Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Achim Gratz]

Bastien writes:
> I think Jason is not online this week-end, so we will have to
> live with it.

He has just fixed it and it works again with my old configuration.


Regards,
Achim.
-- 
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Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld:
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Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[John Hendy]

For firewalls (im behind one too) see if theres an https alternative. I
guess you solved this, but some might not be able to futz with proxies (or
shouldn't) at work :)
On Sep 21, 2012 5:50 PM, "Nick Dokos"  wrote:

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  wrote:
>
> > Bastien,
> >
> > I can't clone the orgweb repo:
> >
> > git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> > Cloning into 'orgweb'...
> > fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> >
> > Is the server is down?
> >
>
> I can't get to it either, but I am behind a firewall and have had
> problems with the socks proxy I usually use. After I switched proxies,
> I *was* able to do a git pull on the emacs repository though, so I
> suspect the fault is at orgmode.org's end.
>
> Nick
>
> > - Marcelo.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Bastien  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marcelo,
> >
> > glad you like the new website!  It's important to keep Org open
> > to non-developers, it is good if the website somehow advertizes
> > this attitude.
> >
> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  writes:
> >
> > > I can help with the Spanish and Portuguese versions, by the way.
> >
> > Great!
> >
> > ~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> > ~$ cd orgweb/
> > ~$ git branch orgweb-es
> > ~$ mkdir es/
> > ~$ cp *org es/
> >
> > [translate the es/*org files]
> >
> > ~$ git commit -m "Yeah! "es" translation done!"
> > ~$ git format-patch master
> >
> > ... then send me the patch(es).
> >
> > Should be one-hour max of work.
> >
> > Thanks in advance :)
> >
> > --
> >  Bastien
> >
> >
> > 
> > Alternatives:
> >
> > 
>
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Bastien]

Nick Dokos  writes:

> Just tell people to use http: instead of git: for now.

All right, you just did so.  Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Bastien  wrote:

> Yes, there is a problem here: only users with push access can 
> clone for now (and pull and push.)
> 
> I think Jason is not online this week-end, so we will have to
> live with it.
> 
> I've created clones of org-mode.git and orgweb.git on github:
> 
>   https://github.com/bzg/org-mode
>   https://github.com/bzg/orgweb
> 

Just tell people to use http: instead of git: for now.

Nick

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Bastien]

Yes, there is a problem here: only users with push access can 
clone for now (and pull and push.)

I think Jason is not online this week-end, so we will have to
live with it.

I've created clones of org-mode.git and orgweb.git on github:

  https://github.com/bzg/org-mode
  https://github.com/bzg/orgweb

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Nick Dokos  wrote:

> Eric Schulte  wrote:
> 
> > Nick Dokos  writes:
> > 
> > > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Bastien,
> > >> 
> > >> I can't clone the orgweb repo:
> > >> 
> > >> git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> > >> Cloning into 'orgweb'...
> > >> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> > >> 
> > >> Is the server is down?
> > >> 
> > >
> > > I can't get to it either, but I am behind a firewall and have had
> > > problems with the socks proxy I usually use. After I switched proxies,
> > > I *was* able to do a git pull on the emacs repository though, so I
> > > suspect the fault is at orgmode.org's end.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > orgmode.org was recently moved to a new machine, so you will have to
> > update any tools which check MAC addresses for things like man in the
> > middle attacks.  I did have to update my ~/.ssh/known_hosts this morning
> > to remove the old key.
> > 
> 
> I don't think that I have anything like that. The IP address resolves to
> 
> ,
> | $ host orgmode.org
> | orgmode.org has address 198.101.246.4
> | orgmode.org mail is handled by 0 deathroller.dunsmor.com.
> `
> 
> and I can get to http://orgmode.org, I just can't get to it through git:
> 
> ,
> | $ tsocks git clone git://orgmode.org/org-mode.git
> | Cloning into org-mode...
> | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> `
> 
> 
> > I've since been using the git repo on the orgmode server without
> > problem.
> > 
> 
> Presumably through ssh? If so, port 22 is open. I wonder if there is some
> restriction on the git port (9418 by default) though.
> 
> Nick
> 

One other data point: if I change the protocol to http in .git/config,
things are working - changing it back to git breaks it again:

,
| $ git pull
| From http://orgmode.org/org-mode
|ac9ed2a..5083790  maint  -> origin/maint
|23b30cd..34db1c2  master -> origin/master
| Updating 23b30cd..34db1c2
| Fast-forward
|  contrib/lisp/org-wikinodes.el |6 +++---
|  doc/org.texi  |   23 ---
|  lisp/Makefile |   13 +++--
|  lisp/org-agenda.el|2 +-
|  lisp/org-clock.el |3 ++-
|  lisp/org.el   |1 +
|  mk/targets.mk |9 +
|  7 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
| 
| # change it back to git:
| git pull
| fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
`

So it seems to me that either the git daemon is not running or the port
is unreachable.

Nick

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Eric Schulte  wrote:

> Nick Dokos  writes:
> 
> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  wrote:
> >
> >> Bastien,
> >> 
> >> I can't clone the orgweb repo:
> >> 
> >> git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> >> Cloning into 'orgweb'...
> >> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> >> 
> >> Is the server is down?
> >> 
> >
> > I can't get to it either, but I am behind a firewall and have had
> > problems with the socks proxy I usually use. After I switched proxies,
> > I *was* able to do a git pull on the emacs repository though, so I
> > suspect the fault is at orgmode.org's end.
> >
> 
> 
> orgmode.org was recently moved to a new machine, so you will have to
> update any tools which check MAC addresses for things like man in the
> middle attacks.  I did have to update my ~/.ssh/known_hosts this morning
> to remove the old key.
> 

I don't think that I have anything like that. The IP address resolves to

,
| $ host orgmode.org
| orgmode.org has address 198.101.246.4
| orgmode.org mail is handled by 0 deathroller.dunsmor.com.
`

and I can get to http://orgmode.org, I just can't get to it through git:

,
| $ tsocks git clone git://orgmode.org/org-mode.git
| Cloning into org-mode...
| fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
`


> I've since been using the git repo on the orgmode server without
> problem.
> 

Presumably through ssh? If so, port 22 is open. I wonder if there is some
restriction on the git port (9418 by default) though.

Nick

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Eric Schulte]

Nick Dokos  writes:

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  wrote:
>
>> Bastien,
>> 
>> I can't clone the orgweb repo:
>> 
>> git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
>> Cloning into 'orgweb'...
>> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
>> 
>> Is the server is down?
>> 
>
> I can't get to it either, but I am behind a firewall and have had
> problems with the socks proxy I usually use. After I switched proxies,
> I *was* able to do a git pull on the emacs repository though, so I
> suspect the fault is at orgmode.org's end.
>


orgmode.org was recently moved to a new machine, so you will have to
update any tools which check MAC addresses for things like man in the
middle attacks.  I did have to update my ~/.ssh/known_hosts this morning
to remove the old key.

I've since been using the git repo on the orgmode server without
problem.

Hope this helps,

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  wrote:

> Bastien,
> 
> I can't clone the orgweb repo:
> 
> git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> Cloning into 'orgweb'...
> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> 
> Is the server is down?
> 

I can't get to it either, but I am behind a firewall and have had
problems with the socks proxy I usually use. After I switched proxies,
I *was* able to do a git pull on the emacs repository though, so I
suspect the fault is at orgmode.org's end.

Nick

> - Marcelo.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Bastien  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcelo,
>
> glad you like the new website!  It's important to keep Org open
> to non-developers, it is good if the website somehow advertizes
> this attitude.
>
> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  writes:
>
> > I can help with the Spanish and Portuguese versions, by the way.
>
> Great!
>
> ~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> ~$ cd orgweb/
> ~$ git branch orgweb-es
> ~$ mkdir es/
> ~$ cp *org es/
>
> [translate the es/*org files]
>
> ~$ git commit -m "Yeah! "es" translation done!"
> ~$ git format-patch master
>
> ... then send me the patch(es).
>
> Should be one-hour max of work.
>
> Thanks in advance :)
>
> --
>  Bastien
> 
> 
> 
> Alternatives:
> 
> 

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Bastien,

I can't clone the orgweb repo:

git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
Cloning into 'orgweb'...
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly

Is the server is down?

- Marcelo.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Bastien  wrote:

> Hi Marcelo,
>
> glad you like the new website!  It's important to keep Org open
> to non-developers, it is good if the website somehow advertizes
> this attitude.
>
> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  writes:
>
> > I can help with the Spanish and Portuguese versions, by the way.
>
> Great!
>
> ~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
> ~$ cd orgweb/
> ~$ git branch orgweb-es
> ~$ mkdir es/
> ~$ cp *org es/
>
> [translate the es/*org files]
>
> ~$ git commit -m "Yeah! "es" translation done!"
> ~$ git format-patch master
>
> ... then send me the patch(es).
>
> Should be one-hour max of work.
>
> Thanks in advance :)
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Bastien]

Hi Marcelo,

glad you like the new website!  It's important to keep Org open
to non-developers, it is good if the website somehow advertizes
this attitude.

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  writes:

> I can help with the Spanish and Portuguese versions, by the way.

Great!  

~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git
~$ cd orgweb/
~$ git branch orgweb-es
~$ mkdir es/
~$ cp *org es/

[translate the es/*org files]

~$ git commit -m "Yeah! "es" translation done!"
~$ git format-patch master

... then send me the patch(es).

Should be one-hour max of work.

Thanks in advance :)

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

I can help with the Spanish and Portuguese versions, by the way.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <
celose...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the new design is more appealing to not-very-technical-people like
> graphic designers and other "knowledge-workers" that might not be
> coding-savvy, by the way.
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <
> celose...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bastien et al,
>>
>> Congrats on the new site! I really liked the minimalist concept, the
>> colors and the typography! It's much cleaner and much more attractive :)
>>
>> - Marcelo.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Bastien  wrote:
>>
>>> brian powell  writes:
>>>
>>> > --I just hope that whoever "wins the contest" creates web pages that
>>> > are "501 compliant" and everyone can read on any computer using any
>>> > operating system and browser and those webpages are as printable as a
>>> > Texinfo document.
>>>
>>> Even better: as the website is based on .org files, and as a new TeXinfo
>>> exporter will soon be in contrib/lisp/, you will be able to export each
>>> page of the website into a TeXinfo document.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Bastien
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

I think the new design is more appealing to not-very-technical-people like
graphic designers and other "knowledge-workers" that might not be
coding-savvy, by the way.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <
celose...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bastien et al,
>
> Congrats on the new site! I really liked the minimalist concept, the
> colors and the typography! It's much cleaner and much more attractive :)
>
> - Marcelo.
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Bastien  wrote:
>
>> brian powell  writes:
>>
>> > --I just hope that whoever "wins the contest" creates web pages that
>> > are "501 compliant" and everyone can read on any computer using any
>> > operating system and browser and those webpages are as printable as a
>> > Texinfo document.
>>
>> Even better: as the website is based on .org files, and as a new TeXinfo
>> exporter will soon be in contrib/lisp/, you will be able to export each
>> page of the website into a TeXinfo document.
>>
>> --
>>  Bastien
>>
>
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Bastien et al,

Congrats on the new site! I really liked the minimalist concept, the colors
and the typography! It's much cleaner and much more attractive :)

- Marcelo.

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Bastien  wrote:

> brian powell  writes:
>
> > --I just hope that whoever "wins the contest" creates web pages that
> > are "501 compliant" and everyone can read on any computer using any
> > operating system and browser and those webpages are as printable as a
> > Texinfo document.
>
> Even better: as the website is based on .org files, and as a new TeXinfo
> exporter will soon be in contrib/lisp/, you will be able to export each
> page of the website into a TeXinfo document.
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Bastien]

brian powell  writes:

> --I just hope that whoever "wins the contest" creates web pages that
> are "501 compliant" and everyone can read on any computer using any
> operating system and browser and those webpages are as printable as a
> Texinfo document.

Even better: as the website is based on .org files, and as a new TeXinfo
exporter will soon be in contrib/lisp/, you will be able to export each
page of the website into a TeXinfo document.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Bastien]

Nick Dokos  writes:

> Another goal should be ease of maintenance of the website: I'm sure
> neither Bastien nor Jason have infinite time to tweak things.

I confirm I don't have infinite time, but I do have ~infinite patience
for this kind of stuff.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Bastien]

Hi Marcelo,

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  writes:

> @Nick: I'm not a designer, more of a hybrid coder with some design
> foundations, but I'm definitely willing to help. I don't like the
> current layout because of it's overuse of shadows and its
> "web1"-style layout. Also, typography could use some improvement, and
> we could also use a better screenshot, to give a better first
> impression. 

If you have good ideas but no HTML/css skills, maybe you can find a
HTML/css who has no good ideas and work with him for the contest.

Best,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[brian powell]

* The site looks great as it is.

** Its supposed to be simple and simple-looking:

*** Go to: http://orgmode.org =>

Read the top line: "Org: Your Life in Plain Text"

*** Go to: http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html =>

Read the top line: "Org Mode - Organize Your Life In Plain Text!"

* Simplicity and portability is a huge part of the point of OrgMode right!?

* EMACS and TeX and Texinfo, etc. are great (partially) because they have
been ported to all platforms.

** So, if you make any changes, you should be able to convert the end
webpages to Texinfo
so they are readable and printable on all computers and printers.

--I just hope that whoever "wins the contest" creates web pages that are
"501 compliant" and everyone can read on any computer using any operating
system and browser and those webpages are as printable as a Texinfo
document.



On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <
celose...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Didn't mean to start any kind of flame.
>
> @Nick: I'm not a designer, more of a hybrid coder with some design
> foundations, but I'm definitely willing to help. I don't like the current
> layout because of it's overuse of shadows and its "web1"-style layout.
> Also, typography could use some improvement, and we could also use a better
> screenshot, to give a better first impression.
>
> - Marcelo.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Nick Dokos  wrote:
>
>> Nick Dokos  wrote:
>>
>> > Sankalp  wrote:
>> >
>> > > --f46d044401de1e3ad604c6de28a7
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> > >
>> > > I'm inclined to agree with Marcelo.
>> > > --
>> > > Sankalp
>> > >
>> > > ***
>> > > If humans could mate with software, I'd have org-mode's
>> > > babies.
>> > >   --- Chris League on Twitter.
>> > >http://orgmode.org/worg/org-quotes.html
>> > > ***
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 10 August 2012 04:44, Jude DaShiell 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Good, that probably means it's one of the more accessible and
>> usable web
>> > > > sites on the internet.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hey list,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the
>> current
>> > > > > design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did
>> not like
>> > > > > the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more
>> org
>> > > > > capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My two cents and food for thought,
>> > > > >
>> >
>> > Talk is cheap: how would you improve it? And I don't mean generalities:
>> build
>> > a website as you think it should be and then invite us over to take a
>> look.
>> > And  as Jude suggests, don't forget to keep accessibility/usability
>> issues
>> > in mind as you design.
>> >
>> > Nick
>> >
>>
>> It has been pointed out to me that my comments might be taken as
>> "overbearing".  Not my intent, but I will take back the "talk is
>> cheap" part (or repeat it to myself as the target this time) and
>> apologize for it: I should have reread the mail before hitting send.
>>
>> But the larger point is still there: "I don't like it" is a legitimate
>> response, but is not nearly as helpful as giving a list of reasons
>> of *why* you don't like it. And providing something you *like* is even
>> better. E.g. would the current design with the previous screen shot be
>> OK? Or are there deeper problems?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> Didn't mean to start any kind of flame.
> 

You did not. I didn't mean to either but my comment could be taken as
inflammatory, hence my apology.

> @Nick: I'm not a designer, more of a hybrid coder with some design
> foundations, but I'm definitely willing to help. I don't like the
> current layout because of it's overuse of shadows and its "web1"-style
> layout. Also, typography could use some improvement, and we could also
> use a better screenshot, to give a better first impression. 

Neither am I: I generally am happy when I can get to the information I
need - I don't care how the page looks but I realize I'm very much in
the minority here. FWIW, I'm happy with the website as it is.

Perhaps a useful distinction is between content and appearance (the
latter to be taken care of by CSS mostly). The shadows and typography
are appearance only - the screenshot is more content-like (and btw,
there are multiple screenshots so you can reload the page and get
another view of org's capabilities - there is no visible indication of
that however). 

Another goal should be ease of maintenance of the website: I'm sure
neither Bastien nor Jason have infinite time to tweak things.

Nick

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Hey guys,

Didn't mean to start any kind of flame.

@Nick: I'm not a designer, more of a hybrid coder with some design
foundations, but I'm definitely willing to help. I don't like the current
layout because of it's overuse of shadows and its "web1"-style layout.
Also, typography could use some improvement, and we could also use a better
screenshot, to give a better first impression.

- Marcelo.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Nick Dokos  wrote:

> Nick Dokos  wrote:
>
> > Sankalp  wrote:
> >
> > > --f46d044401de1e3ad604c6de28a7
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree with Marcelo.
> > > --
> > > Sankalp
> > >
> > > ***
> > > If humans could mate with software, I'd have org-mode's
> > > babies.
> > >   --- Chris League on Twitter.
> > >http://orgmode.org/worg/org-quotes.html
> > > ***
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10 August 2012 04:44, Jude DaShiell 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good, that probably means it's one of the more accessible and usable
> web
> > > > sites on the internet.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey list,
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the
> current
> > > > > design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did
> not like
> > > > > the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more
> org
> > > > > capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
> > > > >
> > > > > My two cents and food for thought,
> > > > >
> >
> > Talk is cheap: how would you improve it? And I don't mean generalities:
> build
> > a website as you think it should be and then invite us over to take a
> look.
> > And  as Jude suggests, don't forget to keep accessibility/usability
> issues
> > in mind as you design.
> >
> > Nick
> >
>
> It has been pointed out to me that my comments might be taken as
> "overbearing".  Not my intent, but I will take back the "talk is
> cheap" part (or repeat it to myself as the target this time) and
> apologize for it: I should have reread the mail before hitting send.
>
> But the larger point is still there: "I don't like it" is a legitimate
> response, but is not nearly as helpful as giving a list of reasons
> of *why* you don't like it. And providing something you *like* is even
> better. E.g. would the current design with the previous screen shot be
> OK? Or are there deeper problems?
>
> Nick
>
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Nick Dokos  wrote:

> Sankalp  wrote:
> 
> > --f46d044401de1e3ad604c6de28a7
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > I'm inclined to agree with Marcelo.
> > --
> > Sankalp
> > 
> > ***
> > If humans could mate with software, I'd have org-mode's
> > babies.
> >   --- Chris League on Twitter.
> >http://orgmode.org/worg/org-quotes.html
> > ***
> > 
> > 
> > On 10 August 2012 04:44, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> > 
> > > Good, that probably means it's one of the more accessible and usable web
> > > sites on the internet.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey list,
> > > >
> > > > Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the 
> > > > current
> > > > design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did not 
> > > > like
> > > > the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more org
> > > > capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
> > > >
> > > > My two cents and food for thought,
> > > >
> 
> Talk is cheap: how would you improve it? And I don't mean generalities: build
> a website as you think it should be and then invite us over to take a look.
> And  as Jude suggests, don't forget to keep accessibility/usability issues
> in mind as you design.
> 
> Nick
> 

It has been pointed out to me that my comments might be taken as
"overbearing".  Not my intent, but I will take back the "talk is
cheap" part (or repeat it to myself as the target this time) and
apologize for it: I should have reread the mail before hitting send.

But the larger point is still there: "I don't like it" is a legitimate
response, but is not nearly as helpful as giving a list of reasons
of *why* you don't like it. And providing something you *like* is even
better. E.g. would the current design with the previous screen shot be
OK? Or are there deeper problems?

Nick

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Jambunathan K]

> how would you improve it? 

I will probably make Worg Wikipedia-like 
  1. Quick navigation to one side.
  2. TOC on top and bounded.
  3. A header bar, maybe.
  4. A bigger font.

One can start with pedia.css provided by Emacswiki.  

I have followed this trail - Org as a Wiki and a personal information
portal - a bit for last few weeks.

If Wiki-like style is not agreeable one can go with a style like this:
http://mah.everybody.org/books/.  There is some simple understated
elegance to that page that is quite appealing.  It is the presence of
margins on either side that makes the page look solemn and respectable.
-- 

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Nick Dokos]

Sankalp  wrote:

> --f46d044401de1e3ad604c6de28a7
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm inclined to agree with Marcelo.
> --
> Sankalp
> 
> ***
> If humans could mate with software, I'd have org-mode's
> babies.
>   --- Chris League on Twitter.
>http://orgmode.org/worg/org-quotes.html
> ***
> 
> 
> On 10 August 2012 04:44, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> 
> > Good, that probably means it's one of the more accessible and usable web
> > sites on the internet.
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> >
> > > Hey list,
> > >
> > > Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the current
> > > design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did not like
> > > the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more org
> > > capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
> > >
> > > My two cents and food for thought,
> > >

Talk is cheap: how would you improve it? And I don't mean generalities: build
a website as you think it should be and then invite us over to take a look.
And  as Jude suggests, don't forget to keep accessibility/usability issues
in mind as you design.

Nick

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Ista Zahn]

I love the orgmode website. If you want to see amateurish and not
attractive, take a look at http://www.r-project.org/ (I love R too,
but the website could use an update)

-Ista

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
 wrote:
> Hey list,
>
> Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the current
> design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did not like
> the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more org
> capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
>
> My two cents and food for thought,
>
> - Marcelo.
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Sankalp]

I'm inclined to agree with Marcelo.
--
Sankalp

***
If humans could mate with software, I'd have org-mode's
babies.
  --- Chris League on Twitter.
   http://orgmode.org/worg/org-quotes.html
***


On 10 August 2012 04:44, Jude DaShiell  wrote:

> Good, that probably means it's one of the more accessible and usable web
> sites on the internet.
>
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
>
> > Hey list,
> >
> > Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the current
> > design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did not like
> > the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more org
> > capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
> >
> > My two cents and food for thought,
> >
> > - Marcelo.
> >
>
> Support
> your local
> church or
> synagogue,
> worship at
> Bank Of
> America!
> 
>
> Jude 
> 
>
>
>

Re: [O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Jude DaShiell]

Good, that probably means it's one of the more accessible and usable web 
sites on the internet.

On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:

> Hey list,
> 
> Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the current
> design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did not like
> the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more org
> capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.
> 
> My two cents and food for thought,
> 
> - Marcelo.
> 

Support
your local
church or
synagogue,
worship at
Bank Of
America!


Jude 

[O] [OT] Current website not very attractive

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Hey list,

Don't want to be negative, but doesn't anyone else also think the current
design is kind of amateurish and not very attractive? I also did not like
the screenshot used, I preferred the previous one, it showed more org
capabilities, and the colors and indentation looked better.

My two cents and food for thought,

- Marcelo.