Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I have a Pace de-soldering tool so taking off the display is not really an 
issue,
but agreed it would have been easier before the display was installed.


As for the diffuser, If needed I have a CNC mini mill so I could cut a piece of 
Plexiglass and I have
a nice sample pack of photography gel filters that include many colors and some 
various defusing films.


I was trying to avoid having to build one from scratch, That being saig I may 
just use it as is for a while.
After all the face of the K2 is half grey so it does not quite match the K3 as 
it is.


Thank you


From: David Woolley <for...@david-woolley.me.uk>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?



I'd never really thought about the colour, but I think it is basically 

the natural colour of the combination of liquid crystal and polariser. 

It's not the narrowband green that you would get with a green LED.


Especially if you add in the fact that white "LED"s are really narrow 

band blue LEDs with broadband yellow phosphors, so are not peaking in 

the green, natural variations in colour vision, or colour vision 

defects, could easily cause the colour to be treated as a yellowish 

amber, rather than a reddish green.


I would have thought using green LEDs would have been a more efficient 

use of precious milliamps.


The display is just a seven segment array and has a manufacturer's part 

number, although it is possible it is end of line.  I don't think it is 

custom, or at least not at the time of the original design.


The real problems with making the change are that the LED's are 

integrated into the diffuser and the diffuser is behind the, unsocketed, 

display.  I doubt you could change the colour, except before the first 

build, without destroying the LCD panel.  It is also possible that the 

diffuser assembly is difficult to source; there is no manufacturer's 

part number for that.


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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[David Woolley]

I'd never really thought about the colour, but I think it is basically 
the natural colour of the combination of liquid crystal and polariser. 
It's not the narrowband green that you would get with a green LED.


Especially if you add in the fact that white "LED"s are really narrow 
band blue LEDs with broadband yellow phosphors, so are not peaking in 
the green, natural variations in colour vision, or colour vision 
defects, could easily cause the colour to be treated as a yellowish 
amber, rather than a reddish green.


I would have thought using green LEDs would have been a more efficient 
use of precious milliamps.


The display is just a seven segment array and has a manufacturer's part 
number, although it is possible it is end of line.  I don't think it is 
custom, or at least not at the time of the original design.


The real problems with making the change are that the LED's are 
integrated into the diffuser and the diffuser is behind the, unsocketed, 
display.  I doubt you could change the colour, except before the first 
build, without destroying the LCD panel.  It is also possible that the 
diffuser assembly is difficult to source; there is no manufacturer's 
part number for that.


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On 05/04/17 22:15, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Tom,

The LCD display on the K2 has "been what it was" from the beginning
(even for Field Test units).
The backlighting is white (LEDs, not incandescent), but the color of the
actual display is green when backlighted.  Actually, it is green when
frontlighted (without the backlight) as well, but more gray than green.

There is no amber LCD for the K2, never has been.  I think some posters
confused K2 with the KX2 (which does have an amber LCD - same LCD as the
K3/K3S and the KX3).

The LCD display is a custom display, so duplicating that custom display
for someone who wants an amber display would be quite an expensive
proposition.  In other words, an amber LCD for the K2 is not practical.




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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I has a Ten Tec amp that was like that  with RGB LEDs





  From: Bill Frantz <fra...@pwpconsult.com>
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?
   
If you can replace the backlight LEDs with RGB LEDs, you might 
be able to have any color you wanted depending on the current 
limiting resistors. :-)

When I turn the backlight off on my K3, the color shifts from 
amber to something gray-green.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Bill Frantz]

If you can replace the backlight LEDs with RGB LEDs, you might 
be able to have any color you wanted depending on the current 
limiting resistors. :-)


When I turn the backlight off on my K3, the color shifts from 
amber to something gray-green.


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

Actually the Stock Backlight LEDs are Green
If you shine a light at the K3 or the KPA500 you will se they also gave a 
greenish cast to them when off



  From: Don Wilhelm <donw...@embarqmail.com>
 To: Tom McCulloch <th...@att.net>; Harry Yingst <hlyin...@yahoo.com>; 
"elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?
   
Tom,

The LCD display on the K2 has "been what it was" from the beginning 
(even for Field Test units).
The backlighting is white (LEDs, not incandescent), but the color of the 
actual display is green when backlighted.  Actually, it is green when 
frontlighted (without the backlight) as well, but more gray than green.

There is no amber LCD for the K2, never has been.  I think some posters 
confused K2 with the KX2 (which does have an amber LCD - same LCD as the 
K3/K3S and the KX3).

The LCD display is a custom display, so duplicating that custom display 
for someone who wants an amber display would be quite an expensive 
proposition.  In other words, an amber LCD for the K2 is not practical.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/5/2017 4:51 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote:
> When it's off it's sort of grayish.  When I power the K2 up there are 
> (what looks to be) two small light bulbs on, or behind, the left and 
> right sides of the display,  When lit they give an amber-ish (if that's 
> a word) color.  It's actually the color from the two "clear" 
> incandescent bulbs.
> 
> Does anyone with a low serial number have this and can better explain it?


   
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

Interesting

I build a K2 Years ago SN in the 3500 range and just built a new one (just 
finished it).

Both with Green Backlights.  I was thinking that it would be nice to

change this one over to an Amber backlight so it matches my K3 better.

I may just need to find some closely matching LEDs or just leave it as is.

I figured it was worth a shot.






From: Tom McCulloch <th...@att.net>
To: Harry Yingst <hlyin...@yahoo.com>; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
<elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?



When it's off it's sort of grayish.  When I power the K2 up there are (what 
looks to be) two small light bulbs on, or behind, the left and right sides of 
the display,  When lit they give an amber-ish (if that's a word) color.  It's 
actually the color from the two "clear" incandescent bulbs.

Does anyone with a low serial number have this and can better explain it?

Tom, wb2qdg
K2 s/n 1103


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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

The LCD display on the K2 has "been what it was" from the beginning 
(even for Field Test units).
The backlighting is white (LEDs, not incandescent), but the color of the 
actual display is green when backlighted.  Actually, it is green when 
frontlighted (without the backlight) as well, but more gray than green.


There is no amber LCD for the K2, never has been.  I think some posters 
confused K2 with the KX2 (which does have an amber LCD - same LCD as the 
K3/K3S and the KX3).


The LCD display is a custom display, so duplicating that custom display 
for someone who wants an amber display would be quite an expensive 
proposition.  In other words, an amber LCD for the K2 is not practical.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/5/2017 4:51 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote:
When it's off it's sort of grayish.  When I power the K2 up there are 
(what looks to be) two small light bulbs on, or behind, the left and 
right sides of the display,  When lit they give an amber-ish (if that's 
a word) color.  It's actually the color from the two "clear" 
incandescent bulbs.


Does anyone with a low serial number have this and can better explain it?

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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[John Wingard]

K2 S/N 1057 here and my display is a pale yellow-green color when lit.
Definitely not what I would consider to be amber.

73, WB4GLJ

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Tom McCulloch <th...@att.net> wrote:

> When it's off it's sort of grayish.  When I power the K2 up there are
> (what looks to be) two small light bulbs on, or behind, the left and right
> sides of the display,  When lit they give an amber-ish (if that's a word)
> color.  It's actually the color from the two "clear" incandescent bulbs.
>
> Does anyone with a low serial number have this and can better explain it?
>
> Tom, wb2qdg
> K2 s/n 1103
>
> On 4/4/2017 3:18 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> How did you get the Amber display?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> *From:* Tom McCulloch <th...@att.net>
>> *To:* elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:46 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?
>>
>> Amber here.s/n 1103
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> wb2qdg
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Tom McCulloch]

When it's off it's sort of grayish.  When I power the K2 up there are 
(what looks to be) two small light bulbs on, or behind, the left and 
right sides of the display,  When lit they give an amber-ish (if that's 
a word) color.  It's actually the color from the two "clear" 
incandescent bulbs.


Does anyone with a low serial number have this and can better explain it?

Tom, wb2qdg
K2 s/n 1103

On 4/4/2017 3:18 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:



How did you get the Amber display?





*From:* Tom McCulloch <th...@att.net>
*To:* elecraft@mailman.qth.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:46 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

Amber here.s/n 1103

Tom

wb2qdg




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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

K2 #1239 is green at night when the internal light is on, more gray than
green in daylight. But it definitely is not amber.

I suspect that is a function of the LED's that are lighting the screen,
which appears to be lit from the side, not the back.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:

> The main display on my K2, S/N 4398, is VB on NVB [Very Black on Not Very
> Black].  Works great in sunlight.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 4/4/2017 6:12 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>
>> HI thought they were ALL amber ???
>>
>> What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??
>>
>> Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing
>> here?
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

How did you get the Amber display?



  From: Tom McCulloch <th...@att.net>
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?
   
Amber here..s/n 1103

Tom

wb2qdg


   
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Fred Jensen]

The main display on my K2, S/N 4398, is VB on NVB [Very Black on Not 
Very Black].  Works great in sunlight.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 4/4/2017 6:12 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

HI thought they were ALL amber ???

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here?

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Oh man, talk about putting one’s foot in one’s mouth!!

I guess I WAS missing a yuge point.

I immediately thought of the K3, K3S, KX2 & KX3.

I completely missed the fact you were asking about the K2, which of course, 
DOES have a green display.

 

Very sorry for all the wasted electrons….

 

Charlie T.

 

 

 

 

From: Bert Craig [mailto:wa...@arrl.net] 
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

 

My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to look at 
for longer periods of time. I'd love to see the option of a green display 
offered for the K3s. As always, take care es... 

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

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Sent: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 9:20
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

HI thought they were ALL amber ??? 

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe?? 

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here? 

73, Charlie k3ICH 




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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Tom McCulloch]

Amber here..s/n 1103

Tom

wb2qdg


On 4/4/2017 9:33 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Mine is without a doubt "green" ...

On Apr 4, 2017 7:26 AM, "Bert Craig"  wrote:

My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Ken G Kopp]

Mine is without a doubt "green" ...

On Apr 4, 2017 7:26 AM, "Bert Craig"  wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Bert Craig]

My K2/100 display is green, much more pleasing to the eye and easier to look at 
for longer periods of time. I'd love to see the option of a green display 
offered for the K3s. As always, take care es... 

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

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HI thought they were ALL amber ???

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here?

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Subject: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

I saw a picture wher somone had an amber display on their K2.
I would assume it's just a matter of changing out the led backlight.
So the question is where can I get an Amber backlight panel?Or do I just
make my own?
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Re: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

HI thought they were ALL amber ???

What color would you call the stock display, orangey-yellow maybe??

Not trying to be funny,( well, maybe just a tad) but what am I missing here?

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Subject: [Elecraft] Amber display for the K2?

I saw a picture wher somone had an amber display on their K2.
I would assume it's just a matter of changing out the led backlight.
So the question is where can I get an Amber backlight panel?Or do I just
make my own?
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