RE: [Elecraft] Re: tube amplifiers and polyproplene capacitors
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Dale Putnam wrote: Circuit City really doesn't like that. Never shop in a box store and display any tehnical know-howit scares them. 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Re: tube amplifiers and polyproplene capacitors
When I had the tv shop, I used to bring out the scope and show folks the difference, if they were so enclined. And.. I suppose you can imagine the reaction when I went shopping, of the salesforce, and the manager when I came through the door with my little Tektronics scope in hand. with a load resistor and ready to not only hear but see the difference Circuit City really doesn't like that. --... ...--Dale - WC7S in Wy _ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a lifetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Re: tube amplifiers and polyproplene capacitors
This sounds like quantum mechanics where your belief system affects the outcome. k3ey "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm (with heavy editing from me:-) ... an audio shop that allowed and encouraged A/B comparisons in store ... It is there that I found there is a big difference in CD Players, speakers, turntables and cartridges (I at first did not believe that a turntable could sound different than another with the same ton arm and cartridge installed, but I saw it with my eyes and heard it with my ears). ... - but I do not buy into a lot of the 'hype' unless I can hear the difference - Yes, that is it! Listen. A/B compare. Spend money only if you can hear the difference. Ignore (completely ignore) the explanations of why the differences are there. They are either irrelevant or flat out wrong. Wrong explanations lead to myths & superstition. Go with your ears. That also means don't rule out something just because it doesn't seem like it will work. I don't care if it is special caps, fancy sprays or "naturally generated power". If it produces the results then it produces the results. If it doesn't, then it doesn't. All to often we can dismiss ideas out of hand because they don't fit our limited understanding of things (my understanding is always limited to one degree or another). - Keith - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Re: tube amplifiers and polyproplene capacitors
-Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm (with heavy editing from me:-) ... an audio shop that allowed and encouraged A/B comparisons in store ... It is there that I found there is a big difference in CD Players, speakers, turntables and cartridges (I at first did not believe that a turntable could sound different than another with the same ton arm and cartridge installed, but I saw it with my eyes and heard it with my ears). ... - but I do not buy into a lot of the 'hype' unless I can hear the difference - Yes, that is it! Listen. A/B compare. Spend money only if you can hear the difference. Ignore (completely ignore) the explanations of why the differences are there. They are either irrelevant or flat out wrong. Wrong explanations lead to myths & superstition. Go with your ears. That also means don't rule out something just because it doesn't seem like it will work. I don't care if it is special caps, fancy sprays or "naturally generated power". If it produces the results then it produces the results. If it doesn't, then it doesn't. All to often we can dismiss ideas out of hand because they don't fit our limited understanding of things (my understanding is always limited to one degree or another). - Keith - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: tube amplifiers and polyproplene capacitors
In a message dated 5/25/06 5:47:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I for one have been 'sold' on high end audio, but I was fortunate to be > initially referred to an audio shop that allowed and encouraged A/B > comprisons in store, That's a key difference between audiophiles and audiophools - the blind A/B test. If such tests are not allowed, or are discouraged, you know you're in the presence of balderdash. 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Re: tube amplifiers and polyproplene capacitors
Rich and all, I for one have been 'sold' on high end audio, but I was fortunate to be initially referred to an audio shop that allowed and encouraged A/B comprisons in store, and was willing to work with me to get the best compromise equipment that my budget allowed. That was over 20 years ago, and I still deal with this shop even though I could do my comparisons there and go shopping somewhere else at a slightly lower price - I stick with them because of their honesty and excllent service both before and after the sale. It is there that I found there is a big difference in CD Players, speakers, turntables and cartridges (I at first did not believe that a turntable could sound different than another with the same ton arm and cartridge installed, but I saw it with my eyes and heard it with my ears). I also learned that it is hard to buy a bad amplifier - just compare the power and distortion specs, include the features that you want, and all should be well for medium priced equipment to the top of the line. Yes, I have compared my equipment with the best system in the store on an A/B test in a living room environment studio, and I am pleased with my selections - it is surpriing what can be done with even a modest budget - and yes, I can say that tubes sound different, but the audio is not as clean, even with the best Macintosh amps. Yes, there is some hype about wires, gold connectors, and other similar stuff, but my ears cannot hear it, There is validity to the speaker wire size, because it must carry the current produced by the amplifier and present a low impdance coupling to the speakers - so big wire with high power amps is necessary, and the 'Monster Wire' is flexible while providing this current handling - but I do not buy into a lot of the 'hype' unless I can hear the difference - find a really good audio outfit with knowledgable (engineering level) sales folks, and you may be surprised at what you can buy in audio for the same price as a 'packaged' system at other places. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Those who get sold by high end audio salesmen seem to believe the garbage they tell you after a while. I was told once at a high end stereo shop that I should buy this special speaker wire. It was stranded copper and each strand was individually gold plated to avoid corrosion that caused distortion. What was so special was each wire of the pair had the twists in opposite directions so that earths magnetic field would not couple into the wires and distort the audio on its way to the speakers. The salesman was very emphatic !! What else do you want to believe??. IMHO some people are gullible and will believe most anything. Inferred perception and a convincing salesman can sell most anything. Just my $.02 worth. Rich W3ACO K2 4023 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
