Re: [O] Org-Mode Reference Card bug
Bastien, Bastien wrote: Sebastien Vauban writes: Now, maybe you're hit by a feature here: when setting `org-hide-emphasis-markers' to t, some `@' disappear from the formula (as you see them, while they're there: enable visible-mode and check it!). Why would @ disappear with `org-hide-emphasis-markers' set to t? They should not visually disappear, but they do. Consider the following formula line: |---+---| | | | |---+---| #+TBLFM: @1$1=vsum(@-I..@-II) It becomes this: #+TBLFM: 1$1=vsum(-I..@-II) ^^ when `org-hide-emphasis-markers' is turned on. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] Org-Mode Reference Card bug
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgwmuf-genee64ty+gs+fvcfc7...@public.gmane.org writes: They should not visually disappear, but they do. No... chances are that it comes from your configuration. Please always assume it does first, then provide a recipe if it's with emacs -Q. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-Mode Reference Card bug
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hello Frank and Nick, Nick Dokos wrote: Frank Mueller fm.em...@web.de wrote: Just a remark to the Org-Mode Reference Card (http://orgmode.org/orgcard.pdf). There is a little bug in the spreadsheet description. wrong: sum from 2nd to 3rd hline |:=vsum(@II..@III)| correct: sum from 2nd to 3rd hline |:=vsum(@II..III)| The second at symbol must be deleted for correct working. Why do you think so? I second Nick: your proposition is wrong; it can't work like that. I heard from Frank privately: there was another error in the formula and he thought he had to get rid of the second @ to make it work. That's not correct: the @III form works fine However, the formula without the @ in front of III *also* works in this case. I don't know whether that's an accident or intended behavior. Nick Now, maybe you're hit by a feature here: when setting `org-hide-emphasis-markers' to t, some `@' disappear from the formula (as you see them, while they're there: enable visible-mode and check it!). Is this what happens to you? That's a feature... Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] Org-Mode Reference Card bug
Bastien,
Bastien wrote:
Sebastien Vauban writes:
They should not visually disappear, but they do.
No... chances are that it comes from your configuration. Please always
assume it does first, then provide a recipe if it's with emacs -Q. Thanks!
Yes, it does. I still had the following code, from when `@' was unofficially
supported in Beamer to render alert calls:
--8---cut here---start-8---
(defface my/org-alert-face
'((t (:weight bold :foreground black :foreground #FF)))
Face used to display alert'ed items.)
(add-to-list 'org-emphasis-alist
'(@ my/org-alert-face span class=\alert\ /span))
(add-to-list 'org-export-latex-emphasis-alist
'(@ \\alert{%s} nil))
--8---cut here---end---8---
Without that, the problem disappears.
Sorry for the noise.
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] org-mode not working properly after update
Hi, After another update of emacs today, org-mode is working fine now it seems. Thanks - *Sanjib Sikder *
Re: [O] Org-Mode Reference Card bug
Frank Mueller fm.em...@web.de wrote: Just a remark to the Org-Mode Reference Card (http://orgmode.org/orgcard.pdf). There is a little bug in the spreadsheet description. wrong: sum from 2nd to 3rd hline |:=vsum(@II..@III)| correct: sum from 2nd to 3rd hline |:=vsum(@II..III)| The second at symbol must be deleted for correct working. Why do you think so? Nick
Re: [O] Org-mode syntax support of github: overview
Hi Karl, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: If you don't want to tryerror by yourself, take a look at github-orgmode-tests[2] where you can see, what works and what doesn't work (yet). HTH 1. https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby 2. https://github.com/novoid/github-orgmode-tests Thanks for the link above, I hope it will help with the further development of org-ruby and its use on github. I also would love to see .org files supported on gitorious.org, if someone feels like contacting them and to ask for this, feel free! -- Bastien
Re: [O] org-mode not working properly after update
Sanjib Sikder sanjibju2...@gmail.com writes: Hi, Hi Sanjib, Org-mode is not working properly after I updated my Ubuntu 12.04 yesterday. During the update, emacs also got updated. The .org files look like plain text file, for example, no tree structure, no folding etc. Does `M-x org-mode RET' activate Org Mode after you've opened the file? Do you have « (\\.org\\' . org-mode) » in auto-mode-alist? (check with `C-h v auto-mode-alist RET') -- Daimrod/Greg pgpx8IeSCBN5j.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] org-mode not working properly after update
Hi Sanjib, Sanjib Sikder wrote: Org-mode is not working properly after I updated my Ubuntu 12.04 yesterday. During the update, emacs also got updated. The .org files look like plain text file, for example, no tree structure, no folding etc. Please help. Could it be related to the bug I reported to Emacs this noon? ╭ │ From: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com │ Subject: bug#13820: 24.3.50; Cannot switch to Org mode │ Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug │ To: 13...@debbugs.gnu.org │ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:06:58 +0100 (4 hours, 8 minutes, 53 seconds ago) │ │ Hello, │ │ Opening any Org file (that I tried so far) leaves me in text mode. │ │ Note -- I've mapped Org mode to the txt file extension. │ │ The error displayed in the Messages buffer is: │ │ File mode specification error: (wrong-type-argument symbolp (autoload org-agenda Activate appointments found in `org-agenda-files'. │ With a \\[universal-argument] prefix, refresh the list of │ appointments. │ │ If FILTER is t, interactively prompt the user for a regular │ expression, and filter out entries that don't match it. │ │ If FILTER is a string, use this string as a regular expression │ for filtering entries out. │ │ If FILTER is a function, filter out entries against which │ calling the function returns nil. This function takes one │ argument: an entry from `org-agenda-get-day-entries'. │ │ FILTER can also be an alist with the car of each cell being │ either 'headline or 'category. For example: │ │ '((headline \IMPORTANT\) │ (category \Work\)) │ │ will only add headlines containing IMPORTANT or headlines │ belonging to the \Work\ category. │ │ ARGS are symbols indicating what kind of entries to consider. │ By default `org-agenda-to-appt' will use :deadline, :scheduled │ and :timestamp entries. See the docstring of `org-diary' for │ details and examples. │ │ If an entry has a APPT_WARNTIME property, its value will be used │ to override `appt-message-warning-time'. │ │ (fn optional REFRESH FILTER rest ARGS) t nil)) │ │ This problem does not show up with neither Emacs 24.2.91 nor Emacs 24.2.93, │ well with Emacs 24.3.50 (file emacs-trunk-r111822-20130217-w32-i386.zip, │ compiled by Dani, 9 days ago). │ │ See a comparative demo between Emacs 24.2.91 (working) and Emacs 24.3.50 │ (failing) on http://screencast.com/t/6QQN6t7qy. │ │ In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.2.9200) │ of 2013-02-17 on VBOX-W7 │ Bzr revision: 111822 r...@gnu.org-20130217190146-mm9bh3227ev56bus │ │ -- │ Sebastien Vauban ╰ And here's Bastien's answer on that: ╭ │ From: Bastien b...@altern.org │ Subject: bug#13820: 24.3.50; Cannot switch to Org mode │ Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug │ To: Sebastien Vauban public-wxhgmqzgwmuf-genee64ty+gs+fvcfc7...@plane.gmane.org │ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:39:14 +0100 (1 hour, 36 minutes, 46 seconds ago) │ │ Hi Sébastien, │ │ Sebastien Vauban │ wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: │ │ File mode specification error: (wrong-type-argument symbolp │ (autoload org-agenda Activate appointments found in │ `org-agenda-files'. With a \\[universal-argument] prefix, refresh │ the list of appointments. │ │ This autoload should not be in org-agenda.el, I've removed it from │ Org's maint branch, which I will sync with Emacs emacs-24 branch │ tonight. │ │ It will probably fix your problem. │ │ -- │ Bastien ╰ Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] org-mode not working properly after update
Hi Sanjib, Daimrod daim...@gmail.com writes: Org-mode is not working properly after I updated my Ubuntu 12.04 yesterday. During the update, emacs also got updated. The .org files look like plain text file, for example, no tree structure, no folding etc. Does `M-x org-mode RET' activate Org Mode after you've opened the file? Do you have « (\\.org\\' . org-mode) » in auto-mode-alist? (check with `C-h v auto-mode-alist RET') And do not forget to give us the Emacs and Org versions M-x emacs-version RET M-x org-version RET Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] org-mode not working properly after update
Hi, Just now I noticed, the tree structure is working, but it is not hiding the stars. All texts are black in color. The links are literal like following. [[file:myfile.org][myfile]] Does `M-x org-mode RET' activate Org Mode after you've opened the file? The above command does not improve the matter. Do you have « (\\.org\\' . org-mode) » in auto-mode-alist? (check with `C-h v auto-mode-alist RET') The above command returned several lines. In one of the lines I found the following Value: ((\\.org$ . org-mode) M-x emacs-version RET GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.2) of 2013-02-25 on platinum, modified by Debian M-x org-version RET Org-mode version 7.9.3e (7.9.3e-3-gb07a9b @ /usr/share/emacs/24.3.50/lisp/org/) @ Sebastien Vauban I am not sure it is due to the reason you have mentioned or not. Thanks - *Sanjib Sikder ** *
Re: [O] Org-mode Talk in German
Hi Florian, thanks for the in-depth presentation -- I need to practice my german, but Google translate helped a bit. I added the presentation on the website: http://orgmode.org/talks.html Best, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode Talk in German
Hi Florian, Florian Adamsky wrote: mid last year, I held a talk about Emacs Org-mode at a small hacker conference in Germany called Gulaschprogrammiernacht (GPN12) with the title Emacs Org-mode - der hackbare Notizblock in Plaintext (engl. the hackable notepad in plain text). The organization of this event recorded my talk and uploaded it to YouTube [1]. Maybe this is a talk which can be added to the org-mode talks page. My slides are also online [2] if anyone is interested. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUSoo4UaKBo [2] http://florian.adamsky.it/research/talks/gpn12/GPN12-Emacs-Org-mode.pdf Very, very nice slides[1]. I guess Beamer? Coult it be Org beamer? Anyway, is your source as well available? I'd like to steal some styling stuff (if permitted) ;-) Best regards, Seb [1] And nice font as well: which one is it? -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] org-mode git, el-get, recently many functions' defintion void
Hi Jeff, Try removing contrib/lisp from the load path in el-get's org-mode recipe. It resolved the missing org-element-context issue for me. Cheers, Maciek diff --git a/recipes/org-mode.rcp b/recipes/org-mode.rcp index 32d988e..daf5e41 100644 --- a/recipes/org-mode.rcp +++ b/recipes/org-mode.rcp @@ -12,4 +12,4 @@ (lambda (target) (list make target (concat EMACS= (shell-quote-argument el-get-emacs '(oldorg)) - :load-path (. lisp contrib/lisp)) + :load-path (. lisp)) On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Jeff Kowalczyk j...@yahoo.com wrote: I use emacs-24, org-mode from git, el-get from git. Each morning I update org-mode, make clean make. About 2-3 days ago, I noticed the org-export dispatcher wasn't working. Then I saw increasing functional areas of org returning errors re: function definition void: : org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c: Symbol's function definition is void: org-element-context : Updating dynamic block `clocktable' at line 100276... : org-clocktable-write-default: Symbol's function definition is void: org-table-align To eliminate possible interactions of recent changes. I've checked out org-mode from a week ago, and same with el-get. There is no change in the problem. I've removed el-get .loaddefs.el[c], and allowed them to regenerate. Any suggestions on how to debug? It certainly could be el-get and nothing to do with org-mode. Thanks, Jeff -- Maciek Starzyk
Re: [O] org-mode git, el-get, recently many functions' defintion void
Hi Jeff, Jeff Kowalczyk j...@yahoo.com writes: Any suggestions on how to debug? If you install Org from git and do a make clean make each day, then the only thing you need to make sure is that you setup the load-path correctly, early enough in your .emacs file. Do you have something like (add-to-list 'load-path ~/install/git/org-mode/lisp/) ? -- Bastien
Re: [O] org-mode and appointment notifications on Mac OS 10.8
Hi Sarah, Sarah Bagby ba...@geol.ucsb.edu writes: I'm posting in the hopes that this will be useful to others, and would welcome any feedback. I'm not using Mac OS but I guess this will be useful, I just posted a link to this email on http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org mode build failure
Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+linux at gmail.com writes: I am encountering the following build failure when I do `make compile': make[1]: Entering directory `/path/build/org-mode/lisp' rm -f org-version.el org-loaddefs.el org-version.elc org-loaddefs.elc org-install.elc install -m 644 -p . install: missing destination file operand after ‘.’ Try 'install --help' for more information. make[1]: *** [addcontrib] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/path/build/org-mode/lisp' make: *** [compile] Error 2 Any ideas what changed? The new exporter moved into core and the files you specified in ORG_ADD_CONTRIB are no longer existing there. Remove that definition and all is well. Regards, Achim.
Re: [O] Org mode build failure
Hi Achim, On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:15:14AM +, Achim Gratz wrote: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+linux at gmail.com writes: I am encountering the following build failure when I do `make compile': make[1]: Entering directory `/path/build/org-mode/lisp' rm -f org-version.el org-loaddefs.el org-version.elc org-loaddefs.elc org-install.elc install -m 644 -p . install: missing destination file operand after ‘.’ Try 'install --help' for more information. make[1]: *** [addcontrib] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/path/build/org-mode/lisp' make: *** [compile] Error 2 Any ideas what changed? The new exporter moved into core and the files you specified in ORG_ADD_CONTRIB are no longer existing there. Remove that definition and all is well. Thanks a lot, this works. I don't know how I missed that! -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] org-mode failing on org-mobile-push with error
Jeffrey Spencer jeffspenc...@gmail.com writes: This is the error I receive when running org-mobile-push. I think I only see the error when I open an agenda buffer and run the command. Then it creates two agenda buffers. The normal and the one labeled *SUMO* and I get the error below. What is the reason for this and there is a way to run org-mobile-push and alleviate this error? Saving all Org-mode buffers... done Copying files... OVERVIEW Writing index file... Writing checksums... Rebuilding agenda buffer...done org-mobile-push: Wrong type argument: window-live-p, #window 30 Cheers, Jeff What versions of org and emacs are you using? I'm using org mode 7.9.3c, and emacs 24.2, and don't get that error you are reporting. Dave
Re: [O] org-mode failing on org-mobile-push with error
I'm also using emacs 24.2, with org-mode 7.9.3d and do not get this error. Can you give more details? On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:01 PM, J. David Boyd da...@adboyd.com wrote: Jeffrey Spencer jeffspenc...@gmail.com writes: This is the error I receive when running org-mobile-push. I think I only see the error when I open an agenda buffer and run the command. Then it creates two agenda buffers. The normal and the one labeled *SUMO* and I get the error below. What is the reason for this and there is a way to run org-mobile-push and alleviate this error? Saving all Org-mode buffers... done Copying files... OVERVIEW Writing index file... Writing checksums... Rebuilding agenda buffer...done org-mobile-push: Wrong type argument: window-live-p, #window 30 Cheers, Jeff What versions of org and emacs are you using? I'm using org mode 7.9.3c, and emacs 24.2, and don't get that error you are reporting. Dave
Re: [O] org-mode failing on org-mobile-push with error
hi Jeff, I have the same behaviour. did you find any solution. br robin
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Without knowing any elisp, one symptom I see is that while preparing the export, the status line says org-agenda-finalize: Buffer is read-only: #buffer *SUMO* then the export stops. Can you test latest maint or master branch? I think I've fixed it. Thanks... Positively, where do I get that? I normally get my Orgs from git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git, is that the one you would be speaking of? Thanks, Dave
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Bastien b...@altern.org writes: da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Without knowing any elisp, one symptom I see is that while preparing the export, the status line says org-agenda-finalize: Buffer is read-only: #buffer *SUMO* then the export stops. Can you test latest maint or master branch? I think I've fixed it. Thanks... Positively, where do I get that? I normally get my Orgs from git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git, is that the one you would be speaking of? Thanks, Dave Turns out that one worked fine, and Org worked fine. Problem is resolved, thanks very much for all your efforts! Dave
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
J. David Boyd da...@adboyd.com wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org writes: da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Without knowing any elisp, one symptom I see is that while preparing the export, the status line says org-agenda-finalize: Buffer is read-only: #buffer *SUMO* then the export stops. Can you test latest maint or master branch? I think I've fixed it. Thanks... Positively, where do I get that? I normally get my Orgs from git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git, is that the one you would be speaking of? AFAIK, that's a mirror and may be out of date. The canonical place is git://orgmode.org/org-mode.git See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/35831/focus=35893 and the thread that it's part of. Nick
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: J. David Boyd da...@adboyd.com wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org writes: da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Without knowing any elisp, one symptom I see is that while preparing the export, the status line says org-agenda-finalize: Buffer is read-only: #buffer *SUMO* then the export stops. Can you test latest maint or master branch? I think I've fixed it. Thanks... Positively, where do I get that? I normally get my Orgs from git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git, is that the one you would be speaking of? AFAIK, that's a mirror and may be out of date. The canonical place is git://orgmode.org/org-mode.git See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/35831/focus=35893 and the thread that it's part of. Nick Thanks, that's where I'll go from now on
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Am 08.01.2013 12:31, schrieb Bastien: Hi everyone, I just released 7.9.3, which is a bugfix release but not only: I tried hard to speed up the agenda generation, and I hope you will see some progress in this area. As a test, try (setq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance nil) and see how your TODO agenda are doing... Details about this on the list of changes: http://orgmode.org/Changes.html#sec-1 You can get Org 7.9.3 by downloading the package here: http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.3.zip http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.3.tar.gz This will most probably be the version included in Emacs 24.3, which is still in pretest. I cannot insist enough: *thanks* to everyone who contributed to this release and who contributes actively to Org 8.0, we are making the Emacs world better! Cheers, Hi Bastien, thanks for the new release. Orgmode is getting better all the time! Speeding up the agenda generation is very welcome. I am just about to test it. What I now get is that the non-inherited tags are shown directly after the item text, that is the alignment to a certain column seems to be lost. Did you change that behaviour? Cheers, Rainer
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Hi Rainer, Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@online.de writes: What I now get is that the non-inherited tags are shown directly after the item text, that is the alignment to a certain column seems to be lost. Did you change that behaviour? I introduced a bug here, fixed now. Please continue to test heavily: Emacs is in pretest, and we'll release 7.9.4 soon if needed. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Am 08.01.2013 14:30, schrieb Bastien: Hi Rainer, Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@online.de writes: What I now get is that the non-inherited tags are shown directly after the item text, that is the alignment to a certain column seems to be lost. Did you change that behaviour? I introduced a bug here, fixed now. Please continue to test heavily: Emacs is in pretest, and we'll release 7.9.4 soon if needed. Thanks! Hi Bastien, works as expected! Agenda Performance is much faster now. Awesome! Thanks! Rainer
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@online.de writes: Agenda Performance is much faster now. Awesome! Glad to read this -- if 2 Org users spare 10 seconds each per day, that's more than 2 days of everyone's time spared per day... :) -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi everyone, I just released 7.9.3, which is a bugfix release but not only: I tried hard to speed up the agenda generation, and I hope you will see some progress in this area. As a test, try (setq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance nil) and see how your TODO agenda are doing... Details about this on the list of changes: http://orgmode.org/Changes.html#sec-1 You can get Org 7.9.3 by downloading the package here: http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.3.zip http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.3.tar.gz This will most probably be the version included in Emacs 24.3, which is still in pretest. I cannot insist enough: *thanks* to everyone who contributed to this release and who contributes actively to Org 8.0, we are making the Emacs world better! Cheers, Thanks for working so hard on this. Now however, I can't export my mobile-org data. It writes nothing to my define mobile-org directory. I'll see if I can find some time to dig into it a little deeper.. Dave
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi everyone, I just released 7.9.3, which is a bugfix release but not only: I tried hard to speed up the agenda generation, and I hope you will see some progress in this area. As a test, try (setq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance nil) and see how your TODO agenda are doing... Details about this on the list of changes: http://orgmode.org/Changes.html#sec-1 You can get Org 7.9.3 by downloading the package here: http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.3.zip http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.3.tar.gz This will most probably be the version included in Emacs 24.3, which is still in pretest. I cannot insist enough: *thanks* to everyone who contributed to this release and who contributes actively to Org 8.0, we are making the Emacs world better! Cheers, Thanks for working so hard on this. Now however, I can't export my mobile-org data. It writes nothing to my define mobile-org directory. I'll see if I can find some time to dig into it a little deeper.. Dave Without knowing any elisp, one symptom I see is that while preparing the export, the status line says org-agenda-finalize: Buffer is read-only: #buffer *SUMO* then the export stops. I've tried deleting the SUMO buffer, and running it again, but the same thing happens. If I go back to version 7.9.2, it works as it should... Dave
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.3
da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes: Without knowing any elisp, one symptom I see is that while preparing the export, the status line says org-agenda-finalize: Buffer is read-only: #buffer *SUMO* then the export stops. Can you test latest maint or master branch? I think I've fixed it. Thanks... -- Bastien
Re: [O] org-mode moves point in other window
Bastien: Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro writes: I've got a large org-mode (7.9.2, emacs 24.2.1) table and two windows, top and bottom. I shrink the upper window to only show the headline of my table and work in the lower window. When I move with tab in the lower window or recalculate the formula, the upper window moves its point to the formula. How can I make the upper window to remain as it is? Instead of splitting the window, you can create an indirect buffer. It will visually be equivalent, and the point in the upper window will not move when C-cC-c'ing on the formulas. Hi Bastien, thank you. First I tried to narrow the indirect buffer only to the headline of the table but then the point still jumped to the end of the table and enlarged the narrowing to the full table when the column width changed. Now I left the narrowing to include the full table and the point seem to remain where it is even on column resizes. Regards, Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
Re: [O] org-mode moves point in other window
Hi Thomas, Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro writes: I've got a large org-mode (7.9.2, emacs 24.2.1) table and two windows, top and bottom. I shrink the upper window to only show the headline of my table and work in the lower window. When I move with tab in the lower window or recalculate the formula, the upper window moves its point to the formula. How can I make the upper window to remain as it is? Instead of splitting the window, you can create an indirect buffer. It will visually be equivalent, and the point in the upper window will not move when C-cC-c'ing on the formulas. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-Mode menus not in text mode menu or lacarte
Hi Lennart, Lennart Fricke pge08...@studserv.uni-leipzig.de writes: Hello everybody, I was trying to use org-mode from console and realized that there are no Org-Mode menus when I open the text menu with f10 (tmm-menubar) or lacarte. Bug confirmed. Do you have an idea why there are not there. This is actually a bug in outline-mode, I'm now hunting this down. Thanks for reporting this, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-Mode menus not in text mode menu or lacarte
Hi Bastien! I don't think that it is necessary any more. It's a bug in tmm and lacarte. The keymap sturcture changed in Emacs 24. See http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12744 I also posted on DrewAdams emacswiki site. Best regards Lennart Fricke
Re: [O] Org-Mode menus not in text mode menu or lacarte
Hi Lennart, Lennart Fricke pge08...@studserv.uni-leipzig.de writes: I don't think that it is necessary any more. Good, thanks for the update! Best, PS: the emacs-devel team is great. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org Mode TOOD two way sync tool
Sriram Karra karra.etc at gmail.com writes: I am the author of ASynK (http://karra-asynk.appspot.com), a PIM sync tool and framework written in python that works across a variety of PIM providers such as Outlook, Google and BBDB. I am considering extending ASynK to do a bi-directional sync of Outlook tasks to Org Mode tasks. To be able to do this I need a working read/write API for reading and creating TODOs in org mode. Offline parsers My first preference is to be able to parser org files without required Emacs - this is the approach that I have implemented for BBDB sync. I considered PyOrgMode (https://github.com/bjonnh/PyOrgMode/network), but it appears unable to process TODOs, or even recurring events. To be able to extend PyOrgMode so I can read and write TODOs, I needed a full description of the format of TODO entries in all its forms. The Org manual itself has this information, I'm sure but scattered all over the place, given its real audience. Can someone point me to some sort of a concise representation, if any, of the org file format grammar? Hi, I'm the maintener and creator of PyOrgMode, some contributors (that I can't thanks enough there), added many TODO related enhancements to it. If you want to give it a try, we may be able to work together in getting your needs included in PyOrgMode.
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Hi Memnon, Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@googlemail.com writes: Probably my favorite: , | * New special property CLOCKSUM_T to display today's clocked time | | You can use CLOCKSUM_T the same way you use CLOCKSUM. It will | display the time spent on tasks for today only. ` Note that this was in 7.9 -- the release notes displayed on http://orgmode.org/Changes.html reflect all changes since 7.8.11. I've updated this page with a short explanation. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Hi Bastien, thanks for the release and the hard work. As for ELPA, the changelogs say add (add-to-list 'package-archives '(org . http://orgmode.org/elpa/;) t) to the emacs config. I am not a big fan of add-to-list for pure users config, since it fragments the those settings a little bit Instead I force myself of configuring it at a single place like (setq package-archives '((ELPA . http://tromey.com/elpa/;) (gnu . http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/;) (marmalade . http://marmalade-repo.org/packages/;) (org . http://orgmode.org/elpa/;) )) Not sure if this is really good or better, but I would like to point out as an alternative. Greetings Torsten On 30 September 2012 07:23, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Hi all, I've released Org 7.9.2. http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.2.zip http://orgmode.org/org-7.9.2.tar.gz See http://orgmode.org/Changes.html#sec-1 for the updated list of changes. Thanks again to all who contributed! Enjoy, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Hi Torsten, Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes: Not sure if this is really good or better, but I would like to point out as an alternative. As long as people have http://orgmode.org/elpa/ as the new Org ELPA repo, I don't really mind the way they add it :) -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Hi Bastien, On 30 September 2012 16:39, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: As long as people have http://orgmode.org/elpa/ as the new Org ELPA repo, I don't really mind the way they add it :) Sure, just made an update... org-version gives now Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/torsten/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/org-install.el) Is that intended? Started emacs again to be sure about it but the string remains the same Best, Torsten -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Torsten Wagner writes: just made an update... org-version gives now Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/torsten/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/org-install.el) This is not the version that is published on orgmode.org currently. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes: just made an update... org-version gives now Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/torsten/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/org-install.el) Is that intended? Did you restart Emacs? -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/torsten/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/org-install.el) This is not the version that is published on orgmode.org currently. Torsten updated from (Org) ELPA and this is the latest ELPA version. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes: just made an update... org-version gives now Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/torsten/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/org-install.el) Is that intended? Did you restart Emacs? Er... forget that. I'll try and let you know if I get the same. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@googlemail.com: , | * New special property CLOCKSUM_T to display today's clocked time | | You can use CLOCKSUM_T the same way you use CLOCKSUM. It will | display the time spent on tasks for today only. ` This is so *immensely* useful, thanks! Cool! I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Is it possible to show the CLOCKSUM_T value on the status line as well?
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Er... forget that. I'll try and let you know if I get the same. I just did this: emacs -Q Eval'ed this: (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(org . http://orgmode.org/elpa/;) t) M-x list-packages RET installed org-20120929 then M-x org-reload RET I get Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-elpa @ /home/guerry/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/) -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Bastien writes: Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/torsten/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/org-install.el) This is not the version that is published on orgmode.org currently. Torsten updated from (Org) ELPA and this is the latest ELPA version. I've checked just a minute ago and no, this is not what's currently up on Org ELPA = http://orgmode.org/elpa/build-org-pkg.txt. The version that's published (20120928) installs and reports just fine. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Q+, Q and microQ: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Hi Steinar, Steinar Bang s...@dod.no writes: Cool! I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Is it possible to show the CLOCKSUM_T value on the status line as well? Do you mean in the mode line? Nope, this is not possible. The clock mode line will be reworked for 8.0. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: I've checked just a minute ago and no, this is not what's currently up on Org ELPA = http://orgmode.org/elpa/build-org-pkg.txt. The version that's published (20120928) installs and reports just fine. That's because I updated the ELPA packages manually, not with the script which outputs this file. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Bastien writes: That's because I updated the ELPA packages manually, not with the script which outputs this file. That too. But there's also apparently a bug in package manager that no matter how often you refresh the package archives it will still show you the old version in the package menu until you restart emacs. So, a freshly restarted emacs will offer to update to version 20120929 now and another restart later it will correctly show org-version as: Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-elpaplus @ /home/gratz/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20120929/) So there must be another problem in Torsten's setup. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf Blofeld V1.15B11: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
onHi Bastien, h an entire kill of emacs (including emacs-server) and restart did not help. However, M-x org-reload did... figured out I had (require 'org-install) not set for some strange reason. It was set before using the Arch Linux git packages. Now it seems ok. Can confirm ELPA upgrade seems to work fine. Sorry for troubling. Torsten On 30 September 2012 17:10, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Er... forget that. I'll try and let you know if I get the same. I just did this: emacs -Q Eval'ed this: (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(org . http://orgmode.org/elpa/;) t) M-x list-packages RET installed org-20120929 then M-x org-reload RET I get Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-elpa @ /home/guerry/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20120929/) -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes: h an entire kill of emacs (including emacs-server) and restart did not help. However, M-x org-reload did... This is a symptom of Org being required before the Org package is loaded. Please check that you have (package-initialize) *before* any Org customization. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Bastien b...@altern.org: Steinar Bang s...@dod.no writes: Cool! I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Is it possible to show the CLOCKSUM_T value on the status line as well? Do you mean in the mode line? Yes. Nope, this is not possible. The clock mode line will be reworked for 8.0. Ok, thanks!
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9.2
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: I've released Org 7.9.2. [...] See http://orgmode.org/Changes.html#sec-1 for the updated list of changes. Excellent release! Probably my favorite: , | * New special property CLOCKSUM_T to display today's clocked time | | You can use CLOCKSUM_T the same way you use CLOCKSUM. It will | display the time spent on tasks for today only. ` This is so *immensely* useful, thanks! Memnon
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: There is an error in the float element (the : after right should really be a ;). Fixed, thanks. Also I would really appreciate if the CSS didn't specify absolute font sizes. I did improve things a bit. Please provide a patch if things are still not to your taste. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Achim Gratz writes: I haven't tested it yet, but the files are up already. The package description is loaded, buth then it doesn't install because the description vector is wrong. I've pushed a correction that at least works with a local copy of the archive directory. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: The package description is loaded, buth then it doesn't install because the description vector is wrong. I've pushed a correction that at least works with a local copy of the archive directory. I will test this on the server -- thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Although it should be possible to produce the package description vectors manually at the moment, I would like to avoid that. I went bold (wikipedia style) and made the change. See the commits related to mk/server.mk. I think this is good enough for now, but if you have a better solution, let me know. I'll ask Jason to install Emacs 24.2 if that's possible. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien writes: I went bold (wikipedia style) and made the change. See the commits related to mk/server.mk. Have you pushed it? Coz' I don't see it just yet… I think this is good enough for now, but if you have a better solution, let me know. I'll ask Jason to install Emacs 24.2 if that's possible. I'll have a look. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Waldorf MIDI Implementation additional documentation: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfDocs
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Bastien writes: I went bold (wikipedia style) and made the change. See the commits related to mk/server.mk. Have you pushed it? Coz' I don't see it just yet… Yes -- see the commits here: http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commit;h=0955505 http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commit;h=a1e645b http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commit;h=fdc795b I think this is good enough for now, but if you have a better solution, let me know. I'll ask Jason to install Emacs 24.2 if that's possible. I'll have a look. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien writes: Have you pushed it? Coz' I don't see it just yet… Yes -- see the commits here: Thanks. Gitk apparently refused to update its display even though I'd already updated the remotes. I haven't tested it yet, but the files are up already. BTW, can you check the CSS for the Org site? There is an error in the float element (the : after right should really be a ;). Also I would really appreciate if the CSS didn't specify absolute font sizes. Please leave it to the user to decide how big or small the fonts should be. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ DIY Stuff: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/DIY.html
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Bastien writes: However I suggest to lose the plural and just use `org-plus-contrib´. Yes, that's fine for me. Thanks, Implemented and pushed. Thanks! So is there some server-side action which needs to be taken for these packages and the archive-contents file to begin appearing online? Where will one point ELPA to use these new packages? E.g., ;; -*- emacs-lisp -*- (add-to-list 'package-archives '(Org-mode . http://orgmode.org/pkg/foo;)) Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Eric Schulte writes: So is there some server-side action which needs to be taken for these packages and the archive-contents file to begin appearing online? Yes, archive-contents is not currently produced. AFAIK the server is still running Emacs 23 and I don't know if package-x is available. Although it should be possible to produce the package description vectors manually at the moment, I would like to avoid that. Where will one point ELPA to use these new packages? E.g., ;; -*- emacs-lisp -*- (add-to-list 'package-archives '(Org-mode . http://orgmode.org/pkg/foo;)) When archive-contents gets created, the URL must likely will be http://orgmode.org/pkg, until then you need to download the tar file and do a package-install-file. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptations for KORG EX-800 and Poly-800MkII V0.9: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KorgSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Yes, archive-contents is not currently produced. AFAIK the server is still running Emacs�23 and I don't know if package-x is available. Although it should be possible to produce the package description vectors manually at the moment, I would like to avoid that. Where will one point ELPA to use these new packages? E.g., ;; -*- emacs-lisp -*- (add-to-list 'package-archives '(Org-mode . http://orgmode.org/pkg/foo;)) When archive-contents gets created, the URL must likely will be http://orgmode.org/pkg, until then you need to download the tar file and do a package-install-file. http://orgmode.org/pkg/ is fine. How is the GNU ELPA downloading org-*.tar currently? org-plus-contrib-*.tar should not be downloaded on elpa.gnu.org. So maybe we should have two directories? Let me know what I need to add on the server. Jason may also help by installing Emacs 24.2 if necessary. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Hi Markus, Markus Heller helle...@gmail.com writes: Anyhow, git *is* in my PATH, but I think my issue is that I don't know how to update a git repo from *within* emacs. Would you be able to give pointers please? M-x eshell RET ~$ cd install/git/org-mode ~$ git pull ... But I think I lost track of the initial problem, so maybe we are miscommunicating here. As long as your install is okay, I'll be okay. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Bastien writes: However I suggest to lose the plural and just use `org-plus-contrib´. Yes, that's fine for me. Thanks, Implemented and pushed. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Hi Markus, Markus Heller helle...@gmail.com writes: please forgive if this is an RTFM question, but how would I go about updating the org git archive from within emacs? This is what you are referring to, correct? If I may try to help -- Achim suggests that the directory where you have your git executable is not known by Emacs. Can you try this? M-x getenv RET PATH RET = [returns the directories in your PATH environment variable] M-! whereis git RET = [returns the path for your git executable] If the two are not in sync, then Emacs will not find your git executable and you'll not be able to update a git repo from Emacs. Does that help? -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Markus, Markus Heller helle...@gmail.com writes: please forgive if this is an RTFM question, but how would I go about updating the org git archive from within emacs? This is what you are referring to, correct? If I may try to help -- Achim suggests that the directory where you have your git executable is not known by Emacs. Can you try this? M-x getenv RET PATH RET = [returns the directories in your PATH environment variable] C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Git\cmd;C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\pub;C:\Program Files (x86)\sparky\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox;C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenBabel-2.3.1;C:\texmf\miktex\bin\x64 M-! whereis git RET = [returns the path for your git executable] 'whereis' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. If the two are not in sync, then Emacs will not find your git executable and you'll not be able to update a git repo from Emacs. So I don't use emacs under cygwin, and I guess this is why whereis doesn't work ... Anyhow, git *is* in my PATH, but I think my issue is that I don't know how to update a git repo from *within* emacs. Would you be able to give pointers please? Thanks Markus
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Markus, Markus Heller helle...@gmail.com writes: please forgive if this is an RTFM question, but how would I go about updating the org git archive from within emacs? This is what you are referring to, correct? If I may try to help -- Achim suggests that the directory where you have your git executable is not known by Emacs. Can you try this? M-x getenv RET PATH RET = [returns the directories in your PATH environment variable] C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Git\cmd;C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\pub;C:\Program Files (x86)\sparky\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox;C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenBabel-2.3.1;C:\texmf\miktex\bin\x64 M-! whereis git RET = [returns the path for your git executable] 'whereis' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. If the two are not in sync, then Emacs will not find your git executable and you'll not be able to update a git repo from Emacs. So whereis is not recognized, maybe because I'm not using cygwin ... But anyhow, git *is* in my PATH, and I think my issue really is that I don't know how to update a git repo *from within emacs*. Would you be able to provide some hints please? Thanks Markus
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien writes: However I suggest to lose the plural and just use `org-plus-contrib´. Yes, that's fine for me. Thanks, Implemented and pushed. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Waldorf MIDI Implementation additional documentation: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfDocs
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Markus Heller writes: BTW, how exactly did you update? A tarball should not need this and if it's a Git directory the version should be found automatically. Here are the steps: 1. git pull in ~/.emacs.d/org-mode 2. M-x org-reload Then Emacs apparently does not know how to call git (it probably can't be found in path), otherwise it would know the version from git. You should fix, that it would help to show the correct version number, for instance in bug reports. Achim, please forgive if this is an RTFM question, but how would I go about updating the org git archive from within emacs? This is what you are referring to, correct? I couldn't find any info on the org web pages ... Markus
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: I've just pushed a first implementation of an orgplus ELPA archive. thanks a lot and sorry to be late on this. I'll test this after tomorrow (I'm offline tomorrow), I'll try to set this up on the server then. If there are any direction you can think of, please email me in private. I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. There are now two ELPA packages — org and orgplus — that shouldn't be installed at the same time. Thinking again of it, I find orgplus confusing in this case. If a longer name is not a problem, I suggest org-with-contribs, it clearly state that this is org with contribs. There are dired+ and friends that are just extensions to dired (and friends), so orgplus would suggest this contains the extensions to Org. BTW, rolling more than one EPLA package per day is currently a bad idea. Agreed. I suggest having daily builds and deleting packages that are older than the last stable release. I'll update Jason on this. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte eric.schu...@gmx.com writes: Agreed, this would simply mean generating an archive-contents file on the Org-mode site which lists the latest org and orgplus archive. I'm not sure which elisp function is used to generate this file, but it could be done directly from the server.mk file with something like... # -*- Makefile -*- archive-contents: echo (1 (org . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\]) $; \ echo(orgplus . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\])) $; Bastien, does this sound like a good idea? Modulo the fixes provided by Achim, yes, I'll take care of this before the end of the week. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien writes: Thinking again of it, I find orgplus confusing in this case. If a longer name is not a problem, I suggest org-with-contribs, it clearly state that this is org with contribs. There are dired+ and friends that are just extensions to dired (and friends), so orgplus would suggest this contains the extensions to Org. At least in Emacs 24 the package manager would be able to display that name without cutting off the end. However I suggest to lose the plural and just use `org-plus-contrib´. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptations for KORG EX-800 and Poly-800MkII V0.9: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KorgSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: However I suggest to lose the plural and just use `org-plus-contrib´. Yes, that's fine for me. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Eric Schulte writes: Agreed, this would simply mean generating an archive-contents file on the Org-mode site which lists the latest org and orgplus archive. I'm not sure which elisp function is used to generate this file, but it could be done directly from the server.mk file with something like... # -*- Makefile -*- archive-contents: echo (1 (org . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\]) $; \ echo(orgplus . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\])) $; No, you'd need on the second line. Yup, good catch. BTW, I'm going to revert your change for removing PGK_REQ since you've done it in the wrong branch. I'd like to keep the PKG_REQ variable for possible future use, can you please test if the package archives that choke on nil can correctly deal with () or (())? Otherwise I'd leave the variable undefined, which results in the same thing as your patch. Please do go ahead and revert that commit. If we're hosting our own packages on orgmode.org, then I don't think we need to worry about conforming to the vagaries of other ELPA package parsers (in this case marmalade). I do think that leaving PKG_REQ undefined when there are no dependencies is the best of the options listed above. Thanks, Regards, Achim. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Markus Heller writes: worked like a charm, thanks!! BTW, how exactly did you update? A tarball should not need this and if it's a Git directory the version should be found automatically. Here are the steps: 1. git pull in ~/.emacs.d/org-mode 2. M-x org-reload Followed by the steps outlined on the web page pointed out by you. Cheers Markus
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Eric Schulte writes: Please do go ahead and revert that commit. Done, implemented in maint and merged back to master. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Markus Heller writes: BTW, how exactly did you update? A tarball should not need this and if it's a Git directory the version should be found automatically. Here are the steps: 1. git pull in ~/.emacs.d/org-mode 2. M-x org-reload Then Emacs apparently does not know how to call git (it probably can't be found in path), otherwise it would know the version from git. You should fix, that it would help to show the correct version number, for instance in bug reports. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf microQ V2.22R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
I'm not sure what providing the link entails. Does this mean coordinating with elpa.gnu.org so that orgplus becomes available through the gnu elpa? That sounds ideal. I was actually thinking of using orgmode.org as the package repository for orgplus. I don't think it is a good idea to provide both org and orgplus via ELPA as long as no negative dependencies can be expressed via the package manager. Agreed, this would simply mean generating an archive-contents file on the Org-mode site which lists the latest org and orgplus archive. I'm not sure which elisp function is used to generate this file, but it could be done directly from the server.mk file with something like... # -*- Makefile -*- archive-contents: echo (1 (org . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\]) $; \ echo(orgplus . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\])) $; Bastien, does this sound like a good idea? I'd love to finally get this package published. Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Eric Schulte writes: Agreed, this would simply mean generating an archive-contents file on the Org-mode site which lists the latest org and orgplus archive. I'm not sure which elisp function is used to generate this file, but it could be done directly from the server.mk file with something like... # -*- Makefile -*- archive-contents: echo (1 (org . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\]) $; \ echo(orgplus . [($(PKG_TAG)) nil \$(PKG_DOC)\])) $; No, you'd need on the second line. BTW, I'm going to revert your change for removing PGK_REQ since you've done it in the wrong branch. I'd like to keep the PKG_REQ variable for possible future use, can you please test if the package archives that choke on nil can correctly deal with () or (())? Otherwise I'd leave the variable undefined, which results in the same thing as your patch. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Markus Heller writes: What's going on? I did run M-x org-reload ... http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html#compiling-org-without-make Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Waldorf MIDI Implementation additional documentation: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfDocs
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Markus Heller writes: What's going on? I did run M-x org-reload ... http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html#compiling-org-without-make Hi Achim, worked like a charm, thanks!! Markus
Re: [O] Org-mode version N/A-fixup
Markus Heller writes: worked like a charm, thanks!! BTW, how exactly did you update? A tarball should not need this and if it's a Git directory the version should be found automatically. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Q+, Q and microQ: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Jambunathan K writes: Package manager will download and upgrade the dependency if needed. Yes. Bundle the exporters in to say org-extras*.tar or org-devel-*.tar and then have that package depend on the right version of org-*.tar. That would work if the package was missing. I've looked and looked, but I can't see how to specify that another package must _not_ be present. It appears that package manager doesn't provide for mutual exclusivity of packages. It is possible to block certain packages from loading via package-load-list, but again I don't see how to do that during package install. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
I vote we begin building the orgplus package daily and hosting it on orgmode.org. When the server pulls up to that revision it should automatically start to produce the orgplus archive. It is then a matter of providing the link so that it actually becomes accessible. I'm not sure what providing the link entails. Does this mean coordinating with elpa.gnu.org so that orgplus becomes available through the gnu elpa? That sounds ideal. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Eric Schulte writes: I'm not sure what providing the link entails. Does this mean coordinating with elpa.gnu.org so that orgplus becomes available through the gnu elpa? That sounds ideal. I was actually thinking of using orgmode.org as the package repository for orgplus. I don't think it is a good idea to provide both org and orgplus via ELPA as long as no negative dependencies can be expressed via the package manager. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien writes: Hmm… I'd rather avoid that since + is a reserved character in file names on some systems. How about orgplus? Looks fine to me. I've just pushed a first implementation of an orgplus ELPA archive. Publishing new packages only when maint has been changed will already reduce some possible confusion, because each org-MMDD.tar package will correspond to the same version. I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. There are now two ELPA packages — org and orgplus — that shouldn't be installed at the same time. I'm still thinking about Jambunathans suggestion to use package dependencies, but I don't think that will allow me to specify that a certain package version should not exist, either. BTW, rolling more than one EPLA package per day is currently a bad idea. There'd be multiple versions of that package with the same package version. We can't use the git status for this since it isn't orderable so the package manager wouldn't know when there's a new version. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Bastien writes: Hmm… I'd rather avoid that since + is a reserved character in file names on some systems. How about orgplus? Looks fine to me. I've just pushed a first implementation of an orgplus ELPA archive. This looks great, I can confirm that building and installing this package locally allows me to build other ELPA package that depend on functionality in contrib/. I vote we begin building the orgplus package daily and hosting it on orgmode.org. Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Eric Schulte writes: This looks great, I can confirm that building and installing this package locally allows me to build other ELPA package that depend on functionality in contrib/. Thanks for testing. I vote we begin building the orgplus package daily and hosting it on orgmode.org. When the server pulls up to that revision it should automatically start to produce the orgplus archive. It is then a matter of providing the link so that it actually becomes accessible. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptations for KORG EX-800 and Poly-800MkII V0.9: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KorgSDada
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Bastien writes: Let's take the easy road then. I'll work on that in maint, is this OK? Yes. Also, we currently build a new ELPA package each day, resulting in having a new ELPA version every day. We should have a new ELPA version each time there is a commit in maint, not every day. I'll see with Jason if we can install this. I'd suggest org+ as the name of the package. Hmm… I'd rather avoid that since + is a reserved character in file names on some systems. How about orgplus? Looks fine to me. Hosting it on something like orgmode.org/pkg/daily/elpa_ would do I guess, then the ELPA servers would have to download it. What I don't know is how to make sure that only one of these packages gets installed. It could become quite confusing if someone decides to install both and have different versions of them. The package manager knows to remove an older version of the same package, but I don't think you can tell it to remove a different package, so we need to educate the prospective user to do this. Suggestions? Publishing new packages only when maint has been changed will already reduce some possible confusion, because each org-MMDD.tar package will correspond to the same version. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Bastien writes: Let's take the easy road then. I'll work on that in maint, is this OK? I'd suggest org+ as the name of the package. Hmm… I'd rather avoid that since + is a reserved character in file names on some systems. How about orgplus? Hosting it on something like orgmode.org/pkg/daily/elpa_ would do I guess, then the ELPA servers would have to download it. What I don't know is how to make sure that only one of these packages gets installed. It could become quite confusing if someone decides to install both and have different versions of them. The package manager knows to remove an older version of the same package, but I don't think you can tell it to remove a different package, so we need to educate the prospective user to do this. Suggestions? Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf rackAttack: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Bastien writes: Let's take the easy road then. I'll work on that in maint, is this OK? I'd suggest org+ as the name of the package. Hmm… I'd rather avoid that since + is a reserved character in file names on some systems. How about orgplus? Hosting it on something like orgmode.org/pkg/daily/elpa_ would do I guess, then the ELPA servers would have to download it. What I don't know is how to make sure that only one of these packages gets installed. It could become quite confusing if someone decides to install both and have different versions of them. The package manager knows to remove an older version of the same package, but I don't think you can tell it to remove a different package, so we need to educate the prospective user to do this. Suggestions? Package manager will download and upgrade the dependency if needed. Bundle the exporters in to say org-extras*.tar or org-devel-*.tar and then have that package depend on the right version of org-*.tar. We can provide different URLs for gnu and non-gnu packages. So that users will know what to test with more rigour. Regards, Achim. --
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Bundle the exporters in to say org-extras*.tar or org-devel-*.tar and then have that package depend on the right version of org-*.tar. Or taking some cue from debian, call it org-*-unstable-*.tar and/or org-*-testing-*.tar.
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: 1. There is no need to do download and M-x package-install-file RET if the publishing server has a `archive-contents' file. Org's daily tars are already pushed to Orgmode.org and then later pulled by GNU's ELPA servers. So only thing needed is a public URL on Orgmode.org for package tars and an archive-contents. What this mean is that there is no need for Tromey's repo or marmalade repo. Orgmode itself is a repo and can be used in `package-archives'. Since release tars are already made available on Orgmode.org servers, I think bandwidth costs are not much of a concern for those sponsoring Orgmode.org's hosting. There is still the point of discoverability. Many more users already have the tromney/marmalade archives in their .emacs. If every package hosted its own archive, then ELPA would be too cumbersome to use. Best, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: 1. There is no need to do download and M-x package-install-file RET if the publishing server has a `archive-contents' file. Org's daily tars are already pushed to Orgmode.org and then later pulled by GNU's ELPA servers. So only thing needed is a public URL on Orgmode.org for package tars and an archive-contents. 2. IMO, packages destined for Emacs are much more valuable than those that lie in githubs and bitbuckets. Why is there a hesitation to bundle org-export.el and org-e-*.el (written by me and Ngz) in to it's own ELPA package or ship it along with daily tars. 3. There is a `package-upload-file' from package-x.el that can upload make-produced-tar and *also* update `archive-contents' with the new version. All of 1, 2 and 3 is available my ELPA makefile changes in org-jambu.git. Maybe if you could share individual diffs from your git branch which add Makefile targets to: - bundle org-export and org-e-*.el ELPA packages - update package-upload-file - bundle an org+contrib ELPA package (if you have this implemented) then this functionality could be more easily folded into the master branch. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
Hi, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: I was talking about the hypothetical possibility to offer another archive that is compatible with package manager and either packages Org including contrib or just contrib (so that it could be installed alongside the normal Org ELPA archive). Of these two options the first (canned Org + contrib/ in a single archive) is considerably easier to implement since all autoload dependencies are kept inside the same install. Let's take the easy road then. I'd suggest org+ as the name of the package. Hosting it on something like orgmode.org/pkg/daily/elpa_ would do I guess, then the ELPA servers would have to download it. How does that sound? -- Bastien
Re: [O] Org-mode release 7.9
1. There is no need to do download and M-x package-install-file RET if the publishing server has a `archive-contents' file. Org's daily tars are already pushed to Orgmode.org and then later pulled by GNU's ELPA servers. So only thing needed is a public URL on Orgmode.org for package tars and an archive-contents. 2. IMO, packages destined for Emacs are much more valuable than those that lie in githubs and bitbuckets. Why is there a hesitation to bundle org-export.el and org-e-*.el (written by me and Ngz) in to it's own ELPA package or ship it along with daily tars. 3. There is a `package-upload-file' from package-x.el that can upload make-produced-tar and *also* update `archive-contents' with the new version. All of 1, 2 and 3 is available my ELPA makefile changes in org-jambu.git. It's clear what needs to be done. Despite that, IMSNHO, there is hesitation and too much discussion. --
