Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Bill Frantz]

For me, Field Day is how I cut my eye teeth on contesting, so I 
consider it a contest. But it is also so much more: Public 
outreach, Party, Camping trip, Emergency preparedness drill, 
etc. etc. etc.


On the other hand, I generally don't enter contests to try to 
have a big score. I enter them to have fun. (But big scores are 
fun too.) For example, to test my digital station for Field Day, 
I entered the Ukrainian RTTY contest. Working in that contest 
got all the bugs worked out of my setup, and reminded me how to 
get around the bugs in the computer software I used. The big 
bonus was two ATNOs.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/27/16 at 10:28 AM, rodenkirch_...@msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch) wrote:


I see you're a "FD isn't a contest" devote.you've sipped the ARRL
'non-contest' kool-aidyeah, surethat's why the arrl scores entries,
'cuz it's not a contesthi hi


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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Jim Rodenkirch]

My query was answered, Doug...that's good 'cuz now we know the contesting s/w
limits.

I understand and appreciate your sideways focus on "short and sweet" for
most conteststhat doesn't work well, necessarily, during, for instance,
a stew perry 160 event where us qrp ops are coveted"more sending" is,
often, a requirement.

I see you're a "FD isn't a contest" devote.you've sipped the ARRL
'non-contest' kool-aidyeah, surethat's why the arrl scores entries,
'cuz it's not a contesthi hi

71.5 Jim R. K9JWV



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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Doug Ellmore]

Jim,

I know this may be sideways to your technical issue, but for those who do
S in a contest or FD (which is an operating event), waiting for long CQs
can be frustrating.  Keeping it short can increase your QSO rate and the
QSO rate of those doing S

Here are the scenarios:

CONTESTING

   Calling station: CQ Test  k [pause 3-5 sec before sending CQ
again]

   S station:  

   Calling station  

   S station:  

   Calling station TU QRZ  k


DXING

   For DXing I use the following:

   Calling station:

   Calling station: CQ DX  k [pause 3-5 sec before sending CQ
again]
 or
CQ DX  UP [pause 3-5 sec before
sending CQ again]

   S station: 

   Calling station:  

   S station: TU  

   Calling station: TU QRZ 
  or
   TU QRZ  UP



Both scenario allow as many operators to work each other in the least
amount of time.

Also, for the faster interface with less lag, I use a WinKeyer or Winkeyer
Lite.  There is essentially no delay so you can have instant function key
or typing from N1MM+.

The Win4K3 suite software also support the WinKeyer, too.  So you can
program function keys and buttons in the terminal window just like N1MM+.

73

Doug
NA1DX



K9JWV wrote:

Here is my F1 macro for CW contests:

F1 CQ, {CATA1ASCKY cq TEST * * test;}

If I enter two "cqs"   {CATA1ASCKY cq cq TEST * * test;} the message is not
sent...is that indicative of a limit on characters transferred 'tween N1MM
and the KX3?

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provided by those of questionable knowledge.
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

Why didn't you just purchase the USB interconnect cable, Bill? Add two 
interconnect audio cables for mic and headphone and you're wired for 
quadrasonic multiplexwell as far as utilizing your computer for contest 
logging and operating CW as well as JT9/65, PSK-31, etc. 


What am I missing??

71.5 de Jim R. K9JWV  

From: Nr4c <n...@widomaker.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:59 PM
To: Jim Rodenkirch
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

When I got my KX3, I built a pair of transistor switches that fit in a DE-9 
shell. Added cables for RX/TX, PTT and CW KEYING and now it works just like a 
K3 with CAT, PTT and CW using DTR, and RTS from n1mm all from a standard KUSB 
that works with the K3.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Jim Rodenkirch <rodenkirch_...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Here is my F1 macro for CW contests:
>
> F1 CQ, {CATA1ASCKY cq TEST * * test;}
>
> If I enter two "cqs"   {CATA1ASCKY cq cq TEST * * test;} the message is not
> sent...is that indicative of a limit on characters transferred 'tween N1MM
> and the KX3?
>
> Just tryin' to unnerstandtnx, in advance, for your reply -- Jim
> R K9JWV
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Nr4c]

When I got my KX3, I built a pair of transistor switches that fit in a DE-9 
shell. Added cables for RX/TX, PTT and CW KEYING and now it works just like a 
K3 with CAT, PTT and CW using DTR, and RTS from n1mm all from a standard KUSB 
that works with the K3. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Jim Rodenkirch  wrote:
> 
> Here is my F1 macro for CW contests:
> 
> F1 CQ, {CATA1ASCKY cq TEST * * test;} 
> 
> If I enter two "cqs"   {CATA1ASCKY cq cq TEST * * test;} the message is not
> sent...is that indicative of a limit on characters transferred 'tween N1MM
> and the KX3?
> 
> Just tryin' to unnerstandtnx, in advance, for your reply -- Jim
> R K9JWV
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Jim Rodenkirch]

Bingo.mucho gracias.."problem" solved..tnx, Rich.I sure
hope they expand that "buffer" some in a later firmware update/upgrade 



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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

Well, FredI coulda listed it as F1 CQ, {CATA1ASC KY cq TEST * * test;}

Regardless, either "version" produces the same..adding the 2nd cq (for 
either 'version') results in nothing out of the KX3


From: Cady, Fred <fc...@montana.edu>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 1:58 PM
To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

isn't it {cat1asc...} ?



From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Jim Rodenkirch 
<rodenkirch_...@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 1:34 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

Here is my F1 macro for CW contests:

F1 CQ, {CATA1ASCKY cq TEST * * test;}

If I enter two "cqs"   {CATA1ASCKY cq cq TEST * * test;} the message is not
sent...is that indicative of a limit on characters transferred 'tween N1MM
and the KX3?

Just tryin' to unnerstandtnx, in advance, for your reply -- Jim
R K9JWV



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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Richard Ferch]

The limit is in the KX3 firmware. According to the K3 Programmer's
Manual, the upper limit on the length of a text message that can be sent
using the KY command is 24 characters. Your original message already
comprises 24 characters after the * macros are expanded, so the added "cq "
pushed it over the limit.

73,
Rich VE3KI


K9JWV wrote:

Here is my F1 macro for CW contests:

F1 CQ, {CATA1ASCKY cq TEST * * test;}

If I enter two "cqs"   {CATA1ASCKY cq cq TEST * * test;} the message is not
sent...is that indicative of a limit on characters transferred 'tween N1MM
and the KX3?
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

[Cady, Fred]

isn't it {cat1asc...} ?



From: Elecraft  on behalf of Jim Rodenkirch 

Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 1:34 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM and KX3

Here is my F1 macro for CW contests:

F1 CQ, {CATA1ASCKY cq TEST * * test;}

If I enter two "cqs"   {CATA1ASCKY cq cq TEST * * test;} the message is not
sent...is that indicative of a limit on characters transferred 'tween N1MM
and the KX3?

Just tryin' to unnerstandtnx, in advance, for your reply -- Jim
R K9JWV



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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM/K3/KX3 Programming

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Doug Ellmore Sr. d...@ellmore.net wrote:
 Through N1MM and K3 software commands, I am able to send keying messages of
 specific text from n1mm to the K3.  In order to pass variables, such as the
 other station and serial number, I need help to figure that out.

 winkeyer command example to send cq from N1MM:

 F1 RUN CQ,*cq {CQ MYCALL} {MYCALL} TEST*
 K3 Command sent to K3 on com1 from N1MM:

 F1 Run CQ,* {CATA1ASC ky cq na1dx na1dx test;}*
 What I need to do is send the variable {TX} which is the station to work

(in addition to Rich's comments:)

{TX} is not a variable, and has nothing to do with the station you're
working - rather it is a macro symbol that asserts PTT to the
transceiver. It is not necessary to assert PTT to the K3 utilise the
KY command.

http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Macrosstructure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM/K3/KX3 Programming

[Richard Ferch]

This question would more properly have been sent to the N1MM Logger user 
group.


Be that as it may, the answer is yes, at least in CW mode, provided you 
use the correct N1MM Logger command syntax (see the online documentation).


With a Winkeyer or serial or parallel port CW keying, or (in the case of 
the K3) with CW keying on DTR of the radio control port (this is not 
available with the KX3), the function key command to send the other 
station's call sign followed by 5NN, the rest of the contest exchange 
and your own call sign would be:


F2 Ex,{CALL} 5NN {EXCH} {MYCALL}

If you want to do this using the K3/KX3's internal keyer, the 
corresponding function key command would be:


F2 Ex,{CAT1ASC KY {CALL} 5NN {EXCH} {MYCALL};}

The space between the KY and the first character in the actual message 
is required by the K3/KX3 command syntax, as is the semicolon at the end 
of the message.


There are several limitations to this method:

1. Once the function key containing one of these messages has been 
pressed, you cannot interrupt the message from N1MM Logger, i.e. 
pressing the Esc key will have no effect. You can only interrupt a 
message in progress by pressing the XMIT button on the radio's front panel.


2. The CW speed using this method is controlled from the radio's front 
panel SPEED control, not from N1MM Logger. N1MM Logger's CW speed 
control macros and the PgUp/PgDn keys will not work with this method.


3. If you like to use auto CQ repeat in N1MM Logger, the repeat interval 
has to be longer than the duration of your CQ message at the slowest CW 
speed you use. If you change CW speeds, a repeat interval that is 
appropriate for the slowest CW speed will likely be longer than you 
would like at higher speeds.


4. The maximum number of characters that can be sent in such a message 
is 24. Note that this is the number of Morse code characters the message 
is converted to, not a count of the number of characters in the N1MM 
Logger command. Therefore you need to design your messages so that they 
will take no more than 24 characters with the longest call sign and 
exchange you are likely to need during the contest.


5. You can only put one of these CAT1ASC macro commands in each function 
key message.


6. You cannot send ad lib Morse code this way, i.e. the Ctrl+K command 
to send keyboard CW does not work with this method.


There may be other limitations; these are the ones that occur to me 
offhand. I have tested this in CW and verified that it works. It will 
not work in AFSK A; I am not sure whether it will work in FSK D.


73,
Rich VE3KI


NA1DX wrote:


Through N1MM and K3 software commands, I am able to send keying messages of
specific text from n1mm to the K3.  In order to pass variables, such as the
other station and serial number, I need help to figure that out.


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