Re: [PSES] To earth or not to earth......

2015-03-05 Thread Chris Allen
Hi Bostjan / Ted,

Thanks for the information.

The pluggable type A equipment in question has a VDR + GDT in series in the
PSU. Mains cord connection is Line, Neutral and Earth with earth
terminating to the chassis inside the unit. There is also has a provision
for a permanently connected earth conductor (external earth screw in
chassis).

The question is does the unit have to be permanently connected to earth? Or
does just providing the provision for a permanent connection meet the
requirement?

Thanks,
Chris.

On 5 March 2015 at 14:13, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Hello Chris,



 Your equipment is required to have a provision for a permanently connected
 earthing conductor.



 Section 1.5.9.4 gives you three options.

 ·If your equipment has no permanent connections, it must be
 Pluggable Type B. Since you have already described your product as
 Pluggable Type A, this option isn’t available.

 ·Your equipment can have a permanent mains connection. Again,
 since you have Pluggable Type A, you can’t use this option.

 ·This leaves the third option of providing a provision for a
 permanently connected earthing conductor along with providing instructions
 on its proper use.



 It is not prohibited from having equipment with a permanent earthing
 connection yet pluggable line connections. This is an unusual and somewhat
 impractical construction, but it is allowed. It’s not all that different
 from the Japanese Class 01 plug. In Japan, grounded outlets are uncommon.
 Most residential and commercial outlets are NEMA 1-15 with just line and
 neutral. There is a strange plug in Japan that is allowed under Japanese
 national differences to IEC 60950-1. The Class 01 plug
 http://www.quail.com/P-2013.098/Power-Cord--Quail-Pn-2013098--25m-125mm3-Vctf-Black-Nacc-Jis-8303-Japan-With-Ground-Lead-To-Roj.aspx
 has the line and neutral blades, but it also has a ground wire coming off
 of it with a fork or ring lug. It isn’t exactly what would be required on
 your equipment, but it does show that such constructions are used in Japan.



 Ted Eckert

 Compliance Engineer

 Microsoft Corporation

 ted.eck...@microsoft.com



 The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
 my employer.



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 *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:16 AM
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 I'm looking for some views on IEC60950-1 Ed.2 + A2 section 1.5.9.4



 If you have pluggable type A equipment that has a PSU with a VDR + GDT in
 series bridging primary insulation does the equipment have to be
 permanently connected to a protective earthing conductor?



 Section 1.5.9.4 states that equipment with such a VDR bridging basic
 insulation shall be one of the following:

- Pluggable Type B: or
- Permanently connected equipment: or
- Equipment that has provision for a permanently connected protective
earthing conductor and is provided with instructions for the installation
of that conductor.



 What this doesn't say is that it *shall* be permanently connected.



 Other sections in the standard where permanent connection is required say
 just that e.g. section 2.3.2.3 The installation instructions shall specify
 that this separate protective earthing terminal be permanently connected to
 earth.



 Any thoughts / views gratefully received.



 Thanks,

 Chris.





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[PSES] To earth or not to earth......

2015-03-05 Thread Chris Allen
I'm looking for some views on IEC60950-1 Ed.2 + A2 section 1.5.9.4

If you have pluggable type A equipment that has a PSU with a VDR + GDT in
series bridging primary insulation does the equipment have to be
permanently connected to a protective earthing conductor?

Section 1.5.9.4 states that equipment with such a VDR bridging basic
insulation shall be one of the following:

   - Pluggable Type B: or
   - Permanently connected equipment: or
   - Equipment that has provision for a permanently connected protective
   earthing conductor and is provided with instructions for the installation
   of that conductor.


What this doesn't say is that it *shall* be permanently connected.

Other sections in the standard where permanent connection is required say
just that e.g. section 2.3.2.3 The installation instructions shall specify
that this separate protective earthing terminal be permanently connected to
earth.

Any thoughts / views gratefully received.

Thanks,
Chris.

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Re: LED Color

2002-03-22 Thread Chris Allen


Luiz,

For information technology equipment there is the ergonomics standard ISO 9241.
This, I believe, is the standard that has superseded ZH1/618 as the ergonomic
requirements in order to obtain the GS mark in Germany.

Kind regards,
Chris.





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Hi all,

Does anybody know any standard or guideline regarding the colors used in LED
displays? Usual applications commonly apply green for ON and red for
OFF, but I would like to know if there is any national / international
standard that specifies the LED color according to the fuction that it is
informing to the user (eg. alarm, continuous operation, high/low speed,
etc.)

Any info is highly appreciated.

Regards,

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Re: product modifications by the end user

2002-03-19 Thread Chris Allen



Chris,

I'm not sure about EN60065, but in EN60950 the user is always considered to be
unqualified personnel and therefore does not know what they are exposing
themselves to. If you invite a user to remove a cover from a unit (even if you
have told them to disconnect the mains) the whole of the unit becomes user
accessible by definition of the standard and must be safe even when powered.

The user should not be exposed to any hazardous energy / voltages i.e. all
circuits should be SELV.

Maybe you should ask the bright marketing person to have a go. If he survives
then it is OK.

Cheers,
Chris.





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Hello good people

Just say someone in your marketing department came up with the bright idea
of selling upgrade kits to an unqualified, untrained end user that involved
removing the top cover of a product.  In the process not only would the
victim be exposed to hazardous voltages (if the product was still connected
to the mains) but he/she would also have to wire up mains connections.
There would also be a possibility that critical insulation would be
disturbed.

Apart from telling them that they were mad and suggesting that someone could
be killed or seriously injured, would there be any black and white
legislation that you could use to help bin this idea?  I can't find anything
specific in EN60065 or the LVD.

Thanks for any input

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Re: Power Supply Cord Plug for Saudi Arabia

2002-01-31 Thread Chris Allen


Luiz,

Take a look at the following link. Interpower Components Ltd have some fairly
comprehensive information on their web site.

http://www.panelcomponents.com/interpower/guide.htm

Kind regards,
Chris.






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Hi friends,

Can anybody inform which are the power supply cords required to be used in
household appliances sold in Saudi Arabia?
I know that British fused plugs are used there (for 220V/60Hz), but I want
to know if this is a regulatory requirement.
BTW, class OI or class II appliances are acceptable for selling there?

Any comments will be highly appreciated.

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Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread Chris Allen



Andy,

I'm not sure, but the Directive you may be referring to is 1999/44/EC.

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/lif/dat/1999/en_399L0044.html

Kind regards,
Chris.


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Forum-
I was just informed (without any further details given) that warranty
periods for products shipped to Europe going to 24 months, mandated by law.
Does someone know the specifics of this, or maybe point me in the right
direction?
I started digging on the europa.eu.int website, but have not found anything
yet.

Thanks-
-Andy

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Systems Design Engineer
MTS Systems Corp
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EN55022: 1998 Postponement

2001-07-26 Thread Chris Allen




Has anybody seen a formal document postponing the implementation of EN55022:
1998 as a mandatory requirement from 01/08/2001?

Thanks,
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Re: EN55022:1998 Annex C

2001-05-29 Thread Chris Allen


Hi Bill,

In addition to ITE that connects to the telecomms network, it also applies to
equipment that employs LANs. Under the definitions, section 3.6 defines
Telecommunication Ports as:

Ports which are intended to be connected to telecommunications networks (e.g.
public swithed telecommunication networ, integrated services digital networks),
local area networks (e.g. Ethernet, Token Ring) and similar networks.

Regards,
Chris.






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Treggers,
I need your help re EN55022:1998 and what I've been told is Annex C which is an
additional conductive test effective 8/1/01. Does this apply to all ITE or just
that which connects directly to the telecom network? I've been receiving mixed
responses from the local EMC labs.
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PCB Characteristics.

2001-02-01 Thread Chris Allen



List members,

Does anybody have a good source of information on the subject of PCB materials
and the amount of smoke/fumes given off when burnt?

 I would guess that this may be applicable in the aircraft industry.

Thanks,
Chris.



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EN 61000-3-3 listing on a DoC.

2000-12-07 Thread Chris Allen




I have a question regarding EN 61000-3-3. The standard states under section 6.1
that Tests shall not be made on equipment which is unlikely to produce
significant voltage flicker and fluctuations. This is true for the equipment in
question.

I have been asked by a customer to included the standard on the DoC for the
unit.

My question is:

Is it valid to list a standard on a DoC in the above situation i.e. when the
product has not been tested against it?

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RE: For UL watchers... a job opening...

2000-10-19 Thread Chris Allen




So, you didn't want the job then Chris?

Chris.





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Looks like an essential requirement is the ability to write long winded,
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Re: Conducted Emissions on Telecom Ports

2000-09-06 Thread Chris Allen



Pryor,

Unfortunately, I don't think the definition is in question. It specifically
states, that for the purposes of the standard, LANs are to be considered as
telecomms ports as per section 3.6. It probably would have been less ambiguous
if the standard defined Telecomms ports as Ports which are intended to be
connected to the telecomms network OR LANs OR similar networks.

As far as enforcement goes this will not change from the current method of
enforcing compliance, primarily via the end user requesting DoCs and the
relevent test data to back this document up.

I believe the requirement goes back to a test that was performed under either
VDE 0805 or 0806 (it was a long time ago that I had to perform the test). It was
specifically aimed at unscreened cables over a certain length being placed in
cable ducts and their impact on adjacent telecomms cables (if anybody remebers
StarLan this was the product I was involved in).

Chris.





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I do not disagree with the positions posted on this subject.  My question is
how does the EU interpret and enforce this requirement/definition.

Pryor

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  LAN ports
  Testing Conducted RF Emissions on LAN twisted-pair lines is almost
  contrary to the intent of EN 55022 as Gary pointed out.  Conducted
  emissions is more appropriate for asynchronous analog lines.

  LAN transmissions are digital and synchronous (except maybe ATM); the
  receiver part of the interface circuitry locks onto the frequency of
  data, rejecting spurious frequencies. The signals are truely digital,
  not analog as in a modem.

  Arcnet, Ethernet, and Fast Ethernet TP cabling links two points
(node,
  hub, switch, bridge) which digitally reconstitute the signal,
  eliminating spurious cable frequencies.

  Token-Ring is peer-peer, usually through a passive hub.  Each node
  (peer) reconstitutes the signal as above.

  Ethernet, F-E and Token-Ring ANSI/IEEE or ISO/IEC physical layer
  requirements define interfaces, cable lengths/type(s) and timing.

  Coax cable rules for Arcnet, 10Base2 Ethernet) permit connection to
  multiple nodes but again, the digital nature of the signals and the
  well-defined connectivity rules prevent problems.

  David


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  Define telecom port.
  A LAN port isn't neccessarily a LAN port. Ethernet ports do not
 connect directly to the Telecommunications network - a necessary condition
 before being a telecommunications port. LANS and MANS operate all of the
 time without any use of any telecommunications equipment. Generally,
 Ethernet or Fast Ethernet for short distances and Gig Ethernet for longer
 distances. IF -- the telecommunications lines are needed there is some
sort
 of bridge that takes the ethernet and its digitized Voice over Internet
 Protocol (Voip) and does all of the phone stuff and makes the actual
 metallic connection. That birdge has the only telecommunication ports on
 it.
  Gary


 -Original Message-
 From: Pryor McGinnis [mailto:c...@prodigy.net]
 Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:24 AM
 To: Pettit, Ghery; david_ster...@ademco.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
 Subject: Re: Conducted Emissions on Telecom Ports



 Confusing isn't?

 - Original Message -
 From: Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com
 To: david_ster...@ademco.com; emc-p...@ieee.org; c...@prodigy.net
 Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:40 PM
 Subject: RE: Conducted Emissions on Telecom Ports


  Actually, it's August 1, 2001 as posted in the OJ on January 25th of
this
  year.  You've got 1 less month to start testing to the new standard.
 
  Ghery Pettit
  Intel
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: david_ster...@ademco.com [mailto:david_ster...@ademco.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:04 PM
  To: emc-p...@ieee.org; c...@prodigy.net
  Subject: RE: Conducted Emissions on Telecom Ports
 
 
 
   The date of withdrawal of EN 55022:1998 is September 1, 2001.  Look
 at
   the NIC manual's DofC --- the mfgr. may not be declaring compliance
 to
   conducted emissions yet.
 
 
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  Subject: Re: Conducted Emissions

EMC regulations for equipment onboard aircraft

2000-05-11 Thread Chris Allen




Can anybody point me in the direction of the regulations for EMI / EMC approval
for non-critical electronic equipment (entertainment systems) for use on
aircraft.

Thanks,
Chris.



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Australian Electrical Approvals Authority

1999-06-28 Thread Chris Allen



Good morning,

Is there anybody who can provide me with the contact details for the Australian
Electrical Approvals Authority ?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Chris.



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Re: Colors of indicators

1999-04-28 Thread Chris Allen


Hi Jim,

The first time I came across this requirement was when carrying out GS approval
on a PC. It came from the German ergonomic standard ZH1/618.

Regards,
Chris.





Allan, James james_al...@milgo.com on 27/04/99 13:27:21

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Subject:  Colors of indicators




Several years ago I remember that indicators could not be red in color. This
requirement seems to have gone away per EN60950 1.7.8.2. Could the group
provide me with a bit of history as to where the original requirement to be
not red came from.  Was it a part of the German GS mark requirements or
did it have a wider application in Europe than just GS marking?  No great
acts hang in the shadow of the answer, just a bit of curiosity.

Jim Allan
Senior Compliance Engineer
Milgo Solutions Inc.
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Re: ESD TABLE

1999-04-18 Thread Chris Allen


Hi Bill,

At 3Com the insulator we use is 2 thicknesses of a polycarbonate material. The
material is supplied to us by one of our label manufacturers. This is acceptable
to UKAS in the UK as our facilities have just received accreditation.

I will forward on the details of the supplier when I get back in to the office
next week.

Regards,
Chris.





bill.jacowl...@chr.carsys.philips.com on 16/04/99 15:56:33

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Subject:  ESD TABLE






 Greetings All:

 I am building an ESD table and need to know what kind of material is
 the insulation mat that sits on top of the horizontal coupling plane.

 Any information on vendors who sell the above would also be
 appreciated.


 Thanks in advance!

 Bill Jacowleff
 Mannesmann, VDO Control Systems
 Airpax Instrument Group
 150 Knotter Drive
 Cheshire CT 06410
 TEL: 203 271-6394
 FAX: 203 271-6200
 EMail: bill.jacowl...@chr.carsys.philips.com



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