Re: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-13 Thread Grace Lin
As Ted Mentioned, GB standards are for mainland China.  They may be viewed
through www.sac.gov.cn (the rectangular icon on the bottom left side).
 
For CNS standards, I tried cnsonline.com.  I stopped when I was asked for an
account.  Several members did go through it and purchased CNS standards.  I
will forward the difficulty of purchasing CNS standards to BSMI.
 
In the meantime, if you urgently need any CNS standard(s), please let me know
by Thursday, August 14, 2008.  A top rank of BSMI official is coming to
Detroit for the 2008 IEEE EMC Symposium next week.  He is more than happy to
assist you.
 
Best regards,
Grace
 
On 8/12/08, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: 

For the ANSI webstore, did you look under Chinese GB  ?
About 15 months ago I bought a Chinese std from ANSI - so do not
know what changed.

I just visited the cnsonline and bsmi.gov.tw sites and got a
multitude of 404 errors, and a 301 (moved).

Also, perhaps Grace Lin could advise, as she once wrote an
article on comparing this std to CISPR.

-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Knighten,
Jim L
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

Charles,

I found acquisition of CNS 13438 to be difficult.  Couldn't find
it on
the ANSI site.  To purchase from cnsonline, you must purchase a
HiTech
prepaid card and that was the difficult part for us.  The web
site was
difficult.  We finally got our in-country rep. to get it for us.
They
said the website was too difficult and they went down to the BSMI
office, purchased a paper copy, scanned it and sent it by e-mail.

Good luck.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org

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Grasso, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Copies of CNS standards

Hello list members,

Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards?

Best Regards
Charles Grasso


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Re: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-13 Thread reheller
Thank you Grace. You may want to impress upon the BSMI official the need
that we have to purchase the BSMI standards in English. While we can have
them translated, it is an expense delay in using the standards and we
cannot be absolutely certain that the standard has been translated
correctly. A translation by BSMI would be convenient and comforting.

Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel:  651- 778-6336
Fax:  651-778-6252




   
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As Ted Mentioned, GB standards are for mainland China.  They may be viewed
through www.sac.gov.cn (the rectangular icon on the bottom left side).

For CNS standards, I tried cnsonline.com.  I stopped when I was asked for
an account.  Several members did go through it and purchased CNS standards.
I will forward the difficulty of purchasing CNS standards to BSMI.

In the meantime, if you urgently need any CNS standard(s), please let me
know by Thursday, August 14, 2008.  A top rank of BSMI official is coming
to Detroit for the 2008 IEEE EMC Symposium next week.  He is more than
happy to assist you.

Best regards,
Grace

On 8/12/08, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote:
  For the ANSI webstore, did you look under Chinese GB  ?
  About 15 months ago I bought a Chinese std from ANSI - so do not
  know what changed.

  I just visited the cnsonline and bsmi.gov.tw sites and got a
  multitude of 404 errors, and a 301 (moved).

  Also, perhaps Grace Lin could advise, as she once wrote an
  article on comparing this std to CISPR.

  -Original Message-
  From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
  Knighten,
  Jim L
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:20 PM
  To: emc-p...@ieee.org
  Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

  Charles,

  I found acquisition of CNS 13438 to be difficult.  Couldn't find
  it on
  the ANSI site.  To purchase from cnsonline, you must purchase a
  HiTech
  prepaid card and that was the difficult part for us.  The web
  site was
  difficult.  We finally got our in-country rep. to get it for us.
  They
  said the website was too difficult and they went down to the BSMI
  office, purchased a paper copy, scanned it and sent it by e-mail.

  Good luck.

  Jim

  James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
  EMC Engineer
  Teradata Corporation
  17095 Via Del Campo
  San Diego, CA 92127

  858-485-2537 - phone
  213-337-5432 - fax

  -Original Message-
  From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
  Brian
  O'Connell
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
  To: emc-p...@ieee.org
  Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

  may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

  also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org

  -Original Message-
  From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
  Grasso, Charles
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
  To: emc-p...@ieee.org
  Subject: Copies of CNS standards

  Hello list members,

  Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards?

  Best Regards
  Charles Grasso


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Re: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-13 Thread John Woodgate

In message 
of3345706a.87e8c8e4-on862574a4.004215c6-862574a4.0042a...@mmm.com, 
dated Wed, 13 Aug 2008, rehel...@mmm.com writes:


A translation by BSMI would be convenient and comforting.

Word of caution; the best translation is done into the translator's 
mother tongue. A translation 'by BSMI' might not meet this criterion.
-- 
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk
Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it,
or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose!
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-13 Thread Grace Lin
John,
 
I have to agree with you.  An engineer from CESI, the publisher for GB
standards, told me that China does not issue an official English version of GB
standards to avoid any issue that may arise due to translation.
 
Best regards,
Grace

 
On 8/13/08, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: 

In message OF3345706A.87E8C8E4-ON8625
4a4.004215c6-862574a4.0042a...@mmm.com, dated Wed, 13 Aug 2008,
rehel...@mmm.com writes:




A translation by BSMI would be convenient and comforting.



Word of caution; the best translation is done into the translator's 
mother
tongue. A translation 'by BSMI' might not meet this criterion.
-- 
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/  and www.isce.org.uk http://www.isce.org.uk/ 
Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to 
stop it,
or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You 
choose!
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK 


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RE: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
Thank you all for your help!



From: emc-p...@ieee.org on behalf of Grace Lin
Sent: Wed 8/13/2008 7:09 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Copies of CNS standards


John,
 
I have to agree with you.  An engineer from CESI, the publisher for GB
standards, told me that China does not issue an official English version of GB
standards to avoid any issue that may arise due to translation.
 
Best regards,
Grace

 
On 8 /13/08, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: 

In message OF3345706A.87E8C8E4-ON8625
4a4.004215c6-862574a4.0042a...@mmm.com, dated Wed, 13 Aug 2008,
rehel...@mmm.com writes:




A translation by BSMI would be convenient and comforting.



Word of caution; the best translation is done into the translator's 
mother
tongue. A translation 'by BSMI' might not meet this criterion.
-- 
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/  and www.isce.org.uk http://www.isce.org.uk/ 
Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to 
stop it,
or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You 
choose!
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK 


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Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-12 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hello list members,

 

Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards? 



 

Best Regards

Charles Grasso

Compliance Engineer

Echostar Communications

(w) 303-706-5467

(c) 303-204-2974

(t) 3033022...@vtext.com

(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com

(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com

 

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RE: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-12 Thread Brian O'Connell
may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Grasso, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Copies of CNS standards

Hello list members,
 
Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards? 

Best Regards
Charles Grasso

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RE: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-12 Thread Knighten, Jim L
Charles,

I found acquisition of CNS 13438 to be difficult.  Couldn't find it on
the ANSI site.  To purchase from cnsonline, you must purchase a HiTech
prepaid card and that was the difficult part for us.  The web site was
difficult.  We finally got our in-country rep. to get it for us.  They
said the website was too difficult and they went down to the BSMI
office, purchased a paper copy, scanned it and sent it by e-mail.

Good luck.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax




From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Grasso, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Copies of CNS standards

Hello list members,
 
Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards? 

Best Regards
Charles Grasso

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RE: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-12 Thread Brian O'Connell
For the ANSI webstore, did you look under Chinese GB  ? 
About 15 months ago I bought a Chinese std from ANSI - so do not
know what changed.

I just visited the cnsonline and bsmi.gov.tw sites and got a
multitude of 404 errors, and a 301 (moved).

Also, perhaps Grace Lin could advise, as she once wrote an
article on comparing this std to CISPR.


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Knighten,
Jim L
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

Charles,

I found acquisition of CNS 13438 to be difficult.  Couldn't find
it on
the ANSI site.  To purchase from cnsonline, you must purchase a
HiTech
prepaid card and that was the difficult part for us.  The web
site was
difficult.  We finally got our in-country rep. to get it for us.
They
said the website was too difficult and they went down to the BSMI
office, purchased a paper copy, scanned it and sent it by e-mail.

Good luck.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Grasso, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Copies of CNS standards

Hello list members,
 
Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards? 

Best Regards
Charles Grasso


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RE: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-12 Thread Knighten, Jim L
I did a quick search on the ANSI web site for Chinese GB, as
suggested.  I got 1500 hits, but could not find CNS 13438 and all
documents I browsed through (not all 1500) were in Chinese language,
which is of no help to me.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax





From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:11 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

For the ANSI webstore, did you look under Chinese GB  ? 
About 15 months ago I bought a Chinese std from ANSI - so do not
know what changed.

I just visited the cnsonline and bsmi.gov.tw sites and got a
multitude of 404 errors, and a 301 (moved).

Also, perhaps Grace Lin could advise, as she once wrote an
article on comparing this std to CISPR.


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Knighten,
Jim L
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

Charles,

I found acquisition of CNS 13438 to be difficult.  Couldn't find
it on
the ANSI site.  To purchase from cnsonline, you must purchase a
HiTech
prepaid card and that was the difficult part for us.  The web
site was
difficult.  We finally got our in-country rep. to get it for us.
They
said the website was too difficult and they went down to the BSMI
office, purchased a paper copy, scanned it and sent it by e-mail.

Good luck.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org


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Grasso, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Copies of CNS standards

Hello list members,
 
Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards? 

Best Regards
Charles Grasso


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RE: Copies of CNS standards

2008-08-12 Thread Ted Eckert
The GB standards are for mainland China.  The CNS standards are for Taiwan. 
ANSI does not have many Taiwanese standards.  BSMI is the best place to get
it, but their web site isn't working properly right now.  (At least the
English section is not.)  CE Magazine does have an old comparison between the
Taiwan standard and CISPR 22 that may help.
http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/1999/novdec/Lin.html
 
Ted Eckert
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.

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From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 4:28 PM


I did a quick search on the ANSI web site for Chinese GB, as
suggested.  I got 1500 hits, but could not find CNS 13438 and all
documents I browsed through (not all 1500) were in Chinese language,
which is of no help to me.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax




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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:11 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

For the ANSI webstore, did you look under Chinese GB  ? 
About 15 months ago I bought a Chinese std from ANSI - so do not
know what changed.

I just visited the cnsonline and bsmi.gov.tw sites and got a
multitude of 404 errors, and a 301 (moved).

Also, perhaps Grace Lin could advise, as she once wrote an
article on comparing this std to CISPR.

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Knighten,
Jim L
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

Charles,

I found acquisition of CNS 13438 to be difficult.  Couldn't find
it on
the ANSI site.  To purchase from cnsonline, you must purchase a
HiTech
prepaid card and that was the difficult part for us.  The web
site was
difficult.  We finally got our in-country rep. to get it for us.
They
said the website was too difficult and they went down to the BSMI
office, purchased a paper copy, scanned it and sent it by e-mail.

Good luck.

Jim

James L. Knighten, Ph.D.
EMC Engineer
Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127

858-485-2537 - phone
213-337-5432 - fax

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Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Copies of CNS standards

may not be safe for some browsers - www.cnsonline.com.tw/en/

also, ANSI has CNS - http://webstore.ansi.org

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Grasso, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:25 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Copies of CNS standards

Hello list members,
 
Where can I buy copies of the CNS standards? 

Best Regards
Charles Grasso


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