Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
Having multiple nonpartisan executive officers in each regime to watch each other *may* reduce the corruption a bit. i.e. multiple sheriffs and public attorneys especially. The U.S.A. regime with only the Prez/VP being elected in the Fed executive branch via the timebomb minority rule Electoral College has become more and more super-dangerous since 1861/1929 -- compounded by various SCOTUS opinions making each Prez a LAWLESS monarch - emperor - tyrant -- especially regarding UN-declared foreign wars. i.e. one more const amdt - nonpartisan election of the U.S.A. Secretary of State, Attorney General, local U.S.A. Marshals and District Attys. Is there ANY moron State in the Union which ONLY elects a State Guv/Lt. Guv in the State's executive branch ??? Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
DNOW: You said: Again -- the minority may/will in most cases also be divided in real elections. Then Symmetrical ICT would be better than unimproved Condorcet methods such as Beatpath, etc., because SITC doesn't have the chicken dilemma. Elections for all elected executive officers and all judges MUST now be *NONPARTISAN* -- to END the super-dangerous New Age CULT stuff regarding New Age Prezs, State Guvs, local mayors, etc. (who seem to be getting more and more EVIL powermad corrupt). Nonpartisan elections wouldn't have any effect on the things that you describe in that paragraph. Party affiliation and endorsement tells people something about what policy platform a candidate espouses, recommends, proposes, offers or advocates. That's the most relevant thing about a candidate. When you speak of getting more corrupt, you're referring to Democrat and Republican candidates. Let's be clear about who's well-known to be corrupt: Democrat and Republican politicians.. Though they've been corrupt for a long time, I agree that they may well be getting more corrupt, as each successive presidential administration builds on the corruption-enhancing work of the previous administration. i.e. how many ex State Guvs and local mayors, etc. are in jail and/or facing major felony prosecutions ??? - think Illinois, Detroit, etc. i.e. How many UN-detected FELONS in public offices ??? Well, why shouldn't they be felons? They nearly always get away with it. Here's a new idea: Make elected officials subject to the law. Routinely put them in a penitentiary (an ordinary one, not a country-club) when they accept bribes, commit criminal fraud by violating, for money, the promises for which they were elected, or commit other crimes. The number of years of their sentences shouldn't be any less because they're officeholders. Mike Ossipoff Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
DNOW: Be more specific about your suggestion for dealing with divided majority. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM, dn...@aol.com wrote: Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts Divided Majorities Standard divided majority problem - A, B and Z 26 ABZ 25 BAZ 49 Z?? Is A or B the lesser of evils for some Z voters ??? With more choices, both the majority and minority will likely be even more divided. - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts Each voter has N-1 numbered nominal *YES* votes for N choices. Total the YES votes for each choice. The votes for each loser get shifted left. Repeat until the number to be elected remain. Example - 10 candidates, elect 1 9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 = 9 elimination rounds with vote shifts left. Related matter - majority votes for filling number blanks. Example- Percent of GDP for taxes -- 0 to 100 percent in 1 percent units. Each legislator/voter picks a percentage Report the votes per percentage. Accumulate from 100 downward to get a bare majority of the total votes. i.e. NO endless amendments about filling number blanks. Yes, choosing the median of all the proposed values is a good way of making a numerical choice. ...probably, unless it would have a problem that I don't know about. The public could thereby vote directly on such things as the various marginal tax-rates, for various income-brackets; and on budget priorities. Michael Ossipoff Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
I'd said: Yes, choosing the median of all the proposed values is a good way of making a numerical choice. ...probably, unless it would have a problem that I don't know about. The public could thereby vote directly on such things as the various marginal tax-rates, for various income-brackets; and on budget priorities. [endquote] We'd find a very different tax rate structure, and a very different budget, wouldn't we. Ones actually chosen by us. Michael Ossipoff Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
In a message dated 9/18/12 9:28:22 AM, email9648742 writes: Be more specific about your suggestion for dealing with divided majority. --- The Number Votes Matrix - Left Votes Shifts is for a zillion divided majority examples. Another one - 18 ABCZ 17 BCAZ 16 CABZ 49 Z??? 100 Which of A, B or C is the perceived least EVIL for the Z voters ??? Again -- the minority may/will in most cases also be divided in real elections. Elections for all elected executive officers and all judges MUST now be *NONPARTISAN* -- to END the super-dangerous New Age CULT stuff regarding New Age Prezs, State Guvs, local mayors, etc. (who seem to be getting more and more EVIL powermad corrupt). i.e. how many ex State Guvs and local mayors, etc. are in jail and/or facing major felony prosecutions ??? - think Illinois, Detroit, etc. i.e. How many UN-detected FELONS in public offices ??? Related matter - The DARK AGE executive veto must be abolished - a vestige of the EVIL divine right of kings stuff. Mother Earth belongs to the living and NOT to the dead (who created all sorts of ANTI-Democracy stuff due to EVIL monarchy / oligarchy regimes in the EVIL past). Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
Related matter - majority votes for filling number blanks. Example- Percent of GDP for taxes -- 0 to 100 percent in 1 percent units. Each legislator/voter picks a percentage Report the votes per percentage. Accumulate from 100 downward to get a bare majority of the total votes. i.e. NO endless amendments about filling number blanks. It is not necessary to limit them to one percent units. Once each legislator/voter picks a percentage, if there are an odd number just find the median. If there are an even number, you decide beforehand which of the following you will do: - pick the lower of the two middlemost values - pick the higher of the two middlemost values - average the two middlemost values I prefer either the lower or the higher middlemost, because such order statistics are strategy-proof. That is, assuming each voter's utility is a single-peaked function of the output grade (and they aim to maximize their utility), each voter's dominant strategy is to submit the percentage that maximizes their utility. In other words, this method incentivizes honesty. (If some voters aim to do something other than maximize their utility, like ruin the process or be the one who submitted the median value, then things are not so simple...) I have been thinking this for a while, and I would love to see it implemented for precisely the situation you describe: the legislature, or even the voters directly, choosing the overall tax rate. ~ Andy Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
Re: [EM] Divided Majorities - Number Votes Matrix - Left Vote Shifts
On 09/18/2012 06:18 AM, Andy Jennings wrote: I have been thinking this for a while, and I would love to see it implemented for precisely the situation you describe: the legislature, or even the voters directly, choosing the overall tax rate. You might want to build in some hysteresis so that the voters couldn't, even theoretically, one year mandate a 100% tax rate and then, the next, a 0% rate. (Similar measures might also be used to mitigate short-term populism where elections are frequent. In an electronic proxy voting situation, for instance, it may be useful to have the proxies not lose/gain all their power at once when someone subscribes/unsubscribes, but to more slowly lose/gain that power.) Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
