Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control
Remember that they have to go in bandwidth order the way they go.. One can't simply reverse that I believe at the current juncture. But I think they were simply mentioning that that was what they felt it should do. Seems that they've grown accustomed now... But maybe I'm all wet. ;) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 10:38 -0500, Tom Childers, N5GE wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:18:24 -0400, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hank and Drew, > > > >The only thing I can think of is that you must be associating the width > >control to a 'peaking' control where the peak becomes more narrow as the > >control is advanced (reminiscent of the old Q-multiplier controls). > >That is not a 'width' control in my mind. I feel the width control is > >exactly right as it is - turn left for less width, turn right for more > >width - that seems quite conventional to me. > > > >73, > >Don W3FPR > > > > Seems logical to me too. > > As with most of the other controls: > > AF: left less, right more > RF/SQL: left, less, right more > Speed/Mic: left less, right more > CMP/PWR: left less, right more > DELAY: left less, right more > MON: left less, right more > VFO: left less, right more > CLR: left less, right more > PITCH: left less, right more > > If one installed the narrow filters from narrow to wide from FL1 to FL5 I > suppose the XFL button would work as you described it, but you must have a > wider > filter in position 1, so actually when you select a filter you are not > necessarily selecting a narrower filter, you are selecting the filter number. > I > think that may be one of the reasons for the filter width display. To > indicate > the filter width you have chosen, either by using the WIDTH control or the > XFIL > button. Really though, it doesn't take long to learn where they are. I have > five installed and have no trouble recalling which is which. > > > >hank k8dd wrote: > >> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile > >>> will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing > >>> to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The > >>> only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I > >>> kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it > >>> clockwise... > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> Drew > >>> AF2Z > >> > >> I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left > >> for > >> narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only > >> one that felt this way. > >> There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get > >> used to on this radio! > >> > >> 73HankK8DD > [snip] > > Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq > > "Those who would give up > Essential Liberty to > purchase a little Temporary > Safety deserve neither > Liberty nor Safety" > > An excerpt from a letter > written in 1755 from the > Assembly to the Governor > of Pennsylvania. > > Support the entire Constitution, not > just the parts you like. > > http://www.n5ge.com > http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
I must admit that this also is one that I felt was weird. To me it only seemed natural to have the power button on the top. As when I first started looking at the panel it took me a second to find the button but not long. Now that I think about it it makes sense though. The POWER button is such a rarely used thing (during operation) that it makes sense not to give it the pole position seat. That puts band in a much easier to get to location. I see it as an improvement in ergonomics and one that personally I don't think I'd have come up with on my own. Convention in my mind was that band and mode would have been slid down and power in the top corner. I'll definately remember this when I go to design my next keypanel. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 09:38 -0400, n4lq wrote: > I often hit the band button when I want to turn the rig off. Seems natural > that the power button would be on top. No biggie > Steve Ellington > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "hank k8dd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile > >> will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing > >> to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The > >> only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I > >> kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it > >> clockwise... > >> > >> 73, > >> Drew > >> AF2Z > > > > I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for > > narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only > > one that felt this way. > > There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used > > to on this radio! > > > > 73HankK8DD > > ___ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > > 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM > > > > > > > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
Strange I never thought of it that way as to looking at the XFIL section... I guess that comes from more time where you select which rock you want to use manually. My last rig was a TS450 where you just hit a button to cycle through them and they were laid out vertically on the screen. To me the knob seemed intuitive up for higher (wider) bandwidths and vice versa but I can see how if you keyed on the XFIL section on the screen you could get confused by that. I find that I pretty much never look there I just use the filter representation on the screen. If I want to know exactly where I'm at I just double tap the width knob. But I'm sure that you all got used to turning it the other way in a week or two so its all good now.. :) Every radio has its learning curve. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 09:33 -0400, hank k8dd wrote: > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile > > will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing > > to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The > > only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I > > kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it > > clockwise... > > > > 73, > > Drew > > AF2Z > > I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for > narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only > one that felt this way. > There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used > to on this radio! > > 73HankK8DD > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:18:24 -0400, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hank and Drew, > >The only thing I can think of is that you must be associating the width >control to a 'peaking' control where the peak becomes more narrow as the >control is advanced (reminiscent of the old Q-multiplier controls). >That is not a 'width' control in my mind. I feel the width control is >exactly right as it is - turn left for less width, turn right for more >width - that seems quite conventional to me. > >73, >Don W3FPR > Seems logical to me too. As with most of the other controls: AF: left less, right more RF/SQL: left, less, right more Speed/Mic: left less, right more CMP/PWR: left less, right more DELAY: left less, right more MON: left less, right more VFO: left less, right more CLR: left less, right more PITCH: left less, right more If one installed the narrow filters from narrow to wide from FL1 to FL5 I suppose the XFL button would work as you described it, but you must have a wider filter in position 1, so actually when you select a filter you are not necessarily selecting a narrower filter, you are selecting the filter number. I think that may be one of the reasons for the filter width display. To indicate the filter width you have chosen, either by using the WIDTH control or the XFIL button. Really though, it doesn't take long to learn where they are. I have five installed and have no trouble recalling which is which. >hank k8dd wrote: >> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile >>> will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing >>> to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The >>> only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I >>> kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it >>> clockwise... >>> >>> 73, >>> Drew >>> AF2Z >> >> I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left >> for >> narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only >> one that felt this way. >> There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get >> used to on this radio! >> >> 73HankK8DD [snip] Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] WIDTH control
I have this same discussion (which way to turn the width control) on a regular basis. Many people buy the variable-bandwidth NEScaf audio filter kit from the New England QRP Club www.newenglandqrp.org and ask which way they should wire the width pot. In those cases, I explain how the circuit works, and advise them to wire the pot the way -they- want it to respond. You can have it get narrower as you turn clockwise, if you wish. On the K3, Bandwidth being the control label, it should -increase- the bandwidth as you turn clockwise. So, I'm fine with the K3 response, as the control actually does what it is labelled to do. OK, so can we now re-open the discussion about which way the up/down band buttons should work? (just kidding...) Bruce Beford, N1RX K1 KX1 K2 K3... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control
Hank and Drew, The only thing I can think of is that you must be associating the width control to a 'peaking' control where the peak becomes more narrow as the control is advanced (reminiscent of the old Q-multiplier controls). That is not a 'width' control in my mind. I feel the width control is exactly right as it is - turn left for less width, turn right for more width - that seems quite conventional to me. 73, Don W3FPR hank k8dd wrote: - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used to on this radio! 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
... ... The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. When the width control is turned clockwise the bandwidth display widens with the left side moving farther left and the right side farther right. And anticlockwise adjustment shrinks the bandwidth display from both sides. How could it be made any more intuitive than that? Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
I often hit the band button when I want to turn the rig off. Seems natural that the power button would be on top. No biggie Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "hank k8dd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used to on this radio! 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used to on this radio! 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
