Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-22 Thread Kevin Rock
I know a guy in Minnesota with a ton of hard line on a very tall tower.  I  
think his 6m antenna is attached part way up the side at about 1000 feet.   
I think you may want to convince him to add an XG3 beacon on that hardline  
during his off hours.  Or raise the 6m loop up a bit and put it at 2000  
feet.  That should increase the radius the 0 dBm signal can cover.  What  
do you think Scott?
73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:27:46 -0700, Bill K9YEQ  wrote:

> I may put one up in here in WI when I get my  alternative other side of  
> the
> house coax line installed.  Might as well use the XG3 near 100% of the  
> time.
> Line loss could be a detrimental factor, but I do have.75" heliax to  
> help.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -Original Message-
> We need more beacons :)
>
> Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-22 Thread Kevin Rock
I think stacked and phased 20 element Yagi-Udas will get me the title at  
150 miles!!  How much aluminum can one put into the sky?
Kevin.  KD5ONS



On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:40:45 -0700, Bill K9YEQ  wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> You have now thrown the gauntlet!
>
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -Original Message-
>
>
> In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3  
> beacon
> :)
>
> The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:
>
>> per Google Earth,  I am 18.42 miles away..
>>
>> this is not Kansas.seattle is a very hilly city.  and from Goggle
>> earth.
>> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
>> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east
>> from my QTH and in the direction of the beacon...
>> Ed K7WIA
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-22 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Wayne,

You have now thrown the gauntlet!


73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-


In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3 beacon
:)

The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> per Google Earth,  I am 18.42 miles away..
>
> this is not Kansas.seattle is a very hilly city.  and from Goggle 
> earth.
> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east 
> from my QTH and in the direction of the beacon...
> Ed K7WIA
>

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-22 Thread Bill K9YEQ
I may put one up in here in WI when I get my  alternative other side of the
house coax line installed.  Might as well use the XG3 near 100% of the time.
Line loss could be a detrimental factor, but I do have.75" heliax to help.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
We need more beacons :)

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:51 PM, n...@n5ge.com wrote:

>
> I'm watching this with great interest and anticipation from EM12jq!
>
> 73,
> Tom
>
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> ARRL Lifetime Member
> QCWA Lifetime Member
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips 
> wrote:
>
>> After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3 running 
>> a 0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl, 
>> CN87xo, just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 
>> 50.025MHz, my
>> K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to 
>> send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10 
>> seconds of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>>
>> One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call 
>> otherwise the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just 
>> in case.
>>
>> 73, Doug W7RDP

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-22 Thread Bill W4ZV

wayne burdick wrote:
> 
> In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3  
> beacon :)
> 
> The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.
> 
> Wayne
> 

I hope you realize that 1000 microwatts (1 mW or 0 dBm) is very QRO in the
world of weak signal beacons.  Try 27 microwatts at a distance of 546.8
miles on 80 meters.  ;-)

http://www.eham.net/articles/10078

When lightning season is over (next fall), I'll hook up my XG3 to my 3-stack
on 10 meters (22 dBi gain) and see if you can hear me in W6 land.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Jessie Oberreuter

  Alas, no copy from CN87uo, just north of the U-District :(.  I have 
excellent shots S and W, and have a pretty good shot E, but not 
line-of-site.


On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3
> beacon :)
>
> The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:
>
>> per Google Earth,  I am 18.42 miles away..
>>
>> this is not Kansas.seattle is a very hilly city.  and from
>> Goggle earth.
>> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
>> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east
>> from my
>> QTH and in the direction of the beacon...
>> Ed K7WIA
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Brian Moran
I can hear it on my 160m Vertical -- here's the audio: 
https://ws.onehub.com/folders/2psxfc3l
I have the preamp enabled. 


PS. I'm probably about 4.2 miles from Doug in CN97.

Brian N9ADG



From: Doug Phillips 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:50 PM
Subject: [Elecraft]  XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

OK guys, my K3/10 with the 5ppm TXCO reads the XG3 freq as 50.02496, 
very close to 50.025.  I have the antenna pointed south, I am at 500' 
asl here 21 miles east of Seattle.  I will have to dig into EMFRD to 
find the 10dB 6M amp, that I need to build for my KK7B 6M signal source 
anyway ;-)

I think the point to this exercise is to find useful employment for all 
those XG3s out there that are otherwise unemployed.  Lets get more 
beacons on the air.

I get e-mail from the reflector via digest so if you want a real time 
response from me, e-mail me direct.

73, Doug W7RDP
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Phil Hystad
According to QRZ, Beacon Doug, W7RDB, is on the Sammamish Plateau and not in 
Seattle.  Seattle is due west of Doug unless his repeater is at some other 
location.  Line of sight distance between my QTH and W7RDP is about 11.5 miles. 
 Also, I am on a hill top and depending on where Doug is located we could have 
close to line-of-sight path.  I don't have a gain antenna, just a 300 foot 
delta loop that I can tune to 6 meters.

Oh, I have not heard his beacon, started listening at about 7:45 PM and it is 
now 8:10 PM.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical  
> Seattlian terrain) on the list?
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
> 
>> I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and  
>> he is using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the  
>> outskirts of Seattle?
>>  Kevin.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:00 -0700, Wayne Burdick  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly  
>>> close stations unless there's a serious band opening.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Kevin,
 
 Trust that all is well with you.
 
 It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's  
 W7RDP/B Moxon
 and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon  
 because
 of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one  
 of my
 wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe  
 (DLs, Is
 and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle  
 of arrival
 of the Eu signals.
 
 73,
 Geoff
 GM4ESD
 
 
 Kevin Rock
 On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote
 
> I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter  
> horizontal loop
> and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
> Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Doug Phillips
OK guys, my K3/10 with the 5ppm TXCO reads the XG3 freq as 50.02496, 
very close to 50.025.  I have the antenna pointed south, I am at 500' 
asl here 21 miles east of Seattle.  I will have to dig into EMFRD to 
find the 10dB 6M amp, that I need to build for my KK7B 6M signal source 
anyway ;-)

I think the point to this exercise is to find useful employment for all 
those XG3s out there that are otherwise unemployed.  Lets get more 
beacons on the air.

I get e-mail from the reflector via digest so if you want a real time 
response from me, e-mail me direct.

73, Doug W7RDP
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3  
beacon :)

The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> per Google Earth,  I am 18.42 miles away..
>
> this is not Kansas.seattle is a very hilly city.  and from  
> Goggle earth.
> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east  
> from my
> QTH and in the direction of the beacon...
> Ed K7WIA
>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
I'll pass this onto the engineer who wrote the XG3 firmware (Paul  
Saffren). If we get enough demand we could add this.

Thanks,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> After noting the mention of using WSJT to detect the beacon (and  
> since you
> obviously would like to "encourage" the use of XG3s in beacon  
> service) it
> occurred to me: what about QRSS mode? Assuming the hardware would  
> handle the
> long on/TX times associated with QRSS, it seems to me that all that  
> would be
> needed would be a firmware update to allow the slower QRSS CW speed.  
> (A
> number of QRPers I know are experimenting with QRSS, mostly on 30M,  
> and I
> suspect expanding the idea to other bands (e.g. 6M) might be of  
> interest to
> some of them.)
>
> TNX/73, Al
>
> On Tue June 21 2011 8:13:31 pm Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> How far are you from W7RDP?
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:10 PM, K7WIA wrote:
>>> I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the
>>> speaker,
>>> The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576.  and I should
>>> be close,
>>> calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV
>>>
>>> I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have
>>> been for
>>> the last 15 minutes.
>>>
>>> my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp..  just using the one in the K3..
>>>
>>> Ed  K7WIA
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread K7WIA
per Google Earth,  I am 18.42 miles away..

this is not Kansas.seattle is a very hilly city.  and from Goggle earth.
the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east from my
QTH and in the direction of the beacon...
Ed K7WIA

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Al Gulseth
Wayne,

After noting the mention of using WSJT to detect the beacon (and since you 
obviously would like to "encourage" the use of XG3s in beacon service) it 
occurred to me: what about QRSS mode? Assuming the hardware would handle the 
long on/TX times associated with QRSS, it seems to me that all that would be 
needed would be a firmware update to allow the slower QRSS CW speed. (A 
number of QRPers I know are experimenting with QRSS, mostly on 30M, and I 
suspect expanding the idea to other bands (e.g. 6M) might be of interest to 
some of them.)

TNX/73, Al

On Tue June 21 2011 8:13:31 pm Wayne Burdick wrote:
> How far are you from W7RDP?
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:10 PM, K7WIA wrote:
> > I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the
> > speaker,
> > The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576.  and I should
> > be close,
> > calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV
> >
> > I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have
> > been for
> > the last 15 minutes.
> >
> > my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp..  just using the one in the K3..
> >
> > Ed  K7WIA
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
How far are you from W7RDP?

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:10 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the  
> speaker,
> The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576.  and I should  
> be close,
> calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV
>
> I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have  
> been for
> the last 15 minutes.
>
> my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp..  just using the one in the K3..
>
> Ed  K7WIA
>
> --
> View this message in context: 
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread K7WIA
I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the speaker, 
The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576.  and I should be close,
calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV

I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have been for
the last 15 minutes.

my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp..  just using the one in the K3..

Ed  K7WIA

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread K7WIA
I will post this on the PNWVHF reflector and see if we can get some east side
guys to take a check.
I would like to know just what the real Freq of the beacon is, I"ll keep a
eye out for it using spectran...

Ed   K7WIA   CN87TR

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Jack Chomley
Make a 100 milliwatt model XG3 :-)

73,

Jack VK4JRC

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On 22/06/2011, at 9:57 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> We need more beacons :)
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:51 PM, n...@n5ge.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm watching this with great interest and anticipation from EM12jq!
>> 
>> 73,
>> Tom
>> 
>> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
>> ARRL Lifetime Member
>> QCWA Lifetime Member
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips   
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3  
>>> running a
>>> 0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl,  
>>> CN87xo,
>>> just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 50.025MHz, my
>>> K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to
>>> send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10  
>>> seconds
>>> of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>>> 
>>> One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call  
>>> otherwise
>>> the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just in case.
>>> 
>>> 73, Doug W7RDP
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread n5ge

Next year in the early spring or summer KC5DRE and I will be going through that
part of the world after attending a family reunion at Tahoe.  Maybe we will hear
it on our way up to Washington State

73,
Tom
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:47:01 -0700, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

>Perhaps someone with a mobile 6-m rig will drive by.
>
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
We need more beacons :)

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:51 PM, n...@n5ge.com wrote:

>
> I'm watching this with great interest and anticipation from EM12jq!
>
> 73,
> Tom
>
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> ARRL Lifetime Member
> QCWA Lifetime Member
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips   
> wrote:
>
>> After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3  
>> running a
>> 0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl,  
>> CN87xo,
>> just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 50.025MHz, my
>> K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to
>> send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10  
>> seconds
>> of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>>
>> One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call  
>> otherwise
>> the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just in case.
>>
>> 73, Doug W7RDP
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread n5ge

I'm watching this with great interest and anticipation from EM12jq!

73,
Tom

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips  wrote:

>After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3 running a 
>0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl, CN87xo, 
>just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 50.025MHz, my 
>K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to 
>send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10 seconds 
>of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>
>One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call otherwise 
>the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just in case.
>
>73, Doug W7RDP
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Kevin Rock
Dense stands of trees no longer exist on my mountain.  Many, many square  
miles of timber have been clearcut in the last ten years.  Now I can see  
for a very long way :)
Kevin.



On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:37:27 -0700, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy  
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> Not an expert Wayne, but earned my $ calculating path loss at HF up to
> microwave during point-to-pont, mobile and relay systems design "back  
> then"
> using the classic 4/3 Earth Radius approach at VHF-Microwave.  
> Unfortunately
> my relevant data is packed, but I understand that the path between Kevin  
> and
> Doug is about 150 miles. So in spite of the elevation of Kevin's QTH, at  
> 50
> MHz the path would not appear to be true line of sight but Fresnel Zone
> obstructed, which together with any loss added by local obstructions  
> such as
> dense tree growth and buildings could put the beacon's signal below  
> Kevin's
> noise floor.
>
> 73,
> Geoff
> GM4ESD
>
>
> On June 21, 2011 at 23:40 Z, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>> Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical
>> Seattlian terrain) on the list?
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
>>
>>> I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and
>>> he is using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the
>>> outskirts of Seattle?
>>>   Kevin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:00 -0700, Wayne Burdick
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly
 close stations unless there's a serious band opening.

 Wayne
 N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
Perhaps someone with a mobile 6-m rig will drive by.

Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:38 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> I am 18.42 miles NW of the beacon, per Google Earth.
> no sig detected yet...but as night falls and band noise drops we  
> might have
> a chance.
> my location is north Seattle between I5 & Hwy99 on 145th
> I am at 475 ft asl...7 el LFA at 55ft..K3 of course..
>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread K7WIA
I am 18.42 miles NW of the beacon, per Google Earth.  
 no sig detected yet...but as night falls and band noise drops we might have
a chance.
my location is north Seattle between I5 & Hwy99 on 145th
I am at 475 ft asl...7 el LFA at 55ft..K3 of course..

Ed   K7WIA CN87TR

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Not an expert Wayne, but earned my $ calculating path loss at HF up to 
microwave during point-to-pont, mobile and relay systems design "back then" 
using the classic 4/3 Earth Radius approach at VHF-Microwave. Unfortunately 
my relevant data is packed, but I understand that the path between Kevin and 
Doug is about 150 miles. So in spite of the elevation of Kevin's QTH, at 50 
MHz the path would not appear to be true line of sight but Fresnel Zone 
obstructed, which together with any loss added by local obstructions such as 
dense tree growth and buildings could put the beacon's signal below Kevin's 
noise floor.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


On June 21, 2011 at 23:40 Z, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical
> Seattlian terrain) on the list?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
>
>> I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and
>> he is using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the
>> outskirts of Seattle?
>>   Kevin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:00 -0700, Wayne Burdick
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly
>>> close stations unless there's a serious band opening.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Kevin Rock
I am at one half the required altitude.  Guess I'll wait for reports of Es  
and then try again.  Now that the frequency is in memory and the loop is  
reattached things will go more quickly.
Kevin.  KD5ONS




On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:01:40 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:

> No expert here, but a little scratch-pad geometry suggests that, assuming
> the Seattle station is at sea level (which Seattle is typically), Kevin's
> mountain would have to be at least 3500 feet ASL for just line of sight.
> Probably need to add 20% to that to clear the Fresnel zone.
>
> One the coast here I'm definitely not line of sight and would need to
> experience a great band opening.
>
> My personal best QRP record is an AM QSO from near Los Angeles to Denver
> Colorado running about 100 mW on an Army AN/PRC6 Korean War era hand-held
> with a 1/4 wave flex antenna sticking out of the top.
>
> But that was during the huge sunspot event in the late 1950's.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -Original Message-
> Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical
> Seattlian terrain) on the list?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
>
>> I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and
>> he is using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the
>> outskirts of Seattle?
>>   Kevin.
>


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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
No expert here, but a little scratch-pad geometry suggests that, assuming
the Seattle station is at sea level (which Seattle is typically), Kevin's
mountain would have to be at least 3500 feet ASL for just line of sight.
Probably need to add 20% to that to clear the Fresnel zone. 

One the coast here I'm definitely not line of sight and would need to
experience a great band opening. 

My personal best QRP record is an AM QSO from near Los Angeles to Denver
Colorado running about 100 mW on an Army AN/PRC6 Korean War era hand-held
with a 1/4 wave flex antenna sticking out of the top.

But that was during the huge sunspot event in the late 1950's. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical  
Seattlian terrain) on the list?

Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:

> I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and  
> he is using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the  
> outskirts of Seattle?
>   Kevin.

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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Hello Geoff! 

Both Kevin and I are roughly south of him - Kevin about 150 mi and I'm about
300 mi. Couldn't help but sneak away from the desk and listen a bit. Nothing
heard here on my 6 wave north/south long wire. 

Hope all is well in Scotland. Have fun in Luxembourg!

Ron AC7AC

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Hello Kevin,

Trust that all is well with you.

It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's W7RDP/B Moxon 
and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon because 
of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one of my 
wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe (DLs, Is 
and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle of arrival

of the Eu signals.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Kevin Rock
On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote

>I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter horizontal loop
> and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
>Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq



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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical  
Seattlian terrain) on the list?

Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:

> I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and  
> he is using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the  
> outskirts of Seattle?
>   Kevin.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:00 -0700, Wayne Burdick  
>  wrote:
>
>> Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly  
>> close stations unless there's a serious band opening.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Kevin,
>>>
>>> Trust that all is well with you.
>>>
>>> It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's  
>>> W7RDP/B Moxon
>>> and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon  
>>> because
>>> of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one  
>>> of my
>>> wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe  
>>> (DLs, Is
>>> and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle  
>>> of arrival
>>> of the Eu signals.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Geoff
>>> GM4ESD
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Rock
>>> On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote
>>>
 I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter  
 horizontal loop
 and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
  Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Kevin Rock
I should be line of sight to Seattle.  I know I am south of it and he is  
using a gain antenna.  Do you think he will reach beyond the outskirts of  
Seattle?
Kevin.




On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:00 -0700, Wayne Burdick   
wrote:

> Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly close  
> stations unless there's a serious band opening.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Hello Kevin,
>>
>> Trust that all is well with you.
>>
>> It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's W7RDP/B  
>> Moxon
>> and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon  
>> because
>> of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one of my
>> wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe (DLs,  
>> Is
>> and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle of  
>> arrival
>> of the Eu signals.
>>
>> 73,
>> Geoff
>> GM4ESD
>>
>>
>> Kevin Rock
>> On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote
>>
>>> I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter horizontal loop
>>> and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
>>>   Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly  
close stations unless there's a serious band opening.

Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

> Hello Kevin,
>
> Trust that all is well with you.
>
> It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's W7RDP/ 
> B Moxon
> and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon  
> because
> of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one  
> of my
> wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe  
> (DLs, Is
> and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle of  
> arrival
> of the Eu signals.
>
> 73,
> Geoff
> GM4ESD
>
>
> Kevin Rock
> On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote
>
>> I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter horizontal  
>> loop
>> and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
>>   Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hello Kevin,

Trust that all is well with you.

It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's W7RDP/B Moxon 
and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon because 
of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one of my 
wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe (DLs, Is 
and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle of arrival 
of the Eu signals.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Kevin Rock
On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote

>I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter horizontal loop
> and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
>Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq



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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Kevin Rock
I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter horizontal loop  
and on my G5RV.  No signals at all except for one birdie.
Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq



On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips  wrote:

> After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3 running a
> 0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl, CN87xo,
> just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 50.025MHz, my
> K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to
> send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10 seconds
> of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>
> One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call otherwise
> the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just in case.
>
> 73, Doug W7RDP
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Re: [Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Kevin Rock
Nothing heard yet.  How far below 50.025 does your K3 hear it?
Kevin.  KD5ONS  CN85jq



On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips  wrote:

> After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3 running a
> 0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl, CN87xo,
> just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 50.025MHz, my
> K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to
> send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10 seconds
> of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>
> One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call otherwise
> the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just in case.
>
> 73, Doug W7RDP
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[Elecraft] XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

2011-06-21 Thread Doug Phillips
After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3 running a 
0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl, CN87xo, 
just east of Seattle.  The frequency set on the XG3 is 50.025MHz, my 
K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much.  The XG3 is set to 
send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10 seconds 
of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.

One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call otherwise 
the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just in case.

73, Doug W7RDP
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