Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Come on guys, 18 messages related to a topic that is not even necessary if the one complaining had just used that wonderful invention called the delete key instead of trying to be a list cop. No offense intended, just saying... W4CWZ On 7/16/2015 11:58 PM, David Cole wrote: guy, Your assumption that I was complaining is in error. I was pointing out that the stated, only viable option was in fact not the only viable option... I suspect everyone here knows it is Elecraft's list... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Thread closed. Folks, I am on the road right now and not able to watch the list every moment. 73, Eric List moderator elecraft.com _..._ On Jul 17, 2015, at 5:41 PM, John Payne payn...@comcast.net wrote: The whole point I was trying to make was that what started as one person objecting to a post became many messages, which could have been avoided y the OP using his delete key. It has now evolved into a debate which can quickly become heated. This ain't Facebook, fellas!! On 7/17/2015 8:33 PM, David Cole wrote: Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not necessary as a topic Just saying... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric.swa...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Perhaps I could have worded it better, my meaning was that 18, n0 20+ replies would not have been needed if the original complainer had just used delete. Now topic closed, before Wayne or Eric find it necessary to step in. On 7/17/2015 8:33 PM, David Cole wrote: Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not necessary as a topic Just saying... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not necessary as a topic Just saying... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 11:29 -0400, John Payne wrote: Come on guys, 18 messages related to a topic that is not even necessary if the one complaining had just used that wonderful invention called the delete key instead of trying to be a list cop. No offense intended, just saying... W4CWZ On 7/16/2015 11:58 PM, David Cole wrote: guy, Your assumption that I was complaining is in error. I was pointing out that the stated, only viable option was in fact not the only viable option... I suspect everyone here knows it is Elecraft's list... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
The whole point I was trying to make was that what started as one person objecting to a post became many messages, which could have been avoided y the OP using his delete key. It has now evolved into a debate which can quickly become heated. This ain't Facebook, fellas!! On 7/17/2015 8:33 PM, David Cole wrote: Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not necessary as a topic Just saying... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
The only viable solution for this is to make this a moderated list. That means that someone (probably Eric) would read and review every single post before it goes out to the rest of us. We don't want that, do we? It's far easier if everyone just follow the rules in the list charter. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. 73 -- Lynn On 7/16/2015 12:34 PM, Tom Schaefer wrote: In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an On-topic indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to the guys on the Elecraft list. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
I think the Elecraft List Guidelines pretty much covers everything in this thread. http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm Perhaps we should all take a few moments to read them from time to time. 73, Jim KA2RVO On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Andy McMullin a...@rickham.net wrote: Excellent Idea! Then we can easily filter out both the junk and the products which do not interest us. And before someone goes on again about FCC offices being of interest to all hams — it’s only of interest to certain parochial hams living in the USA, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world! Go for it. — Regards Andy, G8TQH On 16 Jul 2015, at 21:40, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com wrote: I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list. In fact most email applications have that feature. The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in question. Here are some examples: K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever. If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you did it by hand. The trouble with adding On-Topic is that it doesn't specify which product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics, because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own and plan to own in the future. What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ka2...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Tom Schaefer wrote: In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an On-topic indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to the guys on the Elecraft list. It's as if guys know someone will have to read what they share and never ask themselves if it's germane to the list. Germane in this case is ABOUT ELECRAFT and not just of general interest to hams. This is Internet 101 stuff. Indeed! E-mail 101 allows you to mark the senders of such nonsense as spamers or junk. Once marked, future submissions from these purveyors of trash get routed to the junk folder. That saves you unwanted delete key activity. Of course one persons trash might be an others treasure. Suggest use with caution. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list. In fact most email applications have that feature. The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in question. Here are some examples: K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever. If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you did it by hand. The trouble with adding On-Topic is that it doesn't specify which product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics, because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own and plan to own in the future. What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts? On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:34:05 -0400, you wrote: In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an On-topic indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to the guys on the Elecraft list. It's as if guys know someone will have to read what they share and never ask themselves if it's germane to the list. Germane in this case is ABOUT ELECRAFT and not just of general interest to hams. This is Internet 101 stuff. Tom NY4I Principal Solutions Architect Better Software Solutions, Inc. 727-437-2771 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n5ge.com Amateur Radio Operator N5GE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
I agree but it actually does seem too much to ask from the evidence. Maybe folks don't know that you should always add OT to the subject line of an off-topic post. Then after you write it, hit DELETE as its off-topic and has no business on the reflector. If folks have to share that latest nugget, go to QRZ or eHam or any other place folks throw every passing though out for comment. I will go back to my hole now and get my delete key ready :) Tom NY4I Principal Solutions Architect Better Software Solutions, Inc. 727-437-2771 On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote: The only viable solution for this is to make this a moderated list. That means that someone (probably Eric) would read and review every single post before it goes out to the rest of us. We don't want that, do we? It's far easier if everyone just follow the rules in the list charter. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. 73 -- Lynn On 7/16/2015 12:34 PM, Tom Schaefer wrote: In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an On-topic indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to the guys on the Elecraft list. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to t...@xmission.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Excellent Idea! Then we can easily filter out both the junk and the products which do not interest us. And before someone goes on again about FCC offices being of interest to all hams — it’s only of interest to certain parochial hams living in the USA, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world! Go for it. — Regards Andy, G8TQH On 16 Jul 2015, at 21:40, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com wrote: I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list. In fact most email applications have that feature. The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in question. Here are some examples: K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever. If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you did it by hand. The trouble with adding On-Topic is that it doesn't specify which product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics, because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own and plan to own in the future. What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Lot of folks get in here and complain about stuff. We just need to remember one thing: IT'S NOT OUR LIST. It's Eric's list. If you don't like something going on, as he has requested and posted many, many times, COMPLAIN DIRECTLY TO ERIC. (e...@elecraft.com) His email address does, in fact, actually work. Whether he will agree with you and/or do something is a separate matter. Convince him and he might change something. Otherwise, it's his front yard, not ours. We are but invited guests. 73, Guy K2AV. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:48 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: No that is not the only viable answer to this... I moderate three lists on Yahoo, MixW, MMSSTV, and Dopplergrams... All are open posting, and none of them go as far astray as this list does... The moderator needs to crack the whip is all.. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
guy, Your assumption that I was complaining is in error. I was pointing out that the stated, only viable option was in fact not the only viable option... I suspect everyone here knows it is Elecraft's list... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 23:20 -0400, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Lot of folks get in here and complain about stuff. We just need to remember one thing: IT'S NOT OUR LIST. It's Eric's list. If you don't like something going on, as he has requested and posted many, many times, COMPLAIN DIRECTLY TO ERIC. (e...@elecraft.com) His email address does, in fact, actually work. Whether he will agree with you and/or do something is a separate matter. Convince him and he might change something. Otherwise, it's his front yard, not ours. We are but invited guests. 73, Guy K2AV. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:48 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: No that is not the only viable answer to this... I moderate three lists on Yahoo, MixW, MMSSTV, and Dopplergrams... All are open posting, and none of them go as far astray as this list does... The moderator needs to crack the whip is all.. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
No that is not the only viable answer to this... I moderate three lists on Yahoo, MixW, MMSSTV, and Dopplergrams... All are open posting, and none of them go as far astray as this list does... The moderator needs to crack the whip is all.. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 12:57 -0700, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: The only viable solution for this is to make this a moderated list. That means that someone (probably Eric) would read and review every single post before it goes out to the rest of us. We don't want that, do we? It's far easier if everyone just follow the rules in the list charter. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. 73 -- Lynn On 7/16/2015 12:34 PM, Tom Schaefer wrote: In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an On-topic indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to the guys on the Elecraft list. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Proposed On-topic indication.
Thank you for posting that. I am at fault… The guidelines state: 5a. Please -do not- post publicly or privately asking people to stop a particular thread, no matter how long, off topic or repetitive it gets. Email me instead ;-) . I will step in when I feel it is necessary to end a thread. (eric(at)elecraft.com) I took the opportunity to inject some Internet etiquette and that is clearly against the wishes of the list owner as I did exactly what he asked not to do. As I disagree with that, it’s best for me to extricate myself and use the Yahoo Elecraft list instead. Best wishes to you all. Tom Schaefer, NY4I 727-437-2771 P.S. Drowning in email? I use SaneBox to instantly clean up my Inbox: http://sanebox.com/t/gdaz7 On Jul 16, 2015, at 5:19 PM, James Austin ka2...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Elecraft List Guidelines pretty much covers everything in this thread. http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm Perhaps we should all take a few moments to read them from time to time. 73, Jim KA2RVO On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Andy McMullin a...@rickham.net wrote: Excellent Idea! Then we can easily filter out both the junk and the products which do not interest us. And before someone goes on again about FCC offices being of interest to all hams — it’s only of interest to certain parochial hams living in the USA, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world! Go for it. — Regards Andy, G8TQH On 16 Jul 2015, at 21:40, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com wrote: I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list. In fact most email applications have that feature. The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in question. Here are some examples: K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever. If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you did it by hand. The trouble with adding On-Topic is that it doesn't specify which product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics, because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own and plan to own in the future. What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ka2...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to t...@xmission.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
