Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP" [END of thread.]
Let's end this thread for now. 73, Eric Elecraft moderator _..._ "Gary Gregory" wrote: >Whilst Gary makes a perfectly good case for why you would want to answer a >QRP station, and I agree with his comments. > >I am not too sure about adding /QRP as their would be times when this may >indeed add to the difficulty in picking the call out IF you are working a >busy frequency, not necessarily a pile-up, but you may want to call a few >other stations that have called you as well. > >I got thrill when I worked a G3 on vacation on ZL and he was calling /M and >when we made the contact he told me he was using 2W...I certainly thought my >antenna was doing a great job and so I was smiling ear to ear as I logged >the call. > >We all have different ideas on operating so in the end it is up to the >individual, just don't add QRP and DROP the prefix etc. Partial calls are >not in our rules and so I do not answer stations that insist on calling >their prefix only which is becoming more common from what I am hearing >lately...good grief, I heard a "Roger Beep" on 20M Phone just the other >day... > >73's >Gary >On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gary Hinson wrote: > >> > You might choose not to answer, but the station signing /QRP >> > is breaking no laws. >> >> Dead right Tom. I will work (almost) anyone who calls me, and do my level >> best to log exactly what they send me as their callsign (plus or minus >> sending errors, receiving errors and typoos of course - we are only human). >> I don't have the time or inclination to check out every foreign >> administration's callsign rules before logging someone: I figure it is >> THEIR >> responsibility, not mine, to use a legally valid callsign with permission >> to >> operate on whatever band, mode and time they are on. I do however like to >> double check when someone sends me a weird call, just in case they or I >> busted it. The calls used by foreign ops in BY still puzzle me because >> they >> use two full callsigns separated by a slash. >> >> But, the point made by our Swedish friend tells me that *some* hams would >> deliberately avoid answering me if I ever signed ZL2iFB/QRP - something I >> don't do, by the way, but the point is generally valid. >> >> Personally, I *like* to know when the guy on the far end is running QRP or >> a >> wet string antenna or whatever. It tells me my receiving setup is working >> nicely, and usually means he is a homebrewer with a great big smile having >> worked ZL with his flea-power. I *do* try to give priority to QRPers and >> other weak callers in pileups, and sometimes deliberately ignore the really >> loud callers, especially those who insist on calling all over QSOs in >> progress and expect to shout their way into my log. QRPers generally >> aren't >> that rude and frankly, out of necessity, they are often better operators. >> QRPers happily persist until I have their complete call accurately logged, >> whereas some others either ignore or don't notice me sending their calls >> incorrectly, or give up after just one or two repeats when I am clearly >> struggling to make them out. My ears prick up if I catch /QRP in a pileup >> and I'll go the extra mile to complete the QSO and make someone's day. I >> appreciate that some don't share my appreciation of QRP, nor should they. >> I'm not trying to force my will on anyone. This hobby is broad enough for >> us all. >> >> So, if you do want to tell me you are QRP, by all means add /QRP to your >> call or tell me what you're running. For me, that's cool and you'll >> probably get a "72" from me at the end. >> >> 73 >> Gary ZL2iFB >> >> PS Should we be sending "74" to those alligator callers, I wonder ...? >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > >-- >Gary >VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile >http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ >K3 #679 >For everything else there's Mastercard!!! >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
Whilst Gary makes a perfectly good case for why you would want to answer a QRP station, and I agree with his comments. I am not too sure about adding /QRP as their would be times when this may indeed add to the difficulty in picking the call out IF you are working a busy frequency, not necessarily a pile-up, but you may want to call a few other stations that have called you as well. I got thrill when I worked a G3 on vacation on ZL and he was calling /M and when we made the contact he told me he was using 2W...I certainly thought my antenna was doing a great job and so I was smiling ear to ear as I logged the call. We all have different ideas on operating so in the end it is up to the individual, just don't add QRP and DROP the prefix etc. Partial calls are not in our rules and so I do not answer stations that insist on calling their prefix only which is becoming more common from what I am hearing lately...good grief, I heard a "Roger Beep" on 20M Phone just the other day... 73's Gary On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gary Hinson wrote: > > You might choose not to answer, but the station signing /QRP > > is breaking no laws. > > Dead right Tom. I will work (almost) anyone who calls me, and do my level > best to log exactly what they send me as their callsign (plus or minus > sending errors, receiving errors and typoos of course - we are only human). > I don't have the time or inclination to check out every foreign > administration's callsign rules before logging someone: I figure it is > THEIR > responsibility, not mine, to use a legally valid callsign with permission > to > operate on whatever band, mode and time they are on. I do however like to > double check when someone sends me a weird call, just in case they or I > busted it. The calls used by foreign ops in BY still puzzle me because > they > use two full callsigns separated by a slash. > > But, the point made by our Swedish friend tells me that *some* hams would > deliberately avoid answering me if I ever signed ZL2iFB/QRP - something I > don't do, by the way, but the point is generally valid. > > Personally, I *like* to know when the guy on the far end is running QRP or > a > wet string antenna or whatever. It tells me my receiving setup is working > nicely, and usually means he is a homebrewer with a great big smile having > worked ZL with his flea-power. I *do* try to give priority to QRPers and > other weak callers in pileups, and sometimes deliberately ignore the really > loud callers, especially those who insist on calling all over QSOs in > progress and expect to shout their way into my log. QRPers generally > aren't > that rude and frankly, out of necessity, they are often better operators. > QRPers happily persist until I have their complete call accurately logged, > whereas some others either ignore or don't notice me sending their calls > incorrectly, or give up after just one or two repeats when I am clearly > struggling to make them out. My ears prick up if I catch /QRP in a pileup > and I'll go the extra mile to complete the QSO and make someone's day. I > appreciate that some don't share my appreciation of QRP, nor should they. > I'm not trying to force my will on anyone. This hobby is broad enough for > us all. > > So, if you do want to tell me you are QRP, by all means add /QRP to your > call or tell me what you're running. For me, that's cool and you'll > probably get a "72" from me at the end. > > 73 > Gary ZL2iFB > > PS Should we be sending "74" to those alligator callers, I wonder ...? > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
> You might choose not to answer, but the station signing /QRP > is breaking no laws. Dead right Tom. I will work (almost) anyone who calls me, and do my level best to log exactly what they send me as their callsign (plus or minus sending errors, receiving errors and typoos of course - we are only human). I don't have the time or inclination to check out every foreign administration's callsign rules before logging someone: I figure it is THEIR responsibility, not mine, to use a legally valid callsign with permission to operate on whatever band, mode and time they are on. I do however like to double check when someone sends me a weird call, just in case they or I busted it. The calls used by foreign ops in BY still puzzle me because they use two full callsigns separated by a slash. But, the point made by our Swedish friend tells me that *some* hams would deliberately avoid answering me if I ever signed ZL2iFB/QRP - something I don't do, by the way, but the point is generally valid. Personally, I *like* to know when the guy on the far end is running QRP or a wet string antenna or whatever. It tells me my receiving setup is working nicely, and usually means he is a homebrewer with a great big smile having worked ZL with his flea-power. I *do* try to give priority to QRPers and other weak callers in pileups, and sometimes deliberately ignore the really loud callers, especially those who insist on calling all over QSOs in progress and expect to shout their way into my log. QRPers generally aren't that rude and frankly, out of necessity, they are often better operators. QRPers happily persist until I have their complete call accurately logged, whereas some others either ignore or don't notice me sending their calls incorrectly, or give up after just one or two repeats when I am clearly struggling to make them out. My ears prick up if I catch /QRP in a pileup and I'll go the extra mile to complete the QSO and make someone's day. I appreciate that some don't share my appreciation of QRP, nor should they. I'm not trying to force my will on anyone. This hobby is broad enough for us all. So, if you do want to tell me you are QRP, by all means add /QRP to your call or tell me what you're running. For me, that's cool and you'll probably get a "72" from me at the end. 73 Gary ZL2iFB PS Should we be sending "74" to those alligator callers, I wonder ...? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
True, but then again take your same 5 watts and try to work that rare DX with a pile of KW's on him so big he has to listen up 2 or even 3 kcs. With the amp off or not in the shack at all. Now _that_ takes some skill, friends 'n neighbors. No doubt about it in my mind, QRP ops can be a real skill builder for both the station and the folks who work him/her 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Calling-CQ-on-PSK-31-tp5043861p5047533.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
QRP is not an identifier or part of a call so IMO signing /qrp is incorrect. When i go qrp i sign DM4IM QRP or DM4IM/P QRP when portable, but never ever DM4IM/QRP. If someone qso's me and signs CALL/QRP i sure answer his call, but i never key the / , because qrp is not part of his call . /p /m /mm /W7 IS part of a call. Would you sign /qro /qsk /qrs /qrq ? You wouldn't. Martin 2 Cents, keep the change :-) -- 73, DM4iM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
lstavenhagen wrote: > Interesting. I've always felt the other way about QRP stations - > they're more attractive for me to work because of the novelty of > their using low power and the probability that their operating skills > are better due to the challenges of working QRP. Hmmm ... conventional wisdom suggests that the operating skill goes to the station that works the /QRP. It's easy to transmit with 5W, I do it often when in the field. Picking my weak signal out of the noise and QRM on the other end takes skill. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
I too dislike hearing stations sign /qrp. There is a real basis for my dislike of this practice It is this, when hearing multiple callers I do my best to try to pull out the weak stations under the stronger ones but I can't always hear the weak stations well enough to get a full call in one go whilst the strong ones are calling If I can pull a full call in one go it keeps everyone happy by saving on repeats. The problem with signing /qrp is that often the /qrp is the bit that is being sent once the stronger stations have finished sending their calls. /qrp is not a partial call so I can't even go back to the caller with a partial, this wastes time. What is MUCH more useful is for the calling station to send his/her call a couple of times in a row without additional,unnecessary embellishments. This increases your chances of me pulling out your full, correct call in one go out of a pileup and us then having a successful QSO. I hear well here as I am in a quiet rural area with reasonable antennas and a super CW radio (k3) By all means tell me you are running 5w if you like once we exchange station details if we are having a longer QSO but If I am at the receiving end of a pileup I really have no interest in hearing /QRP it is not going into my log, it's not a legally required suffix, it does not convey useful information and it keeps others waiting. Sometimes If I am feeling particularly grumpy I may sign EI6IZ/QRO in return if the other station signs /QRP on each over , it's just as valid ! -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
International standard is to put country designator before callsign, forexample W7/SM2EKM. It used to be the other way around, SM2EKM/W7, but it did change years ago. Seems to me the USA has a problem following international standards. Pritty much like how the old USSR used to be, they signed all the treaties and agreements but in the end they did things "their own way". / Jim SM2EKM -- On 2010-05-13 14:03, briana wrote: > It would seem that the commonly used /m and /mm suffixes are not legal. > M and MM callsigns are being assigned by England and Scotland. > If one looks at the international prefux list, there seems to be no > combination of letters that are not assigned to some country. > > My logging program assigns /M calls to England and /MM to Scotland! > > Of course to confuse things even more, I believe some countries require > the portable location to be assigned before one's call, e.g. GM/W8JI.. > Secondary indicators go after the call. This can lead to calls like > MM/W8JI/M. > > Ain't it great . > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > Tom W8JI wrote: > >>> QRP is not part of any call sign! If you are QRP and >>> like a QSO with me don´t ever use forexample K0PP/QRP. >>> I simply will NOT answer, I do not answer bogus call >>> signs. >>> Also do not call me with "two letters" your "suffix" or >>> whatever >>> but your given legal call sign, I simply never ever >>> answer things like that. >>> >>> >> >> Not so in the USA. We only have to ID at least once every >> ten minutes during a series of transmissions, when we are >> done transmitting, or within ten minutes of starting >> transmissions. >> >> (a) Each amateur station, except a space station or >> telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on >> its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, >> and at least every 10 minutes during a communication, for >> the purpose of clearly making the source of the >> transmissions from the station known to those receiving the >> transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified >> communications or signals, or transmit as the station call >> sign, any call sign not authorized to the station. >> >> >> We can legally assign our own designators, like /QRP: >> >> (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call >> sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by >> the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the >> slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be >> included before, after, or both before and after, the call >> sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other >> indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix >> assigned to another country. >> >> >> >> So we can say W8JI/QRP legally here so long (not that you >> will ever hear me do that because I don't like it either) as >> "QRP" does not conflict with any other country assignment or >> any assigned FCC indicator. >> >> You might choose not to answer, but the station signing /QRP >> is breaking no laws. >> >> 73 Tom >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2869 - Release Date: 05/12/10 >> 02:26:00 >> >> >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
Interesting. I've always felt the other way about QRP stations - they're more attractive for me to work because of the novelty of their using low power and the probability that their operating skills are better due to the challenges of working QRP. So, when I hear a stations sign /QRP I'm usually more inclined to try to work them than less. I'd also say the combo of both QRP _and_ a marginal antenna is really where it gets hard to make QSO's. I've heard QRP contest stations that were the loudest sigs on the band. They'll be running only 5 watts, but to a yagi stack at 100' and coming in at 30 over S9 running stations for hours on end. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Calling-CQ-on-PSK-31-tp5043861p5046374.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
It would seem that the commonly used /m and /mm suffixes are not legal. M and MM callsigns are being assigned by England and Scotland. If one looks at the international prefux list, there seems to be no combination of letters that are not assigned to some country. My logging program assigns /M calls to England and /MM to Scotland! Of course to confuse things even more, I believe some countries require the portable location to be assigned before one's call, e.g. GM/W8JI.. Secondary indicators go after the call. This can lead to calls like MM/W8JI/M. Ain't it great . 73 de Brian/K3KO Tom W8JI wrote: >>QRP is not part of any call sign! If you are QRP and >>like a QSO with me don´t ever use forexample K0PP/QRP. >>I simply will NOT answer, I do not answer bogus call >>signs. >>Also do not call me with "two letters" your "suffix" or >>whatever >>but your given legal call sign, I simply never ever >>answer things like that. >> >> > >Not so in the USA. We only have to ID at least once every >ten minutes during a series of transmissions, when we are >done transmitting, or within ten minutes of starting >transmissions. > >(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or >telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on >its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, >and at least every 10 minutes during a communication, for >the purpose of clearly making the source of the >transmissions from the station known to those receiving the >transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified >communications or signals, or transmit as the station call >sign, any call sign not authorized to the station. > > >We can legally assign our own designators, like /QRP: > >(c) One or more indicators may be included with the call >sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by >the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the >slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be >included before, after, or both before and after, the call >sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other >indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix >assigned to another country. > > > >So we can say W8JI/QRP legally here so long (not that you >will ever hear me do that because I don't like it either) as >"QRP" does not conflict with any other country assignment or >any assigned FCC indicator. > >You might choose not to answer, but the station signing /QRP >is breaking no laws. > >73 Tom > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2869 - Release Date: 05/12/10 >02:26:00 > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
> QRP is not part of any call sign! If you are QRP and > like a QSO with me don´t ever use forexample K0PP/QRP. > I simply will NOT answer, I do not answer bogus call > signs. > Also do not call me with "two letters" your "suffix" or > whatever > but your given legal call sign, I simply never ever > answer things like that. Not so in the USA. We only have to ID at least once every ten minutes during a series of transmissions, when we are done transmitting, or within ten minutes of starting transmissions. (a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication, for the purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the station known to those receiving the transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified communications or signals, or transmit as the station call sign, any call sign not authorized to the station. We can legally assign our own designators, like /QRP: (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. So we can say W8JI/QRP legally here so long (not that you will ever hear me do that because I don't like it either) as "QRP" does not conflict with any other country assignment or any assigned FCC indicator. You might choose not to answer, but the station signing /QRP is breaking no laws. 73 Tom __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
Jim, Right on mate. This "give me your first too" and "your suffix only" etc are only encouraging " illegal operation here in VK. The LCD ((Licence Condition Determination" clearly states you must use your call-sign. Nowhere does it say you can use a part or half etc. I also do not answer these types of calls. My licence clearly states I AM to use the Portable statement after my call sign as my licence address is the licence tags on my Motorhome and so I always use VK4FD Portable when in VK4 and Portable 3(?) when in another VK call area etc. Heaven forbid I heard a couple of stations discussing the merits of returning 11 metres to the amateur bands..I almost had a heart attack...(:-))..I don't even listen there anymore, I can't speak the language Hi Hi. Rant Off! Flame Suit ON 73's Gary On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: > On 2010-05-13 01:41, Ken Kopp wrote: > > > > There is a school of thought that says calling attention to > > the fact you're "QRP" when seeking contact with another > > station may well be counter productive. > > > QRP is not part of any call sign! If you are QRP and > like a QSO with me don´t ever use forexample K0PP/QRP. > I simply will NOT answer, I do not answer bogus call signs. > Also do not call me with "two letters" your "suffix" or whatever > but your given legal call sign, I simply never ever > answer things like that. > > / Jim SM2EKM > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
On 2010-05-13 01:41, Ken Kopp wrote: > > There is a school of thought that says calling attention to > the fact you're "QRP" when seeking contact with another > station may well be counter productive. > QRP is not part of any call sign! If you are QRP and like a QSO with me don´t ever use forexample K0PP/QRP. I simply will NOT answer, I do not answer bogus call signs. Also do not call me with "two letters" your "suffix" or whatever but your given legal call sign, I simply never ever answer things like that. / Jim SM2EKM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
100% agreement from here. About 6 weeks ago I worked 4B3DX on 20m SSB, CW and RTTY. He asked me to try 40 meter CW so he could get an AZ LoTW confirmation for that call and his other call, XE3DX. When we finished I was called by a really weak station. I could have ignored him but I persisted and copied Tim, http://www.qrz.com/db/w3tim. Lotsa fun. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO wrote: From: Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP" To: "Ken Kopp" , elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM Ken, thanks for the nice K3-to-K3 rag-chew QSO on 6m the other night. Big signal from you down here in the desert. One thing that's interesting is how the definition of QRP has changed over the years. I used to be a card-carrying member of the QRP ARCI -- WB2JOK, #1879. You can look it up. :-) "QRP" in those days (early 1960s) was considered to be 100 watts or less. Input watts, of course, not output. So figure 60 watts or so of RF. I ran a single homebrew 6146 at around 90 watts input on HF CW in those days. Since I now like to work 6-meter weak signal digital modes in addition to SSB and CW on that band, I have a kilowatt-plus amp at my disposal, and I don't hesitate to use it. I try to remember to switch it off when rag-chewing with local buddies, but in general, I have to admit to being an adherent nowadays to the maxim, "Life is too short to run QRP." LOL I'm mentioning this fact not to start another round of off-topic "QRO vs. QRP" bloviating, but just as a somewhat sheepish admission: Yes, I run QRO. There, I said it! Power does help you complete more QSOs. And if more QSOs completed is your goal, running higher power is a perfectly valid way of accomplishing it. For the dyed-in-the-wool QRPer, of course, it's not the quantity of Qs that counts, but what you can do, once in a while, with much less than might be thought possible. Now these days, while running a kilowatt on 6 meters SSB during an Es opening, I am often the object of a pile-up; strange as it may seem (to me), there are a lot of guys with small stations back east who have never worked New Mexico on 6. I'm rare DX as far as they're concerned; they can actually hear me with their modest, sometimes indoor antennas because of my high ERP. I'm often told that I'm the only signal on the band, which is why they're willing to keep trying -- for hours on end, sometimes -- to work me. So if I hear the word "QRP" come through in between bursts of S9+40 mush, I will call "QRZ the QRP station," and try to pull him through. Is that guy necessarily running what is defined as SSB QRP nowadays (10 watts PEP output)? I have no idea, but the guy clearly isn't running a kW to a 7JHV, and I will try to help him out, up to the point where it becomes clear that he's just too weak to pull through the noise floor. But the other 50 guys on the frequency will have to wait while I try. See, I remember when I was a kid and I couldn't AFFORD to run any more power than I was running or put up any better an antenna. I did the best I could with what I had, and that wasn't much in comparison to most of the guys I was trying to work, with their NC-303s and HT-32Bs. I'm not saying the point Ken makes isn't true, just that it isn't true for everybody. For example, one of the biggest kicks I ever got on 6 meters was working a guy running 3 watts PEP to a rubber duck, sitting on his hotel balcony on Padre Island, Texas -- with the hotel building behind him in my direction! Yes, it was tough copy during a very strong Es opening, but we made a valid QSO, and at least it was tough copy only in one direction. I have total respect for guys who like to run QRP; it just isn't for me personally, any more. I done my time. ;-) Bill W5WVO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
Ken, thanks for the nice K3-to-K3 rag-chew QSO on 6m the other night. Big signal from you down here in the desert. One thing that's interesting is how the definition of QRP has changed over the years. I used to be a card-carrying member of the QRP ARCI -- WB2JOK, #1879. You can look it up. :-) "QRP" in those days (early 1960s) was considered to be 100 watts or less. Input watts, of course, not output. So figure 60 watts or so of RF. I ran a single homebrew 6146 at around 90 watts input on HF CW in those days. Since I now like to work 6-meter weak signal digital modes in addition to SSB and CW on that band, I have a kilowatt-plus amp at my disposal, and I don't hesitate to use it. I try to remember to switch it off when rag-chewing with local buddies, but in general, I have to admit to being an adherent nowadays to the maxim, "Life is too short to run QRP." LOL I'm mentioning this fact not to start another round of off-topic "QRO vs. QRP" bloviating, but just as a somewhat sheepish admission: Yes, I run QRO. There, I said it! Power does help you complete more QSOs. And if more QSOs completed is your goal, running higher power is a perfectly valid way of accomplishing it. For the dyed-in-the-wool QRPer, of course, it's not the quantity of Qs that counts, but what you can do, once in a while, with much less than might be thought possible. Now these days, while running a kilowatt on 6 meters SSB during an Es opening, I am often the object of a pile-up; strange as it may seem (to me), there are a lot of guys with small stations back east who have never worked New Mexico on 6. I'm rare DX as far as they're concerned; they can actually hear me with their modest, sometimes indoor antennas because of my high ERP. I'm often told that I'm the only signal on the band, which is why they're willing to keep trying -- for hours on end, sometimes -- to work me. So if I hear the word "QRP" come through in between bursts of S9+40 mush, I will call "QRZ the QRP station," and try to pull him through. Is that guy necessarily running what is defined as SSB QRP nowadays (10 watts PEP output)? I have no idea, but the guy clearly isn't running a kW to a 7JHV, and I will try to help him out, up to the point where it becomes clear that he's just too weak to pull through the noise floor. But the other 50 guys on the frequency will have to wait while I try. See, I remember when I was a kid and I couldn't AFFORD to run any more power than I was running or put up any better an antenna. I did the best I could with what I had, and that wasn't much in comparison to most of the guys I was trying to work, with their NC-303s and HT-32Bs. I'm not saying the point Ken makes isn't true, just that it isn't true for everybody. For example, one of the biggest kicks I ever got on 6 meters was working a guy running 3 watts PEP to a rubber duck, sitting on his hotel balcony on Padre Island, Texas -- with the hotel building behind him in my direction! Yes, it was tough copy during a very strong Es opening, but we made a valid QSO, and at least it was tough copy only in one direction. I have total respect for guys who like to run QRP; it just isn't for me personally, any more. I done my time. ;-) Bill W5WVO -- From: "Ken Kopp" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:41 PM To: Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP" > > There is a school of thought that says calling attention to > the fact you're "QRP" when seeking contact with another > station may well be counter productive. > > Some resent the implied expectation of special treatment, > or sympathy for the "poor little QRP'er", and is usually of > little interest ... or even annoying ... to the guy on the other > end. > > If you're the usual QRP'er that enjoys doing something with > less, there's no need to call attention to the fact that you're > "QRP", and then you can take satisfaction in knowing that > you made the contact without invoking some degree of > "sympathy" and / or special treatment. Your signal report > is more likely to be "unbiased", too. (:-)) > > 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP > elecraftcov...@rfwave.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: The use "QRP"
And one more additive, Ken, along with that.. is that if you don't mention qrp, you just may have a nice long conversation. It is absolutely amazing how the conversation just ends... with in two exchanges of when the other station hears me say something about running qrp... low power or a known low power radio. And the same station in some cases will keep talking to me for quite a while, sometimes with less power out here, as long as it isn't mentioned. However, it may be necessary to make it known, to a net control station, for some odd reason. Some guys know that I run qrp, so it isn't a big deal, but when I get a Q with a measured tenth of a watt... that's pretty cool... Washington State.. surprised me too. and I was just fooling around with the test out of a new rig. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > > There is a school of thought that says calling attention to > the fact you're "QRP" when seeking contact with another > station may well be counter productive. > _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
