[Elecraft] P3: Feature request

2018-02-10 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)

Hi there Elecraft programmers,

Feature request here...

Would it be possible to add a user controllable switch in the P3 setup 
for the Transmit monitor, which allows the numeric SWR and POWER reading 
to be held, as opposed to being removed at termination of transmit?


Thanks for considering

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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2015-11-11 Thread ae4pb
P3 feature request: I'd like to be able to connect both a mouse and keyboard
and use the mouse for click to tune operation, drag and zoom, drag and
unzoom.etc..

 

I'm currently using $50 setup that requires a computer. If the P3 had mouse
features I'd strongly consider and probably buy it instead. 

Thanks in advance.

jer

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-11 Thread David Gilbert



That's actually pretty much what I have used CW Skimmer for in several 
contests.  I feed the audio from my K3 into my computer sound card, and 
I use CW Skimmer in Audio Mode (essentially single single frequency 
audio bandwidth) without the decoding feature enabled.  In other words, 
I use CW Skimmer purely for it's excellent waterfall (sharpest and 
clearest I've seen amongst similar software) that scrolls from right to 
left so that the display can be visibly decoded by eye in the proper 
orientation (reading left to right).  I even wrote a couple of 
AutoHotKey macros to have CW Skimmer pause/unpause the display when I 
realize I've missed a character. Even without the pause macro I can fit 
about twelve seconds worth of readable history on my 22 inch display.


It took a bit of recalibration to learn how to decode by eye and I don't 
have to use it often, but at times it comes in very handy to avoid 
repeat requests.


73,
Dave   AB7E


On 12/10/2014 10:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after my flying 
car):

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to you? 
The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3, scrolling down 
the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long time. What if you 
could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant 
replay!

Vic K2VCO/4X6GP



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-11 Thread Fred Jensen
I was joking.  Apparently cookies, milk, and a Corona on Christmas Eve 
wasn't as obvious as I thought it would be.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
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On 12/10/2014 9:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after
my flying car):

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-10 Thread hsherriff
This sure would be a nice Christmas present I could get for myself. .if it 
were only available by then.


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/divWe are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope 
display 
option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.

Stay tuned!

Eric
elecraft.com

On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I 
 do 
 not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect 
 it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on 
 the 
 reflector.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
 Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as 
 is available form the IF)



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[Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-10 Thread Fred Jensen
Asking for new features seems to have become common, you'd think Wayne 
was Santa Claus and the employees were his elves.  I'd like to weigh in 
with one for me ...


I've gotten a bit active in NTS, I even agreed to NCS one night a week. 
 I was very active in NTS in the mid-50's as a teenager.  My P3 is 
really cool for picking working frequencies up and down.  However, I'm 
having a problem remembering where I send who for what.  I'd like a 
feature that would put a tag with a call sign on the signal when I send 
someone up or down for traffic.  This shouldn't be too hard. ;-))  I'm 
willing to type the call, although picking it out of my Notepad notes 
would be icing on the cake.


I'll leave cookies, milk, and a Corona out Christmas Eve, take your pick.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-10 Thread mike
How about CWskimmer? It will help you track where you have sent them... ;)  
73 ..mike  AI6II



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-10 Thread Vic Rosenthal
If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after my flying 
car):

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to you? 
The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3, scrolling down 
the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long time. What if you 
could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant 
replay!

Vic K2VCO/4X6GP 

 On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:15 AM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:
 
 Asking for new features seems to have become common, you'd think Wayne 
 was Santa Claus and the employees were his elves.  I'd like to weigh in 
 with one for me ...
 
 I've gotten a bit active in NTS, I even agreed to NCS one night a week. 
  I was very active in NTS in the mid-50's as a teenager.  My P3 is 
 really cool for picking working frequencies up and down.  However, I'm 
 having a problem remembering where I send who for what.  I'd like a 
 feature that would put a tag with a call sign on the signal when I send 
 someone up or down for traffic.  This shouldn't be too hard. ;-))  I'm 
 willing to type the call, although picking it out of my Notepad notes 
 would be icing on the cake.
 
 I'll leave cookies, milk, and a Corona out Christmas Eve, take your pick.
 
 73,
 
 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
 - www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-10 Thread Bill Frantz
This is exactly the effect you get with cocoModem on PSK. Click 
on the waterfall and everything from then to now is decoded, 
possibly again. With two decoding windows (like VFOs), I 
generally tune around with both but use both to decode while 
making a QSO. The slightly different decoding frequencies (1-2 
Hz at most) give complimentary results.


I would love to have this feature in any system with a waterfall.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/11/14 at 9:28 PM, k2vco@gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) wrote:

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station 
came back to you? The information is still there, sitting in 
the memory of the P3, scrolling down the waterfall. On a large 
monitor it is there for a long time. What if you could click on 
a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant replay!

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-12-10 Thread Hank Garretson
Even better would be if someone could develop software to display logger
bandmap on the P3SVGA monitor.

73,

Hank, W6SX


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal k2vco@gmail.com wrote:

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to
 you? The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3,
 scrolling down the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long
 time. What if you could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play
 it back? Instant replay!

 Vic K2VCO/4X6GP

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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as is 
available form the IF)

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Yes, hopefully when the Sensor Input is activated.  That would be the 
cat's meow or cool, for you 60's types.


73, Chs
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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?


Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much 
as is available form the IF)


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future 
option.  I do not have any information about when it will be available, 
but I would expect it to be sometime soon, there have been several 
recent queries about it on the reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as is 
available form the IF)




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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display 
option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.


Stay tuned!

Eric
elecraft.com

On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I do 
not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect 
it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the 
reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as 
is available form the IF)





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread hsherriff
Alright. .


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Elecraft e...@elecraft.com /divdivDate:12/09/2014  3:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
/divdivTo: d...@w3fpr.com,Harry Yingst hlyin...@yahoo.com,Elecraft 
Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net /divdivSubject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 
Feature Request? /divdiv
/divWe are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope 
display 
option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.

Stay tuned!

Eric
elecraft.com

On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I 
 do 
 not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect 
 it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on 
 the 
 reflector.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
 Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as 
 is available form the IF)



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread David Cole
Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 12:14 -0800, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display 
 option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.
 
 Stay tuned!
 
 Eric
 elecraft.com
 
 On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I 
  do 
  not have any information about when it will be available, but I would 
  expect 
  it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on 
  the 
  reflector.
 
  73,
  Don W3FPR
 
  On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
  Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much 
  as 
  is available form the IF)
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Robert Nobis
Will the W2 Wattmeter sensors be usable?


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 On Dec 9, 2014, at 18:15, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 
 David,
 
 Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
 I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote:
 Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
 rigs?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

1. A small sensor input board that plugs into the existing boards on the P3.
2. A RF sensor, similar, but not identical circuitry, to our existing 
directional couplers for the W2. (It has a faster time constant to support RF 
envelope display.)


73,

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Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Bruce Beford
Fairly obvious that an external sensor will be needed, probably the same (or
similar) sensors to what is used for the W2 wattmeter. Also, since there is
no current corresponding input on the P3, an option board will be required
for that. (Strictly speculation on my part, but fairly obvious to me)
Availability and pricing TBD.
73,
Bruce N1RX

 Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
 I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or
not.




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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Possibly, with modification to several component values on the board inside, but 
I can't guarantee that they will still work with the W2 after modification.


Eric
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On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:

Will the W2 Wattmeter sensors be usable?


Bob  -  N7RJN
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On Dec 9, 2014, at 18:15, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

David,

Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote:

Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread David Cole
Why obviously?  If it were obvious then I would not have asked the
question...  

Perhaps they intended to have this feature, and had the sensors built
in?

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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 20:15 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 David,
 
 Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
 I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote:
  Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
  rigs?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Ernie Kluft


It would be nice to be able to use the W2's sensors for 
those who have bought them


At 07:34 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:

1. A small sensor input board that plugs into the existing boards on the P3.
2. A RF sensor, similar, but not identical circuitry, to our 
existing directional couplers for the W2. (It has a faster time 
constant to support RF envelope display.)


73,

Eric
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On 12/9/2014 5:12 PM, David Cole wrote:

Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
rigs?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-02-20 Thread Greg Miller
Note that it only shows up on the P3 itself and not on an external monitor.

-Greg NY6C

On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Alan Bloom a...@elecraft.com wrote:

 If you enable the menu entry WfallMkrs the markers appear on the waterfall.
 
 Alan N1AL
 
 
 On 02/19/2014 12:22 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
 I would find it helpful if the P3 markers A, B  center could be made
 to extend below the signal line  into the waterfall; it would help
 to center on the precise desired location to QSY to rather than
 guesstimate with the markers being obscured by the spectrum trace on
 top.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Gary
 KA1J
 
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[Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-02-19 Thread Gary Smith
I would find it helpful if the P3 markers A, B  center could be made 
to extend below the signal line  into the waterfall; it would help 
to center on the precise desired location to QSY to rather than 
guesstimate with the markers being obscured by the spectrum trace on 
top.

Thank you,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 feature request

2014-02-19 Thread Alan Bloom
If you enable the menu entry WfallMkrs the markers appear on the 
waterfall.


Alan N1AL


On 02/19/2014 12:22 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

I would find it helpful if the P3 markers A, B  center could be made
to extend below the signal line  into the waterfall; it would help
to center on the precise desired location to QSY to rather than
guesstimate with the markers being obscured by the spectrum trace on
top.

Thank you,

Gary
KA1J


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-26 Thread Edward R Cole

This moving to OT but interesting to a long-term JT65 user like me.

JT65 was designed for weak-signal communication, so the situations on 
HF where strong signals are received might be a problem.  I would 
like to hear what Joe Taylor (K1JT) would say regarding this.  I have 
not used JT9 or many of the variants of JT65; no use of it on HF.  So 
have no experience with strong JT signals.  On eme a strong signal is 
-15 or higher.


You may be correct about JT9 coding.

With the K3 or KX3 the important point is to set up modulation the 
proper way using the ALC meter (four dashes with the fifth 
flickering).  I really like the way Elecraft makes it simple to set 
up digital mode levels correctly and easily.  Previous use of JT44 
and then JT65 was with a FT-847 and one had to just find the point 
where level started compression and back of a tad.  The DATA jack on 
the FT-847 was nice since Rx audio was low-level at constant 
amplitude and modulation was separated from the mic.  But I think one 
still had to adjust mic gain and turn off mic compression for data 
modes (Not a preset mode like on Elecraft radios).


73, Ed - KL7UW
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling
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As your post indicates, the splattering of JT65 signals has most likely
nothing to do with your transmitter and setup. It is more likely to be due
to the specifics of the JT65 display/decoding algorithm than anything else.
I have done spectral estimation for some 30+ years and it reminds me very
much of the phenomenon called sidelobe leakage. I have commented on that in
my blog:
Overmodulated JT65 on HF?
http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/04/overmodulated-jt65-on-hf.html

WB4SON wrote
 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.
 
 Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
 as
 well.

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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Charlie Delta
If this feature is offered in the  near future, it would be nice if  the 
following features were incorporated
into the making  the P3  a very useful station tool.

1. Since the Dynamic range is rather limited on the P3, the ability or feature 
to allow
1 or 2 crystal notch filters to be inserted inline  would be a nice feature. 
This would allow the dynamic
range of the P3 to be increased to something well over 100db with the main TX 
signal notched. We would only a need 
a low frequency, mid and high frequency notches for dummy load testing.

2. The ability to define a  IMD mask would be a nice feature. Rather than 
trying to squint at  peak
makers it would be much easier to set a fail alarm mask that  alerts the 
operator to the fact that his or her's  knobs to
the right  habit is causing problems  up the band.

3. Multiple peak markers and a rifle scope type cross hair makers for making 
accurate and fast
level measurements. Pre-set bounce peak  level markers every 5 khz would be a 
nice feature.

4. Have multiple traces such as peak hold, quasi peak, average power, average 
power in a 2.4khz bandwidth,
and peak power in a 2.4khz bandwidth These kinds of measurements would reflect  
the level of interference as seen 
on the typical S_meter rather than being a narrow resolution bandwidth 
measurement.

5. If you are doing transmitter sampling you might as well go all the way and 
offer the ability to use any directional
coupler with the P3 with appropriate  calibration routines. Similar to the 
http://www.meterbuilder.com/ meter.

6. Support software for the G4HFQ polar plotting software.
http://www.g4hfq.co.uk/plphelp/plphelp.htm

7. While they at it a white noise generator plus a 2 tone or multitone 
generator can also be a option for TX testing.

8. Define a set bandwidth such as 20khz for TX monitoring that can be stored to 
 one of the P3's function keys
ALT would switch the waterfall display to the 20khz bandwidth and the 
averaging on the waterfall should indicate 
IMD level peaks averaged in a 2.4khz bandwidth.

Its a complicated matter turning the P3 into a spectrum analyzer/station 
monitor once you start thinking about
it   from the perspective of a test engineer. It might be easier to do  this on 
a DDC/DUC platform!

That should round the P3 off very nicely if all these features are achievable. 
Only the firmware guru's will know
if these features are possible. Keep on dreaming.

73
Craig
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Salvatore Irato
Out of any real estate optimization and the money needed to buy it,
this link may show a needed parent to what we are asking for.

http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-500.html

When delivered, it would have the requested features and even more. Isn't it?


  73 de iw1ayd Salvo

PS this remember me that there, several years ago, in a link to
another site I have seen something much like the P3 ... just mumbling.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread kc2vmp
I am really hoping the Sensor port will be used for this! (Soon?)

kc2vmp


On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at that
 lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing
 
 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
 panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
 four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
 was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
 receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean as
 well.
 
 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality if
 my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.
 
 One can dream and wish.
 
 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
As your post indicates, the splattering of JT65 signals has most likely
nothing to do with your transmitter and setup. It is more likely to be due
to the specifics of the JT65 display/decoding algorithm than anything else.
I have done spectral estimation for some 30+ years and it reminds me very
much of the phenomenon called sidelobe leakage. I have commented on that in
my blog:
Overmodulated JT65 on HF?
http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/04/overmodulated-jt65-on-hf.html  


WB4SON wrote
 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall. 
 
 Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
 as
 well.





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Rick Bates
If your neighbor tells you it's clean (and s/he knows how to look) then it's 
likely the other station at fault.  Noise blanking, noise reduction, poor RX 
audio (over)driving are huge issues that can make any reception look bad.  

Bottom line: don't sweat it if your local stations tell you you're clean.   

whiners  /dev/null

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

 On Sep 25, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) la...@nrrl.no wrote:
 
 As your post indicates, the splattering of JT65 signals has most likely
 nothing to do with your transmitter and setup. It is more likely to be due
 to the specifics of the JT65 display/decoding algorithm than anything else.
 I have done spectral estimation for some 30+ years and it reminds me very
 much of the phenomenon called sidelobe leakage. I have commented on that in
 my blog:
 Overmodulated JT65 on HF?
 http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/04/overmodulated-jt65-on-hf.html  
 
 
 WB4SON wrote
 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall. 
 
 Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
 as
 well.
 
 
 
 
 
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 Sverre, LA3ZA
 
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 LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
 LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: 
 http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
FWIW, overload from a strong local signal can cause much weaker signals to
behave this way. Once amplifier stages in a receiver are driven into
overload, they produce all sorts of mixing products with any signal coming
through. The overloading signal may have been far off frequency, even on
another Ham band, so it was not obvious to the operator. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kc2vmp
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:34 AM
To: Bob
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

I am really hoping the Sensor port will be used for this! (Soon?)

kc2vmp


On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at 
 that lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing
 
 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away 
 asking me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and 
 he saw my signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the 
 waterfall.  I panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything 
 -- Line Level was four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar 
 flickering, transmit power was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding 
 perfectly fine, and my handheld receiver was sounding OK too.  Later 
 that night a nearby ham was nice enough to run a spectral analysis on 
 my signal and found it looked clean as well.
 
 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal 
 quality if my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via 
 IR back to the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.
 
 One can dream and wish.
 
 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Richard Fjeld
This is good to know. I had this same experience on PSK31, and it was trouble 
at the receiving end because it was happening on other signals as well, while 
other stations gave me a clean bill of health. I didn't know if it was his 
soundcard, software, or interface.

Dick, n0ce


- Original Message -
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To: Bob wb4...@gmail.com
Cc: Elecraft Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:31:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

FWIW, overload from a strong local signal can cause much weaker signals to
behave this way. Once amplifier stages in a receiver are driven into
overload, they produce all sorts of mixing products with any signal coming
through. The overloading signal may have been far off frequency, even on
another Ham band, so it was not obvious to the operator. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kc2vmp
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:34 AM
To: Bob
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

I am really hoping the Sensor port will be used for this! (Soon?)

kc2vmp


On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at 
 that lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing
 
 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away 
 asking me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and 
 he saw my signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the 
 waterfall.  I panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything 
 -- Line Level was four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar 
 flickering, transmit power was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding 
 perfectly fine, and my handheld receiver was sounding OK too.  Later 
 that night a nearby ham was nice enough to run a spectral analysis on 
 my signal and found it looked clean as well.
 
 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal 
 quality if my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via 
 IR back to the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.
 
 One can dream and wish.
 
 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread EricJ
That clears up something that has bothered me on JT65. Many times 
someone will complain about someone overdriving, but the signal appeared 
to be OK to me. It happens frequently. Now I think the complainer is 
probably receiving the station much more strongly than I am and it is 
overdriving his JT65 software. The signal is weaker for me and my 
software is not being overdriven. The transmitted signal is indeed clean.


Thanks for the insight.

Eric
KE6US

On 9/25/2013 9:13 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:

As your post indicates, the splattering of JT65 signals has most likely
nothing to do with your transmitter and setup. It is more likely to be due
to the specifics of the JT65 display/decoding algorithm than anything else.
I have done spectral estimation for some 30+ years and it reminds me very
much of the phenomenon called sidelobe leakage. I have commented on that in
my blog:
Overmodulated JT65 on HF?
http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/04/overmodulated-jt65-on-hf.html


WB4SON wrote

Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.

Later that night a nearby ham was nice
enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
as
well.





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Bob
Well nothing would put the issue to bed better than a nice printout of a P3
screen that was sampling the RF signal over a bandwidth of about 6KHz.
 That's why I would LOVE for Elecraft to continue developing the P3 and
expanding its capability.

I don't mind the report, and I take it seriously, but I'd rather be able to
prove to myself that I'm clean rather than have a buddy stay up late at
night to run tests on my behalf.

And the other thing, of course, is the assumption that the decoding
algorithm is perfect and doesn't make mistakes, nor that a 6 KHz wide
bandwidth can be decoded with no artifacts on a Flex-3K -- these seem to be
suspect to me as well.

With so many accusations of bad modulation on what is essentially a weak
signal mode during a sun-spot maximum, being able to be 100% sure you are
clean seems like a very worthwhile goal.

I continue to run 5 watts and enjoy JT65, JT9 and PSK31 very much.

73, Bob, WB4SON



On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Rick Bates happymooseph...@gmail.comwrote:

 If your neighbor tells you it's clean (and s/he knows how to look) then
 it's likely the other station at fault.  Noise blanking, noise reduction,
 poor RX audio (over)driving are huge issues that can make any reception
 look bad.

 Bottom line: don't sweat it if your local stations tell you you're clean.

 whiners  /dev/null

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  On Sep 25, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) la...@nrrl.no
 wrote:
 
  As your post indicates, the splattering of JT65 signals has most likely
  nothing to do with your transmitter and setup. It is more likely to be
 due
  to the specifics of the JT65 display/decoding algorithm than anything
 else.
  I have done spectral estimation for some 30+ years and it reminds me very
  much of the phenomenon called sidelobe leakage. I have commented on that
 in
  my blog:
  Overmodulated JT65 on HF?
  http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/04/overmodulated-jt65-on-hf.html
 
 
  WB4SON wrote
  Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away
 asking
  me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw
 my
  signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.
  
  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
  enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
  as
  well.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Bob
Yep, that is 100% correct.

If the station that is offended would simply reduce their RF gain control,
in most cases they will see the signal clean right up.  Then the real issue
is that they want to copy a weak signal that is in a chunk of spectrum that
is full of strong signals (most likely due to excellent propagation).
 Somehow they think it is their right to complain to folks to lower their
power.  Imagine doing that in a contest!!  (Hey Mr Strong station, I can
work that weak guy 100 Hz away from you.  Would you please lower your
power?  -- not that we might not wish it, but we would never say it over
the air)

So I try to avoid the flak by running 5 watts and making sure my signal is
clean.  A P3 that RF sampled would take care of the second part.  But even
5 watts can be too much -- I worked Australia on 30 meters with 0.5 watts
and received a signal report of -10.  That wasn't me, that was all
propagation.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-25 Thread Bill Frantz
My normal technique with sound card modes (mostly PSK31) is to 
look at the audio AtoD overload indicator in my software and 
reduce the RF gain so it indicates no overload. This procedure 
uses the minimum necessary gain through most of the radio/AtoD 
etc, limiting local distortion products. It works very well.


Most of the time I still see band noise on the waterfall, so I'm 
not missing any weak signals. Sometimes the band noise goes away 
and I wish I had better dynamic range.


Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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If the station that is offended would simply reduce their RF gain control,
in most cases they will see the signal clean right up.


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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Bob
So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at that
lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean as
well.

Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality if
my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to the
P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

One can dream and wish.

73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Gary Gregory
Your not alone...:-(


On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at that
 lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
 panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
 four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
 was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
 receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean as
 well.

 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality if
 my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

 One can dream and wish.

 73, Bob, WB4SON
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Stewart Bryant

On 24/09/2013 15:11, Gary Gregory wrote:

Your not alone...:-(



+1

This is one of the nicer features of my Flex1500

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Gary Gregory
Sam,

I still believe in the ol saying...the squeeky wheel get's the oil...so
it's good to keep our requests up.

73


On 25 September 2013 01:03, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:

 I know we aren't suppose to do the 'me to' kind of posts here
 and before hundreds of others add theirs and the topic gets canned
 (again)...

 as far as I am concerned this is the only remaining 'feature' that ruins
 an otherwise perfect station combo.

 perhaps the Flex is worth looking at again if this is never going to be
 addressed??


 On 9/24/2013 9:11 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:

 Your not alone...:-(


 On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

  So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at
 that
 lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
 panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
 four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
 was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
 receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
 as
 well.

 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality
 if
 my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to
 the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

 One can dream and wish.

 73, Bob, WB4SON



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Bob
Just to add that three others have replied to me (as opposed to the entire
group) saying they would like to see this too.

I suspect this would be a wildly popular item.  I've sort of bought
everything Elecraft has to offer.  I need a new accessory to continue
transferring my money to Eric and Wayne (;

Now I love my KX3, and appreciate all the fine improvements, but my
K3/P3/KAT500/KPA500 is not feeling the love nearly as much.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Tom

Even if they never add the feature, wouldn't it be better to use a
device like the Kenwood SM-230 monitor, rather than giving up an
excellent XCVR for the sake of monitoring youe signal?

Tom
N5GE

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:03:50 -0500, you wrote:

I know we aren't suppose to do the 'me to' kind of posts here
and before hundreds of others add theirs and the topic gets canned 
(again)...

as far as I am concerned this is the only remaining 'feature' that ruins 
an otherwise perfect station combo.

perhaps the Flex is worth looking at again if this is never going to be 
addressed??

On 9/24/2013 9:11 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
 Your not alone...:-(


 On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at that
 lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
 panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
 four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
 was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
 receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean as
 well.

 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality if
 my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

 One can dream and wish.

 73, Bob, WB4SON

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Edward R Cole


I don't have a P3, so my curiosity is only academic.

The sampling function being referred to, would bring a low power 
sample of transmit power to the P3?  This does not seem very 
difficult to roll your own sampler.  I gather the P3 has the needed 
RF ckts to receive RF and demod it, or is that also needed?


I use LP-Pan with my K3. The LP-Pan only works in Rx so not really 
usable for analyzing the K3's own transmissions.  It will work to 
look at the KX3, of course.  AFAIK the K3 will not work in duplex mode.


I also have a SDR-IQ, which makes a superb spectrum analyzer for 
freq. up to 30-MHz. The SDR-IQ only needs a small antenna to sniff 
enough RF to display the spectrum as wide as 190-KHz or down to KHz 
if looking for IMD.  The SDR-IQ can be used as IF Rx for transverters 
to extend usable frequency higher.  I recently used it to analyze Sun 
noise performance of my dish on 1296-MHz and to measure insertion 
loss for some coax relays.


Not usual for most ham stations, I also have a surplus HP141T with 
plug-ins for 0-1250 MHz and up to 26 GHz.




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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Steven Kline
Hi Tom,

It's become very difficult to locate an SM-230 monitor in the used market and 
even when you do, they are asking an arm and a leg.  I've got a pretty clean 
one, but I can't find anyone who seems to be able to service the unit.  As you 
state It does do a pretty good job though for monitoring one's transmitted 
signal and could be an alternative if supply were not the issue.  Maybe someone 
will come up with a simple adjunct 3rd party coupler that can sample the output 
as well as provide a visual via software, cheaply.

Steve - W5JK


On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Tom wrote:

 
 Even if they never add the feature, wouldn't it be better to use a
 device like the Kenwood SM-230 monitor, rather than giving up an
 excellent XCVR for the sake of monitoring youe signal?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Brian Alsop
What if one defined the IF of the P3 to be at some PSK frequency and 
connect a loop of wire to it's RF input?  Put the loop on the desk.


There might not be enough resolution to clearly see anything but gross 
PSK signal infidelities.


73 de Brian/K3KO





On 9/24/2013 16:40, Edward R Cole wrote:


I don't have a P3, so my curiosity is only academic.

The sampling function being referred to, would bring a low power
sample of transmit power to the P3?  This does not seem very difficult
to roll your own sampler.  I gather the P3 has the needed RF ckts to
receive RF and demod it, or is that also needed?

I use LP-Pan with my K3. The LP-Pan only works in Rx so not really
usable for analyzing the K3's own transmissions.  It will work to look
at the KX3, of course.  AFAIK the K3 will not work in duplex mode.

I also have a SDR-IQ, which makes a superb spectrum analyzer for freq.
up to 30-MHz. The SDR-IQ only needs a small antenna to sniff enough RF
to display the spectrum as wide as 190-KHz or down to KHz if looking
for IMD.  The SDR-IQ can be used as IF Rx for transverters to extend
usable frequency higher.  I recently used it to analyze Sun noise
performance of my dish on 1296-MHz and to measure insertion loss for
some coax relays.

Not usual for most ham stations, I also have a surplus HP141T with
plug-ins for 0-1250 MHz and up to 26 GHz.



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 It's become very difficult to locate an SM-230 monitor in the used
 market and even when you do, they are asking an arm and a leg.  I've
 got a pretty clean one, but I can't find anyone who seems to be able
 to service the unit.

A basic transmit monitor (amplitude domain) is extremely easy to make
given an audio scope, gimmick capacitor (a couple turns of wire
around the coax), and a small signal diode.  I suspect such a device
could be done for a buck using a sound card and off the shelf (free)
audio scope software.

If you're looking for a spectrum analyzer (frequency domain) that's
another issue entirely as that requires some form of frequency
tracking (local oscillator/mixer) and SDR software.  However, since
the receiver does not need to be particularly sensitive, one could
probably use one of the very inexpensive SDR devices on the market
these days as the core of any spectrum monitor.

I *hope* that whatever solution Elecraft choose for a potential P3
sensor option it *does not require the SVGA option*.  To me the
SVGA is redundant (I don't need another display, text decode or
another dedicated keyboard) and I would be very disappointed to
see that cost be a requirement for either an amplitude or spectrum
scope.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/24/2013 1:00 PM, Steven Kline wrote:

Hi Tom,

It's become very difficult to locate an SM-230 monitor in the used market and 
even when you do, they are asking an arm and a leg.  I've got a pretty clean 
one, but I can't find anyone who seems to be able to service the unit.  As you 
state It does do a pretty good job though for monitoring one's transmitted 
signal and could be an alternative if supply were not the issue.  Maybe someone 
will come up with a simple adjunct 3rd party coupler that can sample the output 
as well as provide a visual via software, cheaply.

Steve - W5JK


On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Tom wrote:



Even if they never add the feature, wouldn't it be better to use a
device like the Kenwood SM-230 monitor, rather than giving up an
excellent XCVR for the sake of monitoring youe signal?

Tom
N5GE





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread KU4AF
Resolution would be the same as on received signals - frequency resolution of
span/450 and amplitude range 10 - 80 dB. One gotcha is that the P3 only
handles IF's up to 21.7 MHz so presumably there would need to be some
hardware to allow up to 54 MHz.

I'm also looking forward to a transmit monitoring feature. I hope it will
allow viewing the transmitted signal in the time domain, like the
traditional old tech monitors, as well as frequency domain.

John, KU4AF

Pittsboro, NC
What if one defined the IF of the P3 to be at some PSK frequency and 
connect a loop of wire to it's RF input?  Put the loop on the desk.

There might not be enough resolution to clearly see anything but gross 
PSK signal infidelities.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Mel Farrer
I would like to state a glitch that happens once in a great while on my P3.  It 
will stay on while transmitting and I see my transmitted signal.  If it is a 
glitch, it must be a SW one because the display hardware is doing its job.  
Then one would suggest it could be toggled on and off  What a wonderful 
thought hint hint.

Mel, K6KBE





 From: Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com
To: Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling
 

Sam,

I still believe in the ol saying...the squeeky wheel get's the oil...so
it's good to keep our requests up.

73


On 25 September 2013 01:03, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:

 I know we aren't suppose to do the 'me to' kind of posts here
 and before hundreds of others add theirs and the topic gets canned
 (again)...

 as far as I am concerned this is the only remaining 'feature' that ruins
 an otherwise perfect station combo.

 perhaps the Flex is worth looking at again if this is never going to be
 addressed??


 On 9/24/2013 9:11 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:

 Your not alone...:-(


 On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

  So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at
 that
 lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

 Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
 me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
 signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
 panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
 four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
 was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
 receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
 enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
 as
 well.

 Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality
 if
 my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to
 the
 P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

 One can dream and wish.

 73, Bob, WB4SON



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Geoffrey Downs
If you disconnect the RS232 cable between the P3 and the K3, the P3 display 
stays on during tx and shows the tx signal. I haven't tried it in digital 
modes but it certainly works for CW and SSB. It's a good workaround that has 
been mentioned on this reflector in the past.


73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK

-Original Message- 
From: Mel Farrer

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:49 PM
To: Gary Gregory ; Sam Morgan
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

I would like to state a glitch that happens once in a great while on my P3. 
It will stay on while transmitting and I see my transmitted signal.  If it 
is a glitch, it must be a SW one because the display hardware is doing its 
job.  Then one would suggest it could be toggled on and off  What a 
wonderful thought hint hint.


Mel, K6KBE





From: Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com
To: Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling


Sam,

I still believe in the ol saying...the squeeky wheel get's the oil...so
it's good to keep our requests up.

73


On 25 September 2013 01:03, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:


I know we aren't suppose to do the 'me to' kind of posts here
and before hundreds of others add theirs and the topic gets canned
(again)...

as far as I am concerned this is the only remaining 'feature' that ruins
an otherwise perfect station combo.

perhaps the Flex is worth looking at again if this is never going to be
addressed??


On 9/24/2013 9:11 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:


Your not alone...:-(


On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at

that
lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away 
asking
me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw 
my

signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level 
was

four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
as
well.

Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality
if
my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to
the
P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

One can dream and wish.

73, Bob, WB4SON





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


On 9/24/2013 4:44 PM, Geoffrey Downs wrote:
 If you disconnect the RS232 cable between the P3 and the K3, the P3
 display stays on during tx and shows the tx signal.

However, when you do this you are seeing the 8 MHz *IF* signal.  You
are not seeing the effect of the final mixer, low power amplifier or
100W amplifier if installed.  This kludge shows only the effect of
the DSP modulation process - compression and EQ - and does not always
represent the goodness of the final transmitted signal.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/24/2013 4:44 PM, Geoffrey Downs wrote:

If you disconnect the RS232 cable between the P3 and the K3, the P3
display stays on during tx and shows the tx signal. I haven't tried it
in digital modes but it certainly works for CW and SSB. It's a good
workaround that has been mentioned on this reflector in the past.

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK

-Original Message- From: Mel Farrer
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:49 PM
To: Gary Gregory ; Sam Morgan
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

I would like to state a glitch that happens once in a great while on my
P3. It will stay on while transmitting and I see my transmitted signal.
If it is a glitch, it must be a SW one because the display hardware is
doing its job.  Then one would suggest it could be toggled on and
off  What a wonderful thought hint hint.

Mel, K6KBE





From: Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com
To: Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling


Sam,

I still believe in the ol saying...the squeeky wheel get's the oil...so
it's good to keep our requests up.

73


On 25 September 2013 01:03, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:


I know we aren't suppose to do the 'me to' kind of posts here
and before hundreds of others add theirs and the topic gets canned
(again)...

as far as I am concerned this is the only remaining 'feature' that ruins
an otherwise perfect station combo.

perhaps the Flex is worth looking at again if this is never going to be
addressed??


On 9/24/2013 9:11 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:


Your not alone...:-(


On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at

that
lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away
asking
me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he
saw my
signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line
Level was
four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit
power
was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked
clean
as
well.

Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal
quality
if
my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to
the
P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

One can dream and wish.

73, Bob, WB4SON





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling

2013-09-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

Mel,

Not a 'glitch'.

That is a hardware artifact.  The transmit signal you see is going 
through the 8 MHz IF which is being sampled by the P3.


So yes, you see your transmitted signal, but before it gets to the mixer 
and on-frequency RF stages.


It should still be useful for seeing that your audio levels and the 
modulation is OK, but it will not show you if the final RF output is 
still OK.  If all is working OK in the K3 (RF wise), then that is a good 
indication, but should the RF stages go non-linear (or other condition) 
because of some fault, that will not be seen on the P3.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2013 3:49 PM, Mel Farrer wrote:

I would like to state a glitch that happens once in a great while on my P3.  It 
will stay on while transmitting and I see my transmitted signal.  If it is a 
glitch, it must be a SW one because the display hardware is doing its job.  
Then one would suggest it could be toggled on and off  What a wonderful 
thought hint hint.

Mel, K6KBE





  From: Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com
To: Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request - Transmit sampling
  


Sam,

I still believe in the ol saying...the squeeky wheel get's the oil...so
it's good to keep our requests up.

73


On 25 September 2013 01:03, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:


I know we aren't suppose to do the 'me to' kind of posts here
and before hundreds of others add theirs and the topic gets canned
(again)...

as far as I am concerned this is the only remaining 'feature' that ruins
an otherwise perfect station combo.

perhaps the Flex is worth looking at again if this is never going to be
addressed??


On 9/24/2013 9:11 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:


Your not alone...:-(


On 25 September 2013 00:09, Bob wb4...@gmail.com wrote:

   So I've been loving my P3 for about 2 years now, and I keep looking at

that
lonely sensor window in the back, dreaming and wishing

Yesterday I received an email from a ham a few thousand miles away asking
me to clean up my signal -- I was running JT65 at the time, and he saw my
signal decode on his rig in a half-dozen spots across the waterfall.  I
panicked, of course, and immediately checked everything -- Line Level was
four bars steady with an occasional fifth bar flickering, transmit power
was 5.0 watts, monitor was sounding perfectly fine, and my handheld
receiver was sounding OK too.  Later that night a nearby ham was nice
enough to run a spectral analysis on my signal and found it looked clean
as
well.

Imagine how easy it would be for me to verify my outbound signal quality
if
my P3 had an outboard RF sampling tap that communicated via IR back to
the
P3 and allows the outbound RF to be displayed.

One can dream and wish.

73, Bob, WB4SON


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-15 Thread Stewart
Thanks Ian,
You got your brain round the explanation, where mine failed...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:31:24 +, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
 Alan Bloom wrote:
I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.


 The main use for XIT is in CW contests and simplex DX pileups, to apply
 a small 'tactical' offset of typically a few tens of Hz.  Full split
 operation is not appropriate in this situation - you can already hear
 everything in the main RX.

In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
transmit frequency on the P3.

 Nice makes it sound like eye candy - but it's more than that. Exactly
 where you'll be transmitting within the displayed spectrum is one of the
 most important pieces of information that the P3 has to offer.

I'm not sure that another cursor is the right answer though.  The
display is already crowded with two cursors and up to two markers.

I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be
colored red to make them stand out.

 In order of importance I'd put the transmitted spectrum occupancy some
 way ahead of the markers. It should pop up on the P3 whenever the
 'delta-F' LED is active on the K3, and preferably in red.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-15 Thread John Buck
I usually do not like me too posts, but:

I *_really_* like the idea of showing a high contrast line on the P3 
with the absolute frequency the K3 will transmit on. No exceptions, it 
must include split, QSK, XIT, CW, SSB, REV, etc.  This line could have 
menu options to be suppressed if the VOX is off or if the operator 
really does not want the feature.
I believe the existing displays on the K3 or on the P3 are could be 
improved toward idiot proof for split and me.

The feature could go a long way toward reducing inadvertent lid 
transmissions.  Of course you and I never have that problem!

Aloha,
John KH7T
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Stephen Prior
I would second this request.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 13/03/2011 21:56, Greg n...@cableone.net wrote:


Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   When a DX
station is working up, for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3.  If I have good
propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
last
station worked.  If some other part of the country or world has better
propagation, then I might like to be able to find a hole in the pile-up.
Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful.  73 de
Greg-N4CC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Stewart
This must be fairly high up on the to do list.

Using SPLIT and VFO B is not really a satisfactory alternative.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:20:13 +, Stephen  Prior wrote:
 I would second this request.

 73 Stephen G4SJP

 On 13/03/2011 21:56, Greg n...@cableone.net wrote:


Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   When a DX
station is working up, for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3.  If I have good
propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
last
station worked.  If some other part of the country or world has better
propagation, then I might like to be able to find a hole in the pile-up.
Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful.  73 de
Greg-N4CC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Doug Turnbull
Why is using split not a suitable alternative?   Am I missing something?   I
ask out of curiosity not as any form of criticism.   I use split with VFO B
all the time and see no problem with this arrangement and to be honest never
use nor understand the need for RIT and I would like to know why RIT is
there and why some prefer it.   So please do not take offence.

The P3 is a great help in finding a spot to park oneself when calling off
frequency.

 73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stewart
Sent: 14 March 2011 11:03
To: Stephen Prior; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

This must be fairly high up on the to do list.

Using SPLIT and VFO B is not really a satisfactory alternative.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:20:13 +, Stephen  Prior wrote:
 I would second this request.

 73 Stephen G4SJP

 On 13/03/2011 21:56, Greg n...@cableone.net wrote:


Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   When a DX
station is working up, for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3.  If I have good
propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
last
station worked.  If some other part of the country or world has better
propagation, then I might like to be able to find a hole in the pile-up.
Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful.  73 de
Greg-N4CC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Stewart
No offence taken Doug,
I think that you meant XIT not RIT.

Using SPLIT to mimic the action of XIT when operating SO2V in contests
could get a bit confusing...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:10:45 -, Doug Turnbull wrote:
 Why is using split not a suitable alternative?   Am I missing something?   I
 ask out of curiosity not as any form of criticism.   I use split with VFO B
 all the time and see no problem with this arrangement and to be honest never
 use nor understand the need for RIT and I would like to know why RIT is
 there and why some prefer it.   So please do not take offence.

 The P3 is a great help in finding a spot to park oneself when calling off
 frequency.

 73 Doug EI2CN

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 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stewart
 Sent: 14 March 2011 11:03
 To: Stephen Prior; elecraft
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

 This must be fairly high up on the to do list.

 Using SPLIT and VFO B is not really a satisfactory alternative.

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:20:13 +, Stephen  Prior wrote:
 I would second this request.

 73 Stephen G4SJP

 On 13/03/2011 21:56, Greg n...@cableone.net wrote:


Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   When a DX
station is working up, for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3.  If I have good
propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the
last
station worked.  If some other part of the country or world has better
propagation, then I might like to be able to find a hole in the pile-up.
Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful.  73 de
Greg-N4CC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Alan Bloom
I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
transmit frequency on the P3.  I'm not sure that another cursor is the
right answer though.  The display is already crowded with two cursors
and up to two markers.

I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be
colored red to make them stand out.

Alan


On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
 n...@cableone.net wrote:
  
  Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
  like
  to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   
  
 
 If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
 the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band.  I use
 this existing capability all the time to work pileups.  Does XIT have some
 other advantage that I'm missing?
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread k . igor


I don't know about the XIT, I don't use it that often. But when split is active 
and VFO B is transmit frequency, it would be nice if the color of VFO B cursor 
changes to reflect that. 



73, 



Igor, N1YX 

  
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Bloom a...@elecraft.com 
To: Stan Gibbs s...@ajaxsoftware.com 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:32:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request 

I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control 
the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does 
affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT. 

In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual 
transmit frequency on the P3.  I'm not sure that another cursor is the 
right answer though.  The display is already crowded with two cursors 
and up to two markers. 

I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of 
the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be 
colored red to make them stand out. 

Alan 


On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote: 
 n...@cableone.net wrote: 
  
  Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would 
  like 
  to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   
  
 
 If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and 
 the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band.  I use 
 this existing capability all the time to work pileups.  Does XIT have some 
 other advantage that I'm missing? 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Alan Bloom wrote:
I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control 
the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does 
affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.


The main use for XIT is in CW contests and simplex DX pileups, to apply 
a small 'tactical' offset of typically a few tens of Hz.  Full split 
operation is not appropriate in this situation - you can already hear 
everything in the main RX.

In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual 
transmit frequency on the P3.

Nice makes it sound like eye candy - but it's more than that. Exactly 
where you'll be transmitting within the displayed spectrum is one of the 
most important pieces of information that the P3 has to offer.

I'm not sure that another cursor is the right answer though.  The 
display is already crowded with two cursors and up to two markers.

I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of 
the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be 
colored red to make them stand out.

In order of importance I'd put the transmitted spectrum occupancy some 
way ahead of the markers. It should pop up on the P3 whenever the 
'delta-F' LED is active on the K3, and preferably in red.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hi Alan,

If it came to a vote, I would suggest the use of a full height vertical line 
to indicate one's transmitter frequency on any panadapter's spectrum 
display, because it is much easier to see than a cursor or a marker or a 
couple of little arrows, especially at 3 am. Also when using a full height 
vertical line, it becomes easy to set one's Tx carrier frequency into the 
'right hole' during a pileup.

I would suggest that if you do use a full height vertical line, it dhould be 
placed behind the panadapter's spectrum display.

Of course,whether one's Tx frequency is set by VFO B or XIT, or by any other 
means, this should not affect the panadapter's indication of one's Tx 
frequency.

If you could colour a vertical line red that would be a bonus.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


On March 14, 2011, at 16:32Z, Alan Bloom wrote:



I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
 the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
 affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

 In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
 transmit frequency on the P3.  I'm not sure that another cursor is the
 right answer though.  The display is already crowded with two cursors
 and up to two markers.

 I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
 the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be
 colored red to make them stand out.

 Alan



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Alan,

 I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to
 control the transmit frequency. I think a lot of people use RIT
 (which does affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use
 XIT.

I'm not sure I agree with you ... I know I regularly use XIT when
chasing a CW DX and the station I'm calling is working the edges
of an on frequency pile-up.  Using XIT at +/-200 Hz is much more
convenient that using split with VFO A/B.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 3/14/2011 12:32 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
 the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
 affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

 In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
 transmit frequency on the P3.  I'm not sure that another cursor is the
 right answer though.  The display is already crowded with two cursors
 and up to two markers.

 I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
 the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be
 colored red to make them stand out.

 Alan


 On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
 n...@cableone.net wrote:

 Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
 like
 to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.


 If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
 the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band.  I use
 this existing capability all the time to work pileups.  Does XIT have some
 other advantage that I'm missing?


 -
 73, Stan - KR7C
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Nels Anderson
Along the same lines, it would be handy when running split if the P3 
displayed both the VFO A and VFO B frequencies. This would provide an 
additional reminder that you are running split and allow you to easily 
see exactly where VFO B was just by watching the P3.

Nels K1UR

On 3/14/2011 1:13 PM, k.i...@comcast.net wrote:

 I don't know about the XIT, I don't use it that often. But when split is 
 active and VFO B is transmit frequency, it would be nice if the color of VFO 
 B cursor changes to reflect that.



 73,



 Igor, N1YX

   
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Blooma...@elecraft.com
 To: Stan Gibbss...@ajaxsoftware.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:32:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

 I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
 the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
 affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

 In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
 transmit frequency on the P3.  I'm not sure that another cursor is the
 right answer though.  The display is already crowded with two cursors
 and up to two markers.

 I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
 the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be
 colored red to make them stand out.

 Alan


 On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
 n...@cableone.net wrote:
 Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
 like
 to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.

 If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
 the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band.  I use
 this existing capability all the time to work pileups.  Does XIT have some
 other advantage that I'm missing?


 -
 73, Stan - KR7C
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-14 Thread Doug Turnbull
A flashing TX cursor might help prevent accidental calling on a DX stations
frequency.   On occasion I need a stick of dynamite to jar me awake.
   73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nels Anderson
Sent: 14 March 2011 20:21
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

Along the same lines, it would be handy when running split if the P3 
displayed both the VFO A and VFO B frequencies. This would provide an 
additional reminder that you are running split and allow you to easily 
see exactly where VFO B was just by watching the P3.

Nels K1UR

On 3/14/2011 1:13 PM, k.i...@comcast.net wrote:

 I don't know about the XIT, I don't use it that often. But when split is
active and VFO B is transmit frequency, it would be nice if the color of VFO
B cursor changes to reflect that.



 73,



 Igor, N1YX

   
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 From: Alan Blooma...@elecraft.com
 To: Stan Gibbss...@ajaxsoftware.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:32:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

 I agree that XIT is probably used much less often than VFO B to control
 the transmit frequency.  I think a lot of people use RIT (which does
 affect the cursor frequency on the P3) but fewer use XIT.

 In either case, it would be nice to have an indication of the actual
 transmit frequency on the P3.  I'm not sure that another cursor is the
 right answer though.  The display is already crowded with two cursors
 and up to two markers.

 I'm thinking along the lines of little arrows at the top and bottom of
 the screen, where the frequency tic marks are located.  They could be
 colored red to make them stand out.

 Alan


 On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 21:19 -0700, Stan Gibbs wrote:
 n...@cableone.net wrote:
 Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
 like
 to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.

 If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency
and
 the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band.  I use
 this existing capability all the time to work pileups.  Does XIT have
some
 other advantage that I'm missing?


 -
 73, Stan - KR7C
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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-13 Thread Greg
Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would like
to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   When a DX
station is working up, for example, I would like to see the pile-up and
place my transmit frequency based on what I see on the P3.  If I have good
propagation to a station, then I may want to put the XIT marker on the last
station worked.  If some other part of the country or world has better
propagation, then I might like to be able to find a hole in the pile-up.
Being able to have the marker follow the XIT would be useful.  73 de
Greg-N4CC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-03-13 Thread Stan Gibbs

n...@cableone.net wrote:
 
 Hi All - Perhaps this was mentioned before and I missed it.but I would
 like
 to see a marker that would act as a marker when using XIT.   
 

If you enable the SPLIT function, VFO B will control your TX frequency and
the P3 has a purple cursor that shows where VFO B is in the band.  I use
this existing capability all the time to work pileups.  Does XIT have some
other advantage that I'm missing?


-
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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-01-27 Thread Jim Brown
I'm finding it quite useful to switch between peak hold mode and 
averaging mode, but the gain setting for the two modes differ by at 
least 10 dB. The gain setting also varies widely from one antenna to 
another, and from one band to another.

I'd like a function that allows me to store a gain OFFSET between peak 
and averaging modes -- that is, so that the gain is automatically 
reduced by a certain amount when I switch to peak hold mode.

While it might also be nice to have the P3 remember and automatically 
recall gain settings per band, my experience so far suggests that there 
is far too much variation from hour to hour, and from antenna to 
antenna, for this to be as useful as it might appear.

73, Jim Brown K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request

2011-01-27 Thread Grant Youngman
It isn't really a gain issue -- it's an issue between peak signal levels and 
average levels.

Depending on signals, noise and band conditions, that delta could also be quite 
variable.

Grant/NQ5T

On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

 I'm finding it quite useful to switch between peak hold mode and 
 averaging mode, but the gain setting for the two modes differ by at 
 least 10 dB. The gain setting also varies widely from one antenna to 
 another, and from one band to another.
 
 I'd like a function that allows me to store a gain OFFSET between peak 
 and averaging modes -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] Feature request

2011-01-10 Thread Trevor Smithers
Any comment from the P3 developers on this request please.

Trevor  G0KTN

 Original Message  dated 29 December 2010 

The following is a re-post of a request back in August which may have got 
missed in the noise. 
Did it make its way to the to do list ?

22 August 2010
Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the actual 
frequency of 
the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever has been set.

So, if you had a CF of 7.038.6 the P3 screen would show 7.008.6 - 7.038.6 - 
7.068.6

73
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[Elecraft] [P3] Feature request

2010-12-29 Thread Trevor Smithers
The following is a re-post of a request back in August which may have got 
missed in the noise. 
Did it make its way to the to do list ?

22 August 2010
Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the actual 
frequency of 
the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever has been set.

So, if you had a CF of 7.038.6 the P3 screen would show 7.008.6 - 7.038.6 - 
7.068.6

73
Trevor  G0KTN 
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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] Feature request

2010-12-29 Thread riese-k3djc
 
I would vote 100 % for that 

Bob K3DJC


On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:34 + (GMT Standard Time) tsmith...@cix.co.uk
(Trevor Smithers) writes:
 The following is a re-post of a request back in August which may have 
 got missed in the noise. 
 Did it make its way to the to do list ?
 
 22 August 2010
 Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the 
 actual 
 frequency of 
 the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever has been 
 set.
 
 So, if you had a CF of 7.038.6 the P3 screen would show 7.008.6 - 
 7.038.6 - 
 7.068.6
 
 73
 Trevor  G0KTN 
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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request ...

2010-10-19 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Alan,

A feature request for the P3 ... please adjust the Ref level
internally to accommodate the 6 dB level shift when the K3
sub-receiver is turned on/off if it is using the Main antenna.

It's quite annoying to have the baseline drop out the bottom of
the display when turning on the sub RX ... particularly since
there is no level shift with PRE or ATT!

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request ...

2010-10-19 Thread Stan Gibbs


Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
 
 
 A feature request for the P3 ... please adjust the Ref level
 internally to accommodate the 6 dB level shift when the K3
 sub-receiver is turned on/off if it is using the Main antenna.
 
 

I second the request!


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request ...

2010-10-19 Thread Bill K9YEQ
I tried with my radio and don't notice this.  I use main for now as my 2nd
ant has bit the dirt.

Bill
K9YEQ


-Original Message-
Alan,

A feature request for the P3 ... please adjust the Ref level internally to
accommodate the 6 dB level shift when the K3 sub-receiver is turned on/off
if it is using the Main antenna.

It's quite annoying to have the baseline drop out the bottom of the display
when turning on the sub RX ... particularly since there is no level shift
with PRE or ATT!

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

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Re: [Elecraft] (P3) Feature request Span frequency display

2010-08-23 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:42 +0100 (BST), Trevor Smithers wrote:

Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the actual 
frequency of the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever 
has been set.

This is also on my wish list. 

Another wish that might be tougher -- I'd like to set limits of the display 
in terms of frequency and have the RX window move across the screen rather 
than stay fixed. Now, I realize this isn't easy, but it would be QUITE 
useful.

73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] (P3) Feature request Span frequency display

2010-08-23 Thread Brett Howard
This is also on the list to be implemented... Stay tuned...

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:
 On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:42 +0100 (BST), Trevor Smithers wrote:

Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the actual
frequency of the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever
has been set.

 This is also on my wish list.

 Another wish that might be tougher -- I'd like to set limits of the display
 in terms of frequency and have the RX window move across the screen rather
 than stay fixed. Now, I realize this isn't easy, but it would be QUITE
 useful.

 73, Jim K9YC



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[Elecraft] (P3) Feature request Span frequency display

2010-08-22 Thread Trevor Smithers
Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the actual 
frequency of 
the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever has been set.

So, if you had a CF of 7.038.6 the P3 screen would show 7.008.6 - 7.038.6 - 
7.068.6

73
Trevor  G0KTN 
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Re: [Elecraft] (P3) Feature request Span frequency display

2010-08-22 Thread Brett Howard
I've also wished for this feature to be in place...  I have a feeling
its only a matter on that one though.

~Brett (N7MG)

On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 11:42 +0100, Trevor Smithers wrote:
 Would it be possible to include an option under Span to display the actual 
 frequency of 
 the upper and lower offsets rather than -30 +30 or whatever has been set.
 
 So, if you had a CF of 7.038.6 the P3 screen would show 7.008.6 - 7.038.6 - 
 7.068.6
 
 73
 Trevor  G0KTN 
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[Elecraft] [P3] Feature request for easier QS

2010-08-22 Thread kz5d

Alan and others,

Thanks for the quick input and suggestions. Alan, I've played with the QSY 
function quite a few times since reading your reply. And it seems your software 
is working properly. I haven't had a problem when tapping the knob firmly to 
QSY. Thanks for adding that into 032. I loaded the latest version as soon as I 
received my P3, so I'm not quite sure how I had ended up moving the frequency 
slightly as I was tapping the knob. Might have been tapping it a little to 
gently. 

73,

Art KZ5D

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[Elecraft] [P3] Feature request

2010-08-15 Thread Bruce Beford
I am using latest beta firmware 0.31 on my new P3. I notice that when the
peak hold function is enabled, it disables spectrum averaging (if it was
enabled). Would it be possible to have peak hold available while using
display averaging?

Bruce, N1RX
K3 559, P3 97


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