Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

My Yamaha CM500 fell off the desk & broke.  I just purchased a pair of
Logitech G335 headphones/mic ($40) to replace the Yamahas.  The Logitech
plugged right in to the K3s & seems to be working fine.  I have done one
over the air test with a friend & he thought I sounded good.  I plan on
using them during sweepstakes, perhaps I will have more to say after that.

 

73,

Rob - AE7AP

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Ed Cole]

I also bought the Antlion Modmic.  Previously,  tried the CM500 and they 
caused my hearing aids to "howl" in feedback (not even connected to a 
radio).


The Modmic uses a tiny earth magnet that attaches to my revered old Sony 
stereo headset.  The mic boom clicks to the magnet securely.  I tested 
both normal and cardiod pattern settings with good reports with my K3.


Comes with two lengths extension wires, PTT module, and 1/4 to 3.5mm 
stereo adapter, all in a neat zipped carrying case (for when do not want 
a boom mic). Mic has wind-blast foam cover for operating outdoors.


I mainly bought it for using with my KX3 operating portable mw shots 
with small tripod-mounted dish on SSB.  Also, good for SSB Contesting or 
running a net when you want hands free for logging.


73, Ed - KL7UW



If I is was not clear - that i the beauty of the ModMic you can add it
to any headphones. And it does not damage the headphones and when you
remove the mic the attachment point is small and does not affect
the headphones in anyway.  So I can use my Bose on the airplanes and
then pop the mic on them when I get to the ham staiton.  And it easy
to take off when I am not on voice modes.

https://antlionaudio.com/products/modmic-uni


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Josh Fiden]

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LC2CM500--yamaha-cm500-closed-back-broadcast-headset-with-boom-mic

In stock. Can’t explain your link. 

73
Josh W6XU

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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 2:27 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> 
> Maybe it's just a supply issue that I was seeing. CM500 is a popular 
> inexpensive ham headset and even though I do not own one, I was hoping that 
> it was not discontinued.  Before my original post it looked like Sweetwater 
> also was out of stock:  
> https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CM500--yamaha-cm500-closed-back-broadcast-headset-with-boom-mic
> Sorry, the Yamaha CM500 Closed-back Broadcast Headset with Boom Mic is no 
> longer available. We've left this page up for reference only. Check out the 
> great alternatives on this page or call toll-free (800) 222-4700 to speak 
> with a Sweetwater Sales Engineer about similar products.
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Peter Lascell]

Today I ordered a spare CM500 from Sweetwater and have a tracking number as
it was also shipped today.
Pete W4WWQ

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 1:26 PM David Sumner 
wrote:

> I just bought a second CM500 from Sweetwater. Great customer service. They
> were out of stock but let me know as soon as new stock arrived.
>
> Dave K1ZZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:44 AM, k...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
> > sweetwater, etc.
> > Hank / KR7X
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On
> > Behalf Of j...@kk9a.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:57 PM
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?
> >
> > Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Rick NK7I wrote:
> >
> > They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
> > K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.
> >
> > The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
> > comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
> > for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
> > keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.
> >
> > If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
> > are expensive.
> >
> > A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
> > times before.
> >
> > 73,
> > Rick nk7i
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[George Fremin III]

On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 05:34:12PM -0400, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> I really like the Sony MDR 7506 for <$100 that I believe you use for music
> listening but it also has no mic.

ModMic.

Then you can have a mic on any headphones you like.


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[john]

I really like the Sony MDR 7506 for <$100 that I believe you use for music
listening but it also has no mic.

John KK9A


Jim Brown K9YC wrote:

> I'm always surprised at all the ham-specific headsets when there are
actual professional broadcast headsets from Audio-Technica and Sennheiser
with real vocal mics.

Yes, but -- they are overkill for use in a ham station, mics are likely 
to be pro electrets, and thus complicated to hook up to a ham rig. And, 
BTW, until you spend pretty big bucks, they're not all that comfortable 
either! The Beyer and Sennheiser sets I use for listening to acoustic 
jazz are north of $300, and they don't have a mic.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[john]

Maybe it's just a supply issue that I was seeing. CM500 is a popular 
inexpensive ham headset and even though I do not own one, I was hoping that it 
was not discontinued.  Before my original post it looked like Sweetwater also 
was out of stock:  
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CM500--yamaha-cm500-closed-back-broadcast-headset-with-boom-mic
Sorry, the Yamaha CM500 Closed-back Broadcast Headset with Boom Mic is no 
longer available. We've left this page up for reference only. Check out the 
great alternatives on this page or call toll-free (800) 222-4700 to speak with 
a Sweetwater Sales Engineer about similar products.

John KK9A

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Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

I just bought a second CM500 from Sweetwater. Great customer service. They were 
out of stock but let me know as soon as new stock arrived.

Dave K1ZZ

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:44 AM, k...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
> sweetwater, etc.
> Hank / KR7X
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of j...@kk9a.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:57 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?
> 
> Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Rick NK7I wrote:
> 
> They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
> K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.
> 
> The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
> comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
> for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
> keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.
> 
> If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
> are expensive.
> 
> A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
> times before.
> 
> 73,
> Rick nk7i
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Jim Brown]

On 11/2/2022 2:09 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I’m always surprised at all the ham-specific headsets when there are actual 
professional broadcast headsets from Audio-Technica and Sennheiser with real 
vocal mics.


Yes, but -- they are overkill for use in a ham station, mics are likely 
to be pro electrets, and thus complicated to hook up to a ham rig. And, 
BTW, until you spend pretty big bucks, they're not all that comfortable 
either! The Beyer and Sennheiser sets I use for listening to acoustic 
jazz are north of $300, and they don't have a mic.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Walter Underwood]

I would never recommend the CM500 for music. I tried that after my Grado 
headphones died and quickly switched to Apple earbuds. Then I ordered new, 
upgraded Grado headphones.

I’m always surprised at all the ham-specific headsets when there are actual 
professional broadcast headsets from Audio-Technica and Sennheiser with real 
vocal mics.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 2, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Dan Presley  wrote:
> 
> I guess it is personal..I purchased a pair of the Arlan phones earlier this 
> year and I would never use anything else. They were a total game changer for 
> me in terms of comfort and clarity.I am almost exclusively a CW guy.  This 
> was the first field day in years I didn’t end up throwing a headset across 
> the tent in frustration with fit and bad sound-particularly the Yamahas. Also 
> the sound isolation for me is second to none. As a professional studio 
> musician for 40 years I’ve suffered through a lot of bad phones….
> 
> Dan Presley 503-701-3871
> danpresley@me. com 
> n7...@arrl.net
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:47, Wes  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't forget the $100+ cable and $26 shipping.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>>> On 11/2/2022 11:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-02 12:34 PM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> 
 Nobody has yet suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications,
>>> 
>>> At $299 each (on sale) they are like the Heil headsets, grossly over
>>> priced for what you get - 5 X the price for the CM500 or SB45. The
>>> RadioSport sets are much heavier/harder on the head and neck.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Dan Presley]

I guess it is personal..I purchased a pair of the Arlan phones earlier this 
year and I would never use anything else. They were a total game changer for me 
in terms of comfort and clarity.I am almost exclusively a CW guy.  This was the 
first field day in years I didn’t end up throwing a headset across the tent in 
frustration with fit and bad sound-particularly the Yamahas. Also the sound 
isolation for me is second to none. As a professional studio musician for 40 
years I’ve suffered through a lot of bad phones….

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com 
n7...@arrl.net


> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:47, Wes  wrote:
> 
> Don't forget the $100+ cable and $26 shipping.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
>> On 11/2/2022 11:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> On 2022-11-02 12:34 PM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:
>> 
>> > Nobody has yet suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications,
>> 
>> At $299 each (on sale) they are like the Heil headsets, grossly over
>> priced for what you get - 5 X the price for the CM500 or SB45. The
>> RadioSport sets are much heavier/harder on the head and neck.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Ed Hopton via Elecraft]

Still $60 at Sweetwater:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LC2CM500--yamaha-cm500-closed-back-b
roadcast-headset-with-boom-mic
73,
Ed N3CMI


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I got a few direct emails saying the same thing. I know that you can still
purchase the CM500, it just seems to be a lot rarer than it once was.  A lot
of places like B&H show the Yamaha CM500 out of stock or no longer
available.  Even Yamaha USA shows the item out of stock.  One Amazon seller
lists it for $109.95 + $19.95 shipping and they have a poor delivery rating.
Another Amazon seller has only 1 product review and it is not available with
Prime. 

John KK9A

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Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 10:44 AM
To: j...@kk9a.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
sweetwater, etc.
Hank / KR7X

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?

John KK9A


Rick NK7I wrote:

They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.

The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.

If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
are expensive.

A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
times before.

73,
Rick nk7i

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Wes]

Don't forget the $100+ cable and $26 shipping.

Wes  N7WS

On 11/2/2022 11:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 2022-11-02 12:34 PM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:

> Nobody has yet suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications,

At $299 each (on sale) they are like the Heil headsets, grossly over
priced for what you get - 5 X the price for the CM500 or SB45. The
RadioSport sets are much heavier/harder on the head and neck.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2022-11-02 12:34 PM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:

> Nobody has yet suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications,

At $299 each (on sale) they are like the Heil headsets, grossly over
priced for what you get - 5 X the price for the CM500 or SB45.  The
RadioSport sets are much heavier/harder on the head and neck.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2022-11-02 12:34 PM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:

I’ve read a lot of comments about Heil and the Yamaha boomset. Nobody has yet 
suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications, 
http://www.arlancommunications.com/products/amateurradio/radiosport/rs60cf.asp).
 I have several pairs. Although definitely on the high end of the market, they 
are superbly built and extremely comfortable, with both dynamic and electret 
condenser mic options. Some complain they’re too heavy, but I find them to be 
great for me.

73, Lou

Lou Laderman W0FK
Sent from my mobile device

On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Bernie and Cheryl  wrote:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes there's no 
one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about expanding my SSB 
presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be interested if anyone has a 
specific recommendation for a good microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the 
Heil microphones (either the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to 
look at anything else someone may recommend.

Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Jim Brown]

A well-meaning member of our contest club arranged for the salesman for 
Radiosport to speak to a meeting. I tried on a set, and found it to be 
an instrument of torture. Several years later, after seeing guys raving 
about its comfort and figuring they must have changed something, I again 
tried a set at a hamfest. Nothing had changed, it was still an 
instrument of torture.  BTW -- they're also crazy expensive.


Because everyone's head and ears are different, headsets are a very 
personal thing -- what fits someone else may not fit you. I find CM500s 
and Sony MDR7506s very comfortable. For years, I wore a Sony set while I 
slept, listening to jazz overnight. I've since graduated to top line 
Beyer DT880 Pro, even more comfy and sounds better on music, but a LOT 
more expensive. Wouldn't think of recommending to hams.


73, Jim K9YC

On 11/2/2022 9:34 AM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:

I’ve read a lot of comments about Heil and the Yamaha boomset. Nobody has yet 
suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan 
Communications,http://www.arlancommunications.com/products/amateurradio/radiosport/rs60cf.asp).
 I have several pairs. Although definitely on the high end of the market, they 
are superbly built and extremely comfortable, with both dynamic and electret 
condenser mic options. Some complain they’re too heavy, but I find them to be 
great for me.


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Richard Thorne]

I would recommend this, headset wise. 
http://www.vibroplex.com/contents/en-us/d9181.html


Much better construction than the CM-500 and the Heil Pro Set in my 
opinion.  It does not clamp your head like a RadioSport.


I've tried them all and the W1 is my recommendation.

Rich - N5ZC

On 11/2/2022 12:23 PM, Wes wrote:
My birthday was last week and my lady asked me whether there was any ham 
gear I would like.  Since it would be a little pain using the new CM500 
I bought earlier, with my Kenwood radios, I looked at the RadioSport.


I'm afraid they are simply too expensive, even if someone else is 
paying.  Over 100 bucks for a cable... I don't think so.  I'll adapt the 
CM500.


Wes  N7WS


On 11/2/2022 9:34 AM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:
I’ve read a lot of comments about Heil and the Yamaha boomset. Nobody 
has yet suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications, 
http://www.arlancommunications.com/products/amateurradio/radiosport/rs60cf.asp). I have several pairs. Although definitely on the high end of the market, they are superbly built and extremely comfortable, with both dynamic and electret condenser mic options. Some complain they’re too heavy, but I find them to be great for me.


73, Lou

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Ian Maude via Elecraft]

Thankyou

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Nov 2022, at 17:03, Walter Underwood  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the CM500 works just fine on the KX3. I recommend getting an off the 
> shelf stereo splitter cable to get cleaner mic bias and to split out PTT. 
> Details here.
> 
> https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 9:50 AM, Ian Maude via Elecraft 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2 Nov 2022, at 16:19, Ian Maude  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Out of interest, can the CM-500 be used on the KX3?
>>> 
>>> 73 Ian
>>> 
>>>> On 2 Nov 2022, at 16:15, Bob McGraw  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Likewise, I'm a retired pro audio engineer, studio and live music.  The 
>>>> CM500 is a very good headset and plugs directly into the rear of the K3S.  
>>>> Turn on the bias.   They are available from Sweetwater Sound (no 
>>>> connection to me) for about $60.  I also use the Koss SB40 ($29 on Amazon) 
>>>> which has a dynamic mike.  One has to be careful with the mike-to-mouth 
>>>> placement as it is a dynamic mike (no bias required) and thus is prone to 
>>>> proximity effects or boosted low end.  Taking a different approach I use a 
>>>> Shure SM-58 ($100) on a boom.  I did make my own XLR-3 to Foster 8 pin 
>>>> cable. Very easy to do and connects to the front panel MIC connector.  No 
>>>> bias required.  I also have used a Behringer XM8500 ($29) with very 
>>>> similar results as the SM-58.  The SM-58, or its like in wireless form,  
>>>> is a very popular stage vocal mike.
>>>> 
>>>> One factor I've observed and stressed is "proper microphone technique".  
>>>> That is proper placement of the microphone with regard to the mouth.  I 
>>>> find many hams have been taught incorrectly in this regard or perhaps do 
>>>> not understand the relationship that exists.  One needs to experiment with 
>>>> a specific mike and their voice in order to attain desired results.   Many 
>>>> dynamic microphones will have proximity effect which will make them bottom 
>>>> heavy or bassy.  Simply back the mike away from the mouth to correct the 
>>>> concern.  Many microphones have extended high end response.  This produces 
>>>> lots of lip and mouth and breath/nasal sounds.  Again, correct placement 
>>>> above the mouth, or to the side or below the mouth usually corrects the 
>>>> concern. And of course, proper adjustment of microphone gain and any 
>>>> compression is mandatory with each mike.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim, K9YC recommendations for TX EQ is an excellent starting point.  In my 
>>>> case, I've tweaked the numbers a wee bit to suit my voice and my 
>>>> microphone choice.
>>>> 
>>>> Listen to your signal by recording it and then playing it back from the 
>>>> various SDR remote receivers around the country.That way you know how 
>>>> your station sounds.
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> 
>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/2/2022 9:44 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>>> Message: 18
>>>>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 17:48:31 -0700
>>>>> From: Jim Brown
>>>>> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> I strongly agree with Rick's advice. I'm retired from pro audio, did
>>>>> lots of live recording, still have some great pro mics, but I've been
>>>>> using the CM500 since around 2009. I can't think of a better choice. I
>>>>> find the headphones comfy enough for a long weekend contest, and they
>>>>> sound great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Fred Jensen]

Practically any electret mic element today is going to be good or even 
great.  Having come from the era of "cans", with the wire headband, 
cloth covered cord, and thin metal diaphram, that you wore forward of 
your ears to prevent hearing damage, I've come to the conclusion that 
the only headphone thing that really matters today is comfort in long 
sessions.  My Yamaha CM-500 pretty much fits that requirement.  Fully 
over my ears and very effective at blocking external noises.  It would 
be perfect if I didn't have to wear glasses to see the radio and 
computer screen.


During the WW SSB, casual monitoring with my K3/P3 showed many [actually 
most] of the signals with most of the energy right up next to the 
suppressed carrier [low audio freqs] where it contributes almost nothing 
to communications clarity, but does contain most of the power.  The 
energy falls off rapidly higher in the audio spectrum.


Jim, K9YC, has published an article in the NCJ which you can also find 
at http://k9yc.com/ContestAudio.pdf   I don't operate phone very much, 
but following his TXEQ recommendations, my TX spectrum is full in the 
screen shots others have sent me and I get unsolicited "great audio" 
comments on SSB.  The TXEQ profile has a much larger effect on transmit 
audio quality than the microphone choice.  Those signals in the contest 
that had a full energy spectrum were a LOT easier to understand.


Another K9YC tip for those of us who remember "peak the grid, dip the 
plate" and are therefore becoming somewhat long in the tooth -- The 
Elecraft RXEQ has a range of +/-16 dB in each of the segments.  16 dB of 
high frequency boost is not really enough for me.  But, if I think of 
the range as 0-32 dB, I get enough high boost to make SSB 
understandable.  I have to run the AF Gain higher, but it has plenty of 
range.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote on 11/2/2022 9:34 AM:

I’ve read a lot of comments about Heil and the Yamaha boomset. Nobody has yet 
suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications, 
http://www.arlancommunications.com/products/amateurradio/radiosport/rs60cf.asp).
 I have several pairs. Although definitely on the high end of the market, they 
are superbly built and extremely comfortable, with both dynamic and electret 
condenser mic options. Some complain they’re too heavy, but I find them to be 
great for me.

73, Lou

Lou Laderman W0FK
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On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Bernie and Cheryl  wrote:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes there's no 
one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about expanding my SSB 
presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be interested if anyone has a 
specific recommendation for a good microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the 
Heil microphones (either the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to 
look at anything else someone may recommend.

Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS





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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[David Sumner]

I just bought a second CM500 from Sweetwater. Great customer service. They were 
out of stock but let me know as soon as new stock arrived.

Dave K1ZZ

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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:44 AM, k...@comcast.net wrote:
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> Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
> sweetwater, etc.
> Hank / KR7X
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of j...@kk9a.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:57 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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> 
> Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Rick NK7I wrote:
> 
> They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
> K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.
> 
> The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
> comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
> for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
> keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.
> 
> If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
> are expensive.
> 
> A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
> times before.
> 
> 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Wes]

My birthday was last week and my lady asked me whether there was any ham gear I 
would like.  Since it would be a little pain using the new CM500 I bought 
earlier, with my Kenwood radios, I looked at the RadioSport.


I'm afraid they are simply too expensive, even if someone else is paying.  Over 
100 bucks for a cable... I don't think so.  I'll adapt the CM500.


Wes  N7WS


On 11/2/2022 9:34 AM, Lou Laderman via Elecraft wrote:

I’ve read a lot of comments about Heil and the Yamaha boomset. Nobody has yet 
suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications, 
http://www.arlancommunications.com/products/amateurradio/radiosport/rs60cf.asp).
 I have several pairs. Although definitely on the high end of the market, they 
are superbly built and extremely comfortable, with both dynamic and electret 
condenser mic options. Some complain they’re too heavy, but I find them to be 
great for me.

73, Lou

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Walter Underwood]

That is odd, because the Koss SB40 appears to be a Yamaha CM500 with a dynamic 
mic. My first CM500 even said “KOSS” on the microphone connector. They should 
fit exactly the same.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Wes  wrote:
> 
> On 11/2/2022 8:53 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> I tried the Koss SB45 and hated it. It sat on top of my ears instead of 
>> around them, unlike the CM500. Very uncomfortable. I returned them and got a 
>> new CM500 headset.
> I said the same about the SB40.
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Wes]

On 11/2/2022 8:53 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I tried the Koss SB45 and hated it. It sat on top of my ears instead of around 
them, unlike the CM500. Very uncomfortable. I returned them and got a new CM500 
headset.

I said the same about the SB40.
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Walter Underwood]

Yes, the CM500 works just fine on the KX3. I recommend getting an off the shelf 
stereo splitter cable to get cleaner mic bias and to split out PTT. Details 
here.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/

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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 9:50 AM, Ian Maude via Elecraft  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Nov 2022, at 16:19, Ian Maude  wrote:
>> 
>> Out of interest, can the CM-500 be used on the KX3?
>> 
>> 73 Ian
>> 
>>> On 2 Nov 2022, at 16:15, Bob McGraw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Likewise, I'm a retired pro audio engineer, studio and live music.  The 
>>> CM500 is a very good headset and plugs directly into the rear of the K3S.  
>>> Turn on the bias.   They are available from Sweetwater Sound (no connection 
>>> to me) for about $60.  I also use the Koss SB40 ($29 on Amazon) which has a 
>>> dynamic mike.  One has to be careful with the mike-to-mouth placement as it 
>>> is a dynamic mike (no bias required) and thus is prone to proximity effects 
>>> or boosted low end.  Taking a different approach I use a Shure SM-58 ($100) 
>>> on a boom.  I did make my own XLR-3 to Foster 8 pin cable. Very easy to do 
>>> and connects to the front panel MIC connector.  No bias required.  I also 
>>> have used a Behringer XM8500 ($29) with very similar results as the SM-58.  
>>> The SM-58, or its like in wireless form,  is a very popular stage vocal 
>>> mike.
>>> 
>>> One factor I've observed and stressed is "proper microphone technique".  
>>> That is proper placement of the microphone with regard to the mouth.  I 
>>> find many hams have been taught incorrectly in this regard or perhaps do 
>>> not understand the relationship that exists.  One needs to experiment with 
>>> a specific mike and their voice in order to attain desired results.   Many 
>>> dynamic microphones will have proximity effect which will make them bottom 
>>> heavy or bassy.  Simply back the mike away from the mouth to correct the 
>>> concern.  Many microphones have extended high end response.  This produces 
>>> lots of lip and mouth and breath/nasal sounds.  Again, correct placement 
>>> above the mouth, or to the side or below the mouth usually corrects the 
>>> concern. And of course, proper adjustment of microphone gain and any 
>>> compression is mandatory with each mike.
>>> 
>>> Jim, K9YC recommendations for TX EQ is an excellent starting point.  In my 
>>> case, I've tweaked the numbers a wee bit to suit my voice and my microphone 
>>> choice.
>>> 
>>> Listen to your signal by recording it and then playing it back from the 
>>> various SDR remote receivers around the country.That way you know how 
>>> your station sounds.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/2022 9:44 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>> Message: 18
>>>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 17:48:31 -0700
>>>> From: Jim Brown
>>>> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> I strongly agree with Rick's advice. I'm retired from pro audio, did
>>>> lots of live recording, still have some great pro mics, but I've been
>>>> using the CM500 since around 2009. I can't think of a better choice. I
>>>> find the headphones comfy enough for a long weekend contest, and they
>>>> sound great!
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

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> On 2 Nov 2022, at 16:19, Ian Maude  wrote:
> 
> Out of interest, can the CM-500 be used on the KX3?
> 
> 73 Ian
> 
>> On 2 Nov 2022, at 16:15, Bob McGraw  wrote:
>> 
>> Likewise, I'm a retired pro audio engineer, studio and live music.  The 
>> CM500 is a very good headset and plugs directly into the rear of the K3S.  
>> Turn on the bias.   They are available from Sweetwater Sound (no connection 
>> to me) for about $60.  I also use the Koss SB40 ($29 on Amazon) which has a 
>> dynamic mike.  One has to be careful with the mike-to-mouth placement as it 
>> is a dynamic mike (no bias required) and thus is prone to proximity effects 
>> or boosted low end.  Taking a different approach I use a Shure SM-58 ($100) 
>> on a boom.  I did make my own XLR-3 to Foster 8 pin cable. Very easy to do 
>> and connects to the front panel MIC connector.  No bias required.  I also 
>> have used a Behringer XM8500 ($29) with very similar results as the SM-58.  
>> The SM-58, or its like in wireless form,  is a very popular stage vocal mike.
>> 
>> One factor I've observed and stressed is "proper microphone technique".  
>> That is proper placement of the microphone with regard to the mouth.  I find 
>> many hams have been taught incorrectly in this regard or perhaps do not 
>> understand the relationship that exists.  One needs to experiment with a 
>> specific mike and their voice in order to attain desired results.   Many 
>> dynamic microphones will have proximity effect which will make them bottom 
>> heavy or bassy.  Simply back the mike away from the mouth to correct the 
>> concern.  Many microphones have extended high end response.  This produces 
>> lots of lip and mouth and breath/nasal sounds.  Again, correct placement 
>> above the mouth, or to the side or below the mouth usually corrects the 
>> concern. And of course, proper adjustment of microphone gain and any 
>> compression is mandatory with each mike.
>> 
>> Jim, K9YC recommendations for TX EQ is an excellent starting point.  In my 
>> case, I've tweaked the numbers a wee bit to suit my voice and my microphone 
>> choice.
>> 
>> Listen to your signal by recording it and then playing it back from the 
>> various SDR remote receivers around the country.That way you know how 
>> your station sounds.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/2/2022 9:44 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 17:48:31 -0700
>>> From: Jim Brown
>>> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> I strongly agree with Rick's advice. I'm retired from pro audio, did
>>> lots of live recording, still have some great pro mics, but I've been
>>> using the CM500 since around 2009. I can't think of a better choice. I
>>> find the headphones comfy enough for a long weekend contest, and they
>>> sound great!
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Lou Laderman via Elecraft]

I’ve read a lot of comments about Heil and the Yamaha boomset. Nobody has yet 
suggested RadioSport boomsets (Arlan Communications, 
http://www.arlancommunications.com/products/amateurradio/radiosport/rs60cf.asp).
 I have several pairs. Although definitely on the high end of the market, they 
are superbly built and extremely comfortable, with both dynamic and electret 
condenser mic options. Some complain they’re too heavy, but I find them to be 
great for me.

73, Lou 

Lou Laderman W0FK
Sent from my mobile device 

On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Bernie and Cheryl  wrote:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes there's no 
one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about expanding my SSB 
presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be interested if anyone has a 
specific recommendation for a good microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the 
Heil microphones (either the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to 
look at anything else someone may recommend.

Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS

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[Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Bob McGraw]

Likewise, I'm a retired pro audio engineer, studio and live music.  The 
CM500 is a very good headset and plugs directly into the rear of the 
K3S.  Turn on the bias.   They are available from Sweetwater Sound (no 
connection to me) for about $60.  I also use the Koss SB40 ($29 on 
Amazon) which has a dynamic mike.  One has to be careful with the 
mike-to-mouth placement as it is a dynamic mike (no bias required) and 
thus is prone to proximity effects or boosted low end.  Taking a 
different approach I use a Shure SM-58 ($100) on a boom.  I did make my 
own XLR-3 to Foster 8 pin cable. Very easy to do and connects to the 
front panel MIC connector.  No bias required.  I also have used a 
Behringer XM8500 ($29) with very similar results as the SM-58.  The 
SM-58, or its like in wireless form,  is a very popular stage vocal mike.


One factor I've observed and stressed is "proper microphone technique".  
That is proper placement of the microphone with regard to the mouth.  I 
find many hams have been taught incorrectly in this regard or perhaps do 
not understand the relationship that exists.  One needs to experiment 
with a specific mike and their voice in order to attain desired 
results.   Many dynamic microphones will have proximity effect which 
will make them bottom heavy or bassy.  Simply back the mike away from 
the mouth to correct the concern.  Many microphones have extended high 
end response.  This produces lots of lip and mouth and breath/nasal 
sounds.  Again, correct placement above the mouth, or to the side or 
below the mouth usually corrects the concern. And of course, proper 
adjustment of microphone gain and any compression is mandatory with each 
mike.


Jim, K9YC recommendations for TX EQ is an excellent starting point.  In 
my case, I've tweaked the numbers a wee bit to suit my voice and my 
microphone choice.


Listen to your signal by recording it and then playing it back from the 
various SDR remote receivers around the country.    That way you know 
how your station sounds.


73

Bob, K4TAX


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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 17:48:31 -0700
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I strongly agree with Rick's advice. I'm retired from pro audio, did
lots of live recording, still have some great pro mics, but I've been
using the CM500 since around 2009. I can't think of a better choice. I
find the headphones comfy enough for a long weekend contest, and they
sound great!

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Walter Underwood]

I tried the Koss SB45 and hated it. It sat on top of my ears instead of around 
them, unlike the CM500. Very uncomfortable. I returned them and got a new CM500 
headset. Here is a blog post comparing the two.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2021/01/27/koss-sb-45-vs-yamaha-cm500/ 
<https://observer.wunderwood.org/2021/01/27/koss-sb-45-vs-yamaha-cm500/>

On the cheap side, because we are hams, the Koss CS100 looks like it should 
work fine for $15 (dual plug model).

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-CS100-Recognition-Computer-Headset/dp/B00C121ZOK?th=1
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Koss-CS100-Recognition-Computer-Headset/dp/B00C121ZOK?th=1>

Amazon says “dynamic element”, but Koss says it is an electret mic.

https://koss.com/products/cs100 <https://koss.com/products/cs100>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
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> On Nov 2, 2022, at 7:46 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR  <mailto:pete.n...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> The Koss SB45 has been tested by several CM500 users, alarmed by the 
> potential loss of supply.  Works FB!
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> On 11/2/2022 10:43 AM, k...@comcast.net <mailto:k...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
>> sweetwater, etc.
>> Hank / KR7X
>> 
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>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?
>> 
>> Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?
>> 
>> John KK9A
>> 
>> 
>> Rick NK7I wrote:
>> 
>> They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
>> K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.
>> 
>> The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
>> comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
>> for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
>> keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.
>> 
>> If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
>> are expensive.
>> 
>> A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
>> times before.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rick nk7i
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[john]

I got a few direct emails saying the same thing. I know that you can still
purchase the CM500, it just seems to be a lot rarer than it once was.  A lot
of places like B&H show the Yamaha CM500 out of stock or no longer
available.  Even Yamaha USA shows the item out of stock.  One Amazon seller
lists it for $109.95 + $19.95 shipping and they have a poor delivery rating.
Another Amazon seller has only 1 product review and it is not available with
Prime. 

John KK9A

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To: j...@kk9a.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
sweetwater, etc.
Hank / KR7X

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Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?

John KK9A


Rick NK7I wrote:

They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.

The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.

If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
are expensive.

A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
times before.

73,
Rick nk7i

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[George Fremin III]

On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 09:35:05AM -0600, Bernie and Cheryl wrote:

> I appreciate all of the recommendations.  One of the reasons why I
> was considering the Heil mikes is that I already have a pair of nice
> headphones on the K3s that are comfortable to wear for hours, though
> they don't have a boom mike.

If I is was not clear - that i the beauty of the ModMic you can add it 
to any headphones. And it does not damage the headphones and when you 
remove the mic the attachment point is small and does not affect 
the headphones in anyway.  So I can use my Bose on the airplanes and 
then pop the mic on them when I get to the ham staiton.  And it easy 
to take off when I am not on voice modes. 

https://antlionaudio.com/products/modmic-uni


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Bernie and Cheryl]

Dear Folks:

I appreciate all of the recommendations.  One of the reasons why I was 
considering the Heil mikes is that I already have a pair of nice 
headphones on the K3s that are comfortable to wear for hours, though 
they don't have a boom mike.  I've got a Heil boom mike (Pro-7) set for 
my VHF/UHF radio, and though it works well, it's too heavy for long-term 
use (the satellite QSO's I make with it are all short-lived by nature).  
Thus, I was looking for something that I could use with the current 
headphones that I use for my CW work.


The recommendation that kept coming back multiple times was the Yamaha 
CM 500, and what caught my eye is that everyone said that the headphones 
are comfortable for hours on end (it's not unusual for me to have a plus 
60 minute CW ragchew).


NK7I's link led me to the Amazon link for the CM 500, and with a coupon, 
I was able to order it for just under $54.  At that price, it's hard to 
not give it a try.  And I will look up K9YC's recommendations for TX EQ 
settings.


Thanks to all for your help.  I hope to see you on the bands regardless 
of the mode (CW rules!).


73 de Bernie, KF0QS

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

The Koss SB45 has been tested by several CM500 users, alarmed by the 
potential loss of supply.  Works FB!


73, Pete N4ZR
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On 11/2/2022 10:43 AM, k...@comcast.net wrote:

Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
sweetwater, etc.
Hank / KR7X

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Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?

John KK9A


Rick NK7I wrote:

They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.

The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.

If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
are expensive.

A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
times before.

73,
Rick nk7i

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[kr7x]

Not sure about the manufacturing aspect but still available from amazon,
sweetwater, etc.
Hank / KR7X

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?

John KK9A


Rick NK7I wrote:

They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in the
K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.

The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a few
for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my shack.  I
keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.

If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, most
are expensive.

A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered many
times before.

73,
Rick nk7i

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Rick NK7I]

Yes. $60

Yamaha CM500 Closed-back Broadcast Headset with Boom Mic https://a.co/d/7c5F962

73,
Rick NK7I


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> Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?
> 
> John KK9A
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[john]

Is the Yamaha CM500 still being manufactured?

John KK9A


Rick NK7I wrote:

They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in 
the K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.

The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are 
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a 
few for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my 
shack.  I keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.

If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, 
most are expensive.

A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered 
many times before.

73,
Rick nk7i

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[George Fremin III]

There is nothing wrong with Heil micophones. I used them for many years.  What 
I did not like were the headphones so I would mount the HC-4 and HC-5 booms off 
of the broken headphones onto headphones that  I liked to wear and listen to.  
Over the years I tried many different ones.  AKG-K240, Sony MDR-700 etc.

A number years ago I started using Bose QC-25 headphones because they have very 
good noise cancelling and I have a window unit and amps with fans in them etc.  
So I have just the kind of noise they do a very good job getting rid of - and I 
would use them in CW contests.  But I did not have a good way to mount a mic to 
them. K3LR glues a mount onto his Bose headphones.  

But I kept looking for a mic - and after some searching I found the perfect 
microphone for my use. 

It is called a ModMic sold by Antlion Audio - and it has a small, strong magnet 
that you stick onto the phones.  And then the boom mic attaches to that magnet. 
 And it works great.  After doing a lot of tweaking and listening to recordings 
made on another receiver I settled on some TX EQ settings on the K3 that I 
think work very well and sound very good on the air. 

The model is this one:

https://antlionaudio.com/products/modmic-uni-usb-sound-card 


It comes with a usb sound card but you do not need to use that - it has a 3.5 
mm plug on it that will connect to the rear mic input on the K3 and the K3 will 
power the mic correctly when you turn on the bias voltage in the menu.  

The TX EQ settings that I have settled on with this microphone are these:

150 hz+3
2   100 hz   +3
3   300 hz 0
4   400 hz 0
5   800 hz   +5
6   1600 hz  +6
7   2400 hz  +4
8   3200 hz  +7

I tried settings that rolled off the low end in a few contests but for me this 
is not work well - this gives me a fuller sound that I am much happier with and 
I often get good audio reports from folks. 

YMMV

George - K5TR

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 6:59 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> I've never understood the appeal of the Heil microphones.  I've seen lots of 
> reports that they can be mechanical fragile, and literally ANY electret 
> microphone can be set up to work very well with a K3 or K3s. 

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[David Gilbert]

I've never understood the appeal of the Heil microphones.  I've seen 
lots of reports that they can be mechanical fragile, and literally ANY 
electret microphone can be set up to work very well with a K3 or K3s.  I 
used cheap computer headsets for years and always got great audio 
reports, and only switched to a Yamaha C500 because I liked the 
over-the-ear headphones better.  You can get great audio reports with a 
Heil as well, but in my opinion you're paying for the name, not better 
quality.


73,
Dave   AB7E



On 11/1/2022 2:12 PM, Bernie and Cheryl wrote:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes 
there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about 
expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be 
interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good 
microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either 
the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything 
else someone may recommend.


Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Jim Brown]

I strongly agree with Rick's advice. I'm retired from pro audio, did 
lots of live recording, still have some great pro mics, but I've been 
using the CM500 since around 2009. I can't think of a better choice. I 
find the headphones comfy enough for a long weekend contest, and they 
sound great!


73, Jim K9YC

On 11/1/2022 2:49 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
Heil are overpriced and the headsets, give headaches too (too tight). 
They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in 
the K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.


The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are 
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a 
few for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my 
shack.  I keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.


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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[K9ZTV]

Be aware, however, that ...

"In November 2020 the owners announced their retirement and the company will 
wind-down sometime in 2023."

73,
Kent
K9ZTV

> 
> Take a look at Universal Radio for decent prices.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Almost any quality microphone will work with the K3s ...

For a basic dynamic mic take a look at:

 



For an electret, even an inexpensive "computer mic" like this
will do a credible job:

 



With the dynamic mic you will need to build an XLR to 3.5mm or
XLR to Foster cable.  The electret will plug directly into the
rear panel mic jack.

There is no need to spend 5 to 50 times as much for something
marketed to hams .

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2022-11-01 5:12 PM, Bernie and Cheryl wrote:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes 
there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about 
expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be 
interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good 
microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either the 
Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything else 
someone may recommend.


Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS



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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[John Stengrevics]

I have a Heil PR40 which has always received great reports with my K3S.  To the 
extent that I am not hankering for CESSB on the K4.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 6:08 PM, Brian Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Like you I’m 99% CW OP but for years I’ve used inexpensive (~$20) computer 
> headsets with my K3.  Light weight and don’t clamp your head. Comfortable to 
> wear for hours. They’re a bit hard to find these days because most are 
> Bluetooth. The K3 TXEQ can make it sound good. 
> 
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 14:13, Bernie and Cheryl  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Folks:
>> 
>> Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes there's 
>> no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about expanding my SSB 
>> presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be interested if anyone has a 
>> specific recommendation for a good microphone?  I'm thinking about one of 
>> the Heil microphones (either the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am 
>> willing to look at anything else someone may recommend.
>> 
>> Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Christian Friess]

Hi Folks,

As a CW op I would not care about a microphone or a headset.
But as a lucky OM with an active YL I use an inexpensive gaming headset
The N7 from NUBWO. It is connected to the rear of my K3S and the
comments about the modulation quality of the YL as well as of the OM
is good, perfect etc.

Thanks Elecraft for a wonderful radio. BTW I have never ever used such
things called equalizer.

73 & CW for ever
Chris, DL2MDU

Am 01.11.2022 um 22:12 schrieb Bernie and Cheryl:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes 
there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about 
expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be 
interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good 
microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either 
the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything 
else someone may recommend.


Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Brian Hunt]

Like you I’m 99% CW OP but for years I’ve used inexpensive (~$20) computer 
headsets with my K3.  Light weight and don’t clamp your head. Comfortable to 
wear for hours. They’re a bit hard to find these days because most are 
Bluetooth. The K3 TXEQ can make it sound good. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 14:13, Bernie and Cheryl  wrote:
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes there's 
> no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about expanding my SSB 
> presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be interested if anyone has a 
> specific recommendation for a good microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the 
> Heil microphones (either the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to 
> look at anything else someone may recommend.
> 
> Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Mike Dodd]

On 11/1/2022 5:12 PM, Bernie and Cheryl wrote:
I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either the
Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything else 
someone may recommend.


My Heil GM5 worked FB on my K3s and also on my new K4D. I also have a 
Yamaha CM500 headset with electret mic that is permanently plugged into 
the read phones and mic jacks for quick switchover for contests. It too 
works FB.


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73, Mike N4CF
Louisa County, VA USA
Elecraft K4D / KPA500 / KAT500
Carolina Windom up 45'
http://n4cf.mdodd.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Don Wilhelm]

Bernie,

I think Heil microphones are overpriced, but if you like the looks of 
them, the perhaps that is an over-riding factor.


You can plug any mic with a Kenwood 8 pin connector into the front mic 
jack.  There are many Kenwood compatible mics on the market - but stay 
away from the amplified types (or turn the preamp off if it has one).  
Most are dynamic mics, so turn bias off.


Take a look at Universal Radio for decent prices.

If you would like a headset mic, I have 2 of the Yamaha CM500s that I 
like - you can plug those directly into the rear jacks for headphones 
and mic.  Whatever the sales literature says, it has an electret mic, so 
it needs bias turned on (unless you use the little battery box that 
comes with it.
Look at audio stores to source this headset - Sweetwater Sounds, B&H 
Photo are 2 reputable places that I know of.


Actually most any computer type microphone will work fine, and they are 
quite inexpensive.  They are all electret type and need bias turned on.


Finally, you can tailor the sound of any mic using the TX EQ built into 
the K3 - no need for a specially shaped microphone response. See Jim 
Brown K9YC's recommendations (repeated many times on this reflector) for 
your initial settings.
Those settings are for communications clarity and not for "broadcast 
quality".  If you want "broadcast quality", you should be buying a 
broadcast station IMHO, not ham radio communications.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/1/2022 5:12 PM, Bernie and Cheryl wrote:

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes 
there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about 
expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be 
interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good 
microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either 
the Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything 
else someone may recommend.




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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Rick NK7I]

Heil are overpriced and the headsets, give headaches too (too tight).  
They're nothing special; you can dial in equalization just as well in 
the K3S.  I bought the Heil with my K3 and quickly gave up on them.


The Yamaha CM500 plugs into the rear (with bias) and the headphones are 
comfy for hours, without spending a lot (by comparison, you can get a 
few for the cost of one Heil).  They block most of the noise in my 
shack.  I keep a couple spares as the foam covers do wear out.


If you need to block of lot of shack noise, there are other options, 
most are expensive.


A search of the archives is recommended, this topic has been covered 
many times before.


73,
Rick nk7i

On 11/1/2022 2:39 PM, Clark Macaulay wrote:

Hi, Bernie.

Like you, I am a CW op that dabbles in FT8.  About a year ago I decided to
dabble in SSB just to hear an operator's voice in QSO parties and the like.
For my K3, I use the Heil ProSET K2 sold by Elecraft and am very pleased
with it.  I chose a headset/mic only because I don't have the space for a
desktop or
boom mic.  The connections are to the rear panel of the K3 making for a
very clean setup.  After setting the equalization levels others have
recommended, I'm told
my audio is very good.



On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 5:13 PM Bernie and Cheryl 
wrote:


Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes
there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about
expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be
interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good
microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either the
Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything else
someone may recommend.

Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS

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Re: [Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Clark Macaulay]

Hi, Bernie.

Like you, I am a CW op that dabbles in FT8.  About a year ago I decided to
dabble in SSB just to hear an operator's voice in QSO parties and the like.
For my K3, I use the Heil ProSET K2 sold by Elecraft and am very pleased
with it.  I chose a headset/mic only because I don't have the space for a
desktop or
boom mic.  The connections are to the rear panel of the K3 making for a
very clean setup.  After setting the equalization levels others have
recommended, I'm told
my audio is very good.



On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 5:13 PM Bernie and Cheryl 
wrote:

> Dear Folks:
>
> Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes
> there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about
> expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be
> interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good
> microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either the
> Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything else
> someone may recommend.
>
> Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>
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[Elecraft] Recommendation for Microphone for K3s?

[Bernie and Cheryl]

Dear Folks:

Although I'm primarily a CW op, and dabble in FT8 (sadly, sometimes 
there's no one on anywhere else except for FT8), I'm thinking about 
expanding my SSB presence on the bands.  I have a K3s and would be 
interested if anyone has a specific recommendation for a good 
microphone?  I'm thinking about one of the Heil microphones (either the 
Heil Gold or the Heil HM-10XD) but am willing to look at anything else 
someone may recommend.


Thanks and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS

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