Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[David Herring]

Investor.  ;-) 

I’ll grant you we’re not investors in the traditional sense. But we’ve invested 
in the company nonetheless. Would you prefer venture capitalist instead? We 
provided funds that Elecraft was able to use to stay afloat and continue 
engineering and manufacturing efforts. Sure, we’re not going to make back 
millions on our “investment” and we have no stake in the company, but we will 
get one heck of a radio. That’s really all I cared about, to be honest. 

Someone in the thread mentioned they are hearing lots of excuses. I have not. 
If all I was getting was excuses I would have cut ties and got a refund a long 
time ago. What I’ve heard are valid reasons. Actual real verifiable things that 
have happened that are out of anyone’s control.  Perhaps it’s just a matter of 
personal perspective.

I think that most agree a periodic official update with a little more 
regularity would be nice, but perhaps not at the cost of getting rigs out the 
door.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
> expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
> wondering or asking.
> 
> And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
> also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
> transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)
> 
> Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
> might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
> when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
> downsides.
> 
> The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
> a small satellite instead. :D
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey  > wrote:
> 
>> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of
>> whenever they can?”
>> PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
>> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
>> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
>> me but that’s probably asking too much.
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
>> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
>> to lower-priority support emails).
>> 
>> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
>> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
>> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
>> the website would also be nice.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey > > wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>> 
>>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>> 
>>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Hal
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?"
>>> 
>>> Yes, that, right there.
>>> 
>>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>>> event
>>> videos to hear it?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?
>>> 
>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>> 
>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>> 
>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>> 
>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>> 
>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Julia Tuttle]

Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
wondering or asking.

And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)

Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
downsides.

The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
a small satellite instead. :D

73,

Julie

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey  wrote:

> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of
> whenever they can?”
> PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
> me but that’s probably asking too much.
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>
> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
> to lower-priority support emails).
>
> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
> the website would also be nice.
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey  wrote:
>
>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>
>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>
>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>
>> Regards
>> Hal
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>>
>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?"
>>
>> Yes, that, right there.
>>
>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>> event
>> videos to hear it?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
>>
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?
>>
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>
>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>
>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>
>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>
>> W0MU
>>
>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>
>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>
>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>
>>
>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>
>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>
>>
>> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>> process.
>>
>>
>> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>>
>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>>
>>
>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>
>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>>
>>
>> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>>
>> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>>
>>
>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>
>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
>>
>> Presentation from the Expo.
>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>
>> Swartz
>>
>> WA6HHQ 
>>
>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>> I 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Hal Massey]

Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of 
whenever they can?” 
PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold of 
the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A loud 
sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for me but 
that’s probably asking too much.

Regards
-Hal

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> 
> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on other 
> parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding to 
> lower-priority support emails).
> 
> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list and 
> clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details come 
> out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on the 
> website would also be nice.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey  > wrote:
> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video. 
> 
> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight 
> with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel 
> great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email 
> with status is not cheap. 
> 
> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications? 
> 
> Regards
> Hal
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle > > wrote:
>> 
>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?"
>> 
>> Yes, that, right there.
>> 
>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
>> videos to hear it?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett > > wrote:
>> 
>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?
>>> 
>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>> 
>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>> 
>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
 Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
 
 Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>>> rendered the project unaffordable.
 
 What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>>> process.
 
 Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
 
 Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
 
 None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>>> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
 
 That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
 
 73,
 David - N5DCH
 
 
 
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  > wrote:
> 
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>> Swartz
> WA6HHQ  >
> 
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>>> go
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>>> Note:
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>>> and
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>>> the
> Expo date: 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Julia Tuttle]

I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on other
parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding to
lower-priority support emails).

I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
the website would also be nice.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey  wrote:

> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>
> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight
> with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel
> great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email
> with status is not cheap.
>
> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>
> Regards
> Hal
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>
> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?"
>
> Yes, that, right there.
>
> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
> videos to hear it?
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
>
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?
>
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>
> W0MU
>
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>
> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>
> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>
>
> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>
> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
> rendered the project unaffordable.
>
>
> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>
> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
> process.
>
>
> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>
> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>
>
> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>
> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>
>
> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>
> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>
>
> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>
> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
>
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>
> Swartz
>
> WA6HHQ 
>
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>
> go
>
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>
> Note:
>
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>
> and
>
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>
> the
>
> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>
> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>
> other
>
> segments.
> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>
> have
>
> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>
> Plus
>
> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>
> handled
>
> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>
> up.
>
>
> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Hal Massey]

What do you have in mind? I liked the event video. 

The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight with 
your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel great 
about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email with status 
is not cheap. 

Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications? 

Regards
Hal

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> 
> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?"
> 
> Yes, that, right there.
> 
> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
> videos to hear it?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  > wrote:
> 
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?
>> 
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>> 
>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>> 
>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>> 
>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>> 
>> W0MU
>> 
>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>> 
>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>> 
>>> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>> process.
>>> 
>>> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>>> 
>>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>>> 
>>> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>>> 
>>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
 
 Presentation from the Expo.
 Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>> Swartz
 WA6HHQ 
 
 Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
 I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>> go
 back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>> Note:
 I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>> and
 over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
 These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
 errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>> the
 Expo date: March 13, 2021.
 
 Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>> other
 segments.
 -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>> have
 now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
 weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>> Plus
 parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>> handled
 yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>> up.
 
 Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
 -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
 make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
 -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
 -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>> A is
 done.
 -Group B is even larger than Group A.
 -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
 consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>> started
 shipping.
 -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>> to
 wait?", he answered, 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Hal Massey]

They did communicate and recently. Did you miss that? 

I also cracked up at the word investor. Customer and investor are worlds apart. 

Are you an actual stake holder in this conversation? I am. I paid in advance 
for my K4.


I don’t feel like I need anymore communications than I have already received. 
Nor do I feel like rehashing this over and over or having non stake holders 
popping off randomly will make any difference. Did I miss something? 

Regards
-Hal



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
> 
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these 
> things like they used to?
> 
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  
> HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are 
> they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait 
> times but not in the years category.
> 
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer unless 
> I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
> 
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with people 
> that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible so difficult. 
>  I don't get it.
> 
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, 
>> his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May. 
>>  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of 
>> his presentations live and did hear that.
>> 
>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at 
>> one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because 
>> tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered 
>> the project unaffordable.
>> 
>> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft 
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the 
>> process.
>> 
>> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d ordered, 
>> perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>> 
>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires 
>> (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>> 
>> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have been 
>> foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>> 
>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  
>> Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the 
>> issues as they come and moving forward.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
>>> WA6HHQ 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>> 
>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
>>> segments.
>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
>>> 
>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
>>> done.
>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
>>> shipping.
>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>> - Testimonials from K4 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Julia Tuttle]

"The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?"

Yes, that, right there.

However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
videos to hear it?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:

> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?
>
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>
> W0MU
>
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
> > Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
> >
> > Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
> rendered the project unaffordable.
> >
> > What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
> process.
> >
> > Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
> >
> > Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
> >
> > None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
> >
> > That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
> >
> > 73,
> > David - N5DCH
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
> >>
> >> Presentation from the Expo.
> >> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
> Swartz
> >> WA6HHQ 
> >>
> >> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> >> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
> go
> >> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
> Note:
> >> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
> and
> >> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> >> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> >> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
> the
> >> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
> >>
> >> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
> other
> >> segments.
> >> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
> have
> >> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> >> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
> Plus
> >> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
> handled
> >> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
> up.
> >>
> >> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> >> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> >> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> >> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> >> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
> A is
> >> done.
> >> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> >> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> >> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
> started
> >> shipping.
> >> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
> to
> >> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> >> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> >> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> >> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> >> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> >> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> >> list.
> >>
> >> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> >> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> >> right? I 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us 
these things like they used to?


I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for 
everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor 
in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios 
have some wait times but not in the years category.


K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer 
unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.


Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with 
people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible 
so difficult.  I don't get it.


I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.

W0MU

On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:

Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his 
expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I 
didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his 
presentations live and did hear that.

Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one 
point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs 
levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project 
unaffordable.

What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently 
had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process.

Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d ordered, 
perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…

Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and 
employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…

None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have been 
foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.

That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  
Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues 
as they come and moving forward.

73,
David - N5DCH




On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:

Presentation from the Expo.
Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
WA6HHQ 

Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
Expo date: March 13, 2021.

Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
segments.
-He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.

Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
-They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
-The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
-The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
done.
-Group B is even larger than Group A.
-Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
shipping.
-When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
- I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
- Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
list.

Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.

I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
73,
Kimo KH7U
(Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[David Herring]

Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his 
expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I 
didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his 
presentations live and did hear that. 

Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one 
point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs 
levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project 
unaffordable. 

What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently 
had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process. 

Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d ordered, 
perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…

Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and 
employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…

None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have been 
foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.

That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  
Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues 
as they come and moving forward.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
> 
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
> WA6HHQ 
> 
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
> 
> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
> segments.
> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
> 
> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
> done.
> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
> shipping.
> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> list.
> 
> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
> 
> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
> 73,
> Kimo KH7U
> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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[Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Kimo Chun]

Presentation from the Expo.
Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
WA6HHQ 

Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
Expo date: March 13, 2021.

Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
segments.
-He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.

Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
-They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
-The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
-The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
done.
-Group B is even larger than Group A.
-Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
shipping.
-When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
- I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
- Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
list.

Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.

I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
73,
Kimo KH7U
(Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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