Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product? Standard: EN 60065:1998 EN 60065:2002 Sub clause: - Sheet No.: 02/1 Page 1 of 1 Subject: Child appealing Multimedia products Key words: - Meeting: OSM/EE - 2002 Item No. 9.1 Question: Description of situation: A manufacturer of LCD TVs wants to produce LCD TVs which must be designated as CHILD APPEALING product. The LCD TVs will be supplied by an external power supply or a battery pack, internal higher voltages are generated. These types of products are excluded from the scope of the Toy Directive. The manufacturer wants the products to be certified to EN 60065 Is it acceptable to evaluate these products to EN 60065 only? Decision: Since the products are clearly Child Appealing we must bear in mind the normal behaviour of children. Abusing a product is likely to occur; for example, dropping it on the floor, using it in a way that is not intended. Beside the EN 60065 we also will cover applicable additional tests (in case they are more severe than EN 60065 or not covered by EN 60065) according the following standards: EN 71 (toy directive) EN 50088 (safety of electric toys) The General Product Safety Directive 92/59EEC and the Liability Directive for defective products 85/374/EEC have also to be taken into account. An annex to the test report shall show these additional assessments. Explanatory notes: A child-appealing-product is a product which is constructed to represent a model, person or animal such that due to the design and materials used it could be treated by a child as a toy. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: 3D passive glasses In message cd9372ee.1ac0b%scott...@gmail.com, dated Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. I was asked about this more than a year ago, by one of the leading manufacturers. I said that it was a very grey area and they should probably take legal rather than technical advice. I guess that CE marking under the 'toys Directive' is the result. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Sounds logical - but good lord a kid finds dog poo appealing so that's kind of a broad category Gary -Original Message- From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product? Standard: EN 60065:1998 EN 60065:2002 Sub clause: - Sheet No.: 02/1 Page 1 of 1 Subject: Child appealing Multimedia products Key words: - Meeting: OSM/EE - 2002 Item No. 9.1 Question: Description of situation: A manufacturer of LCD TVs wants to produce LCD TVs which must be designated as CHILD APPEALING product. The LCD TVs will be supplied by an external power supply or a battery pack, internal higher voltages are generated. These types of products are excluded from the scope of the Toy Directive. The manufacturer wants the products to be certified to EN 60065 Is it acceptable to evaluate these products to EN 60065 only? Decision: Since the products are clearly Child Appealing we must bear in mind the normal behaviour of children. Abusing a product is likely to occur; for example, dropping it on the floor, using it in a way that is not intended. Beside the EN 60065 we also will cover applicable additional tests (in case they are more severe than EN 60065 or not covered by EN 60065) according the following standards: EN 71 (toy directive) EN 50088 (safety of electric toys) The General Product Safety Directive 92/59EEC and the Liability Directive for defective products 85/374/EEC have also to be taken into account. An annex to the test report shall show these additional assessments. Explanatory notes: A child-appealing-product is a product which is constructed to represent a model, person or animal such that due to the design and materials used it could be treated by a child as a toy. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: 3D passive glasses In message cd9372ee.1ac0b%scott...@gmail.com, dated Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. I was asked about this more than a year ago, by one of the leading manufacturers. I said that it was a very grey area and they should probably take legal rather than technical advice. I guess that CE marking under the 'toys Directive' is the result. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
I agree completely very vague but all I can say is from experience if there was a pair of 3D glasses laying on the coffee table in my TV room my young daughters would be wearing and playing with them in a heartbeat. -Original Message- From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:22 AM To: Tyra, John; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: 3D passive glasses Sounds logical - but good lord a kid finds dog poo appealing so that's kind of a broad category Gary -Original Message- From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product? Standard: EN 60065:1998 EN 60065:2002 Sub clause: - Sheet No.: 02/1 Page 1 of 1 Subject: Child appealing Multimedia products Key words: - Meeting: OSM/EE - 2002 Item No. 9.1 Question: Description of situation: A manufacturer of LCD TVs wants to produce LCD TVs which must be designated as CHILD APPEALING product. The LCD TVs will be supplied by an external power supply or a battery pack, internal higher voltages are generated. These types of products are excluded from the scope of the Toy Directive. The manufacturer wants the products to be certified to EN 60065 Is it acceptable to evaluate these products to EN 60065 only? Decision: Since the products are clearly Child Appealing we must bear in mind the normal behaviour of children. Abusing a product is likely to occur; for example, dropping it on the floor, using it in a way that is not intended. Beside the EN 60065 we also will cover applicable additional tests (in case they are more severe than EN 60065 or not covered by EN 60065) according the following standards: EN 71 (toy directive) EN 50088 (safety of electric toys) The General Product Safety Directive 92/59EEC and the Liability Directive for defective products 85/374/EEC have also to be taken into account. An annex to the test report shall show these additional assessments. Explanatory notes: A child-appealing-product is a product which is constructed to represent a model, person or animal such that due to the design and materials used it could be treated by a child as a toy. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: 3D passive glasses In message cd9372ee.1ac0b%scott...@gmail.com, dated Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. I was asked about this more than a year ago, by one of the leading manufacturers. I said that it was a very grey area and they should probably take legal rather than technical advice. I guess that CE marking under the 'toys Directive' is the result. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
In message cb4d5768bea42049b063ebe16e819bf20ff79...@bluprd0811mb414.namprd08.prod.o utlook.com, dated Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com writes: Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product? The point is that assuming it is solves the problem of whether to put a CE mark on or not. Without a CE mark, there would be trouble with customs, market surveillance and retailers. The manufacture would be forever having to explain why there was no CE mark. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
If there is any product that children should not be playing with, it will be appealing... Scott Aldous Compliance Manager/Engineering Lab Manager AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tyra, John Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:58 AM To: John Woodgate; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: 3D passive glasses Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product? Standard: EN 60065:1998 EN 60065:2002 Sub clause: - Sheet No.: 02/1 Page 1 of 1 Subject: Child appealing Multimedia products Key words: - Meeting: OSM/EE - 2002 Item No. 9.1 Question: Description of situation: A manufacturer of LCD TVs wants to produce LCD TVs which must be designated as CHILD APPEALING product. The LCD TVs will be supplied by an external power supply or a battery pack, internal higher voltages are generated. These types of products are excluded from the scope of the Toy Directive. The manufacturer wants the products to be certified to EN 60065 Is it acceptable to evaluate these products to EN 60065 only? Decision: Since the products are clearly Child Appealing we must bear in mind the normal behaviour of children. Abusing a product is likely to occur; for example, dropping it on the floor, using it in a way that is not intended. Beside the EN 60065 we also will cover applicable additional tests (in case they are more severe than EN 60065 or not covered by EN 60065) according the following standards: EN 71 (toy directive) EN 50088 (safety of electric toys) The General Product Safety Directive 92/59EEC and the Liability Directive for defective products 85/374/EEC have also to be taken into account. An annex to the test report shall show these additional assessments. Explanatory notes: A child-appealing-product is a product which is constructed to represent a model, person or animal such that due to the design and materials used it could be treated by a child as a toy. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: 3D passive glasses In message cd9372ee.1ac0b%scott...@gmail.com, dated Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. I was asked about this more than a year ago, by one of the leading manufacturers. I said that it was a very grey area and they should probably take legal rather than technical advice. I guess that CE marking under the 'toys Directive' is the result. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Hello Scott, As has already been said, 3D Glasses certainly would have 'child appeal' and therefore should comply with the Toy Safety Directive and that's your entitlement for CE Marking them. If I were shipping these, I'd also be tempted to include the General Product Safety Directive (2001/95/EC), which although isn't strictly a CE Marking directive, it would look good on the Declaration of Conformity and and should keep the most exuberant customs inspector happy and might prevent questions about why adult glasses are being classed as toys. Tony. - Original Message - From: Scott Xe Sent: 04/16/13 02:28 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] 3D passive glasses I observed a number of 3D passive glasses in traditional black and in different colours on sale in electrical shops. They are affixed with a CE mark. My inquiry indicates that CE mark demonstrates the compliance with Toys Directive 2009/48/EC. It is interesting to me that the glasses are used with electronics products, 3D TVs and on sale in electrical shops. How can it be classified as a toy? I have no idea about non electrical products. Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-comp! liance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
exactly Gary -Original Message- From: Aldous, Scott [mailto:scott.ald...@aei.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses If there is any product that children should not be playing with, it will be appealing... Scott Aldous Compliance Manager/Engineering Lab Manager AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tyra, John Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:58 AM To: John Woodgate; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: 3D passive glasses Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product? Standard: EN 60065:1998 EN 60065:2002 Sub clause: - Sheet No.: 02/1 Page 1 of 1 Subject: Child appealing Multimedia products Key words: - Meeting: OSM/EE - 2002 Item No. 9.1 Question: Description of situation: A manufacturer of LCD TVs wants to produce LCD TVs which must be designated as CHILD APPEALING product. The LCD TVs will be supplied by an external power supply or a battery pack, internal higher voltages are generated. These types of products are excluded from the scope of the Toy Directive. The manufacturer wants the products to be certified to EN 60065 Is it acceptable to evaluate these products to EN 60065 only? Decision: Since the products are clearly Child Appealing we must bear in mind the normal behaviour of children. Abusing a product is likely to occur; for example, dropping it on the floor, using it in a way that is not intended. Beside the EN 60065 we also will cover applicable additional tests (in case they are more severe than EN 60065 or not covered by EN 60065) according the following standards: EN 71 (toy directive) EN 50088 (safety of electric toys) The General Product Safety Directive 92/59EEC and the Liability Directive for defective products 85/374/EEC have also to be taken into account. An annex to the test report shall show these additional assessments. Explanatory notes: A child-appealing-product is a product which is constructed to represent a model, person or animal such that due to the design and materials used it could be treated by a child as a toy. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: 3D passive glasses In message cd9372ee.1ac0b%scott...@gmail.com, dated Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. I was asked about this more than a year ago, by one of the leading manufacturers. I said that it was a very grey area and they should probably take legal rather than technical advice. I guess that CE marking under the 'toys Directive' is the result. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Hi Anthony, Good point! Did you mean the product is accessed under GPSD and Toys Directive is considered appropriate due to its nature of presentation. As to compliance with Toys Directive, a CE mark is required. Thus the DoC should cover GPSD, Toys, REACH, Packaging Packaging Directives. As regards to RoHS Directive, I have learnt that if a computer comes with a carrying bag, the bag should comply with RoHS as well. For this product, it is used with 3D TVs and should be also considered an accessory to the TV. Do we need to consider RoHS compliance as well? Scott On 17/4/13 11:42 PM, Anthony Thomson ton...@europe.com wrote: Hello Scott, As has already been said, 3D Glasses certainly would have 'child appeal' and therefore should comply with the Toy Safety Directive and that's your entitlement for CE Marking them. If I were shipping these, I'd also be tempted to include the General Product Safety Directive (2001/95/EC), which although isn't strictly a CE Marking directive, it would look good on the Declaration of Conformity and and should keep the most exuberant customs inspector happy and might prevent questions about why adult glasses are being classed as toys. Tony. - Original Message - From: Scott Xe Sent: 04/16/13 02:28 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] 3D passive glasses I observed a number of 3D passive glasses in traditional black and in different colours on sale in electrical shops. They are affixed with a CE mark. My inquiry indicates that CE mark demonstrates the compliance with Toys Directive 2009/48/EC. It is interesting to me that the glasses are used with electronics products, 3D TVs and on sale in electrical shops. How can it be classified as a toy? I have no idea about non electrical products. Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
In message 72efeae07a97414aaeb088f5cba78a0650973...@aedcexc09.aei.com, dated Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Aldous, Scott scott.ald...@aei.com writes: If there is any product that children should not be playing with, it will be appealing... My friend's boy has just found out that piezo gas lighters bite. But he hasn't thought of tazering his big sister - yet! -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Whisper it in his ear! Gary -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:42 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses In message 72efeae07a97414aaeb088f5cba78a0650973...@aedcexc09.aei.com, dated Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Aldous, Scott scott.ald...@aei.com writes: If there is any product that children should not be playing with, it will be appealing... My friend's boy has just found out that piezo gas lighters bite. But he hasn't thought of tazering his big sister - yet! -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
From: Aldous, Scott [mailto:scott.ald...@aei.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 08:09 If there is any product that children should not be playing with, it will be appealing... Or ... not designed for very young children but they want it in their hands (and mouth): teevee/home theater/audio system remote controls, cell phones, notebook or notepad computers, laptops, mp3 players ... Peter Tarver This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 3D passive glasses
I observed a number of 3D passive glasses in traditional black and in different colours on sale in electrical shops. They are affixed with a CE mark. My inquiry indicates that CE mark demonstrates the compliance with Toys Directive 2009/48/EC. It is interesting to me that the glasses are used with electronics products, 3D TVs and on sale in electrical shops. How can it be classified as a toy? I have no idea about non electrical products. Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Scott, I would think this is a toy. They may also be considered an accessory to audio/video equipment, although there is nothing electrical about the device itself. They certainly would have child appealing aspects. Just my personal thoughts on this, Doug Keep your face always toward the sunshine - and shadows will fall behind you. -W. Whitman -Original Message- From: Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:28:14 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-To: Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com Subject: [PSES] 3D passive glasses I observed a number of 3D passive glasses in traditional black and in different colours on sale in electrical shops. They are affixed with a CE mark. My inquiry indicates that CE mark demonstrates the compliance with Toys Directive 2009/48/EC. It is interesting to me that the glasses are used with electronics products, 3D TVs and on sale in electrical shops. How can it be classified as a toy? I have no idea about non electrical products. Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
Hi Doug, Definitely, it was designed for adult use but unfortunately it becomes a toy when it is accessed by a child. Yes, Representational Play that refers to pretend play which emerges when a child begins to use familiar objects in appropriate ways to represent their world. Is there any criteria for this product used by adults apart from toy requirements? Scott On 16/4/13 9:56 PM, doug...@gmail.com doug...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I would think this is a toy. They may also be considered an accessory to audio/video equipment, although there is nothing electrical about the device itself. They certainly would have child appealing aspects. Just my personal thoughts on this, Doug Keep your face always toward the sunshine - and shadows will fall behind you. -W. Whitman -Original Message- From: Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:28:14 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-To: Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com Subject: [PSES] 3D passive glasses I observed a number of 3D passive glasses in traditional black and in different colours on sale in electrical shops. They are affixed with a CE mark. My inquiry indicates that CE mark demonstrates the compliance with Toys Directive 2009/48/EC. It is interesting to me that the glasses are used with electronics products, 3D TVs and on sale in electrical shops. How can it be classified as a toy? I have no idea about non electrical products. Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses
In message cd9372ee.1ac0b%scott...@gmail.com, dated Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Any comments on the product classification? If not a toy, what is the product type should be. I was asked about this more than a year ago, by one of the leading manufacturers. I said that it was a very grey area and they should probably take legal rather than technical advice. I guess that CE marking under the 'toys Directive' is the result. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk They took me to a specialist burns unit - and made me learn 'To a haggis'. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
