Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Mon May 09 2016 at 06:30, Bill White wrote:
> I'm working on a project that uses deeply-nested plain lists, and I'm
> finding navigation to be a chore. Is there a way to enable speed keys
> (info "(org) Speed keys") for navigation of plain lists?
Following the ancient tradition of stumbling upon an answer ten minutes
after asking the question... I just found that org-forward-element and
org-backward-element will do the job, and they work fairly intelligently
with org-beginning-of-line.
Now if only one could bind these to more-convenient keys than M-{ and
M-} when in a plain list.
Cheers -
bw
Bill White . bi...@wolfram.com
"No ma'am, we're musicians."
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM Bill White wrote:
> Now if only one could bind these to more-convenient keys than M-{ and
> M-} when in a plain list.
Now only if emacs allowed changing the default key bindings :P :)
Check out C-h f define-key
(define-key org-mode-map (kbd "KEY") #'COMMAND)
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Kaushal Modi
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 14:15, Bill White wrote:
> Now if only one could bind these to more-convenient keys than M-{ and
> M-} when in a plain list.
Have a look at avy or ace-jump-mode?
I use evil with ace-jump-mode and it works really well for quick
movement around the visible part of a buffer: two chars for moving to
any line on the screen.
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Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On 2016-05-09, at 16:57, Kaushal Modi wrote:
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM Bill White wrote:
>
>> Now if only one could bind these to more-convenient keys than M-{ and
>> M-} when in a plain list.
>
>
> Now only if emacs allowed changing the default key bindings :P :)
>
> Check out C-h f define-key
>
> (define-key org-mode-map (kbd "KEY") #'COMMAND)
I guess that OP would like some key to do this only when in plain list.
It's slightly less easy then, and the preferred way (advice/new
function/maybe some hook) might depend on the particular choice of the
keys.
Best,
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http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
I found this approach to context aware key bindings useful:
http://endlessparentheses.com/define-context-aware-keys-in-emacs.html
Marcin Borkowski writes:
> On 2016-05-09, at 16:57, Kaushal Modi wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM Bill White wrote:
>>
>>> Now if only one could bind these to more-convenient keys than M-{ and
>>> M-} when in a plain list.
>>
>>
>> Now only if emacs allowed changing the default key bindings :P :)
>>
>> Check out C-h f define-key
>>
>> (define-key org-mode-map (kbd "KEY") #'COMMAND)
>
> I guess that OP would like some key to do this only when in plain list.
> It's slightly less easy then, and the preferred way (advice/new
> function/maybe some hook) might depend on the particular choice of the
> keys.
>
> Best,
--
Professor John Kitchin
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:43 AM Marcin Borkowski wrote:
> I guess that OP would like some key to do this only when in plain list.
> It's slightly less easy then, and the preferred way (advice/new
> function/maybe some hook) might depend on the particular choice of the
> keys.
>
Right, the define-key solution was under the assumption that M-{ and M-}
already do what the OP needs.
They are bound to org-backward-element and org-forward-element by default
in org-mode-map. So if M-{/M-} already does what he want, he can simply
bind the same commands to keys of his liking.
Actually org uses org-defkey instead of define-key for these bindings. But
they are not context-aware keys; they apply to org-mode-map:
http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/lisp/org.el?id=8127b3c30d8a2217468068a73f23bfa4945573dc#n19895
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Kaushal Modi
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
Jumping in again: I wonder if the OP would prefer org-forward-sentence (M-e) instead of org-forward-element? It's a bit finer in granularity... -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.92.1, Org release_8.3.4-739-g789412
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Mon May 09 2016 at 13:44, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Jumping in again: I wonder if the OP would prefer org-forward-sentence > (M-e) instead of org-forward-element? It's a bit finer in > granularity... Thank you all for the suggestions thus far. I'll attach the org file I'm working with: - Volume 1 - Abate 1 - Abate (ăbēⁱ⸳t), v.¹ - [a. OFr. abat-re, abat-tre, f. à prep. to + batre battre to beat: — late L. battĕre, batĕre, from cl. L. batuĕre. In the technical senses 18, 19, the identity of the prefix is uncertain, and the relation to the other senses undetermined.] - I. To beat down, demolish, destroy. - 1. trans. To beat down, throw down, demolish, level with the ground. Obsolete except in Law. - 1366 Maundev.: viii. 95 (1839) :: Jerusalem hath often tyme ben distroyed, & the Walles abated & beten doun. - c 1420 Palladius on Husb. II. 5 :: Hem to desolate Of erthe, and all from every roote abate. - 1494 Fabyan: vii. 490 :: Yᵉ gates of Bruges, of Ipre, of Courtray, and of other townes were abated and throwyn downe. - 1576 Lambarde: Peramb. Kent 185 (1826) :: Bycause Apultre was not of sufficient strength for their defence and coverture they abated it to the ground. - 1643 Prynne: Doom of Cowardice & Treach. 4 :: And that night came a great party of them, and by fine force made an assault and abated the Baracadoes. - 1664 Evelyn: Kal. Hort. 13 (1729) :: During the hottest months carefully abate the weeds. - 1809 Tomlins: Law Dict. s.v. :: To abate; to prostrate, break down, or destroy. In law to abate a castle or fort is to beat it down. - 1864 Wandsw. Br. Act 44 :: If any work made by the Company in, over, or across the River Thames .. be abandoned or suffered to fall into disuse or decay, the Conservators of the River Thames may abate and remove the same. - † 2. fig. To put down, put an end to, do away with (any state or condition of things). Obs. - c 1270 E. E. Poems, Old Age 149 :: When eld blowid he is blode . his ble is sone abatid. - 1340 Hampole: Pr. Consc. 1672 :: Ded [=death], of al þat it comes to, abates And chaunges all myghtes and states. - c 1350 Will. Palerne 1141 :: To abate þe bost of þat breme duke. - 1413 Lydgate Pylg. Sowle v. xii. 103 (1843) :: And fynally abatid is the strif. - 1585 Abp. Sandys: Serm. 79 (1841) :: St. Paul abateth this opinion. Ibid. 293 To abate the haughty conceit which naturally we have of ourselves. - 3. Esp. Law. - a. To put an end to, do away with (as a nuisance, or an action). - *1297* R. Glouc. 447 :: And oþer monye luþer lawes, þat hys elderne adde ywroʒt, He behet, þat he wolde abate. - *1768* Blackstone: Comm. III. 168 :: The primitive sense is that of abating or beating down a nusance. - *1780* Burke: Sp. on Econ. Ref. Wks. III. 247 :: They abate the nuisance, they pull down the house. - *1844* H. Rogers: Essays I. ii. 88 :: He has not lived in vain who has successfully endeavoured to abate the nuisances of his own time. - *1859* De Quincey: The Cæsars Wks. X. 104 :: To put him down and abate him as a monster. - b. To render null and void (a writ). - *1580* Baret: Alvearie :: His accusation or writte is abated or ouerthrowne when the Attorney by ignorance declareth not the processe in due forme, or the writte abateth. - *1621* Sanderson: Serm. Ad. Cl. II. xxii. 30 (1674) :: And any one short Clause or Proviso, not legal, is sufficient to abate the whole Writ or Instrument. - *1726* Ayliffe: Parergon 266 :: This only suspends but does not abate the action. - *1741* Robinson: Gavelkind vi. 109 :: The Writ was abated by the Court. - *1809* Tomlins: Law Dict. s. v. :: To abate a nuisance is to destroy, remove, or put an end to it. .. To abate a writ is to defeat or overthrow it by shewing some error or exception. - 4. intr. (through refl.) To be at an end, to become null or void; esp. of writs, actions, appeals. - *1602* W. Fulbecke: First Part of Parallele 62 :: In the summons A. was omitted, wherefore the writte abated. - *1745* De Foe: Eng. Tradesm. I. xvi. 148 :: Commissions shall not abate by the death of his majesty. - *1768* Blackstone: Comm. III. 247 :: The su
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
* Bill White wrote: > > Thank you all for the suggestions thus far. I'll attach the org file > I'm working with: Being curious on your motivation: why do you use only plain list items instead of headings with paragraphs or headings with plain lists? -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Tue May 10 2016 at 03:21, Karl Voit wrote: > * Bill White wrote: >> >> Thank you all for the suggestions thus far. I'll attach the org file >> I'm working with: > > Being curious on your motivation: why do you use only plain list items > instead of headings with paragraphs or headings with plain lists? Mainly because I'm still playing around with possible formats. Some manual correction of the ocr text is required for each entry, which provides a frictionless opportunity to add a little bit of list markup and then get on with the next entry. My final goal is a simple electronic version of the old Oxford English Dictionary as outlined by Corey Doctorow http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/23/oxford-english-dictionary-future-digitally based on files at the Internet Archive - volume 1 is at https://archive.org/details/oed01arch I'd like the thing to be as close to plaintext as possible with a minimum of markup: - org list notation is minimal - it's useful within orgmode - it doesn't get in the user's way in non-emacs ecosystems - it avoids the endless quagmire of adding significant markup to such a huge body of text - it's a necessary first step for some other brave soul who wants to add markup & organization But I'm open to suggestions & discussion - now's the time to play around with formats to find the right balance between playing with words and slogging through markup. Perhaps this isn't the right mailing list for that discussion, though. Cheers - bw Bill White . bi...@wolfram.com "No ma'am, we're musicians."
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Bill White wrote: > But I'm open to suggestions & discussion - now's the time to play around > with formats to find the right balance between playing with words and > slogging through markup. Perhaps this isn't the right mailing list for > that discussion, though. If it isn't then please post the name of that list when you find it. I started out using only lists too because they are exactly as you describe them. Eventually I wanted to attach metadata to the lists, and now I love headings. The case for Org-Mode only as a markup alone isn't very interesting because it is competing against everything from SGML to ASCIIDoc. When you throw in the community and infrastructure of tools and literature then Org-Mode wins. It takes some time for it all to sink in though. My gut reaction to learning Org-Mode (all aspects listed above) was recalling this quote from Eric Weisstein: "Created, developed, and nurtured by Eric Weisstein at Wolfram Research" [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/] Org-Mode makes it easy to do that with whatever document you are nurturing.
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
* Grant Rettke wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Bill White wrote: >> But I'm open to suggestions & discussion - now's the time to play around >> with formats to find the right balance between playing with words and >> slogging through markup. Perhaps this isn't the right mailing list for >> that discussion, though. > > Eventually I wanted to attach metadata to the lists, and now I love headings. This is exactly my point: you can't add any meta-data to list items. However, you've got plenty of possibilities to enrich headings with suitable meta-data: tags, multiple/own drawers, standardized properties. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Mon May 16 2016 at 13:17, Grant Rettke wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Bill White wrote: >> But I'm open to suggestions & discussion - now's the time to play around >> with formats to find the right balance between playing with words and >> slogging through markup. Perhaps this isn't the right mailing list for >> that discussion, though. > > If it isn't then please post the name of that list when you find it. I'm happy to post here, especially since I can't see moving this project out of orgmode. > I started out using only lists too because they are exactly as you > describe them. > > Eventually I wanted to attach metadata to the lists, and now I love > headings. Could you post an example? Here's a sample of my second iteration. A poor man's database - still pure orgmode and still plain text, but easily parsable: - main word|subordinate word, subdivided into grammatical relations A, B, C, &c. - identification - main form :: Abbacy - obsolete † :: no - non-naturalized ‖ :: no - pronunciation :: æ•băsi - part of speech :: substantive - specification :: none - status :: default - spellings :: 5-6 abbasy, 6-7 abbacie - inflections :: none - [morphology] - derivation (etymology) :: A modification of the earlier ABBATIE, assimilated to forms like prelacy, mediaeval Latin -acia, -atia. - subsequent form-history :: - miscellaneous facts :: - TODO: significations & illustrative quotations > "Created, developed, and nurtured by Eric Weisstein at Wolfram > Research" [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/] > > Org-Mode makes it easy to do that with whatever document you are > nurturing. That describes most of my uses of orgmode - thanks! bw -- http://members.wolfram.com/billw
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
* Bill White wrote: > > Here's a sample of my second iteration. A poor man's database - still > pure orgmode and still plain text, but easily parsable: > > - main word|subordinate word, subdivided into grammatical relations A, B, C, > &c. >- identification > - main form :: Abbacy > - obsolete † :: no > - non-naturalized ‖ :: no > - pronunciation :: æ•băsi > - part of speech :: substantive > - specification :: none > - status :: default > - spellings :: 5-6 abbasy, 6-7 abbacie > - inflections :: none >- [morphology] > - derivation (etymology) :: A modification of the earlier > ABBATIE, assimilated to forms like prelacy, mediaeval Latin > -acia, -atia. > - subsequent form-history :: > - miscellaneous facts :: >- TODO: significations & illustrative quotations I am certainly not thinking of all of your use-cases. However, here is a possible alternative «solution» with headings. Just being curious: What disadvantages do you see here compared to lists? *** main word|subordinate word, subdivided into grammatical relations A, B, C, &c. :PROPERTIES: ## or: :identification:-drawer :mainform: Abbacy :obsolete: no :nonnaturalized: no :pronunciation: æ•basi :partofspeech: substantive :specification: none :status: default :spellings: 5-6 abbasy, 6-7 abbacie :...OR...: :spelling: 5-6 abbasy :spelling: 6-7 abbacie :inflections: none :END: #+COMMENT: Previous list as properties does have multiple advantages #+COMMENT: such as column view (+ corresponding edit functionality) #+COMMENT: Following lines seem to contain potential multi-line #+COMMENT: text which does not qualify to be handled well in properties: - [morphology] - derivation (etymology) :: A modification of the earlier ABBATIE, assimilated to forms like prelacy, mediaeval Latin -acia, -atia. - subsequent form-history :: - miscellaneous facts :: TODO: significations & illustrative quotations #+COMMENT: I personally prefer todos that can possible get SCHEDULED #+COMMENT: and/or DEADLINE dates to be headings. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] speed keys for plain lists?
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Bill White wrote: > Could you post an example? Sure. I wanted to refer to my heading by UID rather than name since I wasn't sure of the final format: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/grettke/help/master/help.org Karl provided a format for your example using properties. I would approach it the same way. The folks that use Org-Mode to maintain bibliographies and BBDB databases might have some feedback for you here, too.
