[Elecraft] KDVR/DSP/Microphone Connector Issues

2015-09-05 Thread pastormg2
Good Morning,
This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I installed a KDVR module yesterday in which my K3 
recognizes that. But I cannot get any power output or ALC when I connect my 
microphone to the front microphone connector. According to the service people 
at Elecraft they tell me that the microphone connector in the front is 
connected to the DSP board. And you must not have one of the pin connector 
seated correctly. Well, I have taken the K3 apart 4 times and put it back to 
together again making sure that everything is seated the way it should be and 
it still will not work. So I connected my microphone to the rear connector and 
lo and behold it gives me output power and ALC. Of course you need to use the 
PTT to get it to work. That is the only drawback to that theory. But, I thought 
I would try PSK/Rtty this morning. So I started FLDigi and connects to my K3 
via Digi Keyer II, but I don't see any receive audio on the waterfall display. 
And I also tried MMTTY and got the same exact thing for Rtty. I
  did switch the mode to AFSK.  Would this issue that I am having also effect 
the receive audio for PSK31 and also Rtty? I did write an email to K3Support 
this morning, but I doubt I will hear anything until Tuesday. Any 
suggestions/help would be very much appreciated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR/DSP/Microphone Connector Issues

2015-09-05 Thread I4UFH via Elecraft
Did u select front / rear Mic between test ?

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> Il giorno 05/set/2015, alle ore 18:12, pastor...@verizon.net ha scritto:
> 
> Good Morning,
> This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I installed a KDVR module yesterday in which my 
> K3 recognizes that. But I cannot get any power output or ALC when I connect 
> my microphone to the front microphone connector. According to the service 
> people at Elecraft they tell me that the microphone connector in the front is 
> connected to the DSP board. And you must not have one of the pin connector 
> seated correctly. Well, I have taken the K3 apart 4 times and put it back to 
> together again making sure that everything is seated the way it should be and 
> it still will not work. So I connected my microphone to the rear connector 
> and lo and behold it gives me output power and ALC. Of course you need to use 
> the PTT to get it to work. That is the only drawback to that theory. But,
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[Elecraft] KDVR/DSP/Microphone Connector Issues

2015-09-05 Thread pastormg2
Good Morning,
This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I installed a KDVR module yesterday in which my K3 
recognizes that. But I cannot get any power output or ALC when I connect my 
microphone to the front microphone connector. According to the service people 
at Elecraft they tell me that the microphone connector in the front is 
connected to the DSP board. And you must not have one of the pin connector 
seated correctly. Well, I have taken the K3 apart 4 times and put it back to 
together again making sure that everything is seated the way it should be and 
it still will not work. So I connected my microphone to the rear connector and 
lo and behold it gives me output power and ALC. Of course you need to use the 
PTT to get it to work. That is the only drawback to that theory. But,
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR/DSP/Microphone Connector Issues

2015-09-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV






Would this issue that I am having also effect the receive audio for
PSK31 and also Rtty?


Receive audio is on a different connector than the front panel mic
audio.  However, if the DSP board (or front panel) was not installed
correctly (misaligned/bent/broken pins on one or more connectors) it
could impact Line Out audio.

Connect a set of powered speakers to the Line Out jack and see if
you have audio there.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/5/2015 11:25 AM, pastor...@verizon.net wrote:

Good Morning, This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I installed a KDVR module
yesterday in which my K3 recognizes that. But I cannot get any power
output or ALC when I connect my microphone to the front microphone
connector. According to the service people at Elecraft they tell me
that the microphone connector in the front is connected to the DSP
board. And you must not have one of the pin connector seated
correctly. Well, I have taken the K3 apart 4 times and put it back to
together again making sure that everything is seated the way it
should be and it still will not work. So I connected my microphone to
the rear connector and lo and behold it gives me output power and
ALC. Of course you need to use the PTT to get it to work. That is the
only drawback to that theory. But, I thought I would try PSK/Rtty
this morning. So I started FLDigi and connects to my K3 via Digi
Keyer II, but I don't see any receive audio on the waterfall display.
And I also tried MMTTY and got the same exact thing for Rtty. I did
switch the mode to AFSK.  Would this issue that I am having also
effect the receive audio for PSK31 and also Rtty? I did write an
email to K3Support this morning, but I doubt I will hear anything
until Tuesday. Any suggestions/help would be very much appreciated.
Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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[Elecraft] KDVR not playing back

2011-03-14 Thread Jim McDonald
My KDVR doesn't play back messages that I've recorded on my microphone.
When I press M1 through M4 it starts to play for a second then stops with a
noise and displays END.  It only does this if TX is enabled; it works fine
if TX TEST is enabled.

It still records receiver and plays it back OK.

The KDVR used to work fine, so this is a new development.

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[Elecraft] KDVR 3 problem

2010-11-15 Thread DBellW6AQ
I just fired up my second K3 for the first time and the config menu says  
the KDVR 3 is not installed but it is definitely in there -- I put it in as I 
 was building the radio.  Rotating VFO A does nothing.  Is there a  common 
problem here?  Everything else seems to be fine (so far)
 
73, Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-07 Thread Brett Howard
To my understanding as its been explained before the KDVR records the
audio to the memory before the processing but when you play it it is
then injected into that same place in the chain and is thus sent
through the processing.  Therefore you can make changes to the
processing settings and replay things and hear the difference.

~Brett (N7MG)  (Previously KC7OTG)

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Merle Bone merleb...@charter.net wrote:
 I have a couple of questions about the DVR that I could not find answers to 
 in the manual. If you are using Speech Processing does the DVR record the 
 audio before or after the SP when you are recording from the microphone?

 Also, when you playback a message from the DVR, does the audio from the DVR 
 go through the Speeech Processing if you have the SP turned On?
 Thanks  73, Merle - W0EWM
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, N8XPQ mikekoe...@chartermi.net wrote ...

I have competed K# build #4354 this afternoon. I have a question about the
operation or capabilities of the KDVR. Is it possible to playback audio from
a received station, back over the air to that station?

Yes, it is, but it's bit awkward at the moment particularly if you use a 
speaker and do not normally monitor your outgoing speech.  We are told 
that a forthcoming K3 software release will enable the monitor to be 
enabled while playing back a received station over the KDVR.

73
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread juergen

Hi David

A  simple way of erasing recorded messages would be nice. Blanking the entire 
message bank would also help.

A way of  resetting the recorder to the beginning would also make life easy 
when playing back recordings. You always end up with mess of different 
recordings that requires care and guessing when you are playing them back.

I marvel  at how well my simple Sony DVR works, I wish it was in the K3. I 
could then save my recordings  for future reference.

John


--- On Sat, 6/5/10, David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

 From: David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR
 To: N8XPQ mikekoe...@chartermi.net
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:38 PM
 In a recent message, N8XPQ mikekoe...@chartermi.net
 wrote ...
 
 I have competed K# build #4354 this afternoon. I have a
 question about the
 operation or capabilities of the KDVR. Is it possible
 to playback audio from
 a received station, back over the air to that station?
 
 Yes, it is, but it's bit awkward at the moment particularly
 if you use a 
 speaker and do not normally monitor your outgoing
 speech.  We are told 
 that a forthcoming K3 software release will enable the
 monitor to be 
 enabled while playing back a received station over the
 KDVR.
 
 73
 -- 
 David G4DMP
 Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread Gary Gregory
Hmmm,

Playing back another stations audio seems to be a common request,
however, the recording when it is played back is not the true audio
being transmitted by the originating station so therefore it becomes
kiinda useless.

Recording and playing multiple messages is possible using software
such as HRD and N1MM Logger if that's any help?

Yep, would be kinda nice to have a whoops key to erase individual
and M1-M4 recordings. Oh well, it is still the best DVR I have had to
play with...

YMMV

Gary

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:42 PM, juergen plebia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi David

 A  simple way of erasing recorded messages would be nice. Blanking the entire 
 message bank would also help.

 A way of  resetting the recorder to the beginning would also make life easy 
 when playing back recordings. You always end up with mess of different 
 recordings that requires care and guessing when you are playing them back.

 I marvel  at how well my simple Sony DVR works, I wish it was in the K3. I 
 could then save my recordings  for future reference.

 John


 --- On Sat, 6/5/10, David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

 From: David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR
 To: N8XPQ mikekoe...@chartermi.net
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:38 PM
 In a recent message, N8XPQ mikekoe...@chartermi.net
 wrote ...
 
 I have competed K# build #4354 this afternoon. I have a
 question about the
 operation or capabilities of the KDVR. Is it possible
 to playback audio from
 a received station, back over the air to that station?

 Yes, it is, but it's bit awkward at the moment particularly
 if you use a
 speaker and do not normally monitor your outgoing
 speech.  We are told
 that a forthcoming K3 software release will enable the
 monitor to be
 enabled while playing back a received station over the
 KDVR.

 73
 --
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 Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Well I wouldn't say useless. I'm sure no recording is *exactly* like the 
original but I have often played back another station's transmission (eg to 
help them set up their audio to let them know how they sound over a long 
distance), and other people listening  (eg in the same net) usually say the 
KDVR3 is pretty close. I believe it's certainly close enough to be of use. 
Another way of handling it of course is to play the KDVR recording into a PC 
and email it but that's slower and less immediate.

Like you Gary I find the KDVR3 very good. All it needs to make it perfect in 
my view is the monitor tweak recently (and regularly) mentioned on the list 
and yes I too would support a way of erasing the AF REC loop. You can 
already erase M1-4 memories individually.

73 to all,

Geoff
G3UCK

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From: Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR


Hmmm,

Playing back another stations audio seems to be a common request,
however, the recording when it is played back is not the true audio
being transmitted by the originating station so therefore it becomes
kiinda useless.


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[Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread Merle Bone
I have a couple of questions about the DVR that I could not find answers to in 
the manual. If you are using Speech Processing does the DVR record the audio 
before or after the SP when you are recording from the microphone?

Also, when you playback a message from the DVR, does the audio from the DVR go 
through the Speeech Processing if you have the SP turned On? 
Thanks  73, Merle - W0EWM
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread Tom W8JI
 Well I wouldn't say useless. I'm sure no recording is 
 *exactly* like the
 original but I have often played back another station's 
 transmission (eg to
 help them set up their audio to let them know how they 
 sound over a long
 distance), and other people listening  (eg in the same 
 net) usually say the
 KDVR3 is pretty close. I believe it's certainly close 
 enough to be of use.
 Another way of handling it of course is to play the KDVR 
 recording into a PC
 and email it but that's slower and less immediate.

I have a problem with that idea.

When I listen to the other station I hear his audio colored 
by everything between his mouth and my ear. That would 
include his mic, his audio system and transmitter, 
propagation effects like multipath or noise, my receiver 
characteristics, my speaker or headphones, and my hearing.

When I record him and play it back the audio is colored by 
his mic, his audio system and transmitter, propagation 
effects like multipath or noise to me, my receiver 
characteristics, my recorder, my transmitter audio 
characteristics, propagation effects again but back to him, 
his entire receiver system, his speaker or headphones, and 
his hearing.

I often shake my head in disbelief when I witness audio 
playbacks as a disinterested third party, because what I 
hear that is being recorded is rarely like what I hear being 
played back as an example of how the fellow sounds. It isn't 
what the first party sounds like, it is what the first party 
sounds like after being run in and out through a different 
receiver and different transmitter. The recorder is the 
least of the worries.

Which leads me to a question...

In the K3, is the DVR playback run out through the 
transmitter on a wide bandwidth and perfectly flat so the 
playback is at least a reproduction of what the receiver 
wound up creating, or is the playback run though the 
equalizer at the custom settings of the K3 transmitter's 
owner?

To me, this is one of the silliest ways to adjust audio. An 
on-site receiver with wide bandwidth and a good set of 
headphones (or local recorder) is far more meaningful.

One of the most annoying things to me is someone recording 
me and, with his S3 signal from a wet noodle antenna, saying 
this is how good you sound here.
:-)

73 Tom 

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-06 Thread Gary Gregory
Tom,

Exactly my thoughts.

I too have witnessed these types of QSO's and I came to the same
conclusion that what I heard from the station playing back a recorded
transmission did not sound anywhere close to what I heard live.

Oh well, to each his/her own eh?

But I still would like to see the Monitor mute option come to pass.

73's
Gary

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote:
 Well I wouldn't say useless. I'm sure no recording is *exactly* like the
 original but I have often played back another station's transmission (eg
 to
 help them set up their audio to let them know how they sound over a long
 distance), and other people listening  (eg in the same net) usually say
 the
 KDVR3 is pretty close. I believe it's certainly close enough to be of use.
 Another way of handling it of course is to play the KDVR recording into a
 PC
 and email it but that's slower and less immediate.

 I have a problem with that idea.

 When I listen to the other station I hear his audio colored by everything
 between his mouth and my ear. That would include his mic, his audio system
 and transmitter, propagation effects like multipath or noise, my receiver
 characteristics, my speaker or headphones, and my hearing.

 When I record him and play it back the audio is colored by his mic, his
 audio system and transmitter, propagation effects like multipath or noise to
 me, my receiver characteristics, my recorder, my transmitter audio
 characteristics, propagation effects again but back to him, his entire
 receiver system, his speaker or headphones, and his hearing.

 I often shake my head in disbelief when I witness audio playbacks as a
 disinterested third party, because what I hear that is being recorded is
 rarely like what I hear being played back as an example of how the fellow
 sounds. It isn't what the first party sounds like, it is what the first
 party sounds like after being run in and out through a different receiver
 and different transmitter. The recorder is the least of the worries.

 Which leads me to a question...

 In the K3, is the DVR playback run out through the transmitter on a wide
 bandwidth and perfectly flat so the playback is at least a reproduction of
 what the receiver wound up creating, or is the playback run though the
 equalizer at the custom settings of the K3 transmitter's owner?

 To me, this is one of the silliest ways to adjust audio. An on-site receiver
 with wide bandwidth and a good set of headphones (or local recorder) is far
 more meaningful.

 One of the most annoying things to me is someone recording me and, with his
 S3 signal from a wet noodle antenna, saying this is how good you sound
 here.
 :-)

 73 Tom




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[Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-05 Thread N8XPQ

I have competed K# build #4354 this afternoon. I have a question about the
operation or capabilities of the KDVR. Is it possible to playback audio from
a received station, back over the air to that station? 
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
The answer is YES.

The first paragrasph of the KDVR3 Installation manual tells it all -The 
KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder allows you to prerecord voice messages to 
be transmitted and to record received audio.

The details are in the K3 Ownr's manual and the KDVR3 Installation 
instructions.

73,
Don W3FPR

N8XPQ wrote:
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 a received station, back over the air to that station? 
   
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-05 Thread N8XPQ

I figured it out. Wow what a neat toy!

Thanks for the help,

Mike N8XPQ
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-03 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com wrote ...

...
Elecraft feel that it is worth doing a change so that
Monitor can be selected to be ON whilst TX from the DVR and OFF when
in Normal TX, then I would use that setup rather than the current
way it works.

Good, I can't disagree with that ;-)

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Bob Naumann
While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to
turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think
that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than
half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand
that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If
your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission
and really give your ears and head a break.

It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to
maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of
your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer
distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when
using the DVR.

If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please!

73,

Bob W5OV

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM
To: Geoffrey Downs
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

Geoff,

I didn't know this was on the list but I sure reckon you got a great
idea if it is not already on the list.

I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get
used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way
but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX.

I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft.

73's
Gary

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs
geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk wrote:
 While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware
 release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a
 predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again
 when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been on the list for a
 year or so.

 73 to all

 Geoff
 G3UCK

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Gary Gregory
It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to add a
feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to
the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added
features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a
feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off
and maintain the status quo.

Hi,

I for one have not been vocal against any improvement with the K3 when
the suggested feature is of no use to me and so I would ask that we
all support the ongoing feature enhancement of the K3 by supporting
the adding of new features such as Monitor On/Mute for the DVR during
playback. I have never caught myself yelling into a microphone because
I couldn't hear myself speak and I have used the DVR on playback
during a contest with the Monitor turned off. I would prefer to keep
it on and muted on TX as MY preferred way of operating. I don't use
external boxes either such as microHAM or any other type of
interface and not all operators wish to use N1MM Logger or even HRD
for that matter. I don't even want a PC connected to the K3 on most
occasions and therefore I would not use a PC based DVR.

Many K3 owners are casual operators most of the time so many of the
contest features are of little use. This does not mean we don't want
the features, just a choice as to when we use them and surely this is
not too much to ask.

I respect all opinions on the refelctor as we all have different ideas
about operating and the K3 is by far the most versatile radio I have
owned and I have seen it grow in versatility since I aquired mine over
two years ago.

If your listening Wayne, this is a good feature for many of us and we
would welcome it becoming a reality as we are customers too.

sincerely,
Gary VK4FD

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Bob Naumann w...@w5ov.com wrote:
 While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to
 turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think
 that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than
 half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand
 that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If
 your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission
 and really give your ears and head a break.

 It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to
 maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of
 your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer
 distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when
 using the DVR.

 If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please!

 73,

 Bob W5OV

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
 Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM
 To: Geoffrey Downs
 Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

 Geoff,

 I didn't know this was on the list but I sure reckon you got a great
 idea if it is not already on the list.

 I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get
 used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way
 but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX.

 I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft.

 73's
 Gary

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs
 geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk wrote:
 While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware
 release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a
 predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again
 when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been on the list for a
 year or so.

 73 to all

 Geoff
 G3UCK

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Bob Naumann
Gary,

I did not suggest that the feature should not be added to the K3 nor did I
suggest that improvements not be made to the K3. Why do you claim that I
did?

My point is that in nearly 40 years of SSB contesting, it has become
apparent to me that those who use a monitor function to keep track of what
they're doing vocally on their air - whether by automated sending or with
their own voice A: sound better, and B: maintain coherence better.

73,

Bob W5OV





-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregory [mailto:garyvk...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:03 AM
To: Bob Naumann
Cc: Geoffrey Downs; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to add a
feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to
the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added
features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a
feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off
and maintain the status quo.

Hi,

I for one have not been vocal against any improvement with the K3 when
the suggested feature is of no use to me and so I would ask that we
all support the ongoing feature enhancement of the K3 by supporting
the adding of new features such as Monitor On/Mute for the DVR during
playback. I have never caught myself yelling into a microphone because
I couldn't hear myself speak and I have used the DVR on playback
during a contest with the Monitor turned off. I would prefer to keep
it on and muted on TX as MY preferred way of operating. I don't use
external boxes either such as microHAM or any other type of
interface and not all operators wish to use N1MM Logger or even HRD
for that matter. I don't even want a PC connected to the K3 on most
occasions and therefore I would not use a PC based DVR.

Many K3 owners are casual operators most of the time so many of the
contest features are of little use. This does not mean we don't want
the features, just a choice as to when we use them and surely this is
not too much to ask.

I respect all opinions on the refelctor as we all have different ideas
about operating and the K3 is by far the most versatile radio I have
owned and I have seen it grow in versatility since I aquired mine over
two years ago.

If your listening Wayne, this is a good feature for many of us and we
would welcome it becoming a reality as we are customers too.

sincerely,
Gary VK4FD

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Bob Naumann w...@w5ov.com wrote:
 While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to
 turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think
 that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than
 half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to
understand
 that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If
 your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission
 and really give your ears and head a break.

 It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly
to
 maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of
 your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then
suffer
 distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when
 using the DVR.

 If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off -
please!

 73,

 Bob W5OV

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
 Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM
 To: Geoffrey Downs
 Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

 Geoff,

 I didn't know this was on the list but I sure reckon you got a great
 idea if it is not already on the list.

 I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get
 used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way
 but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX.

 I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft.

 73's
 Gary

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs
 geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk wrote:
 While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware
 release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a
 predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again
 when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been on the list for a
 year or so.

 73 to all

 Geoff
 G3UCK

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Doug Turnbull
I like to have the monitor on very low during its use as at times I have
found that:
1) The wrong button was pressed
2) With the OII on rare occasion a poor quality transmission was in progress
which I could terminate and restart overcoming the problem.   Problems can
also occur with the K3.   

73 Doug EI2CN

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Naumann
Sent: 02 June 2010 11:41
To: 'Gary Gregory'; 'Geoffrey Downs'
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to
turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think
that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than
half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand
that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If
your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission
and really give your ears and head a break.

It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to
maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of
your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer
distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when
using the DVR.

If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please!

73,

Bob W5OV

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM
To: Geoffrey Downs
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

Geoff,

I didn't know this was on the list but I sure reckon you got a great
idea if it is not already on the list.

I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get
used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way
but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX.

I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft.

73's
Gary

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs
geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk wrote:
 While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware
 release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a
 predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again
 when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been on the list for a
 year or so.

 73 to all

 Geoff
 G3UCK

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Vic K2VCO
On 6/2/2010 4:02 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
 It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to add a
 feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to
 the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added
 features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a
 feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off
 and maintain the status quo.

As a software developer myself, here are some reasons that I disagree:

1. Every feature requires code space, which is in short supply.

2. The menu interface is already complicated and adding more switches makes it 
worse. I've 
talked to new K3 users who are overwhelmed.

3. If a feature is implemented at all, it must be implemented cleanly, in a way 
which fits 
the general user-interface and operational philosophy of the device. It can't 
have hidden 
'gotchas', etc. It isn't a good argument for doing something fundamentally 
inconsistent to 
say that you can always turn it off.

4. Once a feature exists, it has to be supported. Some 'features' and 
implementations 
thereof can have a large impact on the volume of support calls.

5. Programmer time is very expensive and limited. Just because something has 
'practical 
use' to the four operators out of 10,000 who want a particular feature does not 
mean that 
the two guys who have to make this work should spend their time on it, 
especially when 
there are things that 1,000 operators could use.

These are just some of the reasons that because it's possible may not be a 
good reason 
to do something!
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Phil Hystad
I think we all need to remember that features are approved and added by 
Elecraft,
not by users.  However, I bet a lot of the features that we like in the K3 come 
from
user suggestions or from similar sources (dialog on other forums?).

I think that the freedom to suggest a new feature should be paramount on this
forum.  Of course, so should the freedom to vote No on a new idea.  This is 
all
information that be used by Wayne and Eric in choosing things that might be
included someday.


73, phil, K7PEH
P.S. A programmer for 45 years


On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote:

 On 6/2/2010 4:02 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
 It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to add a
 feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to
 the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added
 features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a
 feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off
 and maintain the status quo.
 
 As a software developer myself, here are some reasons that I disagree:
 
 1. Every feature requires code space, which is in short supply.
 
 2. The menu interface is already complicated and adding more switches makes 
 it worse. I've 
 talked to new K3 users who are overwhelmed.
 
 3. If a feature is implemented at all, it must be implemented cleanly, in a 
 way which fits 
 the general user-interface and operational philosophy of the device. It can't 
 have hidden 
 'gotchas', etc. It isn't a good argument for doing something fundamentally 
 inconsistent to 
 say that you can always turn it off.
 
 4. Once a feature exists, it has to be supported. Some 'features' and 
 implementations 
 thereof can have a large impact on the volume of support calls.
 
 5. Programmer time is very expensive and limited. Just because something has 
 'practical 
 use' to the four operators out of 10,000 who want a particular feature does 
 not mean that 
 the two guys who have to make this work should spend their time on it, 
 especially when 
 there are things that 1,000 operators could use.
 
 These are just some of the reasons that because it's possible may not be a 
 good reason 
 to do something!
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Absolutely. We always are listening. :-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ


On 6/2/2010 8:09 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 I think we all need to remember that features are approved and added by 
 Elecraft,
 not by users.  However, I bet a lot of the features that we like in the K3 
 come from
 user suggestions or from similar sources (dialog on other forums?).

 I think that the freedom to suggest a new feature should be paramount on this
 forum.  Of course, so should the freedom to vote No on a new idea.  This is 
 all
 information that be used by Wayne and Eric in choosing things that might be
 included someday.


 73, phil, K7PEH
 P.S. A programmer for 45 years
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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-02 Thread Gary Gregory
Aaaah Bob, I was not singling you out and I do apologise if you felt
that I was. My remarks were meant only as a General Comment and
perhaps were not articulated well.

Regardless, I understand that compromises need to be made regarding FW
storage etc and so I leave that to the engineers at Elecraft.

My preference with the Monitor function remain, whilst it works fine
as it is, IF Elecraft feel that it is worth doing a change so that
Monitor can be selected to be ON whilst TX from the DVR and OFF when
in Normal TX, then I would use that setup rather than the current
way it works.

As many have previously stated, K3 users are now numbering well ove
4,000 world wide and the number is still rising rapidly so there will
be more and more wish list items to surface in the future and again,
this is not a bad thing.

Wayne and Eric are listening and will always decide what is best for
their products but debate is good and I certainly look forward to the
future enhancements as they become available, some I will use, many
perhaps I will not such as QRQ @ 75wpm...(Grin)...the mind is willing
but I would need some serious surgery on the Grey Matter to decode
it(:-))

I hope the choice of Monitor ON/OFF on the DVR playback comes to pass..YMMV

My 2c...keep the change!

Gary

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
e...@elecraft.com wrote:
 Absolutely. We always are listening. :-)

 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
 

 On 6/2/2010 8:09 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 I think we all need to remember that features are approved and added by 
 Elecraft,
 not by users.  However, I bet a lot of the features that we like in the K3 
 come from
 user suggestions or from similar sources (dialog on other forums?).

 I think that the freedom to suggest a new feature should be paramount on this
 forum.  Of course, so should the freedom to vote No on a new idea.  This 
 is all
 information that be used by Wayne and Eric in choosing things that might be
 included someday.


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 P.S. A programmer for 45 years
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[Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-01 Thread Jim McDonald
Here's a posting from March on using the KDVR with N1MM.

I've used the macros in DXLab Commander successfully using the suggested
syntax.

Jim N7US



-Original Message-
From: n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
Sent: March 07, 2010 21:09
To: n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [N1MM] N1MM and K-3 Configuration for keying KDVR3 with F key
strings

I used CATA1ASC and CATA2ASC for a possible SO2R solution that I've never
really tested fully. CATA1ASC should have the same effect as CAT1ASC in a
SO1V-type scenario.

Some notes at http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3 

~Iain / N6ML



On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Steve London n...@arrl.net wrote:



 The correct command is CAT1ASC, not CATA1ASC .

 73,
 Steve, N2IC


 Jim McCook wrote:
  Last year N6ML came up with a great scheme for using 4 function keys on
 the keyboard with N1MM to key the K-3's KDVR3 on SSB. I used it afterward
in
 the CQWW SSB contest, and it worked flawlessly. Now, for some reason, it
 won't work in this ARRL SSB DX contest. The entry in N1MM for those keys
had
 been memorized in N1MM for SSB:
 
  *F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}
 
  *F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}
 
  *F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}
 
  *F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}
 
 
  I can't understand why they won't work now, when they did before. I can
 punch the M1-M4 buttons on the K-3 and they work fine. I've tried all the
 settings I can imagine in both N1MM and PTT-key in the K-3.
 
  If you are using this scheme, please tell me your magic combination of
 settings in N1MM and K-3 Config PTT-KEY
 
  Jim
  W6YA
 


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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-01 Thread Geoffrey Downs
While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware 
release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a 
predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again 
when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been on the list for a 
year or so.

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK 

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-01 Thread Gary Gregory
Geoff,

I didn't know this was on the list but I sure reckon you got a great
idea if it is not already on the list.

I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get
used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way
but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX.

I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft.

73's
Gary

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs
geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk wrote:
 While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware
 release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a
 predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again
 when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been on the list for a
 year or so.

 73 to all

 Geoff
 G3UCK

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR

2010-06-01 Thread Dave Perry N4QS
After reading this thread throughout the day, I was inspired to setup N1MM 
to use the DVR in the K3.  By following the simple steps outlined in the 
page link below by N6ML, it took only a few minutes to add the macros within 
N1MM and make the recordings in the K3.  Works great!  Can't wait to try it 
in a phone contest.

Dave, N4QS


- Original Message - 
From: Jim McDonald j...@n7us.net
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR


 Here's a posting from March on using the KDVR with N1MM.

 I've used the macros in DXLab Commander successfully using the suggested
 syntax.

 Jim N7US



 -Original Message-
 From: n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
 Sent: March 07, 2010 21:09
 To: n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [N1MM] N1MM and K-3 Configuration for keying KDVR3 with F key
 strings

 I used CATA1ASC and CATA2ASC for a possible SO2R solution that I've never
 really tested fully. CATA1ASC should have the same effect as CAT1ASC in a
 SO1V-type scenario.

 Some notes at http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3

~Iain / N6ML



 On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Steve London n...@arrl.net wrote:



 The correct command is CAT1ASC, not CATA1ASC .

 73,
 Steve, N2IC


 Jim McCook wrote:
  Last year N6ML came up with a great scheme for using 4 function keys on
 the keyboard with N1MM to key the K-3's KDVR3 on SSB. I used it afterward
 in
 the CQWW SSB contest, and it worked flawlessly. Now, for some reason, it
 won't work in this ARRL SSB DX contest. The entry in N1MM for those keys
 had
 been memorized in N1MM for SSB:
 
  *F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;}
 
  *F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;}
 
  *F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;}
 
  *F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;}
 
 
  I can't understand why they won't work now, when they did before. I can
 punch the M1-M4 buttons on the K-3 and they work fine. I've tried all the
 settings I can imagine in both N1MM and PTT-key in the K-3.
 
  If you are using this scheme, please tell me your magic combination of
 settings in N1MM and K-3 Config PTT-KEY
 
  Jim
  W6YA
 


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[Elecraft] KDVR issue?

2009-10-28 Thread DM4iM
Elecrafters,
can anyone double this:

If you Replay a message, say M1,
tapping the button *twice*, these things happen, depending on how long
you waited for the second tap:

Tap twice fast (1/2 second pause): Message stops, then plays again.
Tap twice with long pause: Messages fully plays, but RX-Audio won't come
on for  about 1/2 second after message has finished.
Let the message play nearly to its end, then tap: RX-Audio won't come on
for  even longer (felt like this).

Martin

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Re: [Elecraft] KDVR issue?

2009-10-28 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:34 AM, DM4iM hamra...@vr-web.de wrote:
 Elecrafters,
 can anyone double this:

 If you Replay a message, say M1,
 tapping the button *twice*, these things happen, depending on how long
 you waited for the second tap:

 Tap twice fast (1/2 second pause): Message stops, then plays again.

I can not reproduce that.


 Tap twice with long pause: Messages fully plays, but RX-Audio won't come
 on for  about 1/2 second after message has finished.
 Let the message play nearly to its end, then tap: RX-Audio won't come on
 for  even longer (felt like this).

I can reproduce that - it appears that PTT is being asserted for the
duration of the message, starting when you last pressed the button,
but the audio is not being reproduced.

~Iain / N6ML
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