Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Alfredo Hernández]

I'm very happy to hear this,  Compiz is old and most of its code are cool
things to show how cool can the GNU/Linux desktop (e.g., desktop 3D cubes,
fire animation on drop down menus, etc.) - which, in my opinion is useless
-.

It is time to start making beautiful yet useful WM; Gala and Mutter are
excellent exemples.
On 29 Dec 2012 18:55, "Daniel Foré"  wrote:

> Hey guys
>
> I dunno if you saw, but Sam has announced that he's kind of done with
> Compiz. His reasoning is that there's nothing special that Compiz does that
> couldn't be done better by having some kind of library that one would use
> to create specific WM implementations. Basically his reasoning is that we
> should share a common code base for the important parts.
>
> In other words, we need to start thinking about moving away from Compiz.
>
> Seeing as we've been known to look to the future, I think we should head
> Sam's advice and reach out to other desktops to...
>
> Oh wait. LibMutter. Gala.
>
> Good call guys ;) ahead of the curve as always.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel Foré
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[David Gomes]

I'm not that happy to hear this unlike Alfredo, but I really hope Ubuntu
stops making Unity as a Compiz plugin, it was one of their worst decisions
ever. Unity should be a WM itself. Right now, the whole Ubuntu desktop is a
*dirty hack*, unlike on elementary OS, where our structure is clean and
functional.

David "Munchor" Gomes


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:

> Hey guys
>
> I dunno if you saw, but Sam has announced that he's kind of done with
> Compiz. His reasoning is that there's nothing special that Compiz does that
> couldn't be done better by having some kind of library that one would use
> to create specific WM implementations. Basically his reasoning is that we
> should share a common code base for the important parts.
>
> In other words, we need to start thinking about moving away from Compiz.
>
> Seeing as we've been known to look to the future, I think we should head
> Sam's advice and reach out to other desktops to...
>
> Oh wait. LibMutter. Gala.
>
> Good call guys ;) ahead of the curve as always.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel Foré
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/

Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous
legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was
libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a
collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at
all.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Cody Garver]

Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope
libmutter will do all the wayland work for us?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" <
ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/

Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous
legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was
libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a
collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at
all.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2012/12/29 Cody Garver 

> Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope
> libmutter will do all the wayland work for us?
>

It will, but it won't be as optimized/fast/lightweight as Weston is.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Alfredo Hernández]

Well, maybe happy is not the right word. What I mean is the same as you, I
that Unity,  for instance,  is not optimal as elementary OS and GNOME Shell
are. As you said, Compiz workarounds feel just like a dirty hack.
On 29 Dec 2012 19:11, "David Gomes"  wrote:

> I'm not that happy to hear this unlike Alfredo, but I really hope Ubuntu
> stops making Unity as a Compiz plugin, it was one of their worst decisions
> ever. Unity should be a WM itself. Right now, the whole Ubuntu desktop is a
> *dirty hack*, unlike on elementary OS, where our structure is clean and
> functional.
>
> David "Munchor" Gomes
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:
>
>> Hey guys
>>
>> I dunno if you saw, but Sam has announced that he's kind of done with
>> Compiz. His reasoning is that there's nothing special that Compiz does that
>> couldn't be done better by having some kind of library that one would use
>> to create specific WM implementations. Basically his reasoning is that we
>> should share a common code base for the important parts.
>>
>> In other words, we need to start thinking about moving away from Compiz.
>>
>> Seeing as we've been known to look to the future, I think we should head
>> Sam's advice and reach out to other desktops to...
>>
>> Oh wait. LibMutter. Gala.
>>
>> Good call guys ;) ahead of the curve as always.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Daniel Foré
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Daniel Foré]

I think Mutter (and even Shell) does currently run on Wayland. But I could be 
wrong.

Sam gave us a shout out on Reddit for using LibMutter saying that having two 
shells (GNOME and Pantheon) on one WM implementation is the way forward. 

Best Regards,
Daniel Foré

El dic 29, 2012, a las 10:26 a.m., Cody Garver  escribió:

> Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope libmutter 
> will do all the wayland work for us?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/
>> 
>> Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous 
>> legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was 
>> libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a 
>> collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at all.
>> 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Allen Lowe]

Daniel, link?
On Dec 29, 2012 4:02 PM, "Daniel Foré"  wrote:

> I think Mutter (and even Shell) does currently run on Wayland. But I could
> be wrong.
>
> Sam gave us a shout out on Reddit for using LibMutter saying that having
> two shells (GNOME and Pantheon) on one WM implementation is the way
> forward.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel Foré
>
> El dic 29, 2012, a las 10:26 a.m., Cody Garver 
> escribió:
>
> Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope
> libmutter will do all the wayland work for us?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" <
> ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>
> Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/
>
> Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous
> legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was
> libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a
> collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at
> all.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Compiz is dead

[Daniel Foré]

Here's the link to Sam's comment:
permalink

and his original blog post:
http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Allen Lowe  wrote:

> Daniel, link?
> On Dec 29, 2012 4:02 PM, "Daniel Foré"  wrote:
>
>> I think Mutter (and even Shell) does currently run on Wayland. But I
>> could be wrong.
>>
>> Sam gave us a shout out on Reddit for using LibMutter saying that having
>> two shells (GNOME and Pantheon) on one WM implementation is the way
>> forward.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Daniel Foré
>>
>> El dic 29, 2012, a las 10:26 a.m., Cody Garver 
>> escribió:
>>
>> Rip in peace flame-bursting windows. Is it wishful thinking to hope
>> libmutter will do all the wayland work for us?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" <
>> ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>>
>> Prooflink: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sideways/
>>
>> Libmutter may be not as great as it sounds because it bears an enormous
>> legacy of X11 hacks and quirks back from Metacity days. I wish there was
>> libweston that worked like libmutter for wayland instead of weston being a
>> collection of completely random features that follow no UX guidelines at
>> all.
>>
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>> OS architect @ elementary
>>
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