RE: Fiber and AC mains wire runs
David: The Insulated Conductors Committee of the IEEE has a fiber optic cables working group that has come up with a document called P1428 - IEEE Guide for Installation Methods for Fiber Optic Cables in Electric Power Generating Stations and in Industrial Facilities. You can also check the fiber optic section of the IEEE ICC web site: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/pes/icc/ for more information as to whether this guide has been published. In power cable engineering, the term high voltage is used for cables rated above 69 kV and above. Those cables employ a semiconductive jacket over the insulation for installations that are in proximity to communications cables. Not sure what the practice is for low voltage (115-230V ac)but the ICC working group on fiber optic cables should be able to give you some guidelines. Hope it helps. Evangeline Cometa CSA International Tel. 416-727-2671 -Original Message- From: Cereceres, David [mailto:dcerece...@pelco.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:11 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Toste, David Subject: Fiber and AC mains wire runs Hello Group, Does anyone know of any European or North American restrictions against running fiber and high voltage (115-230v ac) through the same conduit entry of a product? I am aware of certain standards that allow running high and low voltage wiring together, provided the wiring has sufficient insulation. I am also aware that fiber jacketing is electrically non-conductive. So would it follow that there are no restrictions running high voltage wiring and fiber optics together through the same conduit entry? I have reviewed the NEC but have been unable to come to a definitive conclusion. Is there a European equivalent of the NEC that I could possibly reference? Once again, your expert advice is greatly appreciated, David R. Cereceres Safety Engineer Pelco 800-289-9100x3493 559-292-1981x3493 dcerece...@pelco.com mailto:dcerece...@pelco.com www.Pelco.com http://www.pelco.com/ --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Three Phase Power in Japan?
John: I briefly scanned the quoted database. Approval mark for China is now CCC (China Compulsory Certification) which replaces CCEE and CCIB as of May 1, 2002 but fully implemented May 1, 2003. References could be made available off-line if you wish. There is also PSE mark in a circle for Japan for non-specified items and S-JQA mark(voluntary). T-Mark under DENTORI has been replaced by the PSE marks under DENAN Law. Also, if I may add, although some countries may not have approval marks, a certificate of conformity must be obtained as customs clearance document for any imported shipment (such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia). Thanks, Evangeline Cometa CSA International -Original Message- From: John Barnes [mailto:jrbar...@iglou.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:10 PM To: rbus...@es.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Three Phase Power in Japan? (snip) * INTERNATIONAL PRIMARY POWER, PLUGS, LANGUAGES, APPROVAL MARKS, AND APPROVAL AGENCIES, at http://www.dbicorporation.com/internat/internat.htm (full database covering 300 countries, 360KB, 50+ pages printed out). (snip) If you spot any errors or major omissions in it, please let me know so that I can fix them. Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, ESDC Eng, SM IEEE dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: EU ascensions - Which countries officially accept the CE mark ?
Czech Republic and Hungary have a bilateral agreeement with EU (the PECA agreement) on acceptance of CE-marking for products that originate in the European Union. Some non-EU origin products may have to undergo additional testing to demonstrate conformity with EU standards. Mandatory certification in Slovakia and Slovenia is no longer in force. Registration of supplier's Declaration of Conformity is required with the local certification body. CE marking will be in force at a later date. Same thing may be true for the rest but I have no confirmation as of yet. Evangeline From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@flextronics.com] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:44 AM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: EU ascensions - Which countries officially accept the CE mark? All, There are 8 countries, that I know of, that are currently in the process of ascension into the EU: The Czech Republic (*) Turkey Bulgaria Hungary (*) Poland Romania Slovakia Slovenia Those with (*), I believe, have passed legislation to officially accept the CE mark for ITE products. Does anyone know if the remaining countries on this list have either passed legislation to accept the CE mark, or do they still require their own national marks? Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Cantwell This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Standards for Israel
Barbara: Further to my earlier response, the Israeli standard equivalent to IEC 60065 is SI 250 and for IEC 60950, it is SI 1121. The Isareli EMC standard is SI 961. The applicable parts for ITE are equivalent to CISPR 22 and 24. Hope that helps. Evangeline CSA International From: Brooks, Barbara [mailto:bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:45 PM To: EMC Post Subject: Standards for Israel Could anyone provide me with information about what standards would be required for compliance of an ITE / Audio Visual product for Israel? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Barbara Brooks Wyle Laboratories 7800 Highway 20 West Huntsville, AL 35806 (256) 837-4411 ext 595 (256) 721-0144 Fax mailto:bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com mailto:kf4...@hotmail.com kf4...@hotmail.com --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you.
RE: Draft RoH Directive
I doubt that it should necessarily be zero. From my wire and cable days, there are test methods to determine the halogen content of zero halogenated materials (bromine is a halogen). Zero concentration is therefore, a relative term - it could be less than 1%. I think the reason that there is no maximum concentration specified yet is that there is no concensus and no harmonised standard test method yet. After all, this is still a draft proposal. Evangeline Cometa CSA International From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:26 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Draft RoH Directive The draft of the RoH Directive bans, effective 1 July 2006, certain substances in new electrical and electronic equipment with certain listed exceptions. However, outside the exceptions, no maximum allowable concentration values of the banned substances is listed. Article 5 provides for future amendments to specify such maximum concentration values, but the values do not exist at this time. Thus, it appears that, unless the draft Directive is revised or amended, the maximum allowable concentration values of the banned substances are zero parts per million. Am I reading this correctly? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: EU bans certain flame retardants
1. This ban probably falls under the safety aspects of the Low Voltage Directive which covers not just electrical risks from the use of electrical equipment but also chemical and mechanical. Another risk is the amount of and type of smoke generated in case of fire. 2. The European market has historically taken the leading approach towards discouraging the use of halogenated flame retardants, (FR), such as PVC and brominated substances. European suppliers have also pioneered zero-halogen FRs. Many companies have have it in their specifications requiring their suppliers to declare that their materials are non-brominated. Halogenated FR are still widely used in North America especially for wiring insulation because they are cheaper, can be processed using traditional extrusion methods and more effective as flame retardants. I am afraid you have to ask your supplier if you want to know if a particular component is brominated or not. Evangeline Cometa Assistance to Exporters CSA International From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:13 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EU bans certain flame retardants I found the following announcement on the Commission's website. European Parliament and EU ministers agree to ban potentially toxic flame retardants Enterprise Europe, Brussels, 18 December 2002 - The European Parliament today unanimously agreed to ban the marketing and use across the EU of the chemical flame retardants penta- and octabromodiphenyl ether (pentaBDE, octaBDE), from 1 July 2004. This decision was taken in a conciliation procedure after a careful risk assessment and in consultation with stakeholders and Member State experts. PentaBDE and octaBDE are used almost exclusively in flexible polyurethane foam furniture and upholstery such as mattresses, sofas and armchairs. PentaBDE and degradation products of octaBDE are bioaccumulating, have been found in human breast milk, and pose risks to the environment. The results of a further risk assessment on decabromodiphenyl ether (decaBDE) should be available by mid of next year. Further decisions to act on its results will take account of new scientific evidence, and the availability of reliable substitutes. I have two questions. 1) What Directive or other legal instrument does this ban fall under? 2) Can anyone state with a reasonable degree of certainty that these substances are not used as fire retardants in wiring insulation and plastics typically found in electronic equipment? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Switzerland Compliance Homologation Requirements
On why Switzerland is not a member of the EU: They have always maintained the concept of a neutral and independent country. One of the purposes of the formation of the EU (which is to prevent another war by integrating their economies) does not apply to them. Preservation of sovereignty is another reason. Joining the EU has far-ranging implications and would mean integrating their laws, from economic, political, technical etc. but the debate is ongoing - they have also recently elected a pro-EU Federal Parliament. By the way, Switzerland is an EFTA member but they are not a member of the monetary union. From: Collins, Jeffrey [mailto:jcoll...@ciena.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 1:29 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Switzerland Compliance Homologation Requirements Hi Group, Does anyone have any current information on telecom requirements in Switzerland? Mine is a little out dated. Specifically I'm looking into: * CO gear requirements * Network Access permits or licenses * Networking gear requirements with residential line access On a side note: Does anyone know the story on why Switzerland is not a member of the EU, EEA or EFTA? In my previous experiences they accepted CE mark data based on the applicable harmonized standards. Also, do they accept the EURO for currency? Thanks, Jeffrey Collins Sr. HW Engineering Manager EMC/ NEBS/ Reliability/ Safety CIENA Core Networking Division 5965 Silver Creek Valley Road (408) 571-3002, Fax (408) 965-2705 jcoll...@ciena.com http://www.ciena.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --IMPORTANT NOTICE-- This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or telephone and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
