Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
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All:
Back when the K3S first came out I did the math on the cost of upgrading a K3
Classic to add the K3IO, the new tuner, two KSyn3A's and all of the other
upgrades versus purchasng a new K3S, and came to the conclusion that I could
sell my old K3 Classic on eHam or eBay or privately (~4000 S/N range) and move
up to a brand new K3S for just a few hundred dollars additional.
By doing this I was able to reset the clock and start all over again with a
brand new rig with all the upgrades and a full year's warranty to boot. You
can save even more by moving your sub RX from the old rig to the new rig -- the
Sub RX is one item which did not change.
Put your old price list and the new price list side by side and you will see
that most items have not increased all that substantially compared t the
benefits you receive when upgrading.
Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:00:04 -0800
Also note that the KIO3B has all of the original KIO3 analog and digital
functionality and HW. Adding the usb sound and USB data hw to that did not
increase the end price by over $200.Lastly at ham radio market volumes, which
are much lower than most consumer
products, the cost to develop and support any design is folded in the price we
must charge over time. We can't survive any other way.
73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
Hi to the group I am pleased I decided to get my K3s SN 10329 instead of waiting for the parts to upgrade my early K3 457. I don't think my cost was all that much different as I found a buyer for my K3 with all the upgrades I had put in over the years including the sync board. I have now used the K3s for 2 months and while I don't know that I have worked anyone I could not have worked with the K3 I am impressed with how well it works under poor conditions. I appreciate getting rid of the external pre amp, the external sound card and the USB to RS232 interface. I find it easy to use FLDIGI now. When I had all those wires behind my K3 I needed a day of warning before I could do a digital sked. The sync board made my K3 a top notch performer to sell and it is no different than when I put $3000 in my 12 year old car than had another major problem and decided to trade it in. I have never been sorry and now 5 years later still enjoy the new features of my new car. I hope next time around I get smart quicker and do not put $3000 in this 5 year old car before I trade it off but I do hope to keep driving it a few more years. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 19, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > wrote: > > Hi Olli, > > Yes, 389.95 is the correct price. > > This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
The KIO3BUPKT price was a surprise because the KIO3 assembly is bundled into the K3 and K3S, so its standalone price has not been generally publicized. Further, the KSYN3AUPG and KXV3B are $220 and $200 respectively, so one might have expected the KIO3BUPKT to be similar. But, in fact, the KIO3/A/B assembly is more expensive than many of us realized. I am confident that Elecraft priced the KIO3BUPKT in the same fair manner as their other products. Each of us can decide if the price is worth the value we expect to receive from it. And, many have already chosen to buy the K3S rather than upgrade a K3. It's great that we have all these choices! Ed W0YK __ -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: 19 December, 2015 12:50 To: Oliver Dröse Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB) Hi Olli, Yes, 389.95 is the correct price. This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs much more than our old KIO3B to manufacture. The board set also now contains a new USB Codec, USB Comm port, Internal USB hub and additional logic to handle routing of data between the USB and RS-232 paths (all fitting into the same space as the old boards). The upgrade kit also includes two external cables (one custom), new hw etc. These boards are also manufactured at a much lower volume than those in the PC market, with the subsequent increased cost on our end. A $200 price would be selling at a significant loss. Our goal is always to price our products as reasonably as possible after taking into account our production and support costs while making enough profit to continue to exist and serve the amateur radio market. We walk that line carefully every day. And its always a challenge! :-) 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote: > > Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going with my microHAM USB III then ... > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
You make a very good case for buying a new K3s. I chose that route, and after all the finagling and swapping, it cost me under $500 to go from a 2007 K3 to a brandie new 2015 K3s. Heckuva deal if you axe me. I must add that the recovered audio is absolutely THE best I've heard from any transceiver. Even with a pair of mediocre speakers, it sounds great. Chas -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 3:50 PM To: Oliver Dröse Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB) Hi Olli, Yes, 389.95 is the correct price. This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs much more than our old KIO3B to manufacture. The board set also now contains a new USB Codec, USB Comm port, Internal USB hub and additional logic to handle routing of data between the USB and RS-232 paths (all fitting into the same space as the old boards). The upgrade kit also includes two external cables (one custom), new hw etc. These boards are also manufactured at a much lower volume than those in the PC market, with the subsequent increased cost on our end. A $200 price would be selling at a significant loss. Our goal is always to price our products as reasonably as possible after taking into account our production and support costs while making enough profit to continue to exist and serve the amateur radio market. We walk that line carefully every day. And its always a challenge! :-) 73, Eric elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
Also note that the KIO3B has all of the original KIO3 analog and digital functionality and HW. Adding the usb sound and USB data hw to that did not increase the end price by over $200. Lastly at ham radio market volumes, which are much lower than most consumer products, the cost to develop and support any design is folded in the price we must charge over time. We can't survive any other way. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote: > > Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks for an > "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to the KIO3A) is > too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going with my microHAM > USB III then ... > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
Hi Olli, Yes, 389.95 is the correct price. This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs much more than our old KIO3B to manufacture. The board set also now contains a new USB Codec, USB Comm port, Internal USB hub and additional logic to handle routing of data between the USB and RS-232 paths (all fitting into the same space as the old boards). The upgrade kit also includes two external cables (one custom), new hw etc. These boards are also manufactured at a much lower volume than those in the PC market, with the subsequent increased cost on our end. A $200 price would be selling at a significant loss. Our goal is always to price our products as reasonably as possible after taking into account our production and support costs while making enough profit to continue to exist and serve the amateur radio market. We walk that line carefully every day. And its always a challenge! :-) 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote: > > Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks for an > "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to the KIO3A) is > too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going with my microHAM > USB III then ... > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going with my microHAM USB III then ... 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 19.12.2015 um 19:51 schrieb ejk...@gmail.com: I have been anxiously waiting for the K3IOB but also find the price much more than expected, so now suspect I will not order one. Emory WM3M -Original Message- From: Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:01 PM To: Wes (N7WS) Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3IOB I agree w/ Peter on this. I also find the price for upgrade outrageous. But, Mr. Schmidt's comment was out of line. 73, Robert-KP4Y/W4 Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Eric is the moderator of this list. On 12/19/2015 4:27 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: Let's remain civil on this mailing list please. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ejk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dro...@necg.de __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
