Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Pete Perkins 
Dave et al,

 

   This is an ongoing issue.  TC108 worked to update the accessible 
temperature requirements in 62368-1 in the early 2000s based upon reports in 
the popular news of similar incidents.  I reviewed this in a PSES 2004 
presentation which was later converted to an article in the  PSE News, 
15v11No2.  The technical basis for reasonable requirements were drawn from 
earlier work done as discussed in the paper.  You can find this paper by 
searching for it by name online: ‘Ouch Hot Laptop’.  

   Enjoy the reading upon your new laptop (which, as stated, an 
attempt was made to rename these as notebooks to steer away from similar claims 
– but the popular name returns).  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

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From: Nyffenegger, Dave  
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:47 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop

 

That’s in the plan.  This one slows down apparently when it’s not too busy.  If 
it’s just the OS running with no programs it’s cool as can be.  But if I wanted 
a laptop to only do one thing at a time I’d use MS-DOS.  With several programs 
running and multiple browsers with multiple windows it runs the CPU full out 
regardless of temp.

-Dave

 

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:42 PM
To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
 
Subject: hot laptop

 

 

Get a new laptop.  Intel devices now slow down if they get too hot.  My new 
laptop barely gets warm.

Rich

 

 

From: Nyffenegger, Dave mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

 

I’d like to ask the same question of my “name brand” laptop with the same 
circumstances.  The CPU runs just under 100 degrees F according to Intel 
diagnostics and the case bottom runs hot enough it can’t actually sit on a lap.

 

-Dave

 

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Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave 
No that you mention it I think I remember that story too.
-Dave

From: Doug Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:44 PM
To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop

Hi Everyone,

This "hot laptop" problem has been going on for many years now. I remember a 
story in the tech mags out of Silicon Valley about Apple laptops burning, 
really leaving an injury, on the order of ten years ago. Apple said the 
machines were not intended to be used on one's lap.

Doug
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 20:58:12 +, "Nyffenegger, Dave" wrote:


We agree I need a new laptop due to this issue alone.  It’s not hot enough that 
it can’t be moved away quickly enough to prevent a permanent burn.  But it is 
hot enough to leave sun-burn like splotches on skin if left to long over a thin 
layer of clothing.  Hot enough to discolor some other materials it may rest on 
as well.

-Dave

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:44 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop


Its not the temperature, but the thermal energy that is transferred to a body 
part.  Consider aluminum foil versus cast aluminum at the same temperature, say 
140 F.  The foil won’t burn you, but the cast aluminum sure will!

The thermal resistance of plastic will give you the time to disconnect from the 
140 F surface of your laptop before you suffer a burn.

You need a new laptop, too!  😊

Best regards,
Rich



From: IBM Ken 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop

Aren't we supposed to call them "notebook" computers now, so it can be claimed 
they're not intended for use on a lap?

For what it's worth, I've measured up to 140F on the surface of my computer...

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Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Doug Smith 




Hi Everyone,

This "hot laptop" problem has been going on for many years now. I remember a 
story in the tech mags out of Silicon Valley about Apple laptops burning, 
really leaving an injury, on the order of ten years ago. Apple said the 
machines were not intended to be used on one's lap.

Doug








On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 20:58:12 +, "Nyffenegger, Dave"  wrote:

 




We agree I need a new laptop due to this issue alone.  It’s not hot enough 
that it can’t be moved away quickly enough to prevent a permanent burn.  
But it is hot enough to leave sun-burn like splotches on skin if left to long 
over a thin layer of clothing.  Hot enough to discolor some other 
materials it may rest on as well.

 

-Dave

 



From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:44 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop



 

 

Its not the temperature, but the thermal energy that is transferred to a body 
part.  Consider aluminum foil versus cast aluminum at the same 
temperature, say 140 F.  The foil won’t burn you, but the cast aluminum 
sure will!

 

The thermal resistance of plastic will give you the time to disconnect from the 
140 F surface of your laptop before you suffer a burn.

 

You need a new laptop, too!  😊

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

 

From: IBM Ken 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop

 



Aren't we supposed to call them "notebook" computers now, so it can be claimed 
they're not intended for use on a lap?  



 



For what it's worth, I've measured up to 140F on the surface of my computer...




 


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Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave 
We agree I need a new laptop due to this issue alone.  It’s not hot enough that 
it can’t be moved away quickly enough to prevent a permanent burn.  But it is 
hot enough to leave sun-burn like splotches on skin if left to long over a thin 
layer of clothing.  Hot enough to discolor some other materials it may rest on 
as well.

-Dave

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:44 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop


Its not the temperature, but the thermal energy that is transferred to a body 
part.  Consider aluminum foil versus cast aluminum at the same temperature, say 
140 F.  The foil won’t burn you, but the cast aluminum sure will!

The thermal resistance of plastic will give you the time to disconnect from the 
140 F surface of your laptop before you suffer a burn.

You need a new laptop, too!  😊

Best regards,
Rich



From: IBM Ken 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop

Aren't we supposed to call them "notebook" computers now, so it can be claimed 
they're not intended for use on a lap?

For what it's worth, I've measured up to 140F on the surface of my computer...

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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Carl Newton 

Erick,

I've used it before but I completely overlooked the IECEE site. This is 
a big help.  At least I now know that the safety report exists in CB 
format as well as report number and NCB.  Now it's a matter of getting 
them into my inbox.  A big step in the right direction.


We've made some contact with Samsung at their B2B support email address 
and received the following message from them today:


"I was informed by one of our level 1 agents that you need some level 2 
assistance. Can you describe to me exactly what your request is so I can 
confirm your request and check what we can do for you."


So it appears that the process is for help requests to be filtered by 
their B2B Tier 1 support where it is assigned a "Ticket Number" and then 
advanced to their Tier 2 support group.  The Tier 2 support person 
contacted us and now I have a contact name and email address that I can 
send the cert number and information to.  Hopefully that person can use 
it to locate the necessary docs.


Thanks very much!

Carl

On 8/16/2018 12:39 PM, Erick Latvala wrote:


Hello Carl,

There appears to be a CB Test Report and Test Certificate for this 
tablet.  You can check by going to the following link and search in 
the “Free Text” box for SM-T820.


http://certificates.iecee.org/ods/cb_hm.xsp

This doesn’t give you the Certificate, but should confirm one exists 
and includes the standards used and national differences applied.


Erick.

*From:*Carl Newton 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:09 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - 
Need Contact


Brian,

Li batteries and battery packs have conditions of acceptability that 
must be confirmed within the end-use application.  That is the hook in 
this application.  Our NRTL understandably must confirm this.   I 
consider our NRTL's willingness to accept the CB Cert and Report 
rather generous in this case because that doesn't ensure follow-up 
factory inspections.  I'm sure the fact that it's Samsung is the 
reason why.


Thanks,

Carl

On 8/16/2018 10:29 AM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

The power supply is NRTL certified and the battery is NRTL
certified. The rest of the tablet I assume is limited energy
circuit.  Does the tablet require NRTL certification?

*Brian Kunde*

Manager • Compliance Engineering

LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

*From:*Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:43 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
*Subject:* [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment. 
They use a Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface
console.  The machine is being investigated at a USA NRTL for
North American marks and they need a safety mark or report to
validate the tablet. The tablet has no NRTL mark and so I'm trying
to get a CB Certificate, and also the report as well if possible
(IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere
because it's listed on their DoC and they comply with the RED,
which mandates a safety report for EU.

I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department
to reach someone at Samsung to get the safety report but no luck
so far.  Does anyone on this list have a contact or suggestion as
to how I might get to the right department or person at Samsung?

Thanks,

Carl



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Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Richard Nute 
 

Its not the temperature, but the thermal energy that is transferred to a body 
part.  Consider aluminum foil versus cast aluminum at the same temperature, say 
140 F.  The foil won’t burn you, but the cast aluminum sure will!

 

The thermal resistance of plastic will give you the time to disconnect from the 
140 F surface of your laptop before you suffer a burn.

 

You need a new laptop, too!  😊

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

 

From: IBM Ken  
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] hot laptop

 

Aren't we supposed to call them "notebook" computers now, so it can be claimed 
they're not intended for use on a lap?  

 

For what it's worth, I've measured up to 140F on the surface of my computer...

 


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Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread IBM Ken 
Aren't we supposed to call them "notebook" computers now, so it can be
claimed they're not intended for use on a lap?

For what it's worth, I've measured up to 140F on the surface of my
computer...

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Nyffenegger, Dave <
dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com> wrote:

> That’s in the plan.  This one slows down apparently when it’s not too
> busy.  If it’s just the OS running with no programs it’s cool as can be.
> But if I wanted a laptop to only do one thing at a time I’d use MS-DOS.
> With several programs running and multiple browsers with multiple windows
> it runs the CPU full out regardless of temp.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:42 PM
> *To:* Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* hot laptop
>
>
>
>
>
> Get a new laptop.  Intel devices now slow down if they get too hot.  My
> new laptop barely gets warm.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nyffenegger, Dave 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:35 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact
>
>
>
> I’d like to ask the same question of my “name brand” laptop with the same
> circumstances.  The CPU runs just under 100 degrees F according to Intel
> diagnostics and the case bottom runs hot enough it can’t actually sit on a
> lap.
>
>
>
> -Dave
>
>
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[PSES] Looking for RF/EMC Engineer

2018-08-16 Thread Stephen Whalen 
Greeting all,SGS North America is looking for RF/EMC Engineer in Suwanee 
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Re: [PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave 
That’s in the plan.  This one slows down apparently when it’s not too busy.  If 
it’s just the OS running with no programs it’s cool as can be.  But if I wanted 
a laptop to only do one thing at a time I’d use MS-DOS.  With several programs 
running and multiple browsers with multiple windows it runs the CPU full out 
regardless of temp.
-Dave

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:42 PM
To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: hot laptop


Get a new laptop.  Intel devices now slow down if they get too hot.  My new 
laptop barely gets warm.
Rich


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Subject: Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

I’d like to ask the same question of my “name brand” laptop with the same 
circumstances.  The CPU runs just under 100 degrees F according to Intel 
diagnostics and the case bottom runs hot enough it can’t actually sit on a lap.

-Dave


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[PSES] hot laptop

2018-08-16 Thread Richard Nute 
 

Get a new laptop.  Intel devices now slow down if they get too hot.  My new 
laptop barely gets warm.

Rich

 

 

From: Nyffenegger, Dave  
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

 

I’d like to ask the same question of my “name brand” laptop with the same 
circumstances.  The CPU runs just under 100 degrees F according to Intel 
diagnostics and the case bottom runs hot enough it can’t actually sit on a lap.

 

-Dave

 


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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave 
I’d like to ask the same question of my “name brand” laptop with the same 
circumstances.  The CPU runs just under 100 degrees F according to Intel 
diagnostics and the case bottom runs hot enough it can’t actually sit on a lap.

-Dave

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Subject: Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

The power supply is NRTL certified and the battery is NRTL certified. The rest 
of the tablet I assume is limited energy circuit.  Does the tablet require NRTL 
certification?

Brian Kunde
Manager • Compliance Engineering
LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
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Subject: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment.  They use a 
Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  The machine is 
being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American marks and they need a 
safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  The tablet has no NRTL mark and 
so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, and also the report as well if possible 
(IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's 
listed on their DoC and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety 
report for EU.

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Thanks,

Carl

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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Erick Latvala 
Hello Carl,

There appears to be a CB Test Report and Test Certificate for this tablet.  You 
can check by going to the following link and search in the “Free Text” box for 
SM-T820.

http://certificates.iecee.org/ods/cb_hm.xsp

This doesn’t give you the Certificate, but should confirm one exists and 
includes the standards used and national differences applied.

Erick.
From: Carl Newton 
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To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Brian,

Li batteries and battery packs have conditions of acceptability that must be 
confirmed within the end-use application.  That is the hook in this 
application.  Our NRTL understandably must confirm this.   I consider our 
NRTL's willingness to accept the CB Cert and Report rather generous in this 
case because that doesn't ensure follow-up factory inspections.  I'm sure the 
fact that it's Samsung is the reason why.

Thanks,

Carl
On 8/16/2018 10:29 AM, Kunde, Brian wrote:
The power supply is NRTL certified and the battery is NRTL certified. The rest 
of the tablet I assume is limited energy circuit.  Does the tablet require NRTL 
certification?

Brian Kunde
Manager • Compliance Engineering
LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:43 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment.  They use a 
Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  The machine is 
being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American marks and they need a 
safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  The tablet has no NRTL mark and 
so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, and also the report as well if possible 
(IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's 
listed on their DoC and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety 
report for EU.

I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to reach 
someone at Samsung to get the safety report but no luck so far.  Does anyone on 
this list have a contact or suggestion as to how I might get to the right 
department or person at Samsung?

Thanks,

Carl



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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Jim Hulbert 
I’ve had a similar situation where we use a tablet as a product’s user 
interface module.  Our NRTL required the tablet to have an NRTL listing.   I 
think that’s because there are specific safety testing requirements not just 
for the battery but for its charge/discharge circuits and the tablet enclosure 
requires minimum flammability ratings for use in the end product.

Jim Hulbert


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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

The power supply is NRTL certified and the battery is NRTL certified. The rest 
of the tablet I assume is limited energy circuit.  Does the tablet require NRTL 
certification?

Brian Kunde
Manager • Compliance Engineering
LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:43 AM
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Subject: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment.  They use a 
Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  The machine is 
being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American marks and they need a 
safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  The tablet has no NRTL mark and 
so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, and also the report as well if possible 
(IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's 
listed on their DoC and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety 
report for EU.

I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to reach 
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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Carl Newton 

Brian,

Li batteries and battery packs have conditions of acceptability that 
must be confirmed within the end-use application.  That is the hook in 
this application.  Our NRTL understandably must confirm this.   I 
consider our NRTL's willingness to accept the CB Cert and Report rather 
generous in this case because that doesn't ensure follow-up factory 
inspections.  I'm sure the fact that it's Samsung is the reason why.


Thanks,

Carl

On 8/16/2018 10:29 AM, Kunde, Brian wrote:


The power supply is NRTL certified and the battery is NRTL certified. 
The rest of the tablet I assume is limited energy circuit.  Does the 
tablet require NRTL certification?


*Brian Kunde*

Manager • Compliance Engineering

LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

*From:*Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:43 AM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment.  
They use a Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface 
console.  The machine is being investigated at a USA NRTL for North 
American marks and they need a safety mark or report to validate the 
tablet.  The tablet has no NRTL mark and so I'm trying to get a CB 
Certificate, and also the report as well if possible (IEC 60950-1).  
There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's listed on 
their DoC and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety report 
for EU.


I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to 
reach someone at Samsung to get the safety report but no luck so far.  
Does anyone on this list have a contact or suggestion as to how I 
might get to the right department or person at Samsung?


Thanks,

Carl


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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Charlie Blackham 
Carl

Information for a suitable contact in the public domain could be found from:

  *   Signatory on the EU DoC https://www.samsung.com/mobile_doc/
  *   Technical contact and/or applicant for the FCC ID, 
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: Carl Newton 
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Subject: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment.  They use a 
Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  The machine is 
being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American marks and they need a 
safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  The tablet has no NRTL mark and 
so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, and also the report as well if possible 
(IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's 
listed on their DoC and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety 
report for EU.

I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to reach 
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Thanks,

Carl


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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Kunde, Brian 
The power supply is NRTL certified and the battery is NRTL certified. The rest 
of the tablet I assume is limited energy circuit.  Does the tablet require NRTL 
certification?

Brian Kunde
Manager • Compliance Engineering
LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:43 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment.  They use a 
Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  The machine is 
being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American marks and they need a 
safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  The tablet has no NRTL mark and 
so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, and also the report as well if possible 
(IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's 
listed on their DoC and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety 
report for EU.

I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to reach 
someone at Samsung to get the safety report but no luck so far.  Does anyone on 
this list have a contact or suggestion as to how I might get to the right 
department or person at Samsung?

Thanks,

Carl


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Re: [PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread John Woodgate 

I'll pass you request to someone in Samsung UK, but it may not help.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
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On 2018-08-16 13:43, Carl Newton wrote:

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment. They 
use a Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  
The machine is being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American 
marks and they need a safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  
The tablet has no NRTL mark and so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, 
and also the report as well if possible (IEC 60950-1).  There's some 
form of a 60950-1 report somewhere because it's listed on their DoC 
and they comply with the RED, which mandates a safety report for EU.


I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to 
reach someone at Samsung to get the safety report but no luck so far.  
Does anyone on this list have a contact or suggestion as to how I 
might get to the right department or person at Samsung?


Thanks,

Carl

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[PSES] CB Certificate For Samsung Tablet - Need Contact

2018-08-16 Thread Carl Newton 

Group,

I'm working with a company that manufacturers exercise equipment. They 
use a Samsung S3 tablet model SM-T820 as a user interface console.  The 
machine is being investigated at a USA NRTL for North American marks and 
they need a safety mark or report to validate the tablet.  The tablet 
has no NRTL mark and so I'm trying to get a CB Certificate, and also the 
report as well if possible (IEC 60950-1).  There's some form of a 
60950-1 report somewhere because it's listed on their DoC and they 
comply with the RED, which mandates a safety report for EU.


I've tried several paths as has the company purchasing department to 
reach someone at Samsung to get the safety report but no luck so far.  
Does anyone on this list have a contact or suggestion as to how I might 
get to the right department or person at Samsung?


Thanks,

Carl


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