerry,
The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the digital
voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to streaming audio
over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
73,
Wayne
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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>
> I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No virtual
> front panel?
>
> What's the plan?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
FB Wayne!! Can't wait. I hope the latency will be far better than some
(I won't mention) other radios.
GL to the team. Thanks for all the hard work! Happy Holidays!
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi Gerry,
>
> The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the
> digital voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to
> streaming audio over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> >
> > I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No
> virtual
> > front panel?
> >
> > What's the plan?
> >
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Hi Gerry,
The Virtual K4 software ("VK4") is coming along. Now that we have the digital
voice recorder up and running, we're turning our attention to streaming audio
over ethernet, which is required for VK4.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
> On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>
> I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No virtual
> front panel?
>
> What's the plan?
>
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[Elecraft] K4 Remote Software?
I don't see anything about K4 remote software? Is there none? No virtual front panel? What's the plan? Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA ARCluster dxc.w1ve.com | Telnet or telnet:7373 access | RBN direct feeds __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
The word that comes to mind for me is Osborne. But Elecraft didn’t have sales of the K3S halt as soon as they announced the K4. Indeed, the K4 has taken much longer than anticipated to ship, and supply issues have brought an end to much of the K3(S) product line. I’m sure there is much more K3(S) kit they could sell if only they were available. > On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > > One word: Borland. Local (to Elecraft) techies know their story. > > 73 Eric WD6DBM > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 6:57 AM Dave wrote: > >> Bob >> >> I’ll chime in. >> >> If a company gives a forecasted ship date and misses the mark for any >> reason, including unforeseen circumstances that company would be “burned at >> the stake”. I have seen it before. So with COVID-19 the big wildcard, it >> is virtually impossible to predict any long term forecast. >> >> Some hams treat a projected date as written in stone. >> >> Dave wo2x >> >> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. >> >>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:04 AM, K5WA wrote: >>> >>> After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say >> Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for >> the K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote >> software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from >> 3rd parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually >> have their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve >> been planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have to switch >> gears and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to have it >> installed this year. >>> >>> >>> >>> On the K4 delivery issue, since the Group 1 purchasers are a known lot, >> it seems that any group that is full and finite should be able to be given >> a number (maybe even the actual/projected S/N) so that, for example, as >> people on this reflector announce that they received S/N 25 and your number >> was 50, you’d have a clue that your rig was getting close. Ideally, with >> supply chains running smoothly, Elecraft could show their production >> projections by S/N or at least an estimated units per week forecast as they >> ramp up. I realize the exact S/N may change due to special circumstances, >> but at least we’d have a ballpark pecking order of when to sit at the >> mailbox looking down the street (longingly) for a delivery truck. I’m not >> aware of a downside to letting folks know their actual or approximate spot >> in line. We all know Gavin Newsome and Dr. Faucci have the largest >> influence on delivery dates but I’d sure like to have a wee bit more >> transparency from Elecraft about our investment. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know there will be folks telling me to sit tight (as I have for the >> last 15+ months), they’re coming, but since late August is still the >> announced best guess for first production shipments, Elecraft surely has >> internal forecasts by now that could be parceled out to folks on the >> waiting list. Heck, I’ll even volunteer to be the body that tabulates the >> list if Elecraft wants to put me to work. (I’m guessing there are 500-1000 >> units in Group 1?) >>> >>> >>> >>> Semi-patiently waiting, >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob K5WA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rocke...@gmail.com >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to norrislawfi...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aa...@arrl.net Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
Starfish ... ;>) - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Eric Norris > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:28 > To: Dave > Cc: K5WA ; elecraft@mailman qth. net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question > > One word: Borland. Local (to Elecraft) techies know their story. > > 73 Eric WD6DBM > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 6:57 AM Dave wrote: > > > Bob > > > > I’ll chime in. > > > > If a company gives a forecasted ship date and misses the mark for any > > reason, including unforeseen circumstances that company would be > > “burned at the stake”. I have seen it before. So with COVID-19 the > > big wildcard, it is virtually impossible to predict any long term forecast. > > > > Some hams treat a projected date as written in stone. > > > > Dave wo2x > > > > Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > > > > > On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:04 AM, K5WA wrote: > > > > > > After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him > > > say > > Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software > > for the K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own > > remote software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available > from > > 3rd parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually > > have their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so > > I’ve been planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have > > to switch gears and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to > > have it installed this year. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the K4 delivery issue, since the Group 1 purchasers are a known > > > lot, > > it seems that any group that is full and finite should be able to be > > given a number (maybe even the actual/projected S/N) so that, for > > example, as people on this reflector announce that they received S/N > > 25 and your number was 50, you’d have a clue that your rig was getting > > close. Ideally, with supply chains running smoothly, Elecraft could > > show their production projections by S/N or at least an estimated > > units per week forecast as they ramp up. I realize the exact S/N may > > change due to special circumstances, but at least we’d have a ballpark > > pecking order of when to sit at the mailbox looking down the street > > (longingly) for a delivery truck. I’m not aware of a downside to > > letting folks know their actual or approximate spot in line. We all > > know Gavin Newsome and Dr. Faucci have the largest influence on > > delivery dates but I’d sure like to have a wee bit more transparency from > Elecraft about our investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know there will be folks telling me to sit tight (as I have for > > > the > > last 15+ months), they’re coming, but since late August is still the > > announced best guess for first production shipments, Elecraft surely > > has internal forecasts by now that could be parceled out to folks on > > the waiting list. Heck, I’ll even volunteer to be the body that > > tabulates the list if Elecraft wants to put me to work. (I’m guessing > > there are 500-1000 units in Group 1?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Semi-patiently waiting, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob K5WA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > rocke...@gmail.com > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > norrislawfi...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to mike.flow...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
One word: Borland. Local (to Elecraft) techies know their story. 73 Eric WD6DBM On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 6:57 AM Dave wrote: > Bob > > I’ll chime in. > > If a company gives a forecasted ship date and misses the mark for any > reason, including unforeseen circumstances that company would be “burned at > the stake”. I have seen it before. So with COVID-19 the big wildcard, it > is virtually impossible to predict any long term forecast. > > Some hams treat a projected date as written in stone. > > Dave wo2x > > Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > > > On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:04 AM, K5WA wrote: > > > > After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say > Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for > the K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote > software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from > 3rd parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually > have their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve > been planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have to switch > gears and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to have it > installed this year. > > > > > > > > On the K4 delivery issue, since the Group 1 purchasers are a known lot, > it seems that any group that is full and finite should be able to be given > a number (maybe even the actual/projected S/N) so that, for example, as > people on this reflector announce that they received S/N 25 and your number > was 50, you’d have a clue that your rig was getting close. Ideally, with > supply chains running smoothly, Elecraft could show their production > projections by S/N or at least an estimated units per week forecast as they > ramp up. I realize the exact S/N may change due to special circumstances, > but at least we’d have a ballpark pecking order of when to sit at the > mailbox looking down the street (longingly) for a delivery truck. I’m not > aware of a downside to letting folks know their actual or approximate spot > in line. We all know Gavin Newsome and Dr. Faucci have the largest > influence on delivery dates but I’d sure like to have a wee bit more > transparency from Elecraft about our investment. > > > > > > > > I know there will be folks telling me to sit tight (as I have for the > last 15+ months), they’re coming, but since late August is still the > announced best guess for first production shipments, Elecraft surely has > internal forecasts by now that could be parceled out to folks on the > waiting list. Heck, I’ll even volunteer to be the body that tabulates the > list if Elecraft wants to put me to work. (I’m guessing there are 500-1000 > units in Group 1?) > > > > > > > > Semi-patiently waiting, > > > > > > > > Bob K5WA > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rocke...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to norrislawfi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
Indeed! I'm old, been through this many times. Regardless of what is causing problems: Don't publicize a release date because of uncertainties and the World will give you a thousand reasons why you are wrong and should have given a date. Publicize a release date and then miss it because of uncertainties and the the same World will criticize you a thousand times for missing the date. Adjust the design(s) to accommodate the uncertainties and make your release date, and the same World will criticize you a thousand times for all the missing design elements while waiting for the upgrades. Pre-assign serial numbers to pre-orders and publish them and the World will criticize you a thousand times when the production pace does not keep up with expectations. When pre-orders cancel, the rest of the list will criticize you for not adjusting the serial number sequence so "they can get a lower number." If you adjust the sequence, the rest of the list will criticize you because they now can't track production rates. Publish weekly reports detailing problems, progress or the lack thereof, and estimated release date and the World will have a thousand complaints about your lack of progress, missing the release date, and spelling, grammar, frequency, and content of your reports. Please post if you ever find a "win" in any of these scenarios, I never have. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/10/2020 6:54 AM, Dave wrote: Bob I’ll chime in. If a company gives a forecasted ship date and misses the mark for any reason, including unforeseen circumstances that company would be “burned at the stake”. I have seen it before. So with COVID-19 the big wildcard, it is virtually impossible to predict any long term forecast. Some hams treat a projected date as written in stone. Dave wo2x Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:04 AM, K5WA wrote: After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for the K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from 3rd parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually have their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve been planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have to switch gears and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to have it installed this year. On the K4 delivery issue, since the Group 1 purchasers are a known lot, it seems that any group that is full and finite should be able to be given a number (maybe even the actual/projected S/N) so that, for example, as people on this reflector announce that they received S/N 25 and your number was 50, you’d have a clue that your rig was getting close. Ideally, with supply chains running smoothly, Elecraft could show their production projections by S/N or at least an estimated units per week forecast as they ramp up. I realize the exact S/N may change due to special circumstances, but at least we’d have a ballpark pecking order of when to sit at the mailbox looking down the street (longingly) for a delivery truck. I’m not aware of a downside to letting folks know their actual or approximate spot in line. We all know Gavin Newsome and Dr. Faucci have the largest influence on delivery dates but I’d sure like to have a wee bit more transparency from Elecraft about our investment. I know there will be folks telling me to sit tight (as I have for the last 15+ months), they’re coming, but since late August is still the announced best guess for first production shipments, Elecraft surely has internal forecasts by now that could be parceled out to folks on the waiting list. Heck, I’ll even volunteer to be the body that tabulates the list if Elecraft wants to put me to work. (I’m guessing there are 500-1000 units in Group 1?) Semi-patiently waiting, Bob K5WA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
Steve: > On Aug 10, 2020, at 10:52 AM, VE6WZ_Steve wrote: > > Bob, > > Regarding the remote capability of the K4 I heard the same thing. I > specifically asked in the chat room if Elecraft currently has PC based user > interface software to be used with a remote installation. The response from > Wayne seems to indicate they do not. I also ordered the radio a year ago > based on correspondence with Elecraft indicating they will have PC control > software available at the time of delivery. > The Elecraft response seems to be that there “should be” a Win4K4 type > software package available, and that RemoteHam software ‘"should be able to > control the radio”. > My expectation was that there would be PC based user interface software > available that would substantially emulate the K4 front panel display with > full waterfall and control functionality. I would expect some detail about > the software, perhaps at least some screenshots and some communication from > Elecraft that the software has been tested in the field. The silence from > Elecraft on this topic seems to indicate such software is NOT available. > > Please understand I remain excited about adding the K4 to my remote to > hopefully replace the K3s and maybe the Flex 6600, but since I will NEVER > even see or touch the K4 when using it (it will be 100km away). I need to > fully understand what the control software will look like since without it > the radio is useless to me. > > To be clear, before I can accept delivery of the radio, I will need more than > “sure, there will be software available to control the radio”. > Without specific and DETAIL information from Elecraft about this, I will need > to cancel my order and request a refund and wait until the remote > capabilities are developed in the future. I’m certainly sympathetic with your position given the critical importance of remote operation to you. Back in August 2012 I signed on for the Flex-6700 based on the ethernet connection providing remote operation as was touted when the product was announced at the 2012 Hamvention and the closeout of the special introductory pricing was in August 2012. SmartSDR was to provide not only remote operation, but full functionality of the panadapter/waterfall display which is a feature that no other manufacturer was promising for remote operation. The Flex-6700 was delivered to me in November 2013 at installed at my ham station in SE Georgia. The initial software package was woefully inadequate and though the following SmartSDR software updates through version 1.xx provided enhanced capabilities, it wasn’t until version 2 was announced in May 2017 with the introduction of ’SmartLINK’ that remote capability was added. Thus, it took five years from product feature announcement to product feature availability. Almost all of my operating is done remotely, so I ended up with a very expensive paperweight. At least I didn’t have to pay for the version 2 software upgrade given that I was an ‘early adopter’ where Flex recognized that those that made early commitments to the 6700 in 2012 were promised that feature. That said, I did end up ordering a K3-KPA500-KAT500-K3/I0 and Remote Rig 1258 package in August 2014 at the Huntsville Hamfest given the fact that at least Elecraft had a proven product line that could be operated remotely and I wasn’t getting any younger. This system has worked amazingly well for remote operation from my station location with limited DSL at the time (768K upload), particularly with the addition of the Remote Rig RC-1216H web-based controller for use with the KPA-500 and a second RC-1216H for the Green Heron rotor controller that allows me to observe/control these devices with any web browser. I later added the P3 for those times when I am in the shack. So for three years the Elecraft line was my sole means of operating remotely. I currently have 2MB upload/20 MB download which is good enough for remote use of SmarkSDR. Currently, I can work both systems independently through a 4O3A Antenna Genius where both systems have access to my antennas. The Flex system works well but I am limited by my DSL service as to how many panadapters/waterfall displays I can use. It is the panadapter capability that I miss in the K3 while running remotely. That said, the Elecraft is still my primary rig for use with my End Feed Half Wave antenna because the KAT500 can handle the KPA500. Flex/4O3A is yet to release the ’Tuner Genius’ for use with the PGXL (announced in February 2017 and received in May 2018) that is part of the package that was promised to purchasers when I submitted my PGXL order in February 2017. It is an excellent amplifier, but the lack of the tuner significantly limits the amplifier’s utility for use only with my M-Squared yagi.Latest word (noted at the QSO Today Virtual Expo) is that the Tuner Genius is in Alpha Testing with the hope that
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
Bob, Regarding the remote capability of the K4 I heard the same thing. I specifically asked in the chat room if Elecraft currently has PC based user interface software to be used with a remote installation. The response from Wayne seems to indicate they do not. I also ordered the radio a year ago based on correspondence with Elecraft indicating they will have PC control software available at the time of delivery. The Elecraft response seems to be that there “should be” a Win4K4 type software package available, and that RemoteHam software ‘"should be able to control the radio”. My expectation was that there would be PC based user interface software available that would substantially emulate the K4 front panel display with full waterfall and control functionality. I would expect some detail about the software, perhaps at least some screenshots and some communication from Elecraft that the software has been tested in the field. The silence from Elecraft on this topic seems to indicate such software is NOT available. Please understand I remain excited about adding the K4 to my remote to hopefully replace the K3s and maybe the Flex 6600, but since I will NEVER even see or touch the K4 when using it (it will be 100km away). I need to fully understand what the control software will look like since without it the radio is useless to me. To be clear, before I can accept delivery of the radio, I will need more than “sure, there will be software available to control the radio”. Without specific and DETAIL information from Elecraft about this, I will need to cancel my order and request a refund and wait until the remote capabilities are developed in the future. 73, de steve VE6WZ. > After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say > Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for the > K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote > software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from 3rd > parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually have > their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve been > planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have to switch gears > and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to have it installed this > year. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question
Bob I’ll chime in. If a company gives a forecasted ship date and misses the mark for any reason, including unforeseen circumstances that company would be “burned at the stake”. I have seen it before. So with COVID-19 the big wildcard, it is virtually impossible to predict any long term forecast. Some hams treat a projected date as written in stone. Dave wo2x Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:04 AM, K5WA wrote: > > After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say > Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for the > K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote > software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from 3rd > parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually have > their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve been > planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have to switch gears > and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to have it installed this > year. > > > > On the K4 delivery issue, since the Group 1 purchasers are a known lot, it > seems that any group that is full and finite should be able to be given a > number (maybe even the actual/projected S/N) so that, for example, as people > on this reflector announce that they received S/N 25 and your number was 50, > you’d have a clue that your rig was getting close. Ideally, with supply > chains running smoothly, Elecraft could show their production projections by > S/N or at least an estimated units per week forecast as they ramp up. I > realize the exact S/N may change due to special circumstances, but at least > we’d have a ballpark pecking order of when to sit at the mailbox looking down > the street (longingly) for a delivery truck. I’m not aware of a downside to > letting folks know their actual or approximate spot in line. We all know > Gavin Newsome and Dr. Faucci have the largest influence on delivery dates but > I’d sure like to have a wee bit more transparency from Elecraft about our > investment. > > > > I know there will be folks telling me to sit tight (as I have for the last > 15+ months), they’re coming, but since late August is still the announced > best guess for first production shipments, Elecraft surely has internal > forecasts by now that could be parceled out to folks on the waiting list. > Heck, I’ll even volunteer to be the body that tabulates the list if Elecraft > wants to put me to work. (I’m guessing there are 500-1000 units in Group 1?) > > > > Semi-patiently waiting, > > > > Bob K5WA > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rocke...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K4 remote software question
After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for the K4. I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from 3rd parties. I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually have their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve been planning for that in my remote project. I guess I’ll have to switch gears and delay my remote project further. I was hoping to have it installed this year. On the K4 delivery issue, since the Group 1 purchasers are a known lot, it seems that any group that is full and finite should be able to be given a number (maybe even the actual/projected S/N) so that, for example, as people on this reflector announce that they received S/N 25 and your number was 50, you’d have a clue that your rig was getting close. Ideally, with supply chains running smoothly, Elecraft could show their production projections by S/N or at least an estimated units per week forecast as they ramp up. I realize the exact S/N may change due to special circumstances, but at least we’d have a ballpark pecking order of when to sit at the mailbox looking down the street (longingly) for a delivery truck. I’m not aware of a downside to letting folks know their actual or approximate spot in line. We all know Gavin Newsome and Dr. Faucci have the largest influence on delivery dates but I’d sure like to have a wee bit more transparency from Elecraft about our investment. I know there will be folks telling me to sit tight (as I have for the last 15+ months), they’re coming, but since late August is still the announced best guess for first production shipments, Elecraft surely has internal forecasts by now that could be parceled out to folks on the waiting list. Heck, I’ll even volunteer to be the body that tabulates the list if Elecraft wants to put me to work. (I’m guessing there are 500-1000 units in Group 1?) Semi-patiently waiting, Bob K5WA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
Oh, that's awesome to hear - congrats! On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:14 AM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > We have in fact found at least one mac/iOS developer who has expressed an > interest. He's done excellent work in other areas of remote control, > including on mobile devices. > > No time frame yet. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Tox wrote: > > > > Eric's tablet demos have been with a MS Surface; as of Pacificon, they > > still hadn't found a developer to engage for iOS support, and didn't > > have time/skills to do it inhouse. > > > > Whatever tools you use to manage your existing K* are likely to work. > > If I understood Eric correctly, Linux and Windows would get the option > > of the remote UI he's demo'd in videos. > > > > Hoping to hear something new and promising tonight at the NCDXC > > meeting - either that the K4's we've put deposits on would ship closer > > to original schedule, or that macOS/iOS will get love. > > > > Whee... > > > > Scott > > AD6YT > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:33 AM Nr4c wrote: > >> > >> Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D? And > >> platforms? > >> > >> I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad). > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> ...nr4c. bill > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to scott.sm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Scott Small > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com > -- Scott Small __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
We have in fact found at least one mac/iOS developer who has expressed an interest. He's done excellent work in other areas of remote control, including on mobile devices. No time frame yet. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Tox wrote: > > Eric's tablet demos have been with a MS Surface; as of Pacificon, they > still hadn't found a developer to engage for iOS support, and didn't > have time/skills to do it inhouse. > > Whatever tools you use to manage your existing K* are likely to work. > If I understood Eric correctly, Linux and Windows would get the option > of the remote UI he's demo'd in videos. > > Hoping to hear something new and promising tonight at the NCDXC > meeting - either that the K4's we've put deposits on would ship closer > to original schedule, or that macOS/iOS will get love. > > Whee... > > Scott > AD6YT > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:33 AM Nr4c wrote: >> >> Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D? And >> platforms? >> >> I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad). >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to scott.sm...@gmail.com > > > > -- > Scott Small > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
Eric's tablet demos have been with a MS Surface; as of Pacificon, they still hadn't found a developer to engage for iOS support, and didn't have time/skills to do it inhouse. Whatever tools you use to manage your existing K* are likely to work. If I understood Eric correctly, Linux and Windows would get the option of the remote UI he's demo'd in videos. Hoping to hear something new and promising tonight at the NCDXC meeting - either that the K4's we've put deposits on would ship closer to original schedule, or that macOS/iOS will get love. Whee... Scott AD6YT On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:33 AM Nr4c wrote: > > Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D? And > platforms? > > I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad). > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.sm...@gmail.com -- Scott Small __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K4 remote software?
Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D? And platforms? I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad). Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
