Re: China CCC and CE?
Curt, The main difference is that a major component in your system such as a power supply or monitor must also be CCC Certified or must have the component evaluated separately by the China test house. This can be done by by submitting an IEC CB Test Report with China deviations on the component or tested in-country. You are correct in that for many product categories, the Chinese GB standards are equivalent to their IEC equivalent standards. Unlike CE which is a self declaration by the manufacturer, getting a CCC certificate also involves an initial inspection at the factory and yearly follow-up inspections. Best Regards, Peter Curt McNamara mcnam...@umn.edu wrote: Is there any relation between having met CE standards and getting a CCC certificate? I am aware many of the CCC tests are based on IEC standards. Curt - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http //tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - --- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
IEEE EMC Soc United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland event at The Open University Campus - Wednesday 26th March 2008
Everyone Sorry for the late circulation of this notice. The event is free, but please note the need to register in advance. Best wishes Brian -- IEEE Event Notice. IEEE Electromagnetic Compatibility Soc. UKRI Chapter. You are invited to attend the forthcoming afternoon technical event to be held at: The Open University Campus, Milton Keynes.MK7 6AA Event topics: Power line communications (PLC, PLT, BPL) and EMC. Radiated measurements below 30MHz The newEMC regulations. On WednesdayMarch 26th 2008. Event Agenda Room location: The Library Room. Attendees must report to Berrill reception. 13-15Welcome. Brian Jones, Chairman IEEE EMC Soc UKRI Chapter. Topic 1. 13:20 - 14:00Coexisting with PLT – is it possible? Peter Kerry, Consultant. 14:00 - 14:40Developments in BPL Communications Technology. John Newbury, The Open University. 14:40 - 15:10Refreshment Break. Topic 2. 15:10 - 15:50Radiated field strength measurements below 30 MHz. David Lauder, University of Hertfordshire. Topic 3. 15:50 - 16:30Forthcoming BERR (formerly DTI) expanded guidance on the new EMC regulations. Brian Jones, Consultant. 16:40 End of meeting. Information available on speakers and talks: Brian Jones, our Chapter Chairman for this year, has as one of his clients The Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (formerly the DTI). He has assisted them in the drafting of expanded guidance of the UK Regulations SI 2006 No. 3418 which will be published shortly. This talk will give an overview of the expected content of the guidance. David Lauder's talk will cover improving the sensitivity of EMC measuring antennas for the HF band. David may be remembered from his involvement with the Hatfield EMC video course from the early 1990's. The event is an open meeting. All welcome. There is no charge for attendance. If you plan to attend you need to register by informing: Roy Ediss Email; roy.ed...@ieee.org For registration you will need to provide: Name, Company, (if applicable), Book early for the meeting to avoid disappointment. Room Location: The Library Room. Attendees must report to Berrill reception first. Campus Location: http://www3.open.ac.uk/contact/locations.aspx Car parking is available on-site. For travel by rail to Milton Keynes Central station see timetable information at:http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ Lunch may be purchased in the cafeteria in the Berrill reception area. We look forward to seeing you on the day. Committee. Chapter Committee membership and officers, as from the last EMC Soc. UKRI Chapter AGM on 12th December 2007. Officers ChairmanBrian Jones e...@brianjones.co.uk Vice-Chairman Paul Duxbury paul.duxb...@flomerics.co.uk TreasurerRoy Ediss roy.ed...@ieee.org SecretaryTony Swainson tony.swain...@ieee.org Events Secretary Roy Ediss roy.ed...@ieee.org Membership Secretary Tim Haguetim_ha...@ieee.org Regional Representatives Dave AtkinsS.West. d...@atkins1.demon.co.uk Nigel CarterS.East. njcar...@qinetiq.com Christos Christopoulos E. Midlands christos.christopou...@nottingham.ac.uk Roy EdissS. Central roy.ed...@ieee.org Brian Jones W. Midlands North e...@brianjones.co.uk Hoon Siew Scotland whs...@ieee.org Other Committee Members Jon Duerrjon.du...@ieee.org Adrian Monk themo...@romanpark.fsnet.co.uk The UKRI EMC Chapter website can be viewed at the UK IEEE site, http://www.ieee.org.uk/emc.html Communication by email is preferred, and members are encouraged to update the IEEE with any email address changes at (http://services1.ieee.org/membersvc/coa/intro.htm), plus their Regional Representative, the Secretary and the Membership Secretary. Roy Ediss, roy.ed...@ieee.org Ediss Electric http://www.ediss-electric.com http://www.ediss-electric.com/ 02380 016542 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules:
Re: Terminations for PC during emission measurements
In message 8fe3816af82d194db98d7451040bd58a0cd...@mer2-excha2.echostar.com, dated Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com writes: Wendy - I strongly recommend you research this more thoroughly. PCs have special test requirements (such as active I/O!) that you will need to accommodate. Quite so, but some EMC standards do at least appear to imply that a passive load of the correct impedance can stand in for a peripheral. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk The bankers who've caused the present mess should have our displeasure impressed on their bare sterns John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Terminations for PC during emission measurements
HI Wendy Charles is absolutely correct - you need to be careful here. Historically the position of the FCC seems to have been that when they say a port is to have a 'load' they mean that the load is to representative of the device. Not just in impedance, but it is to also represent the electrical and mechanical characteristics of the device. This is also the intent of ANSI C63.4. Consequently a simple resistive load would not be appropriate. Also, realistically speaking, the only way to 'load' a port is to put a real device on the port (i.e. a parallel port serial port and USB port device etc.). Please note that the ITE section of ANSI C63.4 states When a PC is the EUT and also the host, the minimum functional interface (I/O) ports that shall be populated by attaching cables, which are terminated in a typical load of actual usage, include serial, parallel, and USB, where such ports are available. Please note the 'load OF ACTUAL USAGE statement. The fortunate thing is that you only need to 'load' one of each type port. The other ports of the same type can use a cable connected and 'terminated'. Thanks Dennis Ward Director of Engineering American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 NOTICE: This E-Mail message and any attachment may contain privileged or company proprietary information. If you received this message in error, please return to the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grasso, Charles Sent: 03/20/2008 10:17 AM To: wendy...@labone.com.sg; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Terminations for PC during emission measurements Wendy - I strongly recommend you research this more thoroughly. PCs have special test requirements (such as active I/O!) that you will need to accommodate. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of wendy...@labone.com.sg Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:49 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Terminations for PC during emission measurements Dear All, ANSI C63.4 states that when testing a computer, its interface I/O are to be terminated by peripheral or load. I am trying to find out the load impedance for parallel, serial, USB, etc- ports commonly found on a PC. My intention is to terminate the ports with load rather than actual peripheral to save cost. If someone has a 'quicker' and 'cheaper' way to do this, please enlighten me. Thank you in advance. Regards, Wendy Nya - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Terminations for PC during emission measurements
Wendy - I strongly recommend you research this more thoroughly. PCs have special test requirements (such as active I/O!) that you will need to accommodate. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of wendy...@labone.com.sg Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:49 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Terminations for PC during emission measurements Dear All, ANSI C63.4 states that when testing a computer, its interface I/O are to be terminated by peripheral or load. I am trying to find out the load impedance for parallel, serial, USB, etc- ports commonly found on a PC. My intention is to terminate the ports with load rather than actual peripheral to save cost. If someone has a 'quicker' and 'cheaper' way to do this, please enlighten me. Thank you in advance. Regards, Wendy Nya - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
March 25 PSES Meeting: Rich Pescatore--The Future of Product Safety Engineering
IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society , Santa Clara Valley Chapter Meeting announcment: Friends and Colleagues, You won't want to miss this month's meeting as we welcome Rich Pescatore who will be doing a presentation on the new hazard based 62368 standard! There is a REVOLUTION taking place in Safety Standards, and here is a report from the front lines! The biggest hazard would be to miss this presentation! Meeting Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 Dinner: 5:45 - 7:00 p.m. Socialize with your colleagues and tonight's speaker at: El Torito Mexican Restaurant, 2950 Lakeside Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408-727-4426) -- just two blocks north of the meeting site. No RSVP required. Program: 7:00 - 8:30 p.m. No admission charge. Open to the public. Topic: The Future of Product Safety They said it couldn't be done - a safety standard built on the foundation of Hazard-Based Safety Engineering. But Rich Pescatore is now leading the international effort to create just such a hazard-based safety standard. It will be known as IEC 62368, and its scope will be the Safety of Information and Communication Technology Equipment and Audio / Video Equipment. Mr. Pescatore will review the basis, the scope and the goals of this new standard. He will share his insight into the challenges being overcome to make this standard both accurate and useful, and he will describe the work being done to ensure it will be functional within the IECEE CB Scheme. Speaker: Rich Pescatore Rich Pescatore has over 35 years of experience in the fields of Product Safety and Regulations and presently serves as Hewlett-Packard's Global Product Safety Standards Development and Certification Manager. He is * A Member of the Board of Directors of the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society, * Vice Chairman (and past Chairman) of the Information Technology Industry Council (ITI) Technical Regulations Committee, * Head of the US Delegation to the IECEE Certification Management Committee, and * Head of the US Delegation to IEC TC 108 and Convener of the corresponding Working Group developing IEC 62368. Mr. Pescatore was the recipient of the Edward Lohse Information Technology Medal for his demonstrated leadership in the development and promotion of national and international standards. He has been awarded the IEC 1906 Award for his major contribution in the promotion of the IECEE CB Scheme. Mr. Pescatore has a BSEE from California Polytechnic State University and an MBA from the University of Santa Clara. He is a Registered Electrical Engineer in the State of California. Meeting Site: Applied Materials, Bowers Café, 3090 Bowers Ave, Santa Clara, CA 95054 (map: http://www.scvemc.org/scv2003meetmap.gif ) Chair: Steve Baldwin, steve.bald...@lamrc.com Vice-Chair: Roberto Pasos, rpa...@elliottlabs.com Treasurer: Mark Montrose, mmont...@ix.netcom.com Secretary: Gary Eldridge, geldri...@apple.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: China CCC and CE?
In message e2f07269-948f-4a2c-b173-689cbedba...@umn.edu, dated Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Curt McNamara mcnam...@umn.edu writes: Is there any relation between having met CE standards and getting a CCC certificate? I am aware many of the CCC tests are based on IEC standards. In some cases. But to give you a *helpful* answer, we would need to know which product(s) and which 'CE standards'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk The bankers who've caused the present mess should have our displeasure impressed on their bare sterns John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Job Opportunity on Long Island
Forwarded for Mike Catalano, Siemens Energy Automation Siemens Job Posting 66010; Compliance Engineer; Hauppauge, NY - The candidate we are seeking will have a BS in Engineering with a minimum 5 years experience in approval - certification - regulatory standards work; experience with hazardous location approvals preferred. In addition the candidate should have working knowledge of Safety, Code and Quality standards relating to Low Voltage safety, Hazardous (Classified) Locations, and Electromagnetic Compatibility (such as: IEC61010-1; NFPA70 NEC500, 505; IEC60079 –series; EN 61000-6-2 and -4; ISO9001/2000; EN13980); 5-10% travel required; Read more and apply here: https://careers.peopleclick com/careerscp/client_siemens/external/search.do Best regards, Mike Catalano RD Project Manager Siemens Energy Automation, Inc. Process Solutions Division (PSD) CoC Ultrasonic Flow PIBU 155 Plant Avenue Hauppauge, NY 11788 USA - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: wheeled bin symbol
Hi Alan, From EN 50149:2006 you can read that the line underneath must be: Quote: The height (h) of the bar shall be the greater of 0.3 a or 1mm. Where a is the height from bottom of trash bin to the hinge of the lid, refer to drawings. Best regards Peter - Original Message - From: Alan Shaw as...@napcosecurity.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: RE: wheeled bin symbol I've often wondered why some graphics have a big thick line under the bin? I have a page from the OJ dated 13.2.2003 has only a thin line underneath that is consistent with document formatting of a section break. Therefore, I've never incorporated the line into artwork that I've used. Alan -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:10 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: wheeled bin symbol Hi Brian, As many have already stated, you should read EN 50419 standard and of course the directive itself. However if youre looking for the graphics you might find the below link usefull (though not authoritative) http://www.conformance.co.uk/logos/wheelie_bin/wheeliebin_logo.php Best regards Peter - Original Message - From: Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: wheeled bin symbol Good People, I have noted that the X'd wheeled-bin symbol, as indicated in the WEEE directive, is a bit different from the what is used by industry. Could someone please point me to an authoritative URL to define this graphic ? Thanks much. luck, Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
