Re: [PSES] Job Posting

[Stephen Whalen]

Yes.  Sr. Product Reg Compliance Eng.

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> On Nov 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Patrick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ken - 
> Thanks for confirming.  
> I also received several DM saying the same, the message got through.
> I still have not seen it, so maybe my gmail is blocking.
> 
> Thanks again to everyone who replied.
> Have a great day !
> 
> -Patrick
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:15 AM Ken Javor  
>> wrote:
>> I saw one. Something about a compliance manager for a company selling into 
>> the EU, or all over, or some such.
>> 
>> Ken Javor
>> Phone: (256) 650-5261
>> 
>> 
>> From: Patrick 
>> Reply-To: Patrick 
>> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:20:52 -0800
>> To: 
>> Subject: [PSES] Job Posting
>> 
>> i'd like to post a job opening, but can't seem to get through.
>> 
>> .. this is second attempt to get a message onto the forum.  
>> message sent yesterday not showing in my inbox...
>> 
>> does anyone see a message from me, from yesterday, with a job posting?
>> 
>> -Patrick
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[PSES] Looking for RF/EMC Engineer

[Stephen Whalen]

Greeting all,SGS North America is looking for RF/EMC Engineer in Suwanee 
Georgia.
Please apply using the link below.
Regards,Stephen Whalen
Link is  Test Engineer - RF/EMC - Suwanee, GA in United States, Georgia, Suwanee
  
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[PSES] SAR Phantoms (SPEAG)

[Stephen Whalen]

Group,I have two SPEAG phantoms used for SAR testing that I am selling.  
Selling them because I am relocating.  One SAM and one oval both, in excellent 
condition. 
Please email me directly if you are interested.
Regards,Stephen

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[PSES] RSU license areas, communication zones and regulations

[Stephen Whalen]

Greetings,I have a customer asking why a RSU class C is restricted to 400 
meters with max power of 20 dBm (see table below)?  They want to understand why 
1000 meters can't be used for RSU class C with max power of 20 dBm.Are the 
communications zones used to ensure a level of signal quality for the users?
Thank you,Stephen Whalen

| 47 CFR 90.375 - RSU license areas, communication zones and regulations |
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| RSU Class | Max Power (dBm) | Comm Zone (m) |  |
| A | 0 | 15 |  |
| B | 10 | 100 |  |
| C | 20 | 400 |  |
| D | 28.8 | 1000 |  |


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[PSES] SPEAG SAR Phantoms for sale

[Stephen Whalen]

All,I have following four SAR phantoms for sale.2 SAMs1 Oval1 Dual
Please contact me directly if interested.
Regards,stephenscwha...@bellsouth.net

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Re: [PSES] No Postings?? [General Use]

[Stephen Whalen]

Sadly, I am not attending the TCB workshop this week.Did you get this response?
Stephen 

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 10:51 AM, Doug Powell  wrote:
 

 ​Well, yours just came through... so there's one
Maybe everyone is too busy.
Best,  Doug

Douglas E PowellLaporte, Colorado USA
dougp01@gmail.comhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/ dougp01

Doug


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK) 
 wrote:

Hi there Group

For some reason it appears that I am not getting any postings from the forum?
Does anyone know why this as occurred?

Regards
Andy




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[PSES] RF / SAR equipment

[Stephen Whalen]

 All,I am in the process of a career change and am looking to unload some RF 
and SAR equipment.Please contact me directly if you are interested.
Regards,Stephen whalenscwha...@bellsouth.net

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Re: [PSES] Co-located modules

[Stephen Whalen]

 co-located without 
some additional effort” For example, co-locating two modules and then 
calculating the new combined RF Exposure MPE value to verify that the product 
still meets the requirements, would be acceptable.   It does not necessarily 
mean a C2PC is needed, for example. I think you’re right that 20 cm is ‘good 
guidance’ with regard to RF Exposure.   But if your modules are 20.5cm apart, 
you might still want to consider the overall compliance of that final product… 
and a co-located MPE calculation is not too hard.  Thanks, Michael.   From: 
Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: 14 February 2017 23:34
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Subject: [PSES] Co-located modules All,For a module that has "must not be 
co-located" restriction on FCC grant.  What is the minimum separation distance 
allowed for another transmitter?  I recall 20cm but can't find where it is 
documented. Regards,Stephen-
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Re: [PSES] Co-located modules

[Stephen Whalen]

Thank you, everyone!
Regards,Stephen 

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:37 AM, Bill Stumpf  
wrote:
 

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this topic is that the FCC considers collocated as "in the same enclosure".  
Indications are that any reference to <20cm being considered collocated has 
been set aside.     Bill    From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:18 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Co-located modules    Hi Stephen,    One thing to remember 
is that “must not be co-located” really just means “must not be co-located 
without some additional effort”    For example, co-locating two modules and 
then calculating the new combined RF Exposure MPE value to verify that the 
product still meets the requirements, would be acceptable.   It does not 
necessarily mean a C2PC is needed, for example.    I think you’re right that 20 
cm is ‘good guidance’ with regard to RF Exposure.   But if your modules are 
20.5cm apart, you might still want to consider the overall compliance of that 
final product… and a co-located MPE calculation is not too hard.       Thanks,  
  Michael.          From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: 14 February 2017 23:34
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Co-located modules    All, For a module that has "must not be 
co-located" restriction on FCC grant.  What is the minimum separation distance 
allowed for another transmitter?  I recall 20cm but can't find where it is 
documented.    Regards, Stephen -
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[PSES] Co-located modules

[Stephen Whalen]

 All,For a module that has "must not be co-located" restriction on FCC grant.  
What is the minimum separation distance allowed for another transmitter?  I 
recall 20cm but can't find where it is documented.
Regards,Stephen

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Re: [PSES] New LG Monitors and Wi-Fi

[Stephen Whalen]

My guess is both.If a manual specifies a separation distance which is not 
followed - operator error.A product of this stature shouldn't have this problem 
- design error.
Stephen 

On Monday, January 30, 2017 11:52 AM, "Kortas, Jamison" 
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  What do you all think 
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Re: [PSES] ISO 13485-2016

[Stephen Whalen]

Thanks everyone! 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:20 AM, Stephen Whalen 
 wrote:
 

  All,I am helping a client with medical device manufacturing QMS.  ISO 13485 - 
2016 has been released however 2016 version is not listed as harmonized with 
EU.  Does anyone know if 2016 version is acceptable now for CE 
approval?https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/medical-devices_en
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[PSES] ISO 13485-2016

[Stephen Whalen]

 All,I am helping a client with medical device manufacturing QMS.  ISO 13485 - 
2016 has been released however 2016 version is not listed as harmonized with 
EU.  Does anyone know if 2016 version is acceptable now for CE 
approval?https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/medical-devices_en
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[PSES] wireless link requirements

[Stephen Whalen]

 Dear experts,I have been ask to identify directives/standards and 
certification requirements for propriety wireless link (example; propriety BT 
link in wireless device) in EU and China.  Unfortunately my research isn't 
going as well as I expected.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [PSES] Rechargeable lithium battery EU Standards/Directives

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All,Thank you so much for the information!
Regards,Stephen 

On Friday, October 28, 2016 10:34 PM, Scott Xe  wrote:
 

 Hi Stephen,

I would like to add more insights of Brian’s good advice.

UN packaging – As lithium-ion battery is considered as dangerous goods, you 
have to meet this requirements for air shipment, otherwise, flight forwarder 
will not accept your goods.  Even sea shipment, you have to comply with IMDG 
Code.

EN 62133 is mandatory requirement to most end product applicable standards.  
Clause 8.3.9 must be applied.  As China is large market share of supply, 
applying GB 31241 2014 is better.

You have to clarify if the battery charger is built-in your end product or not 
for correct classification of EPS.  Battery charger is critical component to 
protect the battery cell from overheating, bursting into flame or explosion.

In addition, cell factory quality control is important as well.  Consider IEEE 
1725 or something similar.


Regards,

Scott








On 29/10/2016, 3:01 AM, "Brian O'Connell"  wrote:

    1. Review the requirements and standards for secondary batteries referenced 
in the safety standard(s) scoped by your end-use equipment.
    
    2. Review UN packaging and transport standards and regulations for Li 
batteries.
    
    3. Understand that EN62133 is a minimalist approach to battery safety.
    
    4. Determine if separate charger standard is normative for the scope of the 
end-use equipment.
    
    Brian
    
    From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net] 
    Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:42 AM
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    Subject: [PSES] Rechargeable lithium battery EU Standards/Directives
    
    All,
    I am trying to identify the necessary EU standards and directives for 
rechargeable lithium batteries for small electronic devices.  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.  
    
    Regards,
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[PSES] Rechargeable lithium battery EU Standards/Directives

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 All,I am trying to identify the necessary EU standards and directives for 
rechargeable lithium batteries for small electronic devices.  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.   
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Re: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard

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Brent,Many thanks on your feedback!Good to know that not many filings include 
spherical data but a little surprised since the technology has been around for 
some time.  The antenna in question is in 800MHz band, external monopole for a 
wall mount consumer device.The device will also include internal dual band (2.4 
+ 5GHz) WiFi antenna.I see IEEE 149-1977 standard test procedures for antennas 
which was reaffirmed in 2008.  Do you know if this includes gain measurement 
procedures that would be applicable to 800MHz band and WiFi?
Regards,Stephen 

On Friday, July 1, 2016 8:45 PM, Brent DeWitt  wrote:
 

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{}#yiv7121602957 I forgot to say that, depending on the frequency (higher is 
worse) it’s almost impossible to know what the maximum antenna gain you will 
find in a full spherical is versus three orthogonal cuts.  In my products I’ve 
seen 7dB difference at 5 GHz of an antenna in a product.  It’s also worth 
noting that there are _very_ few submittals I’ve seen that include spherical 
pattern data.  The three axis palanr measurements are much more common.  Sorry 
for the list pollution of two posts back to back!  Brent DeWit  From: Stephen 
Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:01 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard  Greetings,Does anyone know 
which standard is used for measuring antenna gain?Are 3D antenna gain 
measurements typically different than 2D with regards to peak gain?  If so, 
what's typical delta, 0.5dB or less?  Regards,Stephen-
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Re: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard

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this invisible 
beam may take hours of scanning (as you have to scan every radial around the 
sphere). Accurate jigging is a must, followed by methodical investigation.    
Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA    From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:17 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard    Ed, Thanks for the 
response. I am looking to measure the gain of an antenna in order to calculate 
EIRP of a product. As far as the 2D vs. 3D, I don't have any values.  I was 
hoping some one who has made measurements using both 2D and 3D would be able to 
comment how much better 3D is over 2D when considering peak gain.    I 
appreciate your feedback, thanks.    Stephen    On Friday, July 1, 2016 3:00 
PM, Ed Price  wrote:    Stephen:   There are a number of ways 
to measure gain, with the basic one being a comparison to a theoretical 
isotropic radiator (yielding a gain number in dBi). However, the antennas used 
for EMI and compliance testing are usually used in the near field, where the 
standard you are testing to defines the acceptable measurement distance and 
styles of antennas. Thus, there is often a preferred gain measurement technique 
defined by the standard you are working to.   In regard to what you told us, 
what is 2D & 3D (dimension) gain? And what is peak gain? What standard is 
defining these terms?   Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA   From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:01 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard   Greetings, Does anyone know 
which standard is used for measuring antenna gain? Are 3D antenna gain 
measurements typically different than 2D with regards to peak gain?  If so, 
what's typical delta, 0.5dB or less?   Regards, Stephen -
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 wrote:    Stephen:   There are a number of ways to measure 
gain, with the basic one being a comparison to a theoretical isotropic radiator 
(yielding a gain number in dBi). However, the antennas used for EMI and 
compliance testing are usually used in the near field, where the standard you 
are testing to defines the acceptable measurement distance and styles of 
antennas. Thus, there is often a preferred gain measurement technique defined 
by the standard you are working to.   In regard to what you told us, what is 2D 
& 3D (dimension) gain? And what is peak gain? What standard is defining these 
terms?   Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA   From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:01 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard   Greetings, Does anyone know 
which standard is used for measuring antenna gain? Are 3D antenna gain 
measurements typically different than 2D with regards to peak gain?  If so, 
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Re: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard

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Ed,Thanks for the response.I am looking to measure the gain of an antenna in 
order to calculate EIRP of a product.As far as the 2D vs. 3D, I don't have any 
values.  I was hoping some one who has made measurements using both 2D and 3D 
would be able to comment how much better 3D is over 2D when considering peak 
gain.
I appreciate your feedback, thanks.
Stephen 

On Friday, July 1, 2016 3:00 PM, Ed Price  wrote:
 

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{}#yiv3080917348 Stephen:  There are a number of ways to measure gain, with the 
basic one being a comparison to a theoretical isotropic radiator (yielding a 
gain number in dBi). However, the antennas used for EMI and compliance testing 
are usually used in the near field, where the standard you are testing to 
defines the acceptable measurement distance and styles of antennas. Thus, there 
is often a preferred gain measurement technique defined by the standard you are 
working to.  In regard to what you told us, what is 2D & 3D (dimension) gain? 
And what is peak gain? What standard is defining these terms?  Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA

  From: Stephen Whalen [mailto:scwha...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:01 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard  Greetings,Does anyone know 
which standard is used for measuring antenna gain?Are 3D antenna gain 
measurements typically different than 2D with regards to peak gain?  If so, 
what's typical delta, 0.5dB or less?  Regards,Stephen-
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[PSES] Antenna gain measurement standard

[Stephen Whalen]

 Greetings,Does anyone know which standard is used for measuring antenna 
gain?Are 3D antenna gain measurements typically different than 2D with regards 
to peak gain?  If so, what's typical delta, 0.5dB or less?
Regards,Stephen

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