Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-26 Thread Tom Hammond

Hi Dave:


I tried COM1 and it works okay. COM4 works with K3 nd several other
programs okay including WL and MMTTY, N1MM, N3FJP but not K3 Utility at
this time.

COM4 shows up in device manager but not in K3 Utility PullDown Menu,
Doesn't even get to the driver situation..


Try having Utility check for available COM ports.

I'm using COM1 and COM4 on my WinXP Laptop with no problems at all.

COM1 is a 'real' serial port, while COM4 is a USB>serial adapter which
declared itself COM4.  This MAY be the reason COM4 works... not certain though.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

> http://www.easysync.co.uk/
> 
> They are based out of the UK but they have a US office in 
> Portland Oregon.  I'm not affiliated with them in any way 
> other than the fact that they are just up the road from me a 
> ways and they are a company that we've been looking into 
> using their devices in our products.  I'm nothing more than a 
> customer to them.

The same adapters shown by easysync are available from ByteRunner: 
http://www.byterunner.com/byterunner/new_frontpage=usbserialadapters 
and have been for several years. 



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:57 AM
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4
> 
> 
> If anyone else is interested in this EasySync LTD is a 
> company that makes a lot of different single and multi port 
> USB to RS232/UART adapters.  Many of them also support other 
> protocols like RS485 and what not.
> 
> Anyway EasySync LTD is a sister company of FTDI (the company 
> that makes some of the best UART to USB ICs).  They also are 
> very free and open in their support of operating systems.  I 
> believe they are the only one that is actually certified to 
> run on 2008 server at the moment.  That tells you how 
> progressive and proactive they are with their drivers.
> 
> Anyway if there was ever a company dedicated to putting out 
> the best in USB to RS232 devices these are the guys and their 
> stuff is quite reasonably priced for what it is.  I really 
> like their industrial adapters as they are shielded and built 
> like tanks.
> 
> http://www.easysync.co.uk/
> 
> They are based out of the UK but they have a US office in 
> Portland Oregon.  I'm not affiliated with them in any way 
> other than the fact that they are just up the road from me a 
> ways and they are a company that we've been looking into 
> using their devices in our products.  I'm nothing more than a 
> customer to them.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Tom Childers, N5GE 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:31:48 -0700, "Dave W7DPW" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility 
> and have 
> >>it installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 
> converter on 
> >>it shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the 
> >>selection menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 
> >>appear on the K3 Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other 
> >>applications.
> >>
> >>I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that 
> application will 
> >>communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 
> RS-232 set to 
> >>9600...
> >>
> >>Any suggestions ?
> >>
> >>My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21
> >>
> >>Dave W7DPW
> >>
> > [snip]
> >
> > I got tired of having to rename all of the RS232/USB 
> adapters when the 
> > machine was shut down and bought board that has 8 serial ports on 
> > cables.  Very easy to install and now no changing port numbers when 
> > the machine is shut down.
> >
> > Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq
> >
> > "Those who would give up
> > Essential Liberty to
> > purchase a little Temporary
> > Safety deserve neither
> > Liberty nor Safety"
> >
> > An excerpt from a letter
> > written in 1755 from the
> > Assembly to the Governor
> > of Pennsylvania.
> >
> > Support the entire Constitution, not
> > just the parts you like.
> >
> > http://www.n5ge.com
> > http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-26 Thread Dick Dievendorff
This is the same technique the .Net framework uses to inventory COM ports.  

It works fine in Windows 98 SE, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 2003, and
Windows Vista.  It does require COM device drivers to advertise themselves
appropriately. Windows does this for "real" serial ports.  The Prolific
device driver installer does this for the KUSB and other Prolific chipset
adapters. The Keyspan device driver does this. The Radio Shack USB to Serial
Adapter does this. 

Perhaps some USB to Serial Adapter device driver installers don't do a
complete install.  That appears to be the case here.

Elecraft wishes to support as broad a range of Windows versions as is
practical. Currently that is Windows 98 SE and above.  There are a fair
number of Windows 98 SE "shack computers" out there.

I don't have any code in the K3 Utility that says "if it's Windows version
x, then do this, otherwise do that".  Instead, I use methods that are common
to all of these OS levels.

Requiring Windows XP SP2 or above is a non-starter.  We just can't do that. 

Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
From: Darwin, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:14 AM
To: Dick Dievendorff; Dave W7DPW; k3
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

>From the registry?  What about in Windows XP?  The serial object that is
fairly new in XP (part of SP2 I believe) has a method you can call to
get a list of ports.  Does this object & method simply do the same
RegKey lookup that the K3 Utility is doing?  I'm thinking the registry
is on it's way out but I suppose for backward compatibility reasons,
you'd need to stick with it for a while, ea?

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:39 PM
To: 'Dave W7DPW'; 'k3'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry.  See

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM

When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to
make this registry entry.  That's what we're looking for.


Dick, K6KR





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM
To: k3
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.

I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
9600...

Any suggestions ?

My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21

Dave W7DPW




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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-26 Thread Darwin, Keith
>From the registry?  What about in Windows XP?  The serial object that is
fairly new in XP (part of SP2 I believe) has a method you can call to
get a list of ports.  Does this object & method simply do the same
RegKey lookup that the K3 Utility is doing?  I'm thinking the registry
is on it's way out but I suppose for backward compatibility reasons,
you'd need to stick with it for a while, ea?

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:39 PM
To: 'Dave W7DPW'; 'k3'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry.  See

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM

When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to
make this registry entry.  That's what we're looking for.


Dick, K6KR





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM
To: k3
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.

I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
9600...

Any suggestions ?

My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21

Dave W7DPW




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-26 Thread Brett Howard
If anyone else is interested in this EasySync LTD is a company that
makes a lot of different single and multi port USB to RS232/UART
adapters.  Many of them also support other protocols like RS485 and
what not.

Anyway EasySync LTD is a sister company of FTDI (the company that
makes some of the best UART to USB ICs).  They also are very free and
open in their support of operating systems.  I believe they are the
only one that is actually certified to run on 2008 server at the
moment.  That tells you how progressive and proactive they are with
their drivers.

Anyway if there was ever a company dedicated to putting out the best
in USB to RS232 devices these are the guys and their stuff is quite
reasonably priced for what it is.  I really like their industrial
adapters as they are shielded and built like tanks.

http://www.easysync.co.uk/

They are based out of the UK but they have a US office in Portland
Oregon.  I'm not affiliated with them in any way other than the fact
that they are just up the road from me a ways and they are a company
that we've been looking into using their devices in our products.  I'm
nothing more than a customer to them.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Tom Childers, N5GE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:31:48 -0700, "Dave W7DPW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
>>installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
>>shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
>>menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
>>Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.
>>
>>I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
>>communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
>>9600...
>>
>>Any suggestions ?
>>
>>My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21
>>
>>Dave W7DPW
>>
> [snip]
>
> I got tired of having to rename all of the RS232/USB adapters when the machine
> was shut down and bought board that has 8 serial ports on cables.  Very easy 
> to
> install and now no changing port numbers when the machine is shut down.
>
> Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq
>
> "Those who would give up
> Essential Liberty to
> purchase a little Temporary
> Safety deserve neither
> Liberty nor Safety"
>
> An excerpt from a letter
> written in 1755 from the
> Assembly to the Governor
> of Pennsylvania.
>
> Support the entire Constitution, not
> just the parts you like.
>
> http://www.n5ge.com
> http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-25 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:31:48 -0700, "Dave W7DPW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
>installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
>shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
>menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
>Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.
>
>I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
>communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
>9600...
>
>Any suggestions ?
>
>My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21
>
>Dave W7DPW
>
[snip]

I got tired of having to rename all of the RS232/USB adapters when the machine
was shut down and bought board that has 8 serial ports on cables.  Very easy to
install and now no changing port numbers when the machine is shut down.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

"Those who would give up 
Essential Liberty to 
purchase a little Temporary 
Safety deserve neither 
Liberty nor Safety" 

An excerpt from a letter 
written in 1755 from the 
Assembly to the Governor 
of Pennsylvania.

Support the entire Constitution, not 
just the parts you like.

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-25 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I test with a Win98 machine, two Windows XP SP3 machines, and a Windows
Vista SP1 machine.

Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Faunt N6TQS
+1-510-655-8604
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

Since I was messing with computers, and I had everything to hand, I
just tried installing the Prolific drivers, from their website, on a
W98 machine that I'm configuring, and then the K3 download program.
It all worked as advertised, no problem, so it does work, at least
sometimes.

Just think, if the K3 had nothing but the USB interface how difficult
this would be.  At least, you could use a real serial port, if
necessary.


73, doug

   From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:39:19 -0700
   Content-language: en-us

   The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry.  See

   HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM

   When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to
   make this registry entry.  That's what we're looking for.

   Dick, K6KR





   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW
   Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM
   To: k3
   Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

   I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
   installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
   shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
   menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
   Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.

   I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
   communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
   9600...

   Any suggestions ?

   My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21

   Dave W7DPW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-25 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Since I was messing with computers, and I had everything to hand, I
just tried installing the Prolific drivers, from their website, on a
W98 machine that I'm configuring, and then the K3 download program.
It all worked as advertised, no problem, so it does work, at least
sometimes.

Just think, if the K3 had nothing but the USB interface how difficult
this would be.  At least, you could use a real serial port, if
necessary.


73, doug

   From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:39:19 -0700
   Content-language: en-us

   The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry.  See

   HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM

   When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to
   make this registry entry.  That's what we're looking for.

   Dick, K6KR





   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW
   Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM
   To: k3
   Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

   I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
   installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
   shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
   menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
   Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.

   I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
   communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
   9600...

   Any suggestions ?

   My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21

   Dave W7DPW
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-25 Thread Dick Dievendorff
The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry.  See

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM

When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to
make this registry entry.  That's what we're looking for.

Dick, K6KR





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM
To: k3
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.

I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
9600...

Any suggestions ?

My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21

Dave W7DPW




David J Drew  --  W7DPW
Over 50 Years with Same Call
Amateur Extra Since 1970
Continuous ARRL Member Since October 1957
ARRL Life Member October 1969
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-25 Thread Dave W7DPW
Don et al,

I tried COM1 and it works okay. COM4 works with K3 nd several other
programs okay including WL and MMTTY, N1MM, N3FJP but not K3 Utility at
this time.

COM4 shows up in device manager but not in K3 Utility PullDown Menu,
Doesn't even get to the driver situation..

Thanks for your suggestion.

Dave W7DPW


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- Original Message - 
From: "Don Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dave W7DPW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "k3" 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4


> Dave,
>
> That Win98SE surely has real serial ports.  I strongly suggest that
you
> use one of the real serial ports.  IIRC correctly (it has been years),
> but the USB support in Win98SE was flaky at best - the situation did
not
> get much better until Win2k, and by then Win98 was fading into the
> background - even the 'SE' version of Win98 was a patch at best, but
the
> real serial ports worked just fine.  You can unplug one of your
existing
> serial connections long enough to load the new firmware on your K3 and
> then revert to the normal use of that port.
>
> If you really want to use the USB to serial adapter, I suggest you
> upgrade to Win2K or later.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Dave W7DPW wrote:
> > I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have
it
> > installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
> > shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the
selection
> > menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on
the K3
> > Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.
> >
> > I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application
will
> > communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set
to
> > 9600...

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4

2008-08-25 Thread Don Wilhelm

Dave,

That Win98SE surely has real serial ports.  I strongly suggest that you 
use one of the real serial ports.  IIRC correctly (it has been years), 
but the USB support in Win98SE was flaky at best - the situation did not 
get much better until Win2k, and by then Win98 was fading into the 
background - even the 'SE' version of Win98 was a patch at best, but the 
real serial ports worked just fine.  You can unplug one of your existing 
serial connections long enough to load the new firmware on your K3 and 
then revert to the normal use of that port.


If you really want to use the USB to serial adapter, I suggest you 
upgrade to Win2K or later.


73,
Don W3FPR

Dave W7DPW wrote:

I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it
installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it
shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection
menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3
Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications.

I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will
communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to
9600...

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