Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" (OT)

[Mike Morrow]

I wrote:

> Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the
> only place where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands).

Phil wrote:

> Not so, Mike.  There are several MF/HF Public Coast Stations still on 
> the air in the US, using CW and RTTY/SITOR (commercial AMTOR) to handle 
> public correspondence with ships.  Morse is not banned on the maritime 
> channels, just no longer required for distress and safety purposes.

Phil, my outlook on those operations is different, though I accept your
point that they are another venue outside ham radio where Morse operations
take place (rarely).

I'm very familiar with the wonderful efforts of RD and the others at
www.radiomarine.org , including the several times each year that they
do a very limited revival of operations from what's left of a couple of
famous Pacific Coast stations, often in conjunction with some old
Victory or Liberty museum ship whose Morse station has been activated
for the special event.

But it is all essentially a historical reenactment by historical
preservationist groups.  Bona fide profit- and safety-driven commercial
Morse operations in the USA ended on 12 July 1999.  As interesting and laudable
as these reenactments are, they do not represent any remnant of the originals
that continues to serve real commercial and regulatory (SOLAS) requirements.

It is odd but true that the FCC will still license stations and operators for
this service, although Second Class Radiotelegraph licenses have had greatly
reduced Morse exam requirements for about 25 years, since the FCC allowed 
crediting the very simple Amateur Extra Morse exam to the commercial ticket.
But the FCC also continued to offer the Aircraft Radiotelegraph Operator exam
and endorsement for decades after the last aircraft radiotelegraph operator
position had been eliminated, so it's anyone's guess how many decades these
other obsolete tickets will be issued.  I let mine expire 15 years ago.

Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR" (OT)

[Phil Kane]

On 9/28/2008 10:07 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:


Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the only 
place
where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands).


Not so, Mike.  There are several MF/HF Public Coast Stations still on 
the air in the US, using CW and RTTY/SITOR (commercial AMTOR) to handle 
public correspondence with ships.  Morse is not banned on the maritime 
channels, just no longer required for distress and safety purposes.


See   for more info.
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73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] "QRRR" (OT)

[Mike Morrow]

Paul wrote:

>Around 1969 or 70 I was taught in both code classes offered by a local club 
>and "getting started" kinds of books (probably ARRL publications) that QRRR 
>was a standard distress signal. I remember having the impression that SOS 
>was "old fashion" and that QRRR was preferred.

That's one of many examples why ham-info should *always* be considered suspect
until it has been checked against facts from outside the ham community.

>I've never heard either one in actual use.

I wonder if SOS has ever been used on the ham bands and documented.  I've never
heard of such, in 40 years.  I kept a receiver on the maritime MF distress
and calling frequency (500 kHz) nightly for many years and never
heard a distress call.  (I did hear a lot of other interesting stuff there.)

There's a very clear and concise explaination of these distress and safety
prosigns at http://ship25bsa.org/mayday.html .  The text cites the Marconi 
"Yearbook of Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony" (1918) as saying:

"[SOS] was adopted simply on account of its easy radiation and its unmistakable
character.  There is no special signification in the letter themselves, and it
is entirely incorrect to put full stops between them [the letters]."

>I think that from a practical point of view I would stick with SOS (or "Mayday"
>on voice) because of the almost universal recognition that comes from the 
>hundreds or thousands of TV and movie scenes that have used these over the
>years.

However, the SOS on most of these movies is sent as three individual characters,
not as the correct single character.  One movie from 1979 is even titled
"S. O. S. Titanic" although IIRC the Morse transmissions in the opening credits
sent the sign properly, even to the point of simulating the sound of a spark
transmitter.  But even if incorrectly sent as S O S, it makes much more sense 
than
that idiotic QRRR proposition. 

For a tremendously interesting description of maritime Morse operations on 500 
kHz
(the most important Morse frequency of all time) from only 30 years ago, see the
seven part series written by KH2PZ at http://jproc.ca/radiostor/cw500pt1.html .
Part six describes his first SOS as a US Coast Guard coast station radio 
operator.

Its all gone now, except for a few who try to keep memories alive in the only 
place
where Morse (of some nature) is still in service (the ham bands).

Mike / KK5F
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[Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Douglas G. Bonett]

> “What ever happened to "PAN" and "MAYDAY?"


They are still in use by commercial operators. See table below.


Message TypeTelephony   Telegraphy

DistressMAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY SOS SOS SOS 
Urgency PAN PAN  PAN PAN  PAN PANXXX XXX XXX
Safety  SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY   TTT TTT TTT 



Doug, N0HH


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RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Paul Huff]

Never heard of such nonsense


Around 1969 or 70 I was taught in both code classes offered by a local club 
and "getting started" kinds of books (probably ARRL publications) that QRRR 
was a standard distress signal.  I remember having the impression that SOS 
was "old fashion" and that QRRR was preferred, but that might have been just 
my personal misunderstanding.  Fortunately I've never heard either one in 
actual use.  I think that from a practical point of view I would stick with 
SOS ( or "Mayday" on voice) because of the almost universal recognition that 
comes from the hundreds or thousands of TV and movie scenes that have used 
these over the years.


73,
Paul - N8XMS

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[Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Terry Myers]

What ever happened to "PAN" and "MAYDAY?"


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave G4AON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"



From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call"

Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If 
someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who 
can read CW will understand that.


73 Dave, G4AON
(ex marine radio officer)

/>Would someone explain what "QRRR" is73 de Ed N7EDK/



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RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Charles Harpole]

If I had real trouble, on phone,

I would say "HELP, EMERGENCY, HELP ME"

which would be understood by all English

speakers anywhere.


Charles Harpole

[EMAIL PROTECTED]






> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:43:46 +0200
>
> David,
>
> You are correct, PAN PAN three times is the right phrase.
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens David Woolley (E.L)
> Verzonden: zondag 28 september 2008 10:32
> Aan: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"
>
>
> Dave G4AON wrote:
>> Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three
>> times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt
>
> I believe it is PAN-PAN that should be repeated three times, i.e.
> PAN-PAN PAN-PAN PAN-PAN. Only one MAYDAY or PAN-PAN is used in each
> subsequent transmission.
>
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RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

David,

You are correct, PAN PAN  three times is the right phrase.

73
Arie PA3A

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens David Woolley (E.L)
Verzonden: zondag 28 september 2008 10:32
Aan: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"


Dave G4AON wrote:
> Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three
> times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt

I believe it is PAN-PAN that should be repeated three times, i.e. 
PAN-PAN PAN-PAN PAN-PAN.  Only one MAYDAY or PAN-PAN is used in each 
subsequent transmission.


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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[David Cutter]

I think the Titanic use C Q D which was not at the time universally 
recognised.  I think it was taught only to Marconi operators at the time. 
Some use DDD which is quite musical and I would prefer to SOS, were I around 
to give my opinion.  Someone will tell us when SOS was universally accepted, 
which I think was soon after Titanic.


David
G3UNA

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"


Yes, that is indeed what it means. And, since it was established by the
ARRL, it's no surprise Hams in other countries don't know it.

Since so little CW is used for distress communications these days, it's no
wonder few current American Hams know it. That's what prompted my question.

Originally it was QRR, established by the ARRL in the 1930's to avoid any
confusion with a maritime distress call. (The third R was added sometime in
the post WWII years, probably to make it stand out.) Remember, ships used
the "short waves" too, and there was great concern that some vessel at sea
not go on alert by accident should one tune across a Ham signal asking for
emergency assistance ashore.

It may surprise many Hams today to know that emergency communications was
the raison d'être for Amateur Radio for many decades (before contesting took
over ;-) Traffic handling - mostly on CW of course - was a huge undertaking
involving a great many Hams, at least all over the USA, who kept daily nets
and schedules simply to move traffic. Message handling was training for
emergency service. Awards were given for those handling the most traffic
most efficiently, much like recognition is given to contest winners today.

Indeed, our current "DX windows" at the lower 25 kHz of the bands were
originally set aside for emergency communications. When the Federal
Communications Commission (FCC) declared an emergency, they were off limits
to all US Amateurs except stations engaged in actual emergency traffic
handling.

The entire 160 meter band was completely shut down to all but emergency
communications when an emergency was declared by the FCC.

Now we 'shut down' whole bands for a contest by sheer QRM if not by rule ;-)

How times change, but emergencies still happen and there are many Hams for
whom emergency communications is their first interest. They drop everything
to support their fellow Hams following earthquakes, storms, and other
disasters. Like the maritime services today, they generally use voice rather
than Morse, but otherwise not much has changed. Ships use satellite phones
or VHF radios when they are in range and working, just like Hams often turn
to VHF radios and  repeaters when they are in range and working. But the
mainstay, the always dependable workhorse of emergency communications for
both ships at sea and Hams ashore, remains point-to-point communications on
the HF "short waves" by any mode that works.

That need for flexible emergency communications on HF is the primary reason
we Hams have permission to share the commercial SSB frequencies around 60
meters today.

Ron AC7AC (maritime radiotelegraph operator and GMDSS system maintainer and
operator).


-Original Message-
From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call"

Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If
someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who
can read CW will understand that.

73 Dave, G4AON
(ex marine radio officer)

/>Would someone explain what "QRRR" is73 de Ed N7EDK/


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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[David Woolley (E.L)]

Dave G4AON wrote:

Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three
times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt


I believe it is PAN-PAN that should be repeated three times, i.e. 
PAN-PAN PAN-PAN PAN-PAN.  Only one MAYDAY or PAN-PAN is used in each 
subsequent transmission.


Incidentally, in aviation use, I believe that PRACTICE-PAN is used for 
simulated emergencies, and probably ought to be used in other exercises.



anyone would recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse
the call with adult films or very strong beer!


The voice ones, however, are stilled used for aviation purposes.

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[Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Mike Morrow]

Dave wrote:

>...the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three 
>times) is XXX XXX XXX...

Ed wrote:

>Never heard of such nonsense

Even those who have decades of ham Morse experience are often
unfamiliar with basic commercial, maritime, or military Morse
usage.  Sadly, it's worth learning today only for historical
reasons.

The most common misunderstanding has always been the use of SOS.
It must be sent as one character (...---...), never as S O S 
(...  ---  ...).  When correctly sent, it has a very distinctive
sound.  That was the intent.

Oddly, one of the USAF's 1950s-era emergency Morse keyers,
used to automatically key an aircraft transmitter with SOS and
aircraft ID, sent S O S rather than the correct SOS.  I don't
know if that was intentional, or just an error made by the
engineer who designed the motorized cam wheel surfaces that 
determined the keying sequence.  I suspect the latter.

I've never liked ham-only inventions like QRRR or even KN.  They
have no reason for existence.  Commercial or miltary Morse usage
always set the standard wherever Morse communications had 
importance beyond hobby purposes.

Mike / KK5F
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RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Yes, that is indeed what it means. And, since it was established by the
ARRL, it's no surprise Hams in other countries don't know it. 

Since so little CW is used for distress communications these days, it's no
wonder few current American Hams know it. That's what prompted my question. 

Originally it was QRR, established by the ARRL in the 1930's to avoid any
confusion with a maritime distress call. (The third R was added sometime in
the post WWII years, probably to make it stand out.) Remember, ships used
the "short waves" too, and there was great concern that some vessel at sea
not go on alert by accident should one tune across a Ham signal asking for
emergency assistance ashore. 

It may surprise many Hams today to know that emergency communications was
the raison d'être for Amateur Radio for many decades (before contesting took
over ;-) Traffic handling - mostly on CW of course - was a huge undertaking
involving a great many Hams, at least all over the USA, who kept daily nets
and schedules simply to move traffic. Message handling was training for
emergency service. Awards were given for those handling the most traffic
most efficiently, much like recognition is given to contest winners today. 

Indeed, our current "DX windows" at the lower 25 kHz of the bands were
originally set aside for emergency communications. When the Federal
Communications Commission (FCC) declared an emergency, they were off limits
to all US Amateurs except stations engaged in actual emergency traffic
handling. 

The entire 160 meter band was completely shut down to all but emergency
communications when an emergency was declared by the FCC. 

Now we 'shut down' whole bands for a contest by sheer QRM if not by rule ;-)

How times change, but emergencies still happen and there are many Hams for
whom emergency communications is their first interest. They drop everything
to support their fellow Hams following earthquakes, storms, and other
disasters. Like the maritime services today, they generally use voice rather
than Morse, but otherwise not much has changed. Ships use satellite phones
or VHF radios when they are in range and working, just like Hams often turn
to VHF radios and  repeaters when they are in range and working. But the
mainstay, the always dependable workhorse of emergency communications for
both ships at sea and Hams ashore, remains point-to-point communications on
the HF "short waves" by any mode that works. 

That need for flexible emergency communications on HF is the primary reason
we Hams have permission to share the commercial SSB frequencies around 60
meters today.  

Ron AC7AC (maritime radiotelegraph operator and GMDSS system maintainer and
operator). 


-Original Message-
 From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call"

Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If 
someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who 
can read CW will understand that.

73 Dave, G4AON
(ex marine radio officer)

/>Would someone explain what "QRRR" is73 de Ed N7EDK/


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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Bob Cunnings]

Here's a link that may be interesting to cw ops:

http://www.radiomarine.org/500-4.html

from the NMO series at:

http://www.radiomarine.org/tales.html

various prosigns, silent period, SOS procedures are described in detail.

Bob NW8L



On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Dave G4AON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three times) is
> XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would
> recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with adult
> films or very strong beer!
>
> 73 Dave, G4AON
> ---
> What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan
> pan" on land SSB?
>
> Jon LA4RT
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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Ed K1EP]

At 9/27/2008 10:07 AM, Dave G4AON wrote:
Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three 
times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt 
anyone would recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse 
the call with adult films or very strong beer!


Never heard of such nonsense

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RE: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

MORSE  - SSB= about

SOS -  Mayday= Distress Traffic

TTT  -  Securité   =  Safety  Traffic

XXX  -   Pan Pan Pan   =  Urgent traffic



73
Arie PA3A

Ex PCOH, PJUB, PCOB, the rest I forgot.  (all ship callsigns)




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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Monty Shultes]

To quote from Wikipedia:

""pan-pan" means there is an emergency on board a boat, ship, aircraft, or 
other vehicle but that, for the time beinf at least, there is no immediate 
danger to anyone's life or the vessel itself.  This is referred to as a 
state of urgency.  This is distinct from a Mayday call, which means there is 
immenent danger to life or to the continued viability of the vessel itself"


Ok I'll bite...what's "Pan Pan".. I've been 99% CW for almost 45 years, 
pls excuse my ignorance.


Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave G4AON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"


Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three times) 
is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would 
recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with 
adult films or very strong beer!


73 Dave, G4AON
---
What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan
pan" on land SSB?

Jon LA4RT
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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Tom McCulloch]

Ok I'll bite...what's "Pan Pan".. I've been 99% CW for almost 45 years, pls 
excuse my ignorance.


Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave G4AON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"


Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three times) 
is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone would 
recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call with 
adult films or very strong beer!


73 Dave, G4AON
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What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan
pan" on land SSB?

Jon LA4RT
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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Dave G4AON]

Jon, the CW equivalent of PAN PAN PAN (it should be repeated three 
times) is XXX XXX XXX (again repeated three times), which I doubt anyone 
would recognise or understand these days... Except to confuse the call 
with adult films or very strong beer!


73 Dave, G4AON
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What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan
pan" on land SSB?

Jon LA4RT
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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Jon Kåre Hellan]

Dave G4AON wrote:

 From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call"

Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If 
someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who 
can read CW will understand that.




What's the CW equivalent of "Pan pan"? Would it make sense to use "pan 
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Re: [Elecraft] "QRRR"

[Dave G4AON]

From a Google search "QRRR Official ARRL land distress call"

Never heard of such nonsense, if indeed that is what it means. If 
someone really is in distress they should call SOS at least everyone who 
can read CW will understand that.


73 Dave, G4AON
(ex marine radio officer)

/>Would someone explain what "QRRR" is73 de Ed N7EDK/



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[Elecraft] "QRRR"

[edward kacura]

Would someone explain what "QRRR" is73 de Ed N7EDK


  
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