[Elecraft] Remote Operation with K4

[David Gilbert]

Has anyone with a new K4 had the opportunity to do any serious CW long 
distance remote operating with it, and if so, how effective was it?  By 
serious, I mean in a contest or in a DX pileup where reaction time is 
important.  And by long distance, I mean over the internet, not just via 
your own LAN.


Thanks es 73,
Dave   AB7E

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Re: [Elecraft] REMOTE OPERATION

[Wayne Burdick]

We will be testing various mechanisms for attaching a keyer paddle to a remote 
client. Stay tuned

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jan 23, 2021, at 9:17 AM, K5WA  wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> 
> 
> I attended the "Demo" meeting last night and was told that Elecraft will
> release remoting software so you don't have to have a K4/0, HOWEVER, the
> further nuance to your question is probably "Can I use a paddle to send CW?"
> That was not directly discussed but I'll bet the answer is no.  I'm sure you
> could use a keyboard to send CW but I'm not sure that capability will be
> built into Elecraft's remoting software.  For my own interim remote setup
> (I'm waiting on the K4/0), I found a client server application (df3cb.com)
> that uses a WinKeyer to give you paddle CW.  It requires a WinKeyer on BOTH
> ends of your remote.  The idea is that you are paddling your local WinKeyer
> and it is talking to the remote WinKeyer which is connected to your remote
> rig.  That same remote capability is built into a WinKeyer
> (https://www.hamcrafters2.com/files/WKremote.pdf) and called WKremote by
> K1EL.  I didn't use that because I have a YCCC SO2R Box (which emulates a
> WinKeyer V1, I think) at my station so since I didn't have two WinKeyers, I
> tried the DF3CB idea and it worked!   You need to turn off the sidetone
> monitor on your rig and use the sidetone of your local WinKeyer but it works
> fine when you want to use a paddle for remote CW.
> 
> 
> 
> GL,
> 
> Bob K5WA


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Re: [Elecraft] REMOTE OPERATION

[K5WA]

Paul,

 

I attended the "Demo" meeting last night and was told that Elecraft will
release remoting software so you don't have to have a K4/0, HOWEVER, the
further nuance to your question is probably "Can I use a paddle to send CW?"
That was not directly discussed but I'll bet the answer is no.  I'm sure you
could use a keyboard to send CW but I'm not sure that capability will be
built into Elecraft's remoting software.  For my own interim remote setup
(I'm waiting on the K4/0), I found a client server application (df3cb.com)
that uses a WinKeyer to give you paddle CW.  It requires a WinKeyer on BOTH
ends of your remote.  The idea is that you are paddling your local WinKeyer
and it is talking to the remote WinKeyer which is connected to your remote
rig.  That same remote capability is built into a WinKeyer
(https://www.hamcrafters2.com/files/WKremote.pdf) and called WKremote by
K1EL.  I didn't use that because I have a YCCC SO2R Box (which emulates a
WinKeyer V1, I think) at my station so since I didn't have two WinKeyers, I
tried the DF3CB idea and it worked!   You need to turn off the sidetone
monitor on your rig and use the sidetone of your local WinKeyer but it works
fine when you want to use a paddle for remote CW.

 

GL,

Bob K5WA

 

 

>>>>>>> 

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:24:19 -0800

From: Paul Kobetz mailto:pkob...@gmail.com> >

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Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE OPERATION

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Hello Elecraft folks or anyone who is knowledgeable..

I hv a K4D on order since 10/19 .my hope was assured by Elecraft at the
Pacificon show when they demo'd the K4 with no other units involved for
remote operation. I am disabled and vy old and was hoping to be able to
operate my new K4D on CW remotely. If it is to be unlike that and require a

K4/0 unit pse pse let me know asap!! If I need to order one then let me know
that too.. The uncertainty for over a year really troubles me. My 1500 and
KX3 await their new brother..

TU Sirs

vy 73

de K2HZO Paulk

 

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Re: [Elecraft] REMOTE OPERATION

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Paul,

You'll definitely be able to use the K4D on CW remotely. We're still working on 
some aspects of full remote control, and will post about our progress to the 
list periodically.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Paul Kobetz  wrote:
> 
> Hello Elecraft folks or anyone who is knowledgeable..
> I hv a K4D on order since 10/19 .my hope was assured by Elecraft at the
> Pacificon show when they demo'd the K4 with no other units involved for
> remote operation. I am disabled and vy old and was hoping to be able to
> operate my new K4D on CW remotely. If it is to be unlike that and require a
> K4/0 unit pse pse let me know asap!! If I need to order one then let me
> know that too.. The uncertainty for over a year really troubles me. My 1500
> and KX3 await their new brother..
> TU Sirs
> vy 73
> de K2HZO Paulk
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[Elecraft] REMOTE OPERATION

[Paul Kobetz]

Hello Elecraft folks or anyone who is knowledgeable..
I hv a K4D on order since 10/19 .my hope was assured by Elecraft at the
Pacificon show when they demo'd the K4 with no other units involved for
remote operation. I am disabled and vy old and was hoping to be able to
operate my new K4D on CW remotely. If it is to be unlike that and require a
K4/0 unit pse pse let me know asap!! If I need to order one then let me
know that too.. The uncertainty for over a year really troubles me. My 1500
and KX3 await their new brother..
TU Sirs
vy 73
de K2HZO Paulk
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Nr4c]

But where does the USB plug into. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 24, 2020, at 1:31 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
> 
> The keyer would be hooked into the keyer/paddle jack?
> 
>> On 1/22/2020 3:04 AM, Nr4c wrote:
>> What to plug Winkeyer into at the radio end?  The K4 is connected to 
>> Ethernet, no a computer.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 20, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface as yet.
>>> K1EL Winkeyer used on both ends of the link.  With the
>>> K1EL software, the "operator's" Winkeyer converts the
>>> paddle closures to ASCII.  The ASCII is transferred to
>>> the remote (radio) WinKeyer where it is converted to
>>> key closures ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2020-01-20 6:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:
 I’ve not been too concerned about the radio end.
 But if I’m in a hotel room with only my laptop, other than using client 
 software and keyboard, how to send?  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle 
 interface as yet.
 Sent from my iPhone
 ...nr4c. bill
>> On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Mike VE3YF  wrote:
> Terry:
> 
> I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other 
> applications, maybe in the K4 as well.
> 
> -- 
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> *73 De Mike*
> *VE3YF
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

The keyer would be hooked into the keyer/paddle jack?

On 1/22/2020 3:04 AM, Nr4c wrote:

What to plug Winkeyer into at the radio end?  The K4 is connected to Ethernet, 
no a computer.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Jan 20, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:



  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface as yet.

K1EL Winkeyer used on both ends of the link.  With the
K1EL software, the "operator's" Winkeyer converts the
paddle closures to ASCII.  The ASCII is transferred to
the remote (radio) WinKeyer where it is converted to
key closures ...


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



On 2020-01-20 6:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:
I’ve not been too concerned about the radio end.
But if I’m in a hotel room with only my laptop, other than using client 
software and keyboard, how to send?  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface 
as yet.
Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Mike VE3YF  wrote:

Terry:

I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other applications, 
maybe in the K4 as well.

--

*73 De Mike*
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Nr4c]

What to plug Winkeyer into at the radio end?  The K4 is connected to Ethernet, 
no a computer. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 20, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
> 
> 
> >  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface as yet.
> 
> K1EL Winkeyer used on both ends of the link.  With the
> K1EL software, the "operator's" Winkeyer converts the
> paddle closures to ASCII.  The ASCII is transferred to
> the remote (radio) WinKeyer where it is converted to
> key closures ...
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2020-01-20 6:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> I’ve not been too concerned about the radio end.
>> But if I’m in a hotel room with only my laptop, other than using client 
>> software and keyboard, how to send?  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle 
>> interface as yet.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
 On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Mike VE3YF  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Terry:
>>> 
>>> I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other applications, 
>>> maybe in the K4 as well.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> *73 De Mike*
>>> *VE3YF
>>> 
>>> _/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*
>>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Drew AF2Z]

Good to work you, Paul!

Some remote systems accept straight key and faithfully transmit it with 
"personality" intact; some not.


FWIW, I've logged over 1,000 QSOs in the past three weeks as K3Y/2, all 
on my trusty Junker straight key. Some even understood what I was 
sending, hahha...


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 01/20/20 22:55, n...@zianet.com wrote:

Drew AF2Z writes:

I hope there will be something for mechanical keys (straight, bug & 
cootie).


I worked AF2Z just tonight with his mechanical key (as SKCC K3Y/2) using 
my old straight key and KX2.  Still lots of mechanical CW on the bands.  
Use a straight key ... no laptop, keyboard, USB or Winlink required.


73, Paul NA5N




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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[na5n]

Drew AF2Z writes:


I hope there will be something for mechanical keys (straight, bug & cootie).


I worked AF2Z just tonight with his mechanical key (as SKCC K3Y/2) using my  
old straight key and KX2.  Still lots of mechanical CW on the bands.  Use a  
straight key ... no laptop, keyboard, USB or Winlink required.


73, Paul NA5N
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Drew AF2Z]

I hope there will be something for mechanical keys (straight, bug & cootie).

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 01/20/20 19:50, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


 >  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface as yet.

K1EL Winkeyer used on both ends of the link.  With the
K1EL software, the "operator's" Winkeyer converts the
paddle closures to ASCII.  The ASCII is transferred to
the remote (radio) WinKeyer where it is converted to
key closures ...


73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-01-20 6:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:

I’ve not been too concerned about the radio end.

But if I’m in a hotel room with only my laptop, other than using 
client software and keyboard, how to send?  I’ve not seen any USB to 
paddle interface as yet.


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Mike VE3YF  wrote:

Terry:

I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other 
applications, maybe in the K4 as well.


--

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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

>  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface as yet.

K1EL Winkeyer used on both ends of the link.  With the
K1EL software, the "operator's" Winkeyer converts the
paddle closures to ASCII.  The ASCII is transferred to
the remote (radio) WinKeyer where it is converted to
key closures ...


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-01-20 6:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:

I’ve not been too concerned about the radio end.

But if I’m in a hotel room with only my laptop, other than using client 
software and keyboard, how to send?  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface 
as yet.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Mike VE3YF  wrote:

Terry:

I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other applications, 
maybe in the K4 as well.

--

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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Nr4c]

I’ve not been too concerned about the radio end. 

But if I’m in a hotel room with only my laptop, other than using client 
software and keyboard, how to send?  I’ve not seen any USB to paddle interface 
as yet. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Mike VE3YF  wrote:
> 
> Terry:
> 
> I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other applications, 
> maybe in the K4 as well.
> 
> -- 
> 
> *73 De Mike*
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Mike VE3YF]

Terry:

I am thinking "Wakeup on Lan". That feature is used in other 
applications, maybe in the K4 as well.


--

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[Elecraft] Remote Operation of K4

[Terry Brown]

I have watched many of Eric’s videos on YouTube about the K4 and how easy it 
will be to operate remotely through its Ethernet port. 

I have a rather naive question, because I’ve not seen much written about this 
with other rigs.

How would you power up and power down the K4 remotely?  I can’t imagine leaving 
the rig powered for days on end waiting for remote operation.   

Thanks!

Terry, N7TB 
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation with a K3/0 and PTT

[Gerry Hull]

Hey Serge,

Long time no talk.

Check the I/O settings on the Remote RRC web page.
You have to assign one of them correctly for the 1/8" PTT
to work correctly.

73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM

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> Hello to the group.
>
> I have a remote setup using Remote rig boxes along with a K3s, KAT500 and
> KPA500.
> All seems to be playing well.
> I have a question regarding the use of a foot switch with the K3/0. I am
> not
> able to figure out how to use a foot switch for SSB operation rather than
> VOX. I am using a Heil Pro Set headset. I would prefer to use the foot
> switch if at all possible.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you
>
> Serge
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[Elecraft] Remote operation with a K3/0 and PTT

[Serge_VA3SB]

Hello to the group. 

I have a remote setup using Remote rig boxes along with a K3s, KAT500 and
KPA500. 
All seems to be playing well. 
I have a question regarding the use of a foot switch with the K3/0. I am not
able to figure out how to use a foot switch for SSB operation rather than
VOX. I am using a Heil Pro Set headset. I would prefer to use the foot
switch if at all possible. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
Thank you

Serge
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

And the author / administrator for the free Remote hams software is Brandon, 
KG6YPI, who is part of the Elecraft engineering team.  :-)


I use this for my remote operation of my home station with a laptop PC as the 
host pc.


73,
Eric
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On 1/4/2018 9:11 AM, Gordon LaPoint wrote:

Tim,

 One of the all software ways to remote operate is: 
http://www.remotehams.com/


You set up the server software on a computer attached to the radio.   You can 
limit access to just who you want to operate your radio, or open it up to 
pre-approved hams.


    You install client software on the computer you want to operate from, its 
not all inclusive, but does work pretty good.


Gordon- N1MGO

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[Elecraft] Remote operation

[Gordon LaPoint]

Tim,

 One of the all software ways to remote operate is: 
http://www.remotehams.com/


You set up the server software on a computer attached to the radio.   
You can limit access to just who you want to operate your radio, or open 
it up to pre-approved hams.


    You install client software on the computer you want to operate 
from, its not all inclusive, but does work pretty good.


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[Elecraft] Remote operation of K3s from Android phone?

[Jim Miller]

A friend is investigating operation remotely and wonders if it is possible
from a Samsung phone. He's strictly an SSB op. He's OK with operating thru
a PC at the shack end as he never turns either the PC or rig off.

Ideas?

73

jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation flexibility

[Fred Jensen]

That's how W7RN does it.  In fact, Gerry used W7RN for a recent demo. 
Once your RRC-1258 is configured properly, you don't need a computer 
unless you need to access station automation at the remote site too.


73,

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On 11/14/2016 1:19 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:

Hey Dick,

Why do you need TRX Manager or anything of the sort?

Just bring the K3/0, RemoteRig box and whatever internet connectivity you
need.

If you need to access a desktop for antenna or KPA500, use TeamViewer or
Remote Desktop, and access any automation applications locally in the shack.

I've done many public demos with the RemoteRig gear and K3/0.  I've also
done simple Remotes using TeamViewer and Skype (just a laptop for the demo
location).

Let me know if I can help!

73, Gerry W1VE
Operating the K3 family remotely to VY1AAA, K2LE and VE4EA
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation flexibility

[Gerry Hull]

Hey Dick,

Why do you need TRX Manager or anything of the sort?

Just bring the K3/0, RemoteRig box and whatever internet connectivity you
need.

If you need to access a desktop for antenna or KPA500, use TeamViewer or
Remote Desktop, and access any automation applications locally in the shack.

I've done many public demos with the RemoteRig gear and K3/0.  I've also
done simple Remotes using TeamViewer and Skype (just a laptop for the demo
location).

Let me know if I can help!

73, Gerry W1VE
Operating the K3 family remotely to VY1AAA, K2LE and VE4EA
Hancock, NH

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On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Richard Hayman  wrote:

> I am operating my K-3/100, KPA-500, and KAT500 successfully using a K3/0
> at my residence with RemoteRig.
>
> I’ve been asked to setup a station in a Public Library MakerSpace. The
> problem is the antenna and feed line. To keep the cost low, I am hoping to
> be able to use a PC Laptop runningTRX-Manager and a Remote Rig black box at
> the MakeSpace.
>
> My question is a simple one. What changes do I need to make to the Remote
> configuration and jumpers to be compatible with two types of control
> methods.
>
> At the moment, the TRX-Manager will not turn on the radio. I get two error
> messages: RTS and CTS are not available. J3 in the Remote Rig ties them
> together.
>
> The solution needs to be a single configuration at the radio side to
> support control by both a PC with Control SW at the MakerSpace and the K3/0
> at home.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> 73, Dick, WN3R
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[Elecraft] Remote operation flexibility

[Richard Hayman]

I am operating my K-3/100, KPA-500, and KAT500 successfully using a K3/0 at my 
residence with RemoteRig.

I’ve been asked to setup a station in a Public Library MakerSpace. The problem 
is the antenna and feed line. To keep the cost low, I am hoping to be able to 
use a PC Laptop runningTRX-Manager and a Remote Rig black box at the MakeSpace.

My question is a simple one. What changes do I need to make to the Remote 
configuration and jumpers to be compatible with two types of control methods.

At the moment, the TRX-Manager will not turn on the radio. I get two error 
messages: RTS and CTS are not available. J3 in the Remote Rig ties them 
together.

The solution needs to be a single configuration at the radio side to support 
control by both a PC with Control SW at the MakerSpace and the K3/0 at home.

Any help would be appreciated.

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[Elecraft] Remote operation and P3?

[Jim Miller]

I've really grown accustomed to the P3 and would hate to be without it.

I've also started to look at remote operation for the eventual downsizing
that will occur as we get older.

Is there a way to get the P3 or its functionality while operating the K3s
remotely with any of the Elecraft solutions?

Thanks

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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation question

[Mitch Wolfson DJØQN]

Jim,

To be able to find the problem, you will need to add some details as to 
what the defect sounds like. There are many possibilities and we need 
more details. The new firmware should not necessarily cause a problem, 
but may if the difference between the two RRC's is significant. There is 
no reason not to update the control RRC and see if that solves the problem.


I also recommend that you repost this on the RemoteRig forum 
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php if the firmware update does not 
solve this to receive a response from the developers if needed.


73,
Mitch DJ0QN

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On 05.08.2014 04:22, Jim - KE8G wrote:

Hi All,
I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything worked 
perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, the only change 
I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have not updated the 
firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a problem?

I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.

Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear fine, 
no changes in SWR or power output.

Any ideas?

73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation question

[KE8G]

Well, the unfortunate part is that the only description I got was the radio 
sounded like it has a defect, nothing more and the fellow was gone.  If someone 
would like to setup a sked to have a listen, that would be great.  It would 
have to be a CW sked, as I do not have a mic.

To update everyone commenting, I have updated the K3 firmware at the control 
end, so both are now at the same level.  The firmware on the RemoteRig units 
are identical, no changes had been made there.  The coax for the remote station 
is all new 400Max series fromDXEngineering, which was thoroughly tested when 
installed two months ago.

I will update the RemoteRig firmware at both sites and see if that changes 
anything.

Thanks all for you comments!
73 de Jim - KE8G

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 On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Mike va3mw va...@portcredit.net wrote:
 
 What is the actual problem?  Defect doesn't really describe anything. 
 
 I would check the readme and see if both ends need to be updated. I would 
 suspect so.  Why not upgrade the other end just to be sure. 
 
 Btw, SWR being good or bad won't really tell you much other than if your coax 
 is presenting a 50 ohm load. It certainly won't create a bad audio situation. 
 
 Mike va3mw
 
 
 
 On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Jim - KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything 
 worked perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, the 
 only change I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have not 
 updated the firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a problem?  
 
 I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.
 
 Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear 
 fine, no changes in SWR or power output.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation question

[Jim - KE8G]

I now see I have an error message on the remote side:
Saved error message:
Data Abort at 0x00043114, called by 0x000437ac

Any ideas?


 KE8G k...@cox.net wrote: 
 Well, the unfortunate part is that the only description I got was the radio 
 sounded like it has a defect, nothing more and the fellow was gone.  If 
 someone would like to setup a sked to have a listen, that would be great.  It 
 would have to be a CW sked, as I do not have a mic.
 
 To update everyone commenting, I have updated the K3 firmware at the control 
 end, so both are now at the same level.  The firmware on the RemoteRig units 
 are identical, no changes had been made there.  The coax for the remote 
 station is all new 400Max series fromDXEngineering, which was thoroughly 
 tested when installed two months ago.
 
 I will update the RemoteRig firmware at both sites and see if that changes 
 anything.
 
 Thanks all for you comments!
 73 de Jim - KE8G
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Mike va3mw va...@portcredit.net wrote:
  
  What is the actual problem?  Defect doesn't really describe anything. 
  
  I would check the readme and see if both ends need to be updated. I would 
  suspect so.  Why not upgrade the other end just to be sure. 
  
  Btw, SWR being good or bad won't really tell you much other than if your 
  coax is presenting a 50 ohm load. It certainly won't create a bad audio 
  situation. 
  
  Mike va3mw
  
  
  
  On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Jim - KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:
  
  Hi All,
  I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything 
  worked perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, the 
  only change I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have not 
  updated the firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a 
  problem?  
  
  I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.
  
  Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear 
  fine, no changes in SWR or power output.
  
  Any ideas?
  
  73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation question

[Jim - KE8G]

Okay, I have now updated the RemoteRig firmware at both the remote and control 
sites.


 KE8G k...@cox.net wrote: 
 Well, the unfortunate part is that the only description I got was the radio 
 sounded like it has a defect, nothing more and the fellow was gone.  If 
 someone would like to setup a sked to have a listen, that would be great.  It 
 would have to be a CW sked, as I do not have a mic.
 
 To update everyone commenting, I have updated the K3 firmware at the control 
 end, so both are now at the same level.  The firmware on the RemoteRig units 
 are identical, no changes had been made there.  The coax for the remote 
 station is all new 400Max series fromDXEngineering, which was thoroughly 
 tested when installed two months ago.
 
 I will update the RemoteRig firmware at both sites and see if that changes 
 anything.
 
 Thanks all for you comments!
 73 de Jim - KE8G
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Mike va3mw va...@portcredit.net wrote:
  
  What is the actual problem?  Defect doesn't really describe anything. 
  
  I would check the readme and see if both ends need to be updated. I would 
  suspect so.  Why not upgrade the other end just to be sure. 
  
  Btw, SWR being good or bad won't really tell you much other than if your 
  coax is presenting a 50 ohm load. It certainly won't create a bad audio 
  situation. 
  
  Mike va3mw
  
  
  
  On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Jim - KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:
  
  Hi All,
  I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything 
  worked perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, the 
  only change I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have not 
  updated the firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a 
  problem?  
  
  I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.
  
  Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear 
  fine, no changes in SWR or power output.
  
  Any ideas?
  
  73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation question

[Mitch Wolfson DJØQN]

Jim,

I highly suggest that you post this issue on the RemoteRig forum at 
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php for the RemoteRig developers to 
answer. They do not read the Elecraft reflector.


73,
Mitch DJ0QN

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On 05.08.2014 17:33, Jim - KE8G wrote:

I now see I have an error message on the remote side:
Saved error message:
Data Abort at 0x00043114, called by 0x000437ac

Any ideas?


 KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:

Well, the unfortunate part is that the only description I got was the radio 
sounded like it has a defect, nothing more and the fellow was gone.  If someone 
would like to setup a sked to have a listen, that would be great.  It would 
have to be a CW sked, as I do not have a mic.

To update everyone commenting, I have updated the K3 firmware at the control 
end, so both are now at the same level.  The firmware on the RemoteRig units 
are identical, no changes had been made there.  The coax for the remote station 
is all new 400Max series fromDXEngineering, which was thoroughly tested when 
installed two months ago.

I will update the RemoteRig firmware at both sites and see if that changes 
anything.

Thanks all for you comments!
73 de Jim - KE8G

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Mike va3mw va...@portcredit.net wrote:

What is the actual problem?  Defect doesn't really describe anything.

I would check the readme and see if both ends need to be updated. I would 
suspect so.  Why not upgrade the other end just to be sure.

Btw, SWR being good or bad won't really tell you much other than if your coax 
is presenting a 50 ohm load. It certainly won't create a bad audio situation.

Mike va3mw




On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Jim - KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:

Hi All,
I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything worked 
perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, the only change 
I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have not updated the 
firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a problem?

I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.

Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear fine, 
no changes in SWR or power output.

Any ideas?

73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation question

[Jim - KE8G]

Hi Mitch,
Yes, good idea!  I am also going to call Elecraft and speak with Brandon.  I 
tried that yesterday, but he had the day off.

As of now, firmware in both K3's are the same, firmware in both RemoteRig units 
is the same.

So, we will go from there.

thanks,
73 de Jim - KE8G
 Mitch Wolfson DJØQN dj...@gmx.net wrote: 
 Jim,
 
 I highly suggest that you post this issue on the RemoteRig forum at 
 http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php for the RemoteRig developers to 
 answer. They do not read the Elecraft reflector.
 
 73,
 Mitch DJ0QN
 
 Mitch Wolfson
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 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378
 
 On 05.08.2014 17:33, Jim - KE8G wrote:
  I now see I have an error message on the remote side:
  Saved error message:
  Data Abort at 0x00043114, called by 0x000437ac
 
  Any ideas?
 
 
   KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:
  Well, the unfortunate part is that the only description I got was the 
  radio sounded like it has a defect, nothing more and the fellow was gone.  
  If someone would like to setup a sked to have a listen, that would be 
  great.  It would have to be a CW sked, as I do not have a mic.
 
  To update everyone commenting, I have updated the K3 firmware at the 
  control end, so both are now at the same level.  The firmware on the 
  RemoteRig units are identical, no changes had been made there.  The coax 
  for the remote station is all new 400Max series fromDXEngineering, which 
  was thoroughly tested when installed two months ago.
 
  I will update the RemoteRig firmware at both sites and see if that changes 
  anything.
 
  Thanks all for you comments!
  73 de Jim - KE8G
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Mike va3mw va...@portcredit.net wrote:
 
  What is the actual problem?  Defect doesn't really describe anything.
 
  I would check the readme and see if both ends need to be updated. I would 
  suspect so.  Why not upgrade the other end just to be sure.
 
  Btw, SWR being good or bad won't really tell you much other than if your 
  coax is presenting a 50 ohm load. It certainly won't create a bad audio 
  situation.
 
  Mike va3mw
 
 
 
  On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Jim - KE8G k...@cox.net wrote:
 
  Hi All,
  I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything 
  worked perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, 
  the only change I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have 
  not updated the firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a 
  problem?
 
  I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.
 
  Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear 
  fine, no changes in SWR or power output.
 
  Any ideas?
 
  73 de Jim - KE8G
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[Elecraft] Remote operation question

[Jim - KE8G]

Hi All,
I seem to be having a problem with my RemoteRig operation.  Everything worked 
perfectly when I initially set it up.  While at the remote QTH, the only change 
I made was to add the newest firmware to the K3.  I have not updated the 
firmware at the K3 control station, would this cause a problem?  

I had a person tell me the rig sounds like it has a defect.

Looking at things from the control end, the KAT500  KPA500 both appear fine, 
no changes in SWR or power output.

Any ideas?

73 de Jim - KE8G
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[Elecraft] Remote operation of a K3

[W0WFH Bill]

Hi all;

I would like to remote my K3 station via the internet.  With out spend lots of 
money.

I know there are several programs available that clam remote operation but they 

don't tell you what else you got to buy.  


Back in the 90's I used a program called PC anywhere to access my office 
computer
from any where it worked fairly well.  An I see it still available is anyone 
using it to
access your host computer in your shack?  


I am open to suggestion from anyone who has a K3 up and running,  


One more thing I am disabled an right now I can get out to my shack via a 
wheelchair,  But
I done know when I will be confined to my bed most of the time,  An before that
happens I would like to get the K3 station remoted. 


Please all suggestion keep off the reflector and answer me direct at 
w0...@yahoo.com .
Thanks
Bill W0WFH
Linn, Mo
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation of a K3

[PKA]

I have sent a description of my low cost set-up to Bill.
Recently I have added the two-Winkeyer solution so I can operate remotely using 
a paddle. I can recommend it.
Write to me off-list if you want the short description.

OZ4UN
Poul-Erik

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Fra: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] 
På vegne af W0WFH Bill
Sendt: 8. april 2014 10:30
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Emne: [Elecraft] Remote operation of a K3

Hi all;

I would like to remote my K3 station via the internet.  With out spend lots of 
money.

I know there are several programs available that clam remote operation but they 

don't tell you what else you got to buy.  


Back in the 90's I used a program called PC anywhere to access my office 
computer from any where it worked fairly well.  An I see it still available is 
anyone using it to access your host computer in your shack?  


I am open to suggestion from anyone who has a K3 up and running,  


One more thing I am disabled an right now I can get out to my shack via a 
wheelchair,  But I done know when I will be confined to my bed most of the 
time,  An before that happens I would like to get the K3 station remoted. 


Please all suggestion keep off the reflector and answer me direct at 
w0...@yahoo.com .
Thanks
Bill W0WFH
Linn, Mo
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[Elecraft] Remote operation of the K3 questions

[Dick Diddams]

 

Twice I've written to K3 Support with no response - hence my assumption, 'my
application can't be done'.  Also, my questions are most likely outside
the charter of K3 Support and no response was provided.  

 

Reply directly to me, please doesn't clutter the Elecraft Digest with
needless chatter. (dickdiddams at earthlink.net)

 

The questions asked K3 Support: 

Please recommend articles (manufacturers of hardware performing this
application) connecting the K3, KPA500, P3 and KAT500 via cable over a
distance of 200- to 250-ft?  My operation is 95% CW, 4% PSK and 1% SSB. 

 

 

Recommend Application Note(s) available for operating a remote station
operation via cable

 

 

Usage of a UHF (1296 MHz as example) link is acceptable - but request
direction where to locate articles.

 

 

Which is better hardware to use for this application, the K3/0, or a 2nd
regular K3 operating in 'terminal mode'?

 

 

The reason for operating remote, is because the antenna will be located
about 200-ft from the house.  The remote station is in an insulated climate
controlled room (inside a barn).  The remote operating location has 100-amp
240-volt service. 

 

As a side note, (from your experience), is it simpler for one to use the
Internet for this application - - - concern when using the Internet is able
to have full CW break-in.  My normal operating speed is about 30 WPM and up
to 40 WPM.  Not sure if there is a limitation on CW speed when operating
remote.  If there is a limitation, what is the maximum CW speed one can use
when operating remote?

 

My preference is to run a cable (or an UHF link) and not use the Internet
for the remote operation.

 

If the recommendation is a K3/0 as the preferred hardware to use for remote
operation, are there used Remote Internet System readily available and
what is a reasonable selling price? 70%, 60%, etc. of the original selling
price?

 

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Regards, Dick - W7QHE

dickdiddams at earthlink.net

 

PS - Searching the Internet did not provide answers to my above questions -
possibly, the questions were not phrased properly!

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation of the K3 questions

[Josh Fiden]

Hi Dick,

200 ft is not a long distance at HF. If you're already going to run a 
cable from the operating position to near the antenna anyway, why not 
just use a low loss feedline? LMR400 or equiv is only around -1.5dB at 
10m. If that's unacceptable, you can find 1/2 hardline for much less 
than your proposed solutions.


73,
Josh W6XU

On 3/9/2013 8:54 AM, Dick Diddams wrote:
  


Twice I've written to K3 Support with no response - hence my assumption, 'my
application can't be done'.  Also, my questions are most likely outside
the charter of K3 Support and no response was provided.

  


Reply directly to me, please doesn't clutter the Elecraft Digest with
needless chatter. (dickdiddams at earthlink.net)

  


The questions asked K3 Support:

Please recommend articles (manufacturers of hardware performing this
application) connecting the K3, KPA500, P3 and KAT500 via cable over a
distance of 200- to 250-ft?  My operation is 95% CW, 4% PSK and 1% SSB.

  

  


Recommend Application Note(s) available for operating a remote station
operation via cable

  

  


Usage of a UHF (1296 MHz as example) link is acceptable - but request
direction where to locate articles.

  

  


Which is better hardware to use for this application, the K3/0, or a 2nd
regular K3 operating in 'terminal mode'?

  

  


The reason for operating remote, is because the antenna will be located
about 200-ft from the house.  The remote station is in an insulated climate
controlled room (inside a barn).  The remote operating location has 100-amp
240-volt service.

  


As a side note, (from your experience), is it simpler for one to use the
Internet for this application - - - concern when using the Internet is able
to have full CW break-in.  My normal operating speed is about 30 WPM and up
to 40 WPM.  Not sure if there is a limitation on CW speed when operating
remote.  If there is a limitation, what is the maximum CW speed one can use
when operating remote?

  


My preference is to run a cable (or an UHF link) and not use the Internet
for the remote operation.

  


If the recommendation is a K3/0 as the preferred hardware to use for remote
operation, are there used Remote Internet System readily available and
what is a reasonable selling price? 70%, 60%, etc. of the original selling
price?

  


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communications, your email will automatically be placed in a Junk Folder
until it is retrieved and your address has been added to my Address Book.
Approximately once each day, the Junk Folder will be viewed and your
address will be added to the Address Book.

  


Regards, Dick - W7QHE

dickdiddams at earthlink.net

  


PS - Searching the Internet did not provide answers to my above questions -
possibly, the questions were not phrased properly!

  


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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation of the K3 questions

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

PS - Searching the Internet did not provide answers to my above

 questions - possibly, the questions were not phrased properly!

The internet did not provide any answers to the above questions
because the configuration proposed is not feasible.  The P3
requires access via RS-232 to the K3 CAT commands and access via
the KXV3 or KXV3A to the receiver IF.  This means the P3 must be
collocated with the K3.  However, the display (and controls) is not 
remoteable nor is there a slave P3/0 equivalent to a K3/0.


There are, to the best of my knowledge, no off the shelf internet
remote operating systems that support the P3.

The standard solution for your needs - used my many many amateurs -
is to locate the equipment at the control point and use a large
diameter (7/8 or 1 5/8) hardline with a remote antenna switch
(generally with N+1 control lines where N=number of antenna ports).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/9/2013 11:54 AM, Dick Diddams wrote:



Twice I've written to K3 Support with no response - hence my assumption, 'my
application can't be done'.  Also, my questions are most likely outside
the charter of K3 Support and no response was provided.



Reply directly to me, please doesn't clutter the Elecraft Digest with
needless chatter. (dickdiddams at earthlink.net)



The questions asked K3 Support:

Please recommend articles (manufacturers of hardware performing this
application) connecting the K3, KPA500, P3 and KAT500 via cable over a
distance of 200- to 250-ft?  My operation is 95% CW, 4% PSK and 1% SSB.





Recommend Application Note(s) available for operating a remote station
operation via cable





Usage of a UHF (1296 MHz as example) link is acceptable - but request
direction where to locate articles.





Which is better hardware to use for this application, the K3/0, or a 2nd
regular K3 operating in 'terminal mode'?





The reason for operating remote, is because the antenna will be located
about 200-ft from the house.  The remote station is in an insulated climate
controlled room (inside a barn).  The remote operating location has 100-amp
240-volt service.



As a side note, (from your experience), is it simpler for one to use the
Internet for this application - - - concern when using the Internet is able
to have full CW break-in.  My normal operating speed is about 30 WPM and up
to 40 WPM.  Not sure if there is a limitation on CW speed when operating
remote.  If there is a limitation, what is the maximum CW speed one can use
when operating remote?



My preference is to run a cable (or an UHF link) and not use the Internet
for the remote operation.



If the recommendation is a K3/0 as the preferred hardware to use for remote
operation, are there used Remote Internet System readily available and
what is a reasonable selling price? 70%, 60%, etc. of the original selling
price?



When you reply directly to me, and if we haven't had previous
communications, your email will automatically be placed in a Junk Folder
until it is retrieved and your address has been added to my Address Book.
Approximately once each day, the Junk Folder will be viewed and your
address will be added to the Address Book.



Regards, Dick - W7QHE

dickdiddams at earthlink.net



PS - Searching the Internet did not provide answers to my above questions -
possibly, the questions were not phrased properly!



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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation of the K3 questions

[Walter Underwood]

That was my thought. Put the amplifier at the remote spot, run coax to it, and 
use an RS-232 extender for the control lines, if needed.

wunder
K6WRU

On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:

 Hi Dick,
 
 200 ft is not a long distance at HF. If you're already going to run a cable 
 from the operating position to near the antenna anyway, why not just use a 
 low loss feedline? LMR400 or equiv is only around -1.5dB at 10m. If that's 
 unacceptable, you can find 1/2 hardline for much less than your proposed 
 solutions.
 
 73,
 Josh W6XU
 
 On 3/9/2013 8:54 AM, Dick Diddams wrote:
  
 Twice I've written to K3 Support with no response - hence my assumption, 'my
 application can't be done'.  Also, my questions are most likely outside
 the charter of K3 Support and no response was provided.
 
  
 Reply directly to me, please doesn't clutter the Elecraft Digest with
 needless chatter. (dickdiddams at earthlink.net)
 
  
 The questions asked K3 Support:
 
 Please recommend articles (manufacturers of hardware performing this
 application) connecting the K3, KPA500, P3 and KAT500 via cable over a
 distance of 200- to 250-ft?  My operation is 95% CW, 4% PSK and 1% SSB.
 
  
  
 Recommend Application Note(s) available for operating a remote station
 operation via cable
 
  
  
 Usage of a UHF (1296 MHz as example) link is acceptable - but request
 direction where to locate articles.
 
  
  
 Which is better hardware to use for this application, the K3/0, or a 2nd
 regular K3 operating in 'terminal mode'?
 
  
  
 The reason for operating remote, is because the antenna will be located
 about 200-ft from the house.  The remote station is in an insulated climate
 controlled room (inside a barn).  The remote operating location has 100-amp
 240-volt service.
 
  
 As a side note, (from your experience), is it simpler for one to use the
 Internet for this application - - - concern when using the Internet is able
 to have full CW break-in.  My normal operating speed is about 30 WPM and up
 to 40 WPM.  Not sure if there is a limitation on CW speed when operating
 remote.  If there is a limitation, what is the maximum CW speed one can use
 when operating remote?
 
  
 My preference is to run a cable (or an UHF link) and not use the Internet
 for the remote operation.
 
  
 If the recommendation is a K3/0 as the preferred hardware to use for remote
 operation, are there used Remote Internet System readily available and
 what is a reasonable selling price? 70%, 60%, etc. of the original selling
 price?
 
  
 When you reply directly to me, and if we haven't had previous
 communications, your email will automatically be placed in a Junk Folder
 until it is retrieved and your address has been added to my Address Book.
 Approximately once each day, the Junk Folder will be viewed and your
 address will be added to the Address Book.
 
  
 Regards, Dick - W7QHE
 
 dickdiddams at earthlink.net
 
  
 PS - Searching the Internet did not provide answers to my above questions -
 possibly, the questions were not phrased properly!
 
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation of the K3 questions

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Hi Dick,

Which address did you write to at support and when were the emails sent? We try 
to respond to --all- support emails. (Though it can take a day or more if we 
are receiving a lot of emails and calls.) Sometimes there is a typo in the 
support address used by the user which can also block it from getting to us. 
Other times we have seen our replies get caught in the customer's spam filter. 

Also, if anyone emails support and does not get a response, please email 
sa...@elecraft.com to let them know. You can also call us on the phone is all 
else fails. We're here to help.
In any case, I'll talk to our support team about this Monday.

Regards,

Eric
elecraft.com
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On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Dick Diddams dickdidd...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
 Twice I've written to K3 Support with no response - hence my assumption, 'my
 application can't be done'.  Also, my questions are most likely outside
 the charter of K3 Support and no response was provided.  
 
 
 
 Reply directly to me, please doesn't clutter the Elecraft Digest with
 needless chatter. (dickdiddams at earthlink.net)
 
 
 
 The questions asked K3 Support: 
 
 Please recommend articles (manufacturers of hardware performing this
 application) connecting the K3, KPA500, P3 and KAT500 via cable over a
 distance of 200- to 250-ft?  My operation is 95% CW, 4% PSK and 1% SSB. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Recommend Application Note(s) available for operating a remote station
 operation via cable
 
 
 
 
 
 Usage of a UHF (1296 MHz as example) link is acceptable - but request
 direction where to locate articles.
 
 
 
 
 
 Which is better hardware to use for this application, the K3/0, or a 2nd
 regular K3 operating in 'terminal mode'?
 
 
 
 
 
 The reason for operating remote, is because the antenna will be located
 about 200-ft from the house.  The remote station is in an insulated climate
 controlled room (inside a barn).  The remote operating location has 100-amp
 240-volt service. 
 
 
 
 As a side note, (from your experience), is it simpler for one to use the
 Internet for this application - - - concern when using the Internet is able
 to have full CW break-in.  My normal operating speed is about 30 WPM and up
 to 40 WPM.  Not sure if there is a limitation on CW speed when operating
 remote.  If there is a limitation, what is the maximum CW speed one can use
 when operating remote?
 
 
 
 My preference is to run a cable (or an UHF link) and not use the Internet
 for the remote operation.
 
 
 
 If the recommendation is a K3/0 as the preferred hardware to use for remote
 operation, are there used Remote Internet System readily available and
 what is a reasonable selling price? 70%, 60%, etc. of the original selling
 price?
 
 
 
 When you reply directly to me, and if we haven't had previous
 communications, your email will automatically be placed in a Junk Folder
 until it is retrieved and your address has been added to my Address Book.
 Approximately once each day, the Junk Folder will be viewed and your
 address will be added to the Address Book.
 
 
 
 Regards, Dick - W7QHE
 
 dickdiddams at earthlink.net
 
 
 
 PS - Searching the Internet did not provide answers to my above questions -
 possibly, the questions were not phrased properly!
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation

[Chad Wasinger]

Great to hear, Roger. I successfully completed my remote operation using the 
K3/0 and K3/10 combo yesterday.


I agree, Brandon's knowledge on the topic and willingness to help has been 
outstanding!


73,
Chad
N0YK

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Sharp

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:11 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operation

Roger - W7VV,

I have successfully set up my remote operation using K3 to K3 and Remote 
Rigs RRC 1258 MkII with cables purchased from Elecraft. I have recently also 
put into operation
a West Mountain Radio Rigrunner 4005i for turning on/off power and 
individual station components. I think Microbit (that makes the RRC 1258s) 
also has a “web switch”

which may also be a good option for power control.

Setting it all up with my very complex (for me) Verizon router (which also 
supplies other functions like TV), would have been impossible with out the 
very able and terrific support
provided by Brandon at Elecraft. My sincere thanks to him for providing 
terrific support. His support is the primary reason I’d recommend using the 
RCC 1258s (which work very well
with the K3s/k3/0) or other rigs as well. I’d recommend anyone to call him 
should you have difficulties setting up your remote operation.
Finally, having a dynamic name server (I think that’s what its called) 
(provided by Microbit) is paramount to automatically reconfigure your device 
access should your routers (public IP adress)
change – which will occur while your away from your rig for any number of 
reasons - like power failures,etc.


Good luck, Jim – W5AP
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[Elecraft] Remote Operation

[Jim Sharp]

Roger - W7VV,

I have successfully set up my remote operation using K3 to K3 and Remote Rigs 
RRC 1258 MkII with cables purchased from Elecraft. I have recently also put 
into operation
a West Mountain Radio Rigrunner 4005i for turning on/off power and individual 
station components. I think Microbit (that makes the RRC 1258s) also has a “web 
switch”
which may also be a good option for power control.

Setting it all up with my very complex (for me) Verizon router (which also 
supplies other functions like TV), would have been impossible with out the very 
able and terrific support
provided by Brandon at Elecraft. My sincere thanks to him for providing 
terrific support. His support is the primary reason I’d recommend using the RCC 
1258s (which work very well
with the K3s/k3/0) or other rigs as well. I’d recommend anyone to call him 
should you have difficulties setting up your remote operation.
Finally, having a dynamic name server (I think that’s what its called) 
(provided by Microbit) is paramount to automatically reconfigure your device 
access should your routers (public IP adress)
change – which will occur while your away from your rig for any number of 
reasons - like power failures,etc.

Good luck, Jim – W5AP
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation

[Chad Wasinger]

Roger -

At our remote site we are using the LP-Remote board. Works great but a 
little on the pricey side. Has a great software package included that allows 
for macro's and frequency sensing to initiate a macro.


73,
Chad
N0YK

-Original Message- 
From: Roger Huntley

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:18 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operation

I am looking at installing a remote station using K3-K3/0 equipment.  While
the radio portion of the system appears quite simple using Elecraft
components I am wondering if anyone knows of a good web site that discusses
using shipping containers as the remote building and how they control the
power side of the installations, such as turning equipment on-off, etc.

Roger, W7VV

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[Elecraft] Remote Operation

[Roger Huntley]

I am looking at installing a remote station using K3-K3/0 equipment.  While
the radio portion of the system appears quite simple using Elecraft
components I am wondering if anyone knows of a good web site that discusses
using shipping containers as the remote building and how they control the
power side of the installations, such as turning equipment on-off, etc. 

Roger, W7VV

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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation

[D Joyce]

GA Roger:  for remote power control, have a look at the Ambery Professional 
Remote Power Switch  at


www.ambery.com/prreposwphco.html

It provides four AC outlets which can be individually controlled over the 
internet or a phone line.  I've been using one in a remote station and found 
it to be quite reliable.


73,  Doug  VE3MV

- Original Message - 
From: Roger Huntley snr.hunt...@q.com

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:18 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operation



I am looking at installing a remote station using K3-K3/0 equipment.  While
the radio portion of the system appears quite simple using Elecraft
components I am wondering if anyone knows of a good web site that 
discusses

using shipping containers as the remote building and how they control the
power side of the installations, such as turning equipment on-off, etc.

Roger, W7VV

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[Elecraft] Remote Operation

[Dyarnes]

Hi all,

Last weekend I had the privilege of being invited as a guest to the 
Northwest FOC gathering in Seattle.  The invitation came from my friend 
Shin, JA1NUT, who was in attendance.  It was wonderful to meet this fine 
fellow after so many years of having chatted with him on 40 and 20 CW.  I 
also got to meet a number of other fine folks with whom I have been enjoying 
lots of good contacts on the air.  I will tell you that this group sure 
knows how to put on a superb event.  Lots of things to do, great food to 
eat, and, of course, a lot of very interesting conversation.  Even the 
spouses have a great time.

Anyway, at our hotel we had a hospitality room in which Steve, W7QC, had set 
up his K3.  We were on the top floor, and they had temporarily installed a 
multi-band vertical on the roof which performed very well.  If anyone had a 
QSO with K7FOC last weekend, that was us!

One of the more interesting highlights of the operating part was provided by 
Tof, DJ6ZM, who was also in attendance.  He has his station in Munich 
remoted, and we even had a contact between Tof, in one room, and K7FOC, in 
the adjoining room!  Tof uses the Remoterig system, and only has to bring 
one of the two pieces of the Remoterig system, plus the remote head from his 
TS-480--and a paddle, of course!  Tof's setup in Munich is rather elaborate, 
in that he can actually control several different operating positions, and 
several different antennas. all of which are very substantial.  However, the 
system doesn't need to be so elaborate in order to communicate effectively. 
Nonetheless, his is an awesome system.

This wasn't my first exposure to a remote setup, as Paul, W9AC, had also 
shown me his remote setup a couple of years back when we were all at FDIM in 
Dayton.  Paul uses the TS-480 also, but with a slightly different method of 
remote operation, which involves having twin K1EL keyers, one at each end. 
That system worked very well also.

In any event, I'm getting very keen on being able to set up some sort of 
remote system of my own.  As most of you know, Elecraft now has its own 
remote system using the K3/0 remote module.  I've not seen that one in 
operation, but I'm sure it works equally well.  So, you have several 
commercial options available currently.  If you are a K3 owner, the K3/0 may 
well be your preference since it gives you pretty much complete duplication 
of all the K3's capabilities from your remote location.  This is 
particularly attractive if your remote location is some place where you can 
establish a somewhat semi-permanent setup, like a summer home, etc.  As a 
portable, traveling unit it might be somewhat less attractive due to size, 
but perhaps not.  We tend to view the K3 as a reasonably portable unit, and 
the K3/0 is no bigger.  You still need something like the Remoterig devices, 
but it only adds a small additional amount to what you have to transport. 
Alternatively, however, you could use a rig like the TS-480, and only have 
to transport one side of the Remoterig setup plus the 480's remote head--a 
somewhat smaller, more convenient package for traveling.

I'm still sorting out in my mind all the requirements for operating in this 
fashion, but it is most intriguing.  It's also pretty impressive when you 
have something like W9AC's system, or DJ6Zm's system, as to what you can do 
and how effective it is.  I'm currently up here in Oregon for the rest of 
the summer, and something like this would be very useful.  I can set up a 
modest station here, but antennas are an issue.  I have an extremely limited 
space in which to erect anything.  I am getting close to deciding that 
remote operation may be my best option.  I can still use something like my 
KX3 for local operation, but a remote system tends to eliminate 
complexities with various locations I might find myself in as we travel.

Anyhow, just thought I would pass on my impressions from my recent 
observations.  It's just another way to have fun with ham radio.

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation K3

[Mitch Wolfson DJØQN]

Hi Ron,

In all the remote stations that I have been involved with, this has been 
the most complex issue to solve. However, I will give you a short 
summary of various methods that can be used.

There are three general methods:
1) Antenna switches controlled remotely
2) Relays used to control separate switches remotely
3) Amplifiers with built-in antenna switches

Here are details:

1) Antenna switches controlled remotely:
This can in turn be split into two categories:

a) Switches with full serial control:
   http://www.arraysolutions.com/eightpak.htm

b) Switches controlled through band decoders
   Lots of examples, but can be complex and expensive:
   http://microham.com/index1.html
   http://www.ameritron.com/Product.php?productid=RCS-10LX
   http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/ratpak.htm
   http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/sixpak.htm
http://www.dxengineering.com/ProductDetail.asp?ID=85SecID=33DeptID={5B8FC0A3-1D03-4603-B76D-F4F0DA53D8C1}
   etc.

2) Relays used to control separate switches remotely
This can as well be split into two categories:

a) Relays controlled via AC through an IP switch (web power switch). 
Examples include:
   http://www.koukaam.se/products.php?cat_id=19
   http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html
   etc.

b) Relays controlled directly through ethernet. Examples include:
   http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=166
   http://www.telepostinc.com/N8LP-Remote/index.html
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ethernet-Relay-controller-module-WEB-server-IP-/110726704273?_trksid=p4340.m1374_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D15%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2517210939834087953#ht_4711wt_1185
   http://home.arcor.de/dh2iw/bundles.html
   http://www.relaiskarten.de/pi-2120223197.htm?categoryId=3
   http://denkovi.com/category/11/ip-relay-boards.html
   etc.

3) Amplifiers with built-in antenna switches
These are examples of amplifiers that can be controlled via serial, USB 
(remote PC only) or ethernet and also can switch antennas:
   http://www.linear-amplifier.com/
   http://www.hfpower.com/  (2000a with 2000S and 2000SW)
   http://www.om-power.com/om2500remote
http://www.rfconcepts.com/PRODUCTS/New-Products/Alpha-9500-Autotune-Full-Legal-Limit-Linear-Amplifier

Note that effectively any serial device can be remotely controlled over 
the internet by interfacing it with a serial server at the remote site. 
This can be a device like the ones from Lantronix, or can use a COM port 
from the RemoteRig RRC. USB devices are difficult to remote control, it 
is better to leave them connected to a remote PC and control that PC 
remotely. The best solutions overall are ethernet/IP based, since these 
can be controlled using a  browser.

If you have any further questions, just let me know.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN

On 07.03.2012 23:37, Ron Gould wrote:
 Greetings group.  I have been toying with the idea of using the Remoterig 
 setup but it seems to me other issues need to be addressed here.  I 
 understand the operation of the radio via Remoterig is fairly easy.  What I 
 am wondering is has anyone had any experience using the K3 to switch antenna 
 switches and possibly rotor control.  I need to switch antennas remotely at a 
 minimum and am wondering what others might be doing for this?  I have a 
 antenna switch already which is a DX engineering 8 position one and it is 
 controlled currently manually with their control box.  DX engineering says 
 Ameritron has a RCS 12C which will control their switch.  Has anyone out 
 there interfaced one of these with a K3 successfully or used other methods 
 they might be willing to share?  Thanks in advance.
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[Elecraft] Remote operation K3

[Ron Gould]

Greetings group.  I have been toying with the idea of using the Remoterig setup 
but it seems to me other issues need to be addressed here.  I understand the 
operation of the radio via Remoterig is fairly easy.  What I am wondering is 
has anyone had any experience using the K3 to switch antenna switches and 
possibly rotor control.  I need to switch antennas remotely at a minimum and am 
wondering what others might be doing for this?  I have a antenna switch already 
which is a DX engineering 8 position one and it is controlled currently 
manually with their control box.  DX engineering says Ameritron has a RCS 12C 
which will control their switch.  Has anyone out there interfaced one of these 
with a K3 successfully or used other methods they might be willing to share?  
Thanks in advance.  
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Re: [Elecraft] Remote operation K3

[Don Wilhelm]

Ron,

If you select antennas according to band, the Elecraft KRC2 will work 
very well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/7/2012 5:37 PM, Ron Gould wrote:
 Greetings group.  I have been toying with the idea of using the Remoterig 
 setup but it seems to me other issues need to be addressed here.  I 
 understand the operation of the radio via Remoterig is fairly easy.  What I 
 am wondering is has anyone had any experience using the K3 to switch antenna 
 switches and possibly rotor control.  I need to switch antennas remotely at a 
 minimum and am wondering what others might be doing for this?  I have a 
 antenna switch already which is a DX engineering 8 position one and it is 
 controlled currently manually with their control box.  DX engineering says 
 Ameritron has a RCS 12C which will control their switch.  Has anyone out 
 there interfaced one of these with a K3 successfully or used other methods 
 they might be willing to share?  Thanks in advance.

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[Elecraft] Remote Operation on SSB with a K3 radio problem

[John K9UWA]

I have successfully operated my home station while away from home on CW on and 
off for about a year.

But would like to add the abilty to do SSB to my K3 radio and Computer. The 
computer running XP-Pro attached to the K3 has a 
good sound card in it but I don't know  what hole I should be coming out of the 
sound card FROM ? Line Out? External Speaker out? 

And into which rear jack on the backside of the K3 radio? Mono line IN ? or Mic 
IN ? 

Do I also have to make up my cable then perhaps Stereo on the Computer end  and 
into a Mono on the Radio end?

I tried a Stereo to Stereo cable from a couple of the soundcard outputs into 
the Mono Line IN on the K3 but I could not
come up with any settings for the Mic Gain and Antivox on the K3 that actually 
worked. They either wouldn't feed adequate
audio to the radio or would ack the curciut and make the antivox act up 
tripping it all back off again. Guess I am somewhat
lost.

Sound back and forth between the home radio computer and me wherever I am is 
Microsoft program called MS Portrait 
which has worked flawlessly for both CW and with speakers hooked up I can also 
talk to people if someone is here at my
home in the shack. Somewhat like being on a speaker telephone. It seems to work 
better than when I used IP-Sound. 
Normally these speakers are disconneted. If we are using the radio and would 
only be hooked up if someone were here for
troubleshooting some problem.  Also using a VPN to get to and from the computer 
using Ham Radio deluxe to control the
 K3 radio.

For CW I use a K1EL USB keyer operated from within HRD and Also have and use 
the Windows version of K1EA CT Program.

Thanks
John k9uwa
John Goller, K9UWA  Jean Goller, N9PXF 
Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
USA
1-260-637-6426

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Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operation on SSB with a K3 radio problem

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

Hi John,

I do some remote SSB operation (picking off DX when they don't show up
on CW!), but I don't use VOX.

Line out or speaker out (generically, the green jack) on your sound
card to the line-in on the K3 with a standard stereo cable should work
fine. I believe that the jack on the K3 is a stereo one, but the
ring is not connected to anything.

You will have to adjust the line-in level n the K3 to suit (I run mine
somewhere around 20-25), and, as far as I know, this can only be done
using the MIC control on the front of the K3 when MAIN:MIC-SEL is
set to line-in. I've been meaning to bug Wayne about the fact that
this can't be adjusted remotely, AFAIK, but once it's set about right,
you can fine tune with the sound card's level controls.

GL...

~Iain / N6ML


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM, John K9UWA
j...@johnjeanantiqueradio.com wrote:
 I have successfully operated my home station while away from home on CW on 
 and off for about a year.

 But would like to add the abilty to do SSB to my K3 radio and Computer. The 
 computer running XP-Pro attached to the K3 has a
 good sound card in it but I don't know  what hole I should be coming out of 
 the sound card FROM ? Line Out? External Speaker out?

 And into which rear jack on the backside of the K3 radio? Mono line IN ? or 
 Mic IN ?

 Do I also have to make up my cable then perhaps Stereo on the Computer end  
 and into a Mono on the Radio end?

 I tried a Stereo to Stereo cable from a couple of the soundcard outputs into 
 the Mono Line IN on the K3 but I could not
 come up with any settings for the Mic Gain and Antivox on the K3 that 
 actually worked. They either wouldn't feed adequate
 audio to the radio or would ack the curciut and make the antivox act up 
 tripping it all back off again. Guess I am somewhat
 lost.

 Sound back and forth between the home radio computer and me wherever I am is 
 Microsoft program called MS Portrait
 which has worked flawlessly for both CW and with speakers hooked up I can 
 also talk to people if someone is here at my
 home in the shack. Somewhat like being on a speaker telephone. It seems to 
 work better than when I used IP-Sound.
 Normally these speakers are disconneted. If we are using the radio and would 
 only be hooked up if someone were here for
 troubleshooting some problem.  Also using a VPN to get to and from the 
 computer using Ham Radio deluxe to control the
  K3 radio.

 For CW I use a K1EL USB keyer operated from within HRD and Also have and use 
 the Windows version of K1EA CT Program.

 Thanks
 John k9uwa
 John Goller, K9UWA  Jean Goller, N9PXF
 Antique Radio Restorations
 k9...@arrl.net
 Visit our Web Site at:
 http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
 4836 Ranch Road
 Leo, IN 46765
 USA
 1-260-637-6426

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