A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones?
Oh Mighty List, Received an email from my sister with information about a product called the Neutralizer which uses a proprietary organic compound composed of natural earth elements which neutralizes the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA. This product comes in the form of a sticker you can apply to your cell phone, computer monitor, etc. such that human DNA can be protected from the damaging effects of RF/EMF. Somewhere I read that it does not block or absorb EMI, but transforms it into coherent and non-harmful radiation emulating organic radiation (my words here). I also read something about a holographic disk. All in all I was rather confused, like I was going in circles. I am not doing a great job of explaining this product so I ask you to visit: http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hi/neutralizer.html and see for yourselves. Scroll down to read all the material, especially the FAQ at the end. I also read one or two of the research papers here: http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/welcome/research. I am not connected in any way with this product, except my sister bought some disks. I am really curious to know if anyone on the list has ever heard of this product? Or would someone else go check out these web sites and let me know what you think? On the one hand, it sounds like the holy grail of EMI fixes. On the other hand, maybe I need to take out a selling license for the product and plan to retire early. All comments welcome, on or off list. Best regards, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
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In message 486fd25c.8090...@ptcnh.net, dated Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net writes: All comments welcome, on or off list. It's really true. What is really true is that you can find anything on the Internet, including pseudoscientific nonsense. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
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One of your most illustrious compatriots, the late Arthur C. Clarke, compiled a list of stories published under the title, Tales from the White Hart. The White Hart being a fictional tavern where engineering and scientific types would hang out after hours. The Tales are whoppers they told each other in a well-lubricated competition to see who could spin the biggest but yet seemingly plausible lie. It is a good read. Another good read might be a collection of the most bizarre (scientifically speaking) items offered for sale on the Internet. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:25:04 +0100 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A comment, not associated with any particular product. In message 486fd25c.8090...@ptcnh.net, dated Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net writes: All comments welcome, on or off list. It's really true. What is really true is that you can find anything on the Internet, including pseudoscientific nonsense. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
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In message c4954960.20ce2%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes: It is a good read. Yes, I have a copy and agree. Another good read might be a collection of the most bizarre (scientifically speaking) items offered for sale on the Internet. Maybe a collection of the least bizarre would be smaller? It is, in principle, because there is a lower limit of zero bizarreness but no upper limit, as we see.(;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones?
Hi Scott: So, I went to the web sites you cited. Then, I went to the citations. For one of the citations, the abstract says: Levels of DNA single-strand break were assayed in brain cells from rats acutely exposed to low-intensity 2450 MHz microwaves using an alkaline microgel electrophoresis method. Immediately after 2 h of exposure to pulsed (2 s width, 500 pulses/s) microwaves, no significant effect was observed, whereas a dose rate-dependent [0.6 and 1.2 W/kg whole body specific absorption rate (SAR)] increase in DNA single-strand breaks was found in brain cells of rats at 4 h postexposure. Furthermore, in rats exposed for 2 h to continuous-wave 2450 MHz microwaves (SAR 1.2 W/kg), increases in brain cell DNA single-strand breaks were observed immediately as well as at 4 h postexposure. C 1995 Wiley-Liss, Inc. The FDA limits cell phone SAR to the head to 1.6 W/kg. Cell phones operate at about 824-829 MHz, and 1850-1910 MHz. I'm not sure how to compare 1.2 W/kg SAR at 2450 MHz with 1.6 W/kg SAR at 1910 MHz or 829 MHz. These frequencies are from: http://www.privateline.com/PCS/Frequencies.htm The Quantum Biology Research paper reports cell phones operating at 2450 MHz. I could not confirm that cell phones operate at 2450 MHz. See: http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/pdf/index/QBResearch2006 This paper indicates the 2450 MHz is from a wireless phone, not a cell phone. Another web site says that the Neutralizer is made from homeopathically enhanced or crystalline matrix mixed into the ink of the Neutralizer patch. These finely ground minerals and trace elements are derived from a rock discovered in Utah... Here are several interesting reports on testing the Neutralizer: http://www.shieldemf.com/files/1690372/uploaded/IIREC_Report.pdf http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/pdf/index/Sun http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/pdf/index/UCIrvine Lots of information out there. Seems like Aulterra has been shipping their Neutralizer around for testing and reports. I wonder if the inventor knows how it works? Best regards, Rich -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Douglas Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:58 PM To: 'EMC PSTC' Subject: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones? Oh Mighty List, Received an email from my sister with information about a product called the Neutralizer which uses a proprietary organic compound composed of natural earth elements which neutralizes the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA. This product comes in the form of a sticker you can apply to your cell phone, computer monitor, etc. such that human DNA can be protected from the damaging effects of RF/EMF. Somewhere I read that it does not block or absorb EMI, but transforms it into coherent and non-harmful radiation emulating organic radiation (my words here). I also read something about a holographic disk. All in all I was rather confused, like I was going in circles. I am not doing a great job of explaining this product so I ask you to visit: http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hi/neutralizer.html and see for yourselves. Scroll down to read all the material, especially the FAQ at the end. I also read one or two of the research papers here: http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/welcome/research. I am not connected in any way with this product, except my sister bought some disks. I am really curious to know if anyone on the list has ever heard of this product? Or would someone else go check out these web sites and let me know what you think? On the one hand, it sounds like the holy grail of EMI fixes. On the other hand, maybe I need to take out a selling license for the product and plan to retire early. All comments welcome, on or off list. Best regards, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones?
Look into that homeopathic process. If I recall, a homeopathic solution is made from the same irritant that it is proposed to fix, by diluting the substance to extreme and using it to instill an immunity to the irritant. - Bill You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North!!! --- On Sat, 7/5/08, 'Rich Nute' rn...@san.rr.com wrote: From: 'Rich Nute' rn...@san.rr.com Subject: RE: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones? To: 'Scott Douglas' sdoug...@ptcnh.net, 'EMC PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 8:27 PM Hi Scott: So, I went to the web sites you cited. Then, I went to the citations. For one of the citations, the abstract says: Levels of DNA single-strand break were assayed in brain cells from rats acutely exposed to low-intensity 2450 MHz microwaves using an alkaline microgel electrophoresis method. Immediately after 2 h of exposure to pulsed (2 s width, 500 pulses/s) microwaves, no significant effect was observed, whereas a dose rate-dependent [0.6 and 1.2 W/kg whole body specific absorption rate (SAR)] increase in DNA single-strand breaks was found in brain cells of rats at 4 h postexposure. Furthermore, in rats exposed for 2 h to continuous-wave 2450 MHz microwaves (SAR 1.2 W/kg), increases in brain cell DNA single-strand breaks were observed immediately as well as at 4 h postexposure. C 1995 Wiley-Liss, Inc. The FDA limits cell phone SAR to the head to 1.6 W/kg. Cell phones operate at about 824-829 MHz, and 1850-1910 MHz. I'm not sure how to compare 1.2 W/kg SAR at 2450 MHz with 1.6 W/kg SAR at 1910 MHz or 829 MHz. These frequencies are from: http://www.privateline.com/PCS/Frequencies.htm The Quantum Biology Research paper reports cell phones operating at 2450 MHz. I could not confirm that cell phones operate at 2450 MHz. See: http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/pdf/index/QBResearch2006 This paper indicates the 2450 MHz is from a wireless phone, not a cell phone. Another web site says that the Neutralizer is made from homeopathically enhanced or crystalline matrix mixed into the ink of the Neutralizer patch. These finely ground minerals and trace elements are derived from a rock discovered in Utah... Here are several interesting reports on testing the Neutralizer: http://www.shieldemf.com/files/1690372/uploaded/IIREC_Report.pdf http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/pdf/index/Sun http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/pdf/index/UCIrvine Lots of information out there. Seems like Aulterra has been shipping their Neutralizer around for testing and reports. I wonder if the inventor knows how it works? Best regards, Rich -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Douglas Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:58 PM To: 'EMC PSTC' Subject: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones? Oh Mighty List, Received an email from my sister with information about a product called the Neutralizer which uses a proprietary organic compound composed of natural earth elements which neutralizes the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA. This product comes in the form of a sticker you can apply to your cell phone, computer monitor, etc. such that human DNA can be protected from the damaging effects of RF/EMF. Somewhere I read that it does not block or absorb EMI, but transforms it into coherent and non-harmful radiation emulating organic radiation (my words here). I also read something about a holographic disk. All in all I was rather confused, like I was going in circles. I am not doing a great job of explaining this product so I ask you to visit: http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hi/neutralizer.html and see for yourselves. Scroll down to read all the material, especially the FAQ at the end. I also read one or two of the research papers here: http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/welcome/research. I am not connected in any way with this product, except my sister bought some disks. I am really curious to know if anyone on the list has ever heard of this
Re: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones?
I don't suppose you might be this Scott Douglas, right? http://www.scottdouglas.org/ - Bill You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North!!! --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net wrote: From: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net Subject: A Disk To Reduce EMI from Cell Phones? To: 'EMC PSTC' emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 3:58 PM Oh Mighty List, Received an email from my sister with information about a product called the Neutralizer which uses a proprietary organic compound composed of natural earth elements which neutralizes the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA. This product comes in the form of a sticker you can apply to your cell phone, computer monitor, etc. such that human DNA can be protected from the damaging effects of RF/EMF. Somewhere I read that it does not block or absorb EMI, but transforms it into coherent and non-harmful radiation emulating organic radiation (my words here). I also read something about a holographic disk. All in all I was rather confused, like I was going in circles. I am not doing a great job of explaining this product so I ask you to visit: http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hi/neutralizer.html and see for yourselves. Scroll down to read all the material, especially the FAQ at the end. I also read one or two of the research papers here: http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/welcome/research. I am not connected in any way with this product, except my sister bought some disks. I am really curious to know if anyone on the list has ever heard of this product? Or would someone else go check out these web sites and let me know what you think? On the one hand, it sounds like the holy grail of EMI fixes. On the other hand, maybe I need to take out a selling license for the product and plan to retire early. All comments welcome, on or off list. Best regards, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
