Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-14 Thread Stewart Bryant

The British Logitec 360 mostly works. Certainly it functions
much better that the generic windows  KB I got from
Amazon a couple of days ago.

As was noted to me by another G, a couple of the keys
are swapped and I can like with that, however the one
key I cannot seem to find is the | which is used
to immediately end transmission and return to receive.

Stewart/G3YSX

On 12/09/2013 17:11, Paul Saffren wrote:

Stewart,

You are correct in that the SVGA keyboard interface maps to a US
keyboard.Unfortunately we did not have the room to include mappings
for all the international key maps.  I think there are only a few keys
that are different on the UK keyboard.   Let's see what happens when you
get the K360 installed.

73,

Paul

Paul Saffren - N6HZ
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On 9/11/2013 3:27 PM, stew...@g3ysx.org.uk wrote:

Thanks Paul, I have ordered one of these, but I now have a doubt.

The issue with keyboard selection is seemingly with the keyboard
mapping - won't this be different with a British keyboard?

Should I have waited and got one when I am next in the US?

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:11, Paul Saffren N6HZ pa...@elecraft.com wrote:


Hi Stewart,

We, along with many of our customers have had very good luck with the
Logitech K360 Wireless keyboard.  It can often be found very
inexpensively
online.Stay away from keyboards that have built in mice, or what are
call composite devices.  The SVGA USB driver does not support
these, nor
does it support external hubs.

73,

Paul





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-12 Thread Paul Saffren

Stewart,

You are correct in that the SVGA keyboard interface maps to a US 
keyboard.Unfortunately we did not have the room to include mappings 
for all the international key maps.  I think there are only a few keys 
that are different on the UK keyboard.   Let's see what happens when you 
get the K360 installed.


73,

Paul

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On 9/11/2013 3:27 PM, stew...@g3ysx.org.uk wrote:

Thanks Paul, I have ordered one of these, but I now have a doubt.

The issue with keyboard selection is seemingly with the keyboard mapping - 
won't this be different with a British keyboard?

Should I have waited and got one when I am next in the US?

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:11, Paul Saffren N6HZ pa...@elecraft.com wrote:


Hi Stewart,

We, along with many of our customers have had very good luck with the
Logitech K360 Wireless keyboard.  It can often be found very inexpensively
online.Stay away from keyboards that have built in mice, or what are
call composite devices.  The SVGA USB driver does not support these, nor
does it support external hubs.

73,

Paul





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-11 Thread Stewart Bryant

Is there any resolution on this.

I installed the SVGA last night and I am finding
that the P3 sometimes finds the keyboard, mostly
does not, and sometimes finds keys, but not always
and sometimes misses characters from the playout
buffer.

I am off to find another keyboard to see how
many of the problems this fixes, but I am
somewhat concerned by the note in the SVGA manual:

Most PC keyboards using an USB connection will work w
ith the P3 SVGA. Apple keyboards are not supported
at this time. 

Which implies some uncertainly over keyboard selection.

Stewart


On 12/04/2013 02:14, Richard Fjeld wrote:

If anyone is following this thread, I was content with the P3 and had no 
intentions of getting the SVGA adapter.  When I learned of the digital modes 
and USB keyboard capability, I added it.  I tried the digital modes enough to 
like it.  Computer software may give more extras, but I find it fun to rough it 
without a computer.  I can imagine more refinements to come.

At my age, I find the keyboard is a nice way to send CW because I can see what 
I am typing, correct my mistakes, and it is transmitted in perfect duration and 
spacing.   It is good for sending code practice to people as well.

Rich, n0ce

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   To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
   Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:38 PM
   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx


   A space either before or after should not cause any odd behavior.  The only
   time I have seen this problem is when a computer was connected to the P3/K3
   and the K3 terminal utility was running.  But I remember you stated that the
   computer was not connected to the P3/K3 serial line.

   Just curious, how fast is your WPM set to?  And do the missed characters
   show in the K3 sub display?

   -Paul






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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-11 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
Hi Stewart, 

We, along with many of our customers have had very good luck with the
Logitech K360 Wireless keyboard.  It can often be found very inexpensively
online.Stay away from keyboards that have built in mice, or what are
call composite devices.  The SVGA USB driver does not support these, nor
does it support external hubs. 

73, 

Paul





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-11 Thread stew...@g3ysx.org.uk
Thanks Paul, I have ordered one of these, but I now have a doubt.

The issue with keyboard selection is seemingly with the keyboard mapping - 
won't this be different with a British keyboard?

Should I have waited and got one when I am next in the US?

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:11, Paul Saffren N6HZ pa...@elecraft.com wrote:

 Hi Stewart, 
 
 We, along with many of our customers have had very good luck with the
 Logitech K360 Wireless keyboard.  It can often be found very inexpensively
 online.Stay away from keyboards that have built in mice, or what are
 call composite devices.  The SVGA USB driver does not support these, nor
 does it support external hubs. 
 
 73, 
 
 Paul
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-11 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Naw, just remember to always drive on the left side of the keyboard and 
you'll do fine.


Chas
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From: stew...@g3ysx.org.uk stew...@g3ysx.org.uk

To: Paul Saffren N6HZ pa...@elecraft.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx



Thanks Paul, I have ordered one of these, but I now have a doubt.

The issue with keyboard selection is seemingly with the keyboard mapping - 
won't this be different with a British keyboard?


Should I have waited and got one when I am next in the US?

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:11, Paul Saffren N6HZ pa...@elecraft.com wrote:


Hi Stewart,

We, along with many of our customers have had very good luck with the
Logitech K360 Wireless keyboard.  It can often be found very 
inexpensively

online.Stay away from keyboards that have built in mice, or what are
call composite devices.  The SVGA USB driver does not support these, 
nor

does it support external hubs.

73,

Paul





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-09-11 Thread stew...@g3ysx.org.uk
That is not a helpful response to what is actually a serious question!

Is the key map issue such that not only do we need to use one of a relatively 
restricted set of keyboards, but also the keyboards for one particular country 
are required? The symbols on the keys are different in different countries, and 
my guess is that this is resolved in the key map in the driver on the computer, 
rather than the k/b h/w.

To compound the potential for annoyance here, keyboards have a much shorter 
life than radios, and so many users will need to replace their keyboard at some 
stage. However the key mapping for even US keyboards of a particular brand may 
change over time, after all in their normal mode of operation, all that is 
required to support a revised h/w mapping is that a new mapping file is shipped 
to one OS company.

Stewart


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On 12 Sep 2013, at 00:42, Charlie T, K3ICH pin...@erols.com wrote:

 Naw, just remember to always drive on the left side of the keyboard and 
 you'll do fine.
 
 Chas
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 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx
 
 
 Thanks Paul, I have ordered one of these, but I now have a doubt.
 
 The issue with keyboard selection is seemingly with the keyboard mapping - 
 won't this be different with a British keyboard?
 
 Should I have waited and got one when I am next in the US?
 
 Stewart
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:11, Paul Saffren N6HZ pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Hi Stewart,
 
 We, along with many of our customers have had very good luck with the
 Logitech K360 Wireless keyboard.  It can often be found very inexpensively
 online.Stay away from keyboards that have built in mice, or what are
 call composite devices.  The SVGA USB driver does not support these, nor
 does it support external hubs.
 
 73,
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-11 Thread Paul Saffren

Richard,

Does this only happen with text message (memory) playback?

73,

Paul



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-11 Thread Richard Fjeld
Paul,

(Sorry for the delay.  I just got in from plowing due to the latest snow storm.)

No.  I typed the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.  I sent it twice 
without noticing an omission, but from then on, every time would have one to 
three omissions.  I even saw a space between words was omitted also.

This was done with the RS232 to USB adapter removed.  And yes, I am seeing the 
omissions on the K3 display as well as audibly.

I received a reply from another person who had this problem earlier on.  So, it 
could be common, or there are two bad circuit boards.

I appreciate your attention to this.  (Maybe later on, you could add a way to 
have a typed message be sent over again without re-typing it.)

73,

Rich, n0ce

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  To: Richard Fjeld 
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  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:47 AM
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  Richard,

  Does this only happen with text message (memory) playback?

  73,

  Paul


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-11 Thread Richard Fjeld
If anyone is following this thread, I was content with the P3 and had no 
intentions of getting the SVGA adapter.  When I learned of the digital modes 
and USB keyboard capability, I added it.  I tried the digital modes enough to 
like it.  Computer software may give more extras, but I find it fun to rough it 
without a computer.  I can imagine more refinements to come.

At my age, I find the keyboard is a nice way to send CW because I can see what 
I am typing, correct my mistakes, and it is transmitted in perfect duration and 
spacing.   It is good for sending code practice to people as well.
 
Rich, n0ce  

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Saffren N6HZ 
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx


  A space either before or after should not cause any odd behavior.  The only
  time I have seen this problem is when a computer was connected to the P3/K3
  and the K3 terminal utility was running.  But I remember you stated that the
  computer was not connected to the P3/K3 serial line.  

  Just curious, how fast is your WPM set to?  And do the missed characters
  show in the K3 sub display? 

  -Paul






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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-10 Thread Richard Fjeld
Paul,

To be specific, a RS232 to USB adapter is connected from the P3 to my computer, 
but I do not have the computer turned on when I am doing digital modes using 
the SVGA.  I can try pulling this connection at the P3.

The speed I have my K3 set to is 16 wpm.  

As to if the missed characters show in the K3 sub display,  I am quite sure 
they do not, but I will make sure.  I know I have seen them omitted and the K3 
display is the only place I could have seen this. 

I catch them being missed audibly as I monitor the tone on CW.   I have had it 
happen on PSK31 also, and the K3 display is the only way I would know that.

I hope you can correct it as it makes using the message memories undependable.  
In the meantime, I will pull the RS232 connection and try it.  I would think if 
it happens for me, it would happen for you.

Rich, n0ce


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  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx


  A space either before or after should not cause any odd behavior.  The only
  time I have seen this problem is when a computer was connected to the P3/K3
  and the K3 terminal utility was running.  But I remember you stated that the
  computer was not connected to the P3/K3 serial line.  

  Just curious, how fast is your WPM set to?  And do the missed characters
  show in the K3 sub display? 

  -Paul






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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-09 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
A space either before or after should not cause any odd behavior.  The only
time I have seen this problem is when a computer was connected to the P3/K3
and the K3 terminal utility was running.  But I remember you stated that the
computer was not connected to the P3/K3 serial line.  

Just curious, how fast is your WPM set to?  And do the missed characters
show in the K3 sub display? 

-Paul






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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-08 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
Hi Richard, 

For sending CW from the keyboard on the SVGA the only cable that needs to be
connected is the serial cable between the K3 and the P3.   How do you have
the transmit mode set up?  Does it transmit immediately (vox) or is it CR? 

73, 

Paul
 



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-08 Thread Richard Fjeld
Thanks for the prompt reply, Paul.

My comment/question about the cable was a passing thought about having the 
cable plugged into the correct one of two jacks.  I just verified that it is.

The transmit mode is set up for ^T.  Perhaps this is normal, but no matter what 
mode, it begins to transmit as soon as I call a memory.  Using ^T it also 
transmits when I begin typing unless I use a ^R.  After using a ^R, I can then 
use a ^T to have it transmit.

In summary, the memories were being transmitted as soon as I called them.

Rich, n0ce

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  Hi Richard, 

  For sending CW from the keyboard on the SVGA the only cable that needs to be
  connected is the serial cable between the K3 and the P3.   How do you have
  the transmit mode set up?  Does it transmit immediately (vox) or is it CR? 

  73, 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-08 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
Richard, 

Messages stored and recalled are sent automatically, regardless of the type
of mode (i.e. vox, CR or ^T).  It might make sense to have the message
respect the sending mode, let me add it to the bug list. 

73, 

Paul






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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA; chars randomly omitted during Tx

2013-04-08 Thread Richard Fjeld
It was not a problem for me, but it would be nice to see the message before it 
is transmitted in case a person recalls the wrong message, he would have time 
to cancel it.

I mentioned how it was being sent in case it wasn't supposed to be that way.

BTW, could a space before, or after, the text in memory cause a fluke?

Thanks again,

Rich, n0ce

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  Richard, 

  Messages stored and recalled are sent automatically, regardless of the type
  of mode (i.e. vox, CR or ^T).  It might make sense to have the message
  respect the sending mode, let me add it to the bug list. 

  73, 

  Paul






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