Re: EN 61000-3-2 Mandatory Implementation Dates?
I recently presented a paper on this subject, the commission has still not listed anything in the OJ about the implementation dates. You can find the paper on line off the following page ! http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm I do intend to keep this presentation up to date when/if the commission do publish something ? At 13:49 8/4/98 -0500, you wrote: In the March/April issue of Compliance Engineering in an article about harmonics measurements, there is mention of formal acceptance of a dow for 61000-3-2 of January 1, 2001. This means that equipment which fell under the scope of EN 60555-2, may continue to be tested to that (less restrictive) standard until January 1, 2001. However, unless I am missing something it also means that products that did not fall under 60555-2, but fall under the scope of 61000-3-2 (for example ITE) must immediately go from no harmonic emissions requirement to having to comply with the most restrictive 61000-3-2 requirements. Or... is it an option to test these products to 60555-2 until Jan. 1, 2001? Does the original June 1, 1998 dow have any meaning in this latest twist on the powerline emissions saga? If you have definitive information on this issue, please keep the EMC-PSTC group informed. Thanks! Doug Frazee EMC Compliance Engineer Windermere Information Technology Systems MILCOM Compliance Laboratories (MCL) division 401 Defense Highway Annapolis, MD 21401 USA (410) 266-1793 (410) 266-1751 FAX dfra...@windermeregroup.com Attachment Converted: D:\my documents\Attachments\EN 61000-3-2 Mandatory Implemen Regards Andy Griffin __ EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel+44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax+44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Email mailto:agrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk EMC Seminars http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/links/index.htm __
Re: EN 55022 ITE Class A vs. Class B?
EN55022 is currently the relevant product family specification, hence the generic specification have no relevnace. EN55022 clearly states that class B is for equipment intended primarily for the residential/domestic environment and class A is for all other locations. Hence the Germany government [or any other] can not impose class B when EN55022 states class A ! Yes there is the problem of home office type situation but the specification does state primarily intended for home use ! What a manufacturer must be aware of is what are the demands of his customers. If EN55022 changes or a different relevant specification is issued then this situation may obviously change ! Regards Andy Griffin __ EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel+44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax+44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Email mailto:agrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk EMC Seminars http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/links/index.htm __ At 09:10 8/4/98 +0200, Ing. Gert Gremmen wrote: hello Tommy, For ITE equipment you'd better perform to Class B, in the whole of the EU. Class A is restricted to industrial locations only, and this is according to the EMC-directive very limited area. Garages, hospitals, offices and even standard light industry should be classified acc. to B. Difference between A and B is distance of testing. The limits for Class A are valid at a testing distance of 30 meters, where Class B requires them to be met at 10 meters. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen == Ce-test, Qualified testing == Consultants in EMC, Electrical safety and Telecommunication Compliance tests for European standards and ce-marking Member of NEC/IEC voting committee for EMC. Our Web presence: http://www.cetest.nl List of current harmonized standards http://www.cetest.nl/emc-harm.htm 15 great tips for the EMC-designer http://www.cetest.nl/features01.htm -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Tommy H. Lee le...@khgw.info.samsung.co.kr Aan: Ing. Gert Gremmen cet...@cetest.nl CC: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Datum: woensdag 8 april 1998 8:04 Onderwerp: EN 55022 ITE Class A vs. Class B? Hello Group I know that ITE can meet Class A ITE Limit. The question is concerning European ITE EMI, Class A and B. Has anyone had or have known of problems with a Class A ITE approval versus a Class B ITE approval. I have heard that Germany is requiring Class B on all equipment entering into Germany (or they are planning on this). Best regards. Tommy
RE: EN 61236-1 or EN 61326-1 ? ? ?
EN61236 has been listed in the OJ under the LVD, can not find any reference to EN61326-1 ? CENELEC EN 61236 Saddles, pole clamps (stick clamps) and accessories for live working IEC 1236:1993, mod. 1995 listing reference C 125 of 1997-04-22 At 10:17 AM 4/1/98 -0600, eric.lif...@natinst.com wrote: If we're talking about EN 61326-1:1997 (not EN 61236) then I have not seen any confirmation that it has been published in the OJ, but I'd be happy to hear that it is. (Well - as happy as I could be given I already have too much testing to do.) BS EN 61326-1:1997 was published by BSI on 15 November 1997, and says it was approved by CENELEC on 11 March 1997. I suppose that, if the Commission was in the right mood, they could have published it in the OJ about a month later. My understanding is that it takes six to nine months to go from EN to OJ. If a standard called EN 61236 does exist, what is it? What is it for? Regards, Eric Lifsey National Instruments WOODS, RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com on 03/31/98 01:41:02 PM Please respond to WOODS, RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com To: 'emc-pstc' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, 'CTL' c...@prodigy.net cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: RE: EN 61236-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable EN 61236 (no dash number) was published in the OJ on 1997-04-22. There is no mention of the -1 standard. You can find the standards that have been published as of the end of 1997 at www2.echo.lu. -- From: CTL[SMTP:c...@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:05 PM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: EN 61236-1 Does anyone know the status of EN 61236-1.=A0 I don't think it is published in the O.J. at this time and if not then a manufacturer cannot self-declare to it. Pryor McGinnis c...@prodigy.net mailto:c...@prodigy.net = Regs Andy Griffin
More UK IEE Seminars
23 Feb, Antennas+propagation Web Site http://www.iee.org.uk/Events/e23feb98.htm 24 Feb, Low cost antenna technology http://www.iee.org.uk/Events/e24feb98.htm Regards Andy Griffin __ EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel+44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax+44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Email agrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk EMC Seminars http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/links/index.htm __
Re: Harmonics Flicker Presentation, 10 Feb, Sunnyvale CA
Sorry that it doesn't include the spoken word but the following provides the overheads shown at the above Harmonics/Flicker meeting:- http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/harmonics/index.htm Regards Andy Griffin __ EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk EMC Seminars http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/links/index.htm __
Re: Telecommunication Directive
You can get an HTML version of 91/263/EEC on http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/country/europe.htm At 08:15 11/2/98 -0500, Ned Devine wrote: Hello, I am looking for an electronic copy of the marking required by Annex VII of the Telecommunications Terminal Equipment Directive (91/263/EEC). The marking is the crossed hockey sticks with the circle and line through it. It is used to identify equipment/connectors that are ...capable of being connected to the public telecommunications network, but is not intended for such purpose, Thanks Ned Devine Entela, Inc. Toll Free: 1 800 888 3787 Ext. 671 Direct:1 616 248 9671 Fax: 1 616 248 0591 e-mail:ndev...@entela.com Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk Hot Linkshttp://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm EMC Update - Keeping you in touch !
Re: On Humour/Humor ! comment
The issues I'm am raising is exactly language, but language WITHIN the specification. ie dated references to ENVs in the generic specification [the issue !] If I spell foreword or forward wrongly on TREG big deal, but the standard committee have gone and put a dated reference to an ENV which does not make any logically sense. The spoof was aimed at Complaints about typographically errors contained in TREG emails which is not the real issue ! Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:56:04 -0500 From: Victor L. Boersma vboer...@compuserve.com Subject: Foreward and backward To: TREG t...@world.std.com The forward of a typical ENV specification states Please boys and girls, the typical ENV has no forward or backward but a FOREWORD that is not part of the ENV. Vic At 07:41 22/1/98 +1100, Reuben Medding wrote: Vic, Your comments on the new for clear accurate language especially for Standards is very much to the point. Laxity is an excuse for Laziness. Keep up the good work R Medding R MEDDING ASSOCIATES Consulting Engineers EMAIL: medd...@tmx.com.au. FOR INTNL CALLS Ph: 61-3-95328848 FAX: 61-3-95328849 -- From: Victor L. Boersma vboer...@compuserve.com To: INTERNET:t...@world.std.com Subject: On Humour/Humor ! Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:21 AM Andy did a nice spoof on my objections to the abuse of language. It so happens that I am dead serious about the fact that a large portion of the so-called approval problems stem from the abuse of language committed by well-willing engineers in standards and regulations, by and large written by industry. They believe that those who insist the accurate use of language, don't understand the issues, or are trying to avoid the issues. No doubt that may be true in some cases, but my general experience is that this is not pedantery and that they understand the issues a bit too well. However, as many now know quite well, I do not take myself too serious and recommend that nobody in this racket become too self rightuous. Let's stop doing this, if it isn't fun any longer and remember, behind every clown's face is a sad person at heart. Ciao, Vic -- Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk Hot Linkshttp://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm We write software - we don't sell equipment
Foreword looking Humour !
At a recent quiz show some where over the mid atlantic ! Question 1 - What is the size of San Jose State Hospital ? Answer - it contains about fourwards Question 2 - Which goes faster, an explorer or a blazer ? Answer - The explorer, its better at going Fordwards Question 3 - In London, what is the size of Hammersmith election district ? Answer - about fourwards Question 4 - What clubs do Golfs use on the 5th Te at St Andrews ? Answer - Fourwooods Question 5 - What is the opposite to backwards ? Answer - Forewards Question 6 - What Forewords do you say to the EMC engineer who just failed your equipment by .1dB when you know his measurement uncertainty is +/-4dB ? [note :in one 'odd ball' config, one sample, at 3m with many ambients around causing the signal level to change ! Answer - Got to be joking Question 7 - What Fourwords do you say to a college who keeps going on about a trivial minor point without input to the real issue ? Answer - Have a nice day Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk Hot Linkshttp://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm We write software - we don't sell equipment
RE: EN50082-1:1997
EN50082-1:1997 [BSEN50082-1:1998] includes the following dates:- dop - 1998-3-1 dow - 2001-7-1 the forward make NO reference to products which have previously satisfied 1992 requirements. Hence ALL products sold after this date [which need to use the generics] must meet this requirement on 2001-7-1 [year-month-day]. I will check back through my records but I do not remember any such requirement if you choose to use the 1992 version in any given period, it would not make any logical sense. Dependent upon product life cycle it would also not be logical to use the 1992 version if you were still to sell product after 2001-7-1. Note : although the forward of the specification states they have NO legal status as defined by the commission, these will be listed separately in the OJ - so until we see exactly what is written in the OJ it is all supposition ! Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk Hot Linkshttp://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm We write software - we don't sell equipment At 13:54 10/1/98 -0700, Grasso, Charles (Chaz) wrote: There is one little rumor about generic immunity that needs to be confirmed or denied. (It appeared on EMC-PSTC a couple months ago.) Supposedly, if the 1992 edition is used on a product after 1 March 1998, then the transition period for that product is accelerated by six months - to 1 January 2001, rather than the published DOW of 1 July 2001. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumour?? -Original Message- From: Mark Briggs [SMTP:mbri...@elliottlabs.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 12:51 PM To:emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: re: EN50082-1:1997 Which edition of the OJ was EN50082-1 1997 published in ? Mark mbri...@elliottlabs.com Thanks to Christie for the update. There is one little rumor about generic immunity that needs to be confirmed or denied. (It appeared on EMC-PSTC a couple months ago.) Supposedly, if the 1992 edition is used on a product after 1 March 1998, then the transition period for that product is accelerated by six months - to 1 January 2001, rather than the published DOW of 1 July 2001. Is this really a published requirement - or some rogue internal policy? Regards, Eric Lifsey Compliance Engineer National Instruments Christie Bishop christ...@compuserve.com on 01/07/98 06:51:05 PM Please respond to t...@world.std.com To: INTERNET:t...@world.std.com t...@world.std.com cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: re: EN50082-1:1998 Hi Pete- The standard EN50082-1 is actually dated August 1997. : ) You Wrote:As EN50082-1:1998 is now available, I am wondering whether my EMC testing to the EU's EMC Directive MUST now be done in accordance with this version which is more stringent than the 1992 version. More specifically: 1) Has EN50082-1:1998 been listed in the OJ? EN50082-1 is in the OJ 2) What is the transition period (if any)? The transition is from 3/1/1998 to 7/1/2001. Yes it is more stringent and there are more tests. i.e. EN 61000-4-2 , -3, -4, -5 , -6, -8 and -11 as well as ENV50204. Hope this helps Christine Bishop Business Services Manager EMC Technology Services, Inc. (A wholly owned subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories) Full Service EMC/Safety/Telecom Test Lab Phone: 510-440-3838 Fax: 510-440-3992
Re: Distance of Measurements
I would just like to point out that the CISPR22 reference which has been quoted ie only class B equipment may be assessed at 3m etc is actually a note in the specification and therefore is for guidance only and has no legal status ? Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@dnai.com http://www.emisoft.co.uk Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment At 04:40 13/6/97 -0400, you wrote: To all, I am curious as to the impact of this version of the standard to the use 3 meter semi-anechoic chambers. Regards. -- From: Martin Garwood To: DouglasScott Cc: emc-pstc Subject: Re: Distance of Measurements Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 11:32AM As Scott correctly quoted from EN55022 (and CISPR 22 1993 edition), If the field strength measurement at 10 m cannot be made because of high ambient noise levels or for other reasons, measurement of Class B EUTs may be made at a closer distance, for example 3m. It does not mention, or include class A, only B. Class A equipment must be tested at 10 metres. When introduced, this was a fundamental change, as this statement was not in previous versions of CISPR22. Some labs choose to overlook it, particularly those having OATS with unacceptably high ambients clouding the spectrum. When all else fails, read the standard. Best Regards. Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@dnai.com http://www.emisoft.co.uk Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment
Re: EN50147-1:1996 ? MIL-STD-285
It also may be worth your while looking at BS EN 50147-1 : 1997 (EN50147-1:1996) -Anechoic chambers, Part 1. Shield attenuation measurements ! Available from BSI (and other outlets) tel +44 181 996 7000 / fax +0181 996 7001 At 09:11 21/2/97 GMT, you wrote: Can anyone tell me where to obtain MIL-STD-285 standard; Method of attenuation measurements for enclosures, electromagnetic shielding, for electronic test purposes or equivalent. Thanks in advance, Raymond Li Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@dnai.com Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment
ENVs the last word
Is this the last word on ENVs ! ENVS.DOC Description: MS-Word document Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@dnai.com Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment
ENVs
Dear All CENELEC have finally decided to go into print to explain that EN61000-4-3 and EN61000-4-6 should be used instead of their relevant ENVs. Even though (as previously explained) they did not need to do this - least it will clear up any misunderstanding people may have ! Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@dnai.com Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment
IEC / EN 61000-4-X
For information the following IEC/EN61000-4-x series have been issued (or draft) where 199X indicates draft :- Specification Year IEC 1000-4-1 1992 IEC 1000-4-2 1995 IEC 1000-4-3 1995 IEC 1000-4-4 1995 IEC 1000-4-5 1995 IEC 1000-4-6 1996 IEC 1000-4-7 1991 IEC 1000-4-8 1993 IEC 1000-4-9 1993 IEC 1000-4-E 199X IEC 1000-4-10 1993 IEC 1000-4-11 1994 IEC 1000-4-12 1994 IEC 1000-4-13 199X IEC 1000-4-14 199X IEC 1000-4-15 199X IEC 1000-4-16 199X IEC 1000-4-17 199X IEC 1000-4-20 199X IEC 1000-4-21 199X IEC 1000-4-24 199X IEC 1000-4-25 199X IEC 1000-4-26 199X IEC 1000-4-28 199x EN61000-4-1 1994 EN61000-4-2 1995 EN61000-4-X 1996 EN61000-4-4 1995 EN61000-4-5 1995 EN61000-4-6 1996 EN61000-4-7 1993 EN61000-4-8 1993 EN61000-4-9 1993 EN61000-4-10 1993 EN61000-4-11 1994 EN61000-4-12 1995 Be careful of referenced ENVs which will act as ENs until the EN is published. At 17:54 12/12/96 -0500, you wrote: The IEC versions of the standards you mentioned, are published (IEC 1000-4-X). The EN versions EN61000-4-X will essentially be copies of the IEC versions. I'm not sure if they are all published yet or not. Keep in mind, the standards that you must test to for compliance with the EMC Directive are those called out in a product or product family standard. If none is published for your particular product, you must use the generic immunity and emissions standards, which will then call out what test you must do (as well as the levels you do the tests at, and the failure criteria). Mike H. Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +468 188244 Uk Fax +1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Email agrif...@dnai.com Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +468 188244 Uk Fax +1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@dnai.com Compuserve 100653,2442 We write software - we don't sell equipment
