Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[Fred Jensen]

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that for you."

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/1/2018 2:43 PM, Charlie T wrote:

My computer just kicked me out of the shack with some really scary threats
if I even attempted to "pull the plug" while it was working toward DXCC
(which I already have on 6M SSB) on 50 MHz.

Seems I gave it a tad TOO much control over the station.

Now I'm afraid to even go into the room while the band's open.  The damn
thing has taken over and doing it all, including internet QSL's.

Even the cats are hiding in the basement.

Oh well, there's always Andy Griffith re-runs on the old-time TV channels.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[WILLIE BABER]

Stop Dave. Will you stop Dave?  What do you think you are doing, Dave?

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On Fri, 6/1/18, rich hurd WC3T  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the 
FT-8 microjuggernaut
 To: "Charlie T" 
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Friday, June 1, 2018, 4:02 PM
 
 Just remember, a computer's
 attention span is exactly as long as itspower
 cord.  ;)
 
 On
 Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 17:43 Charlie T 
 wrote:
 
 > My computer
 just kicked me out of the shack with some really scary
 threats
 > if I even attempted to
 "pull the plug" while it was working toward
 DXCC
 > (which I already have on 6M SSB)
 on 50 MHz.
 >
 > Seems I
 gave it a tad TOO much control over the station.
 >
 > Now I'm afraid to
 even go into the room while the band's open.  The
 damn
 > thing has taken over and doing it
 all, including internet QSL's.
 >
 > Even the cats are hiding in the
 basement.
 >
 > Oh well,
 there's always Andy Griffith re-runs on the old-time TV
 channels.
 >
 > 73,
 Charlie k3ICH
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[rich hurd WC3T]

Just remember, a computer's attention span is exactly as long as itspower
cord.  ;)

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 17:43 Charlie T  wrote:

> My computer just kicked me out of the shack with some really scary threats
> if I even attempted to "pull the plug" while it was working toward DXCC
> (which I already have on 6M SSB) on 50 MHz.
>
> Seems I gave it a tad TOO much control over the station.
>
> Now I'm afraid to even go into the room while the band's open.  The damn
> thing has taken over and doing it all, including internet QSL's.
>
> Even the cats are hiding in the basement.
>
> Oh well, there's always Andy Griffith re-runs on the old-time TV channels.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[Charlie T]

My computer just kicked me out of the shack with some really scary threats
if I even attempted to "pull the plug" while it was working toward DXCC
(which I already have on 6M SSB) on 50 MHz.

Seems I gave it a tad TOO much control over the station.

Now I'm afraid to even go into the room while the band's open.  The damn
thing has taken over and doing it all, including internet QSL's.

Even the cats are hiding in the basement.

Oh well, there's always Andy Griffith re-runs on the old-time TV channels.

73, Charlie k3ICH





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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[Jim Brown]

On 6/1/2018 9:00 AM, Michael Blake wrote:

I believe the main selling point is that you can work DXCC in short time with 
zero personal involvement:)


As I understand it, FT8 was developed primarily with 6M E-skip in mind, 
because an older weak signal mode, JT65 took so long that a double hop 
opening had faded before a QSO could be completed.


I chase 6M grids. Last season, I worked >140 grids, 40 of which were new 
ones. That's not easy to do from the west coast when you already have 
350 confirmed. 13 were JT65 or JT9, 14 were FT8, 10 were MSK144, 3 were 
CW, and 1 was SSB. When you reach that level, the grids you're missing 
are mostly those with low population density. A relatively small number 
of hams working 6M know CW, and all of the WSJT modes are 20 dB or more 
better than SSB. So FT8, by virtue of its new popularity, is lighting up 
a bunch of grids that were otherwise not available for marginal conditions.


In two strong openings about ten days ago, I worked more than a dozen JA 
stations in 9 grids!  All but one has already been confirmed in LOTW. 
That's another strong point -- in general, those who use digital modes 
are FAR more likely to be on LOTW, which saves a lot of postage if 
you're chasing awards.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[Randy Farmer]

The "instant gratification" factor is still alive and well, now fueled 
by all manner of digital gadgets. I'm a dinosaur, I suppose, but somehow 
I've never been able to warm up to any kind of radio communication 
technique for which my gray matter is not part of the demodulation chain 
(this includes RTTY). I don't even use telnet spots when I'm contesting. 
The idea of an overnight DXCC without intervention of carbon-based life 
forms leaves me cold, and is tantamount to fishing with dynamite in my eyes.


73...
Randy, W8FN (ex-WA9VZM)

On 6/1/2018 11:00 AM, Michael Blake wrote:

To add insult to injury the signals are not even below the noise floor.  Only 
when calculated against a 3 KHz bandwidth.  You can clearly see signals on the 
P3 that are reporting -25 snr within WSJT-X.

I believe the main selling point is that you can work DXCC in short time with 
zero personal involvement :)

Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[Michael Blake]

To add insult to injury the signals are not even below the noise floor.  Only 
when calculated against a 3 KHz bandwidth.  You can clearly see signals on the 
P3 that are reporting -25 snr within WSJT-X.

I believe the main selling point is that you can work DXCC in short time with 
zero personal involvement :)

Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 






> On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:53 AM, David F. Reed  wrote:
> 
> I agree; the FT-8 thing has had a lot of negative impact; some of the other
> modes that take longer, but are weak signal modes were far less
> devastating; people used lower power and got along more or less without
> interfering too much except with other JT modes...
> I think the quick turn part of FT8 contributed to its rapid growth, and the
> use of it with high power made it worse.
> 
> I am back to longing for a simple CW contact at a leisurely pace... Back to
> my KX2 (serial number 72!) for a little fun on 30 M.
> 
> 73 de Dave, W5SV
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [KX3] <
> kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>> At first I thought it was my receiver. Or my antenna farm, limited in
>> scale by a pre-nuptial clause. Or noise caused by the zomboid army of
>> switching power supplies oozing inexorably into my personal space.
>> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> It turns out the dearth of CW and SSB signals on 6 meters at the height of
>> 2018 Spring Sporadic-E season can be traced to one factor: the 24-hour
>> intravenous rave that is FT-8.
>> 
>> Yeah, I get the whole sub-noise-floor-and-not-automated-(wink)-QSO thing.
>> But I’d like to figure out how those of us who enjoy the occasional
>> gear-grinding manual-transmission contact can find each other on this brave
>> new highway. Ideas?
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Posted by: Wayne Burdick 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[David F. Reed]

I agree; the FT-8 thing has had a lot of negative impact; some of the other
modes that take longer, but are weak signal modes were far less
devastating; people used lower power and got along more or less without
interfering too much except with other JT modes...
I think the quick turn part of FT8 contributed to its rapid growth, and the
use of it with high power made it worse.

I am back to longing for a simple CW contact at a leisurely pace... Back to
my KX2 (serial number 72!) for a little fun on 30 M.

73 de Dave, W5SV

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [KX3] <
kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> At first I thought it was my receiver. Or my antenna farm, limited in
> scale by a pre-nuptial clause. Or noise caused by the zomboid army of
> switching power supplies oozing inexorably into my personal space.
>
> Nope.
>
> It turns out the dearth of CW and SSB signals on 6 meters at the height of
> 2018 Spring Sporadic-E season can be traced to one factor: the 24-hour
> intravenous rave that is FT-8.
>
> Yeah, I get the whole sub-noise-floor-and-not-automated-(wink)-QSO thing.
> But I’d like to figure out how those of us who enjoy the occasional
> gear-grinding manual-transmission contact can find each other on this brave
> new highway. Ideas?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> 
> Posted by: Wayne Burdick 
> 
>
>
> 
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