Re: [Elecraft] Where Is It In The Manual?
My K3 RTC was gaining less than 2 seconds a month last summer. This winter, it has been loosing about the same. The temp. in the shack is about 15 degrees warmer in the summer. It would be near perfect at about 65 degrees F. I don't think I will try to tweak it :). I originally thought that the RTC would use the TCXO as a time base but that would require the TCXO to be powered up all the time. 73, Rick K7MW Cleve, The RTC in the K3 is specified at 2 seconds per day, I believe. If it's worse than this, you may have a slightly mistuned 32 kHz oscillator crystal. Please contact k3support for help with this. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL???
Jim, Steve, and All, Well, Steve is being a little hard on Jim, but the point is that most questions are answerable in the manual---somewhere! The problem is that the contents page at the front isn't all that helpful with regard to many specific questions. A lot of things you want to find out more about aren't going to be specifically identified there. The manual really needs a good index. Maybe one day that will happen. In the meantime, one of the best ways to track down stuff is to use the online version of the manual, and do a search. Choosing the right key word is always tricky, but that seems to be a good option. Speaking of the manual! I just received my 2nd RX. Included in the packet is an installation guide, which had several sheets of errata. In this case, 2 full pages are completely replaced. Since the manuals are all spiral bound, it isn't that easy to insert updates. However, it can be done if you have a little patience, and carefully unbind the manual, then re-insert the binding after inserting the updates. Problem is, the update pages are not pre-punched. I sure wish Elecraft would do that (most of us don't have the little gadget that punches holes for spiral binding), especially when there are complete pages that need to be replaced. Alternatively, I would just as soon Elecraft not bind their manuals at all! It's not too difficult (or costly) for us to buy our own 3 hole punch (or whatever system you want to use), and then updating would be considerably easier. Yes, I know we can make our own copies and do that, but printer ink cartridges are very expensive, and mass duplication is fairly inexpensive on a per copy basis. Spiral binding is a very inexpensive process comparatively, but it wasn't meant for documents requiring frequent updates. It was designed for reports, etc. that are in final form. Just about every updatable manual system you find in business employs some sort of ring binding system to facilitate easy updating. It also makes it much easier to insert your own notes, etc. Also, once a manual has been punched for spiral binding, it can't be repunched for ring binding very effectively because the old punching process weakens the new holes. Lastly, a ring binder system would enable you to put all your accessory manuals in a tabbed section with the main manual, and in a single binder. I know I'm spitting into the wind, but I hope Elecraft will re-evaluate their manual process in the future. We are fortunate to have a radio that keeps evolving. I think the manual system for it should be improved to better support it. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: S Sacco nn4x.st...@gmail.com To: JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL??? Whatever you do: 1) Do NOT look at the K3 Owner's Manual 2) ESPECIALLY, do NOT look at the Contents 3) Really, do NOT look under the Configuration section in Contents 4) If it's the last thing you do, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES look at the Miscellaneous Setup line, which would indicate Page 47. 5) If, my some horrible mistake, you actually go to page 47, DO NOT READ the section where it says: Time and Date CONFIG:TIME sets the 24-hour real-time-clock (RTC). Tap 1 / 2 / 3 to adjust HH/MM/SS using VFO A. This URL shows UTC as well as all U.S. time zones: tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl CONFIG:DATE MD selects US (MM.DD.YY). or EU (DD.MM.YY) date format using VFO A. CONFIG:DATE is used to set the date. Tap 1 / 2 / 3 to adjust MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY. In my older version of the manual, it was found on page 44. ;-) 73, Steve NN4X -- in UPPERCASE, 'cause I'm proud of my callsign. Saint Cloud, Florida On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote: I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near accurate, but where is that EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual? Jim/nn6ee PS, Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US ARE IT GENIUSES!!! Jim/nn6ee __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL???
Dave and All, An index has already happened. Take a look at the manual currently on the Elecraft website Rev D2, January 1, 2009. That version of the manual *does* have an Index, and has been shipping with K3s since early January. Download the .pdf version of the manual and you can use the search function of Adobe Reader to find things in the manual as well. 73, Don W3FPR dyarnes wrote: Jim, Steve, and All, ... The manual really needs a good index. ... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Where Is It In The Manual?
Hey that's a cool way to set the clock. TNX. However since the thing won't stay set, I should get good exercise pushing #2 and #3 and rocking the VFO knob back and forth. cleve/W5CEM -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Where-Is-It-In-The-Manual--tp2447002p2447408.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Where Is It In The Manual?
Cleve, The RTC in the K3 is specified at 2 seconds per day, I believe. If it's worse than this, you may have a slightly mistuned 32 kHz oscillator crystal. Please contact k3support for help with this. Anyone who is really good with surface-mount assembly has the option of trying to trim this oscillator closer than we do in the factory :) One capacitor is involved, although the procedure is a bit tricky. Let me know if you're interested *and* have the right equipment (an accurate freq counter with low-C probe and a very good SMD soldering station). 73, Wayne N6KR On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:00 PM, W5CEM wrote: Hey that's a cool way to set the clock. TNX. However since the thing won't stay set, I should get good exercise pushing #2 and #3 and rocking the VFO knob back and forth. cleve/W5CEM --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL???
It's described in the Miscellaneous Setup section under the Time and Date heading - on page 47 of the K3 Owners Manual. Bob NW8L On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:11 PM, JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote: I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near accurate, but where is that EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual? Jim/nn6ee PS, Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US ARE IT GENIUSES!!! Jim/nn6ee __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL???
Whatever you do: 1) Do NOT look at the K3 Owner's Manual 2) ESPECIALLY, do NOT look at the Contents 3) Really, do NOT look under the Configuration section in Contents 4) If it's the last thing you do, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES look at the Miscellaneous Setup line, which would indicate Page 47. 5) If, my some horrible mistake, you actually go to page 47, DO NOT READ the section where it says: Time and Date CONFIG:TIME sets the 24-hour real-time-clock (RTC). Tap 1 / 2 / 3 to adjust HH/MM/SS using VFO A. This URL shows UTC as well as all U.S. time zones: tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl CONFIG:DATE MD selects US (MM.DD.YY). or EU (DD.MM.YY) date format using VFO A. CONFIG:DATE is used to set the date. Tap 1 / 2 / 3 to adjust MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY. In my older version of the manual, it was found on page 44. ;-) 73, Steve NN4X -- in UPPERCASE, 'cause I'm proud of my callsign. Saint Cloud, Florida On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote: I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near accurate, but where is that EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual? Jim/nn6ee PS, Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US ARE IT GENIUSES!!! Jim/nn6ee __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL???
I echo this. I immediately downloaded the manual when I got my K3 in January and have saved countless moments of frustration by searching. Sometimes the keyword is not what you expect it to be and having the ability to electronically thumb through the manual is a huge plus. 73, Sid K3SX Were I you, I'd strongly consider downloading the PDF version of the Manual and then use Acrobat reader (free) to SEARCH for words (like CLOCK) within the PDF... a really EASY way to find subjects you can't find otherwise in the Manual. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
