Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
Here's the link to Sam's comment: permalinkhttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/15luo5/compiz_developer_ends_development_looking_onwards/c7nrme0 and his original blog post: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/ On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Allen Lowe lallenl...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, link? On Dec 29, 2012 4:02 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: I think Mutter (and even Shell) does currently run on Wayland. But I could be wrong. Sam gave us a shout out on Reddit for using LibMutter saying that having two shells (GNOME and Pantheon) on one WM implementation is the way forward. Best Regards, Daniel Foré El dic 29, 2012, a las 10:26 a.m., Cody Garver c...@elementaryos.org escribió: Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope libmutter will do all the wayland work for us? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Sergey \Shnatsel\ Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/ Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at all. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
I'm not that happy to hear this unlike Alfredo, but I really hope Ubuntu stops making Unity as a Compiz plugin, it was one of their worst decisions ever. Unity should be a WM itself. Right now, the whole Ubuntu desktop is a *dirty hack*, unlike on elementary OS, where our structure is clean and functional. David Munchor Gomes On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote: Hey guys I dunno if you saw, but Sam has announced that he's kind of done with Compiz. His reasoning is that there's nothing special that Compiz does that couldn't be done better by having some kind of library that one would use to create specific WM implementations. Basically his reasoning is that we should share a common code base for the important parts. In other words, we need to start thinking about moving away from Compiz. Seeing as we've been known to look to the future, I think we should head Sam's advice and reach out to other desktops to... Oh wait. LibMutter. Gala. Good call guys ;) ahead of the curve as always. Best Regards, Daniel Foré -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/ Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at all. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope libmutter will do all the wayland work for us? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Sergey \Shnatsel\ Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/ Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at all. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
2012/12/29 Cody Garver c...@elementaryos.org Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope libmutter will do all the wayland work for us? It will, but it won't be as optimized/fast/lightweight as Weston is. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
Well, maybe happy is not the right word. What I mean is the same as you, I that Unity, for instance, is not optimal as elementary OS and GNOME Shell are. As you said, Compiz workarounds feel just like a dirty hack. On 29 Dec 2012 19:11, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: I'm not that happy to hear this unlike Alfredo, but I really hope Ubuntu stops making Unity as a Compiz plugin, it was one of their worst decisions ever. Unity should be a WM itself. Right now, the whole Ubuntu desktop is a *dirty hack*, unlike on elementary OS, where our structure is clean and functional. David Munchor Gomes On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote: Hey guys I dunno if you saw, but Sam has announced that he's kind of done with Compiz. His reasoning is that there's nothing special that Compiz does that couldn't be done better by having some kind of library that one would use to create specific WM implementations. Basically his reasoning is that we should share a common code base for the important parts. In other words, we need to start thinking about moving away from Compiz. Seeing as we've been known to look to the future, I think we should head Sam's advice and reach out to other desktops to... Oh wait. LibMutter. Gala. Good call guys ;) ahead of the curve as always. Best Regards, Daniel Foré -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead
I think Mutter (and even Shell) does currently run on Wayland. But I could be wrong. Sam gave us a shout out on Reddit for using LibMutter saying that having two shells (GNOME and Pantheon) on one WM implementation is the way forward. Best Regards, Daniel Foré El dic 29, 2012, a las 10:26 a.m., Cody Garver c...@elementaryos.org escribió: Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope libmutter will do all the wayland work for us? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Sergey \Shnatsel\ Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/ Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at all. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
