Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
FYI: I just redid my computer system. Went from 5 desktops to 3 from 3 20 monitors to 1 34 monitor. All the chassis are mounted away from the operating position and I use remote desktop to access them. They run a variety of tasks. The main is a win8 dell with lots of HP. The other 2 are dell 745 USFF, Ultra Small Form Factor, mounted under shelves/desks. I purchased them on ebay for $25 each, refurbed by dell, with XP loaded in and the disc attached to the top. I found the $99 each dell mounts, again on ebay, for 5 for $50, NIB. My biggest PITA was the RS-232 serial ports. My world runs on them. All my cards are for full sized desktops so they wouldn't fit. I went to 1 X 4 1 X 8 USB to RS-232 convertors. Now I have plenty of real RS-232 ports as well as lots of USB ports. IMHO, newer new small form factor are ideal because they can easily be mounted away from the general clutter. 73 de W3AB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Build an ITX size desktop - I have about $350 in mine with a quad-core, 8 Gig memory, etc. See the case at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CKNOVN2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s04?ie=UTF8psc=1 Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
My thanks to everyone who replied to my question about small-size Windows-based computers for the K-line, all with useful ideas and leads. Some of the off-list messages cautioned against using a Mac as a platform for Windows, while others (below) have had more favorable experience. The problem for me, however, is the footprint of my MacAir on the desk - which is one of the things I would like to be rid of. Among the suggestions made both off-line and on is the NUC from Intel. Interestingly, one of the housings made for the NUC is called the K3. Who could resist a marriage like that? Ted, KN1CBR -- Message: 21 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 20:37:20 -0400 From: Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: 550a1a40.2010...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Ted, I'm sure you know this already, but if you have an Intel-based Mac, you already own the best Windows computer for the money. Buy a copy of whatever flavor of Windows you prefer and use Boot Camp to boot your Mac directly into Windows. It'll run Windows natively, and better than most Windows machines. I know that finding ham stuff for the Mac can be frustrating, but it can be done. I only run Macs in my shack exclusively, and the only reason I ever run Windows on them is when I have to program my HTs. My logging programs, etc. are all OSX programs and free ones at that. I don't venture too far into the esoteric operating-wise, though... Good luck! 73, Scott, N9AA On 3/18/15 7:59 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Just a quick tip on your Mac. In order for some monitors to work correctly on OS X you need the right cable plugged into the Thunderbolt port. You shouldn't need any drivers for your monitor - just the right cable. Intel has a line of NUC (New Unit of Computing) computers that are 4 x 4 x 2. They come in a variety of processor configurations. I use a Celeron unit and it is attached to the back of my monitor. Plenty of power for anything in the ham shack. They also come in i3, i5 and i7 configurations if you need more power. The NUCs are available through Amazon and most other computer distributors. You can also look up the specs and the various models on intel's website. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 3/18/15 5:59 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k0...@aol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Ted, Looks like you are getting a lot of good advice for a PC. I wonder though what software you feel is missing for your Mac? For logging I like RUMlog or the new RUMlogNG. They integrate with my K3 nicely, and in the case of RUMlogNG, the P3 control screen is something I miss when I play with other loggers. For Digital there is FLDIGI or cocoaModem. While cocoaModem is no longer supported by Kok Chen it is still very functional and has the unique advantage of being able to watch two RTTY screens at the same time if you have the Sub. For contesting I use RUMped or Skookumlogger. BTW, I am puzzled about your comment about lacking drivers for your Dell display for the Mac. I have never needed any drivers for any monitor I have used on my Macs. Currently I have an Asus connected to my mini using DVI and an HP using HDMI. 73, Rick K6LE On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:59 PM Dauer, Edward eda...@law.du.edu wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rick.prat...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
It would be a Windows virtual machine running on your Mac -- it takes up no space at all. 73, Matt VK2RQ On 19 Mar 2015, at 10:59 am, Dauer, Edward eda...@law.du.edu wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
I have read a few answers to this post below but I am not sure what is meant by the request: So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Do you mean physically small monitor or physically small computer. I just noticed that the new Raspberry Pi (about the size of a credit card) is coming out with support for Windows 10 when it is released. I can't imagine finding a smaller Windows machine. 73, phil, K7PEH *Mac fanatic, but maybe I will experiment with the new RPi/Windows 10. Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: d12f6d65.e081%eda...@law.du.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: d12f6d65.e081%eda...@law.du.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Whatever the physical machine attributes you go for, from hard won personal experience, try to get the Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit OS. 32 not 64bit, why? Because the most useful stuff either doesn't run on Win64 (com0com, eterlogic's VSPE etc.) Or you need to open up security holes to make it run, like running as the Administrator or some other sillyness. Though a 32 bit OS will only be able to address up to 4G RAM, its a lot less fussy about much legacy (older but good) Ham software, even some realy old Win 3x and DOS stuff! (Try that on a 64 bit OS, and youre in a world of pain at best.) As for the machine itself. I do like the Acer One series of netbooks, Dell do similar. Toshiba are always good to find spares for. But whatever, max out the ammount of RAM it has, to the limit of what the hardware will support.If less than 4Gig, then youre best with a 32 bit OS anyway, Win64 uses up way too much RAM just sitting there doing nothing. Lastly, though I've grown up with Windows in one or another flavor over the years, when security patches for Win7 are finally dropped, I'll be moving over to Linux in one form or other in the shack. There is some seriously good HAM software out there for 'nix now. The Fldigi suite is just one fine example. 73. Dave G0WBX. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Hi, That is definitely NOT the case. I have yet to run into any application that will not on on a 64 bit version of Windows. There are 64 bit COM0COM signed versions, VSPE is available in 64 bit and every single Ham radio application I have used works on a 64 bit system. True some DOS stuff might not work, but going 32 bits limits you too much to 3G of memory and really prevents you from using your system to the fullest. If you do find some software that doesn't run, then you are better off dumping it and moving to more modern technology. Tom -Original Message- From: Dave B Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:02 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: d12f6d65.e081%eda...@law.du.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Whatever the physical machine attributes you go for, from hard won personal experience, try to get the Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit OS. 32 not 64bit, why? Because the most useful stuff either doesn't run on Win64 (com0com, eterlogic's VSPE etc.) Or you need to open up security holes to make it run, like running as the Administrator or some other sillyness. Though a 32 bit OS will only be able to address up to 4G RAM, its a lot less fussy about much legacy (older but good) Ham software, even some realy old Win 3x and DOS stuff! (Try that on a 64 bit OS, and youre in a world of pain at best.) As for the machine itself. I do like the Acer One series of netbooks, Dell do similar. Toshiba are always good to find spares for. But whatever, max out the ammount of RAM it has, to the limit of what the hardware will support.If less than 4Gig, then youre best with a 32 bit OS anyway, Win64 uses up way too much RAM just sitting there doing nothing. Lastly, though I've grown up with Windows in one or another flavor over the years, when security patches for Win7 are finally dropped, I'll be moving over to Linux in one form or other in the shack. There is some seriously good HAM software out there for 'nix now. The Fldigi suite is just one fine example. 73. Dave G0WBX. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Have not evaluated compatibility with ham software but plan to do so in the near future. The price is right ($35). http://www.adafruit.com/products/2358 Also windows 10 will be free for this device: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support I've had good success using Mac hardware for ham stuff, both using virtualbox and using bootcamp. If you have specific compatibility glitches that you've run into, you might want to post them to the list just in case any of us have found a solution. 73, Matt NQ6N On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: I have read a few answers to this post below but I am not sure what is meant by the request: So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Do you mean physically small monitor or physically small computer. I just noticed that the new Raspberry Pi (about the size of a credit card) is coming out with support for Windows 10 when it is released. I can't imagine finding a smaller Windows machine. 73, phil, K7PEH *Mac fanatic, but maybe I will experiment with the new RPi/Windows 10. Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: d12f6d65.e081%eda...@law.du.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to m...@nq6n.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Yes, but you have to pay for them. Not everyone has the spare funds, some of the costs for signed programs and code, can be quite expensive, for a ham on a pension. I do run Win64 here in the office, but there are many XP and earlier app's that do not play well on it, if at all due to direct IO needs. The XP emulator is not up to that sort of work, even when it can be kicked into life. NO Win16 apps will run in any way shape or form on Win64, period! (Some don't play well on Win7 32 bit either, but they can be coaxed and cajoled.) Running XP in a real VM (V'box) is OK, but again, you need a licenced copy to install. I do this sort of thing for a living, not just for my own needs, so I do know what can/can't be done. 73. Dave G0WBX. Hi, That is definitely NOT the case. I have yet to run into any application that will not on on a 64 bit version of Windows. There are 64 bit COM0COM signed versions, VSPE is available in 64 bit and every single Ham radio application I have used works on a 64 bit system. True some DOS stuff might not work, but going 32 bits limits you too much to 3G of memory and really prevents you from using your system to the fullest. If you do find some software that doesn't run, then you are better off dumping it and moving to more modern technology. Tom -Original Message- From: Dave B Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:02 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: d12f6d65.e081%eda...@law.du.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Whatever the physical machine attributes you go for, from hard won personal experience, try to get the Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit OS. 32 not 64bit, why? Because the most useful stuff either doesn't run on Win64 (com0com, eterlogic's VSPE etc.) Or you need to open up security holes to make it run, like running as the Administrator or some other sillyness. Though a 32 bit OS will only be able to address up to 4G RAM, its a lot less fussy about much legacy (older but good) Ham software, even some realy old Win 3x and DOS stuff! (Try that on a 64 bit OS, and youre in a world of pain at best.) As for the machine itself. I do like the Acer One series of netbooks, Dell do similar. Toshiba are always good to find spares for. But whatever, max out the ammount of RAM it has, to the limit of what the hardware will support.If less than 4Gig, then youre best with a 32 bit OS anyway, Win64 uses up way too much RAM just sitting there doing nothing. Lastly, though I've grown up with Windows in one or another flavor over the years, when security patches for Win7 are finally dropped, I'll be moving over to Linux in one form or other in the shack. There is some seriously good HAM software out there for 'nix now. The Fldigi suite is just one fine example. 73. Dave G0WBX. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
I agree with Windows 7 32 bit as the most compatible. But 32 bit is essentially obsolete. Most software that is still currently maintained and most hardware for which current drivers are available will run without issues on 64 bit Windows. As a Windows 10 Beta Tester I can also say that I'm experiencing Windows Fatigue. I'm tired of the constant churn in the U/I. XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10 all rearrange things just enough to be annoying and confusing. I'm now very much a Mac fan, although I find the prices of Apple products outrageous. While it is a highly usable U/I that is very consistent from release to release, the hardware remains a real issue. A decent Mac Mini is about $700. An equivalent NUC PC is half that. So, like Dave, I see linux as the future. My favorite is Linux Mint with the Cinnamon U/I. Perhaps the most popular linux distro on the planet. When I login to my linux box, it is always a pleasure to see a simple, non-intrusive, intuitive user interface, completely lacking in the heavy, complex and confusing baggage that Windows carries around. Mint Cinnamon and most other linux variations will take the average user a couple hours to get their arms around. Once you do however, you'll find yourself getting addicted to its beautiful looks and simple organization. Must linux distros will run circles around Windows on pretty basic hardware. It's also, surprisingly, extremely reliable, having been under non-stop development for over 20 years. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 3/19/15 10:02 AM, Dave B wrote: Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station Message-ID: d12f6d65.e081%eda...@law.du.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Whatever the physical machine attributes you go for, from hard won personal experience, try to get the Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit OS. 32 not 64bit, why? Because the most useful stuff either doesn't run on Win64 (com0com, eterlogic's VSPE etc.) Or you need to open up security holes to make it run, like running as the Administrator or some other sillyness. Though a 32 bit OS will only be able to address up to 4G RAM, its a lot less fussy about much legacy (older but good) Ham software, even some realy old Win 3x and DOS stuff! (Try that on a 64 bit OS, and youre in a world of pain at best.) As for the machine itself. I do like the Acer One series of netbooks, Dell do similar. Toshiba are always good to find spares for. But whatever, max out the ammount of RAM it has, to the limit of what the hardware will support.If less than 4Gig, then youre best with a 32 bit OS anyway, Win64 uses up way too much RAM just sitting there doing nothing. Lastly, though I've grown up with Windows in one or another flavor over the years, when security patches for Win7 are finally dropped, I'll be moving over to Linux in one form or other in the shack. There is some seriously good HAM software out there for 'nix now. The Fldigi suite is just one fine example. 73. Dave G0WBX. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k0...@aol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Machines based on Intel's NUC (New Unit of Computing) are quite small. This one is 4.5 x 1.47 x 4.26 http://www.logicsupply.com/computers/hardware-line/commercial/nc200b-30/ This is an i3, you can get other processors. 73 -- Lynn On 3/18/2015 4:59 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Sorry, I fat-fingered the Enter key before finishing my post. The small form factor I use is here: http://www.sapphiretech.com/embedded/product.aspx?pid=db-ft3b-lclid=1 -Chris K1AY On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Chris Hallinan challi...@gmail.com wrote: I have one of these, that I use for experimenting. It's four core and very high performance, including graphics. I think it comes with WIndows and Linux pre-installed, but you'd have to verify that. It's 4 x 4! On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Dauer, Edward eda...@law.du.edu wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to challi...@gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
I have one of these, that I use for experimenting. It's four core and very high performance, including graphics. I think it comes with WIndows and Linux pre-installed, but you'd have to verify that. It's 4 x 4! On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Dauer, Edward eda...@law.du.edu wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to challi...@gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Computer for K-line station
Ted, I'm sure you know this already, but if you have an Intel-based Mac, you already own the best Windows computer for the money. Buy a copy of whatever flavor of Windows you prefer and use Boot Camp to boot your Mac directly into Windows. It'll run Windows natively, and better than most Windows machines. I know that finding ham stuff for the Mac can be frustrating, but it can be done. I only run Macs in my shack exclusively, and the only reason I ever run Windows on them is when I have to program my HTs. My logging programs, etc. are all OSX programs and free ones at that. I don't venture too far into the esoteric operating-wise, though... Good luck! 73, Scott, N9AA On 3/18/15 7:59 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: OK; I give up. Trying to use a Mac at the station QTH is just too much trouble - too much of the good stuff doesn't come in the Apple flavor. Even the Dell monitor I just bought for the P3 SVGA doesn't come with drivers for Mac OS, which limits some of the tricks the monitor can play. So, advice please - what is the smallest (physically the smallest) Winows-running computer other than a laptop or an all-in-one that would serve well for all of the computer control, logging, and etc. goodies one might reasonably hang on a K-line station? Real estate on my desk is at a real premium, and knee-hole space is even less. (The Dell Inspirion 3000 small format is too big.) Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
