Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
Even less chance, then, that any software will support the K3's in-DSP CW and data decoding. :( The tragedy is that it would not be difficult to add this support. Much easier than writing a dedicated K3 control program will full-blown logging and contest capabilities! Simon has said that HRD will support it. Unfortunately I have never managed to get to grips with that program's user interface, and I'm not sure (as a non-serious contester) whether HRD counts as a "contest logger" anyway. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf On 10/15/07, Joe Subich, W4TV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know it's heresy here, but those radios collectively represent a > very small portion of the user base for any contest logger. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
> There's no reason that contest logging programs could not > have used the direct CW feature of the K2. This was probably > just because the developers didn't see it as important -- there > were only a small number of K2's compared to radios of other > types, and there was already a way to key it, although not so > elegant. > > However, if I am not mistaken, many, many contesters and DXpeditions > will be using K3's, enough to make an impression on the developers. At least one developer of contest software has stated that he will not waste the effort to implement CW via the KY command since it is not generally supported. The KY command works only with the TS-2000, TS-870, TS-570, TS-480, SDR-1000, FLEX-5000, K2 and now K3. I know it's heresy here, but those radios collectively represent a very small portion of the user base for any contest logger. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
The K3 RS232 port is just that ... RS232. So, no level-shifting transistor (or "keying transistor") is needed. Any software that sends CW via the serial port on the PC can key the K3 directly. That's the beauty of the K3 design ... well, one of hundreds of beautiful things about the K3. Via the configuration menu, either RTS or DTR can be chosen for CW keying, in addition to PTT. On that same serial port, the RxD and TxD lines are used for radio control. Just use a standard generic serial cable, nothing else. 73, Ed - W0YK > Ed - my understanding is that N1MM does NOT support the "KY" > command set. I too use N1MM to key through the serial port > but use a simple single transistor switch to do it. > > The "KY" command set would allow one to key WITHOUT any > additional "keying" > circuit. See page 309 of the N1MM Logger manual released on > 7-10-2007 - under Supported Radios - Section 50.3 Elecraft > for a reference. 73 -- Don N4HH > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question > > > > > >I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the > >serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was > possible on the > >K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this. > > > > I was using this feature over the weekend to send CW using > the serial cable line. I was using N1MM logger with my K3. > > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
> Thanks Ed, I was actually only joking and I didn't think this > would be possible -- excellent stuff Almost anything is possible with Wayne as chief engineer and firmware at his disposal. Be careful what you ask for because you'll probably get it. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
Yes - thanks for jogging my memory Julian - it's been a long time since I tried it but you are absolutely correct - I could enter the KY commands in MixW with fixed messages and it worked fine - but - (ah, the proverbial "but") was limited to "canned" messages. Never could figure out if there was a way to insert a variable within the text. 73 -- Don N4HH I use MixW and I was not aware that it directly supported K2 KY keying. The macros do have support for direct entry of CAT commands, and you can use that facility to send raw KY commands to the K2. Perhaps that is what you meant. It would allow the facility to be used to send fixed text, just like keyer memories, but you cannot insert variables from the log like the other station's call or an incremented serial number, nor is it usable to send text typed in real time. Because you are limited by the K2 protocol to how many characters you can send at a time, and must poll the buffer until it is ready before you can send more, you can't use this method to send very long texts. On the other hand, perhaps they have added support in a recent update and I wasn't aware of it? -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
I use MixW and I was not aware that it directly supported K2 KY keying. The macros do have support for direct entry of CAT commands, and you can use that facility to send raw KY commands to the K2. Perhaps that is what you meant. It would allow the facility to be used to send fixed text, just like keyer memories, but you cannot insert variables from the log like the other station's call or an incremented serial number, nor is it usable to send text typed in real time. Because you are limited by the K2 protocol to how many characters you can send at a time, and must poll the buffer until it is ready before you can send more, you can't use this method to send very long texts. On the other hand, perhaps they have added support in a recent update and I wasn't aware of it? -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf On 10/15/07, Don Nesbitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Dave - the only software that I found that directly supported this in the > K2 was the MixW (http://www.mixw.net/) program. As I recall, it directly > supported the "KY" (could have that nomenclature wrong) commands for keying. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
Thanks Ed, I was actually only joking and I didn't think this would be possible -- excellent stuff Cheers David -Original Message- From: Ed Muns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 October 2007 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question > One less cable between the radio and PC is always good news, > now if you could only assign FSK keying to the serial cable I > could forget all about the 15 pin plug on the back of the K3.. This is on the K3 firmware task list. Just a small matter of firmware, but there are other higher priority features Wayne is working on. 73, Ed - W0YK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.11/1071 - Release Date: 15/10/2007 6:48 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.11/1071 - Release Date: 15/10/2007 6:48 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
Ed - my understanding is that N1MM does NOT support the "KY" command set. I too use N1MM to key through the serial port but use a simple single transistor switch to do it. The "KY" command set would allow one to key WITHOUT any additional "keying" circuit. See page 309 of the N1MM Logger manual released on 7-10-2007 - under Supported Radios - Section 50.3 Elecraft for a reference. 73 -- Don N4HH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question > >I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the >serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on >the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this. I was using this feature over the weekend to send CW using the serial cable line. I was using N1MM logger with my K3. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
Hi Dave - the only software that I found that directly supported this in the K2 was the MixW (http://www.mixw.net/) program. As I recall, it directly supported the "KY" (could have that nomenclature wrong) commands for keying. I did use it for a while and was able to put the right code into the function buttons in the program to have it work - and - it worked quite well! Nice to not have to deal with extra cables! I also recall that after a lot of inquiries into other software possibilities, most developers didn't want to support that command set as it presented lots of issues with internal program timing and interrupting sequences within various routines (I'm sure that I've misstated that and someone in the programming arena will correct me!) Maybe there will be some further development in this area. It would be nice! 73 es gud dxing -- Don N4HH I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this. Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this time so standard logging and contest programs will be able to utilise this ?? Hope this makes sense!! Cheers David, Vk2NU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
At 10/15/2007 01:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this. Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this time so standard logging and contest programs will be able to utilise this ?? Hope this makes sense!! I was using this feature over the weekend to send CW using the serial cable line. I was using N1MM logger with my K3. Cheers David, Vk2NU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
> One less cable between the radio and PC is always good news, > now if you could only assign FSK keying to the serial cable I > could forget all about the 15 pin plug on the back of the K3.. This is on the K3 firmware task list. Just a small matter of firmware, but there are other higher priority features Wayne is working on. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
Thanks Ed and Vic for quick replies.. I was always surprised the function wasn't widely supported by contesting programs for the K2, as it had developed a good rep as a contest radio, but nice to hear that the K3 will work (as is) for cw keying, without logging programmers having to modify their software !! One less cable between the radio and PC is always good news, now if you could only assign FSK keying to the serial cable I could forget all about the 15 pin plug on the back of the K3.. Thanks again.. David, Vk2NU > > There's no reason that contest logging programs could not have used the > direct CW feature of the K2. This was probably just because the > developers didn't see it as important -- there were only a small number > of K2's compared to radios of other types, and there was already a way > to key it, although not so elegant. > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this. Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this time so standard logging and contest programs will be able to utilise this ?? Hope this makes sense!! The K3 has a superset of the K2's command set. So anything the K2 can do, the K3 can do as well. There's no reason that contest logging programs could not have used the direct CW feature of the K2. This was probably just because the developers didn't see it as important -- there were only a small number of K2's compared to radios of other types, and there was already a way to key it, although not so elegant. However, if I am not mistaken, many, many contesters and DXpeditions will be using K3's, enough to make an impression on the developers. Especially when some of the developers themselves will have K3's! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
> I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent > on the serial cable used for rig control. From memory this > was possible on the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest > programs didn't support this. > > Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this > time so standard logging and contest programs will be able to > utilise this ?? Hope this makes sense!! Any software that provides CW keying via a serial port can key the K3 with a standard serial cable connected between the PC and K3. In the K3 configuration menu, you select which of the RS232 signal lines is used for CW keying. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
