Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
My feelings are that something in the notch part of the DSP code is not being initialised properly. I have had the Auto notch both not work, then work. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:28:12 -0700, Gregory Fischer wrote: > I've talked to Lyle about this and he is going to look at it when he > gets back from a trip he is on. > > 73 > Greg > AB7R > > On Aug 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dick Roth, KA1OZ wrote: > >> Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a >> heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use >> Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it >> out completely. >> >> Hope I'm not adding too much noise to the FW discussion! >> >> >> -- >> 73, >> Dick ka1oz >> Middleborough, MA >> >> Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 >> Antenna: Titan-DX >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Dick Roth, KA1OZ wrote: >> Strange - it works just as described in the Owner's manual here: auto >> notch >> on SSB, manual (only) on AM/CW/DATA. It didn't work for me in the NAQP SSB ... but then again hardly anything works for me on SSB :-) Manual notch worked just fine. I never turn AGC off but every now and then, my brain fades, however in this case, I'm pretty sure autonotch was NOT working. I haven't reloaded, I will tomorow. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2009 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2009 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Made me go look again as well. with 50uV injected into the back I got an AFV of 1773. I first centered the signal in CW and then changed to SSB. I have the auto offset feature turned on so my rig was still centered and I know the frequency of the tone this way. This allows me to use my pitch frequency for the manual notch setting and I know I'm centered (or as centered as the CWT gets me as I did not use my ear this time to zero beat). Auto notch = -35.9dB Manual notch = -46.2dB Then I repeated the experiment with 1uV injected: Auto notch = -7.8dB Manual notch = -11.2dB Its clear to the ear that the auto notch is not doing as good of a job in comparison to manual but I'd not say that its "not working". Doing this test made me think of an idea though. What about when engaging the manual notch if you were in auto before how about having the manual set to the same frequency that the auto algorithm found rather than 2k. This would then hopefully mean you'd only have minor tweaking to get it perfect. Although hopefully the auto improves a lil in the future too... All in all the auto notch is still doing a quite fair job in my shack! ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 15:25 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Ya' made me go look (again) Mike: > > On mine, both auto and manual work, but the manual notch is much deeper than > the automatic notch. > > Using the K2's internal metering while invoking the notch listening to a > clean input from a signal generator, I see a 38 dB drop in level using the > automatic notch and a 51 db drop using manual notch. > > Ron AC7AC > > > -Original Message- > G'day, > > To hopefully settle this, at least for my own case, I reloaded Beta > 3r19 and did the following test: > > 14195kHz SSB, AGC F. S7 signal from my K2. With my line out > setting this gave a -46dB signal displayed in Spectrogram 16. > Applying auto notch reduced this to -87dB or better. > > Reloaded Beta 3r25. With the same set up the signals displayed > were -46dB notch off, -72dB notch on. > > I conclude that something significant has changed with auto notch. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Dick Roth, KA1OZ wrote: > Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Strange - it works just as described in the Owner's manual here: auto notch >> on SSB, manual (only) on AM/CW/DATA. >> >> Is it possible your AGC was turned off? >> >> Ron AC7AC >> >> -Original Message- >> >> Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote: >>> Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a >>> heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use >>> Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it >>> out completely. >>> >> Same thing here. Auto Notch is gone in 3.25. >> >> 73, Markus HB9BRJ > > AGC is on. Here are the settings: > > AGC Delay nor > AGC Hold 000 > AGC PLS nor > AGC SLP 002 > AGC THR 008 > AGC-F 140 > AGC-S 010 > > Otherwise, the function appears to work properly when in manual mode. > I, too, went back to 3.19. Auto-notch works as it always did before I loaded 3.25. My rig is a pretty early one, serial 859, with no mods performed since the original build. Never did the mods because I never saw the need. After an early failure of the front panel, the radio has been performing flawlessly. I couldn't be more pleased! But, I'll have to see how things fall out to determine whether to stay with 3019 and have auto-notch or go forward again to 3.25 to enjoy the improved NR. -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Antenna: Titan-DX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
I've talked to Lyle about this and he is going to look at it when he gets back from a trip he is on. 73 Greg AB7R On Aug 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dick Roth, KA1OZ wrote: > Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a > heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use > Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it > out completely. > > Hope I'm not adding too much noise to the FW discussion! > > > -- > 73, > Dick ka1oz > Middleborough, MA > > Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 > Antenna: Titan-DX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Ya' made me go look (again) Mike: On mine, both auto and manual work, but the manual notch is much deeper than the automatic notch. Using the K2's internal metering while invoking the notch listening to a clean input from a signal generator, I see a 38 dB drop in level using the automatic notch and a 51 db drop using manual notch. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- G'day, To hopefully settle this, at least for my own case, I reloaded Beta 3r19 and did the following test: 14195kHz SSB, AGC F. S7 signal from my K2. With my line out setting this gave a -46dB signal displayed in Spectrogram 16. Applying auto notch reduced this to -87dB or better. Reloaded Beta 3r25. With the same set up the signals displayed were -46dB notch off, -72dB notch on. I conclude that something significant has changed with auto notch. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Auto noych works fine here also. NR much inproved onSSB with only a little loss of gain. Been using 3.25 two weeks. 73 Phil - Original Message - From: "Dick Roth, KA1OZ" To: "Ron D'Eau Claire" Cc: "'hb9brj'" ; Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this) > Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Strange - it works just as described in the Owner's manual here: auto >> notch >> on SSB, manual (only) on AM/CW/DATA. >> >> Is it possible your AGC was turned off? >> >> Ron AC7AC >> >> -Original Message- >> >> Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote: >>> Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a >>> heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use >>> Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it >>> out completely. >>> >> >> Same thing here. Auto Notch is gone in 3.25. >> >> 73, Markus HB9BRJ > > AGC is on. Here are the settings: > > AGC Delay nor > AGC Hold 000 > AGC PLS nor > AGC SLP 002 > AGC THR 008 > AGC-F 140 > AGC-S 010 > > Otherwise, the function appears to work properly when in manual mode. > > -- > 73, > Dick ka1oz > Middleborough, MA > > Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 > Antenna: Titan-DX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Strange - it works just as described in the Owner's manual here: auto notch > on SSB, manual (only) on AM/CW/DATA. > > Is it possible your AGC was turned off? > > Ron AC7AC > > -Original Message- > > Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote: >> Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a >> heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use >> Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it >> out completely. >> > > Same thing here. Auto Notch is gone in 3.25. > > 73, Markus HB9BRJ AGC is on. Here are the settings: AGC Delay nor AGC Hold 000 AGC PLS nor AGC SLP 002 AGC THR 008 AGC-F 140 AGC-S 010 Otherwise, the function appears to work properly when in manual mode. -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Antenna: Titan-DX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
G'day, To hopefully settle this, at least for my own case, I reloaded Beta 3r19 and did the following test: 14195kHz SSB, AGC F. S7 signal from my K2. With my line out setting this gave a -46dB signal displayed in Spectrogram 16. Applying auto notch reduced this to -87dB or better. Reloaded Beta 3r25. With the same set up the signals displayed were -46dB notch off, -72dB notch on. I conclude that something significant has changed with auto notch. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" To: "'hb9brj'" ; Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this) > Strange - it works just as described in the Owner's manual here: > auto notch > on SSB, manual (only) on AM/CW/DATA. > > Is it possible your AGC was turned off? > > Ron AC7AC > > -Original Message- > > Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote: >> >> Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a >> heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use >> Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and >> notched it >> out completely. >> > > Same thing here. Auto Notch is gone in 3.25. > > 73, Markus HB9BRJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
FWIW: Auto Notch working fine here, even after loading 3.25. Dave, NX7F -Original Message- From: Dick Roth, KA1OZ [mailto:raro...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:22 To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this) Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it out completely. Hope I'm not adding too much noise to the FW discussion! -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Strange - it works just as described in the Owner's manual here: auto notch on SSB, manual (only) on AM/CW/DATA. Is it possible your AGC was turned off? Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote: > > Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a > heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use > Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it > out completely. > Same thing here. Auto Notch is gone in 3.25. 73, Markus HB9BRJ -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Ken Wagner K3IU wrote: > Hi Dick: > > Something is funny about this, 'cuz lots of folks have said it is not > working and lots, including me, say it works just fine. Only thing I can > think of trying to possibly correct it is to do a *complete *reload of > the firmware. I have had a couple of occasions where that fixed weird > problems in the past. > > 73 from just down 24 a bit... > > Ken K3IU > K3 #202 > Portsmouth, RI > `` > Dick Roth, KA1OZ wrote: >> Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a >> heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use >> Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it >> out completely. >> >> Hope I'm not adding too much noise to the FW discussion! >> >> >> Thanks for the suggestion, Ken. I reloaded and still have the same condition. Doesn't matter whether AGC if fast or slow. The tone doesn't wander much and in manual mode I can quiet the tone and not have to fuss to keep it quiet. -- 73 from just up 24 a bit, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Antenna: Titan-DX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote: > > Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a > heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use > Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it > out completely. > Same thing here. Auto Notch is gone in 3.25. 73, Markus HB9BRJ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Auto-Notch-Broken-in-3.25-%28I-probably-missed-this%29-tp3454576p3454621.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
I installed FW 3.25 this morning and have had several times the automatic notch and alwways works as before,no problem on my K3. AD4C "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits".. -- Albert Einstein --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Rob May wrote: From: Rob May Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 7:40 PM Yesterday during the NAQP I used the auto notch several times and it worked fine. I haven't noticed the problems some others are having. Rob NV5E > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:22:21 -0400 > From: raro...@comcast.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this) > > Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a > heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use > Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it > out completely. > > Hope I'm not adding too much noise to the FW discussion! > > > -- > 73, > Dick ka1oz > Middleborough, MA > > Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 > Antenna: Titan-DX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this)
Yesterday during the NAQP I used the auto notch several times and it worked fine. I haven't noticed the problems some others are having. Rob NV5E > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:22:21 -0400 > From: raro...@comcast.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Auto-Notch Broken in 3.25 (I probably missed this) > > Tried listening for the Elecraft SSB net at 1800. There was a > heterodyne or other interfering signal on 14.316. I tried to use > Auto-Notch, but nothing changed. Then I went to manual and notched it > out completely. > > Hope I'm not adding too much noise to the FW discussion! > > > -- > 73, > Dick ka1oz > Middleborough, MA > > Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 > Antenna: Titan-DX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
