Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Or W4KFC for that matter. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 3/21/2012 9:54 PM, mikefur...@att.net wrote: Anyone remember CO2BB? One always knew who that was without hearing the call sign due his distinct manner on CW. Mike WA%POK -Original Message- From: stan levandowski Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:43 PM Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3 You want to stand out then ditch the paddle and use an properly adjusted and accurately operated bug. Bug code is remarkably like fingerprinting - similarities but never an exact dupe! Stan WB2LQF On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Yeah, but Vic never had a chirp, or click, or mushy CW, just a southern drawl fist on a bug that you would never forget, and would recognize instantly as you tuned by his run frequency in the sweepstakes. http://pvrc.org/wav/W4KFC1971.mp3 73, Guy. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR n...@contesting.com wrote: Or W4KFC for that matter. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 3/21/2012 9:54 PM, mikefur...@att.net wrote: Anyone remember CO2BB? One always knew who that was without hearing the call sign due his distinct manner on CW. Mike WA%POK -Original Message- From: stan levandowski Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:43 PM Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3 You want to stand out then ditch the paddle and use an properly adjusted and accurately operated bug. Bug code is remarkably like fingerprinting - similarities but never an exact dupe! Stan WB2LQF On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Listening to that recording was a *great* way to start the day! Re-visiting the house you grew up in, you find that it's a lot smaller today than it was 40 years ago. Likewise, I would have *sworn* that Vic was a lot faster in those days than on the recording! Maybe I'm remembering KH6IJ 73, -Doug, W7KF http://www.w7kf.com On 03/22/2012 07:45 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Yeah, but Vic never had a chirp, or click, or mushy CW, just a southern drawl fist on a bug that you would never forget, and would recognize instantly as you tuned by his run frequency in the sweepstakes. http://pvrc.org/wav/W4KFC1971.mp3 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Hi Guy, How about W2RUF and W2MTA from the NYS, 2RN and EAN days. They were my operating time brackets. If I could not copy Bill comfortably I had not been spending enough time on the nets. If I could copy Clara I had been on to much. 73 Joe K2UF (ex K2TTG) No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons were inconvenienced. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:45 AM To: Pete Smith N4ZR Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3 Yeah, but Vic never had a chirp, or click, or mushy CW, just a southern drawl fist on a bug that you would never forget, and would recognize instantly as you tuned by his run frequency in the sweepstakes. http://pvrc.org/wav/W4KFC1971.mp3 73, Guy. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR n...@contesting.com wrote: Or W4KFC for that matter. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 3/21/2012 9:54 PM, mikefur...@att.net wrote: Anyone remember CO2BB? One always knew who that was without hearing the call sign due his distinct manner on CW. Mike WA%POK -Original Message- From: stan levandowski Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:43 PM Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3 You want to stand out then ditch the paddle and use an properly adjusted and accurately operated bug. Bug code is remarkably like fingerprinting - similarities but never an exact dupe! Stan WB2LQF On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Many will enjoy the video and photograph in the attached link to my Flickr page. It features a photograph of a beautifully crafted 1930's designed single tube transmitter and how it sounds on a state of the art crafted K3 :) Click on the K3 to hear VE7SL/QRP. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/ Steve, VE7SL is the craftsman of this beautiful transmitter and has just posted details on his web page (link below). Steve's construction, circuit and historical details: http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/tritet.html 73, Bill Bill Hammond wham...@aol.com Bill Hammond-AK5X a...@mac.com a...@sbcglobal.net K3 #69 P3 #817 KPA500 # 149 K2/100 #4637 K1 #2033 KX1 #1023 T1 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
The 6L6 keyed oscillator shown in the Flickr page is certainly a lovingly-crafted piece of artwork, but I am a bit skeptical about the implication that a techno-adept ham of the late '30's would have been pleased by the chirp. After all, the 6L6 first appeared in 1936, and by then the 'x' and 'c' of the RST/x/c reporting scheme was probably already in use. Keying an oscillator working directly into an antenna was understood to be a poor idea. The MOPA idea was around long before the 6L6. There is a QST article in 1934 illustrating the general idea of a 2-stage transmitter, and the idea was known long before that. John Ragle -- W1ZI = On 3/21/2012 8:46 AM, Bill Hammond wrote: Many will enjoy the video and photograph in the attached link to my Flickr page. It features a photograph of a beautifully crafted 1930's designed single tube transmitter and how it sounds on a state of the art crafted K3 :) Click on the K3 to hear VE7SL/QRP. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/ Steve, VE7SL is the craftsman of this beautiful transmitter and has just posted details on his web page (link below). Steve's construction, circuit and historical details: http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/tritet.html 73, Bill Bill Hammond wham...@aol.com Bill Hammond-AK5X a...@mac.com a...@sbcglobal.net K3 #69 P3 #817 KPA500 # 149 K2/100 #4637 K1 #2033 KX1 #1023 T1 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from my lovely old Dell XPS 420 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
But you are hearing it on 10 meters. Down on the fundamental (I didn't check the schematic - sorry) it probably sounded much better. Myself, I would have tuned the other side of zero beat so the chirp went the other direction. Pure music! Open up that K3 all the way, sit back and relax, and listen to the music. Rick K2XT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Your right John but remember many hams were kids saving dimes from collecting old newspapers,, 34 was in the middle of the depression and MOPA used a lot of parts and over all considering he is keying the xtal not a bad sounding signal for real fun check the Antique Wireless Association OT contest,, should be a pre 30 rig design and using a 45 was High Power,, a 27 worked almost as good,, the power isset to be under 10 watts for the contest and my 80 meter Harley will chirp out of a modern rcv bandwidth although that really is excessive HAR many guys have surprisingly stable rigs with just a handful of parts real fun is listening to guys trying to get them on frequency Bob K3DJC On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:24:07 -0400 John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com writes: The 6L6 keyed oscillator shown in the Flickr page is certainly a lovingly-crafted piece of artwork, but I am a bit skeptical about the implication that a techno-adept ham of the late '30's would have been pleased by the chirp. After all, the 6L6 first appeared in 1936, and by then the 'x' and 'c' of the RST/x/c reporting scheme was probably already in use. Keying an oscillator working directly into an antenna was understood to be a poor idea. The MOPA idea was around long before the 6L6. There is a QST article in 1934 illustrating the general idea of a 2-stage transmitter, and the idea was known long before that. John Ragle -- W1ZI = On 3/21/2012 8:46 AM, Bill Hammond wrote: Many will enjoy the video and photograph in the attached link to my Flickr page. It features a photograph of a beautifully crafted 1930's designed single tube transmitter and how it sounds on a state of the art crafted K3 :) Click on the K3 to hear VE7SL/QRP. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/ Steve, VE7SL is the craftsman of this beautiful transmitter and has just posted details on his web page (link below). Steve's construction, circuit and historical details: http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/tritet.html 73, Bill Bill Hammond wham...@aol.com Bill Hammond-AK5X a...@mac.com a...@sbcglobal.net K3 #69 P3 #817 KPA500 # 149 K2/100 #4637 K1 #2033 KX1 #1023 T1 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from my lovely old Dell XPS 420 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
This is one oldtimer who actually used such a design. After more than 58 years I finally understand how it worked .. actually, not very well for me. Chirps and whoops were very common in those days and I can say with confidence that they were definitely acceptable and, in fact, were a characteristic of stations such as mine without the operator even knowing about the whoop. Remember, like many other novices I was using a simple regenerative receiver that could not be used for a monitor and never knew how my signal actually sounded in the other guys receiver. Even the more sophisticated superhets overloaded so easily that they did not provide a faithful reproduction of the outgoing rf. Don K7FJ The 6L6 keyed oscillator shown in the Flickr page is certainly a lovingly-crafted piece of artwork, but I am a bit skeptical about the implication that a techno-adept ham of the late '30's would have been pleased by the chirp. After all, the 6L6 first appeared in 1936, and by then the 'x' and 'c' of the RST/x/c reporting scheme was probably already in use. Keying an oscillator working directly into an antenna was understood to be a poor idea. The MOPA idea was around long before the 6L6. There is a QST article in 1934 illustrating the general idea of a 2-stage transmitter, and the idea was known long before that. John Ragle -- W1ZI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
I also used that Tri-Tet circuit in my first Novice rig. I was able to listen to the keying thanks to a buddy a few miles away. We'd talk on the telephone while keying our rigs to hear what they actually sounded like. It can be run with very, very little chirp on the lower frequency bands. The chirp is directly proportional to power output and, in a time when yooping signals were common, the desire to increase the loading to pump up the RF output often overcame concerns about signal quality. So most of us balanced output and chirp at then-acceptable levels. For many, as long as it would start oscillating when the key was closed, it was good enough, Hi! Later, I successfully used the much newer 6146 and even a 5763 in one-lung oscillators on 40 and 20 meters without detectable chirp. The newer higher gain beam power tubes were much easier to tame than the earlier 6L6, 6V6 and 807. Building a one-tube transmitter that didn't have detectable chirp was an interesting design challenge in the 1960's. Also the chirp depended greatly on the frequency. He used a 40 meter crystal multiplying the frequency by 4 to reach ten meters. That means the chirp is four times worse too! I would not have expected any better from my rigs. We can cram a lot more signals into the bands these days. Putting more signals in less spectrum has been a challenge for Hams since the 1920's. But us OT's are often a bit nostalgic for CW bands where one could recognize a station by the sound of his (or her) signal and fist. Back then a CW band sounded like a room full of people, each with a distinctive voice that could be picked out easily even without listening to the words. Nowadays the same CW bands sound like a room full of computer-generated voices, all identical except for the words. And, with the digital modes, there aren't even any words to hear. The world moves on. Our challenge is to move on with it and keep looking over the horizon ahead. 73, Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. 73, Andy, N2CN On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: We can cram a lot more signals into the bands these days. Putting more signals in less spectrum has been a challenge for Hams since the 1920's. But us OT's are often a bit nostalgic for CW bands where one could recognize a station by the sound of his (or her) signal and fist. Back then a CW band sounded like a room full of people, each with a distinctive voice that could be picked out easily even without listening to the words. Nowadays the same CW bands sound like a room full of computer-generated voices, all identical except for the words. And, with the digital modes, there aren't even any words to hear. The world moves on. Our challenge is to move on with it and keep looking over the horizon ahead. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Has anyone else noticed that the cw elements produced by the K3 are distinctive? They are sharp and distinct, without any mushiness. The signal has presence, and yet not a trace of clickiness, on or off frequency. There is the highest degree of purity of tone, as well. OK, back to my day job as a wine taster. On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. 73, Andy, N2CN On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Ron D'Eau Clairer...@cobi.biz wrote: We can cram a lot more signals into the bands these days. Putting more signals in less spectrum has been a challenge for Hams since the 1920's. But us OT's are often a bit nostalgic for CW bands where one could recognize a station by the sound of his (or her) signal and fist. Back then a CW band sounded like a room full of people, each with a distinctive voice that could be picked out easily even without listening to the words. Nowadays the same CW bands sound like a room full of computer-generated voices, all identical except for the words. And, with the digital modes, there aren't even any words to hear. The world moves on. Our challenge is to move on with it and keep looking over the horizon ahead. -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 17:03 -0400, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. Kind of like antiquing an old chair: intentionally marring the finish to make it look old. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
How many of us have had that thought in a pile-up with a modest antenna and 100 watts or less? I have adjusted a few rise times in the past. 73, Bill AK5X On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. 73, Andy, N2CN On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: We can cram a lot more signals into the bands these days. Putting more signals in less spectrum has been a challenge for Hams since the 1920's. But us OT's are often a bit nostalgic for CW bands where one could recognize a station by the sound of his (or her) signal and fist. Back then a CW band sounded like a room full of people, each with a distinctive voice that could be picked out easily even without listening to the words. Nowadays the same CW bands sound like a room full of computer-generated voices, all identical except for the words. And, with the digital modes, there aren't even any words to hear. The world moves on. Our challenge is to move on with it and keep looking over the horizon ahead. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Bill Hammond wham...@aol.com Bill Hammond-AK5X a...@mac.com a...@sbcglobal.net K3 #69 P3 #817 KPA500 # 149 K2/100 #4637 K1 #2033 KX1 #1023 T1 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
I think that Lyle, KK7P, will probably want to get to work on that right away!:-) 73, Rick K7MW I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. 73, Andy, N2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Along with the chirps and squeals (especially from Cuba!) I remember in the mid 50's as a novice I had a couple of xtals for 80 and 40. You would call CQ and tune up and down the novice band for several minutes listening for some one answering you. I also had 'variable xtals' that you could move several hundred cycles ( or hertz) to move away from an existing QSO. Then the Heathkit VFO became available WOW! Now I could answer a CQ right on his frequency (of course that was after I upgraded from novice ;o] ). 73 Joe K2UF No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons were inconvenienced. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Siegel Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:04 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3 I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. 73, Andy, N2CN On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: We can cram a lot more signals into the bands these days. Putting more signals in less spectrum has been a challenge for Hams since the 1920's. But us OT's are often a bit nostalgic for CW bands where one could recognize a station by the sound of his (or her) signal and fist. Back then a CW band sounded like a room full of people, each with a distinctive voice that could be picked out easily even without listening to the words. Nowadays the same CW bands sound like a room full of computer-generated voices, all identical except for the words. And, with the digital modes, there aren't even any words to hear. The world moves on. Our challenge is to move on with it and keep looking over the horizon ahead. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3
Usually it just means that someone has a crummy rig, or doesn't know how to use it properly, or has a crummy power source. Dave AB7E On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. Nowadays, I actually seek out QSOs with hams with chirpy or hummy CW notes, since it often means unusual DX, or someone with a good story to tell. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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You want to stand out then ditch the paddle and use an properly adjusted and accurately operated bug. Bug code is remarkably like fingerprinting - similarities but never an exact dupe! Stan WB2LQF On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Vic K2VCO wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the cw elements produced by the K3 are distinctive? They are sharp and distinct, without any mushiness. The signal has presence, and yet not a trace of clickiness, on or off frequency. There is the highest degree of purity of tone, as well. We investigated several rise/fall shapes (raised cosine, sigmoidal, and variations) and selected one that gave us both a narrow CW keying modulation bandwidth and reasonably fast rise/fall times. We've have a few requests to make the transmit clickier, but have refused :) OK, back to my day job as a wine taster. Oh, sure :) Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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When I got my first Knight-kit VFO, I got a lot of guffaws from my local crowd because my signal had a chirp. I worked with my elmer (first class commercial license and chief engineer at WCTT) to solve the problem with keying the VFO, and was so proud of the clean signal when I was done. No clicks, no chirps, no mush. That was 1958 and all the hams I knew, were well informed about what a clean signal was. Mushy, clicky, youpy, chirpy signals got ridiculed, no less then than now. But maybe things were different in Kentucky?? 73, Guy. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM, stan levandowski sjl...@optonline.netwrote: You want to stand out then ditch the paddle and use an properly adjusted and accurately operated bug. Bug code is remarkably like fingerprinting - similarities but never an exact dupe! Stan WB2LQF On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. Perhaps we could call it, personalize our transmitted CW note? Sounds better than dirty up. And, this is NOT a request for a K3 firmware change to allow personalization of CW notes! Rotary spark operators sometimes had a foot pedal similar to a sewing machine pedal with which they could personalize the note [such as a note was with a rotary spark gap TX] by speeding it up and slowing it down while sending. What truly intrigues me is how they built receivers pre-De Forest. Spark gap TX is easy, before LORAN-C met it's death, several of the stations had reverted to the 21st Century equivalent of spark. I really do not understand what the Titanic's receiver looked like. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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It might sound better to call it that but it's still the same thing ... intentionally putting a trashy signal on the band. Want to be distinctive on the bands? Say something clever, useful, informative, interesting, funny ... whatever. Leave the junk signals in the past where they belong. I own a K3 in large part because it puts out a clean signal, and I'm eternally grateful to Wayne for his decision not to give folks the option to screw it up for the sake of misguided nostalgia. Dave AB7E On 3/21/2012 5:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: It would be interesting if we had the option in modern rigs to dirty up our transmitted CW note. Perhaps we could call it, personalize our transmitted CW note? Sounds better than dirty up. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Anyone remember CO2BB? One always knew who that was without hearing the call sign due his distinct manner on CW. Mike WA%POK -Original Message- From: stan levandowski Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:43 PM Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT-old vs. new 6L6 to K3 You want to stand out then ditch the paddle and use an properly adjusted and accurately operated bug. Bug code is remarkably like fingerprinting - similarities but never an exact dupe! Stan WB2LQF On 3/21/2012 2:03 PM, Andrew Siegel wrote: I also miss the days when CW signals were distinctive. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
