Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MicroKeyer 2 - mmtty transmit issues on RTTY using FSK-D mode

2010-10-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Jim,

I do not have enough information for a good answer, but I can ask a 
question --
What are the voltage levels you are applying to the ACC pin 1?  It must 
be 0 volts and +5 volts - there is a pullup resistor in the K3, so you 
only need an open collector transistor to accomplish the keying from an 
RS-232 signal.
The TTL voltage must be referenced to ground (ACC pin 5 or pin 12).

What do you mean by bypassing the MicroKeyer 2 - what is driving the 
ACC connector pin 1 (and K3 ground).
I am not familiar enough with the Microkeyer 2 to understand its 
connection options.

If you are applying raw RS-232 levels to ACC pin 1, you may have damaged 
the TTL input and/or the pullup resistor.

The K3 Utility uses an entirely different path to create RTTY (or PSK31) 
from ASCII input through the RS-232 connector, so there is not a 1 to 1 
correlation between the K3 Utility method and the FSK input to the ACC 
connector.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2010 7:57 PM, Jim Spears wrote:
 I am trying to get my K3 operational on rtty and have run aground.  Receive
 works fine.  Transmit using FSK-D mode in the K3 keys the transmitter but
 the FSK signal does not trigger the K3 to transmit both tones.  I hear a
 single tone in the monitor and the P3 also shows the same thing.



 Using the K3 utility to send rtty works fine but this is a different
 interface, bypassing the MicroKeyer 2.



 So the big question is what am I doing wrong?   I have posted this to the
 MicroHam Yahoo group, it will be interesting to see where the best advice
 comes from.



 Details of the hardware and software configuration are available on request.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MicroKeyer 2 - mmtty transmit issues on RTTY using FSK-D mode

2010-10-24 Thread Kok Chen

On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jim Spears wrote:

 I hear a single tone in the monitor and the P3 also shows the same thing.  

A microKeyer does not modulate the FSK keying signal unless the keyer is 
commanded to do so by the software that is controlling it.  If nothing is sent 
to the keyer from the controlling software, the keying pin from the microKeyer 
to the K3 will be in a constant Mark state (a single fixed carrier).

A standard convention in Amateur RTTY is to insert the Baudot LTRS character 
when nothing is typed.  This produces the familiar two tone diddle signal 
that you hear from RTTY stations when they are idling.   Among other things, 
the diddle provides a reference for the automatic threshold control function in 
the demodulator to work on in case selective fading causes the two tones to 
have unequal energy. 

However, the microKeyer by itself does not automatically insert these 
characters for you.  The software that is driving the microKeyer is the one 
that is responsible for inserting the Baudot LTRS characters when the input 
buffer is empty (i.e., when you are not typing).

If the software is doing the proper thing, you should see the green front panel 
LED on the microKeyer II flashing.  If the FSK LED on the microKeyer II is 
fixed in the on or off state, you might check if there is a diddle option in 
the software that needs to be turned on.

73
Chen, W7AY

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MicroKeyer 2 - mmtty transmit issues on RTTY using FSK-D mode

2010-10-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Transmit using FSK-D mode in the K3 keys the transmitter but
 the FSK signal does not trigger the K3 to transmit both tones.
  I hear a single tone in the monitor and the P3 also shows the
  same thing.

Which monitor?  Is your software generating shift?  Do you see
the FSK LED flickering on MK II?  Have you checked the cable to
see if the FSK line is correct and connected to the FSK output
pin on the MK II?

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 10/24/2010 7:57 PM, Jim Spears wrote:
 I am trying to get my K3 operational on rtty and have run aground.  Receive
 works fine.  Transmit using FSK-D mode in the K3 keys the transmitter but
 the FSK signal does not trigger the K3 to transmit both tones.  I hear a
 single tone in the monitor and the P3 also shows the same thing.



 Using the K3 utility to send rtty works fine but this is a different
 interface, bypassing the MicroKeyer 2.



 So the big question is what am I doing wrong?   I have posted this to the
 MicroHam Yahoo group, it will be interesting to see where the best advice
 comes from.



 Details of the hardware and software configuration are available on request.



 Jim/N1NK



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