RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-12 Thread Gregg Kervill

No but there have been several companies in the UK that were closed down by
Enforcement Offices until they corrected Safety and EMC defects that they
were discovered. Another company voluntarily ceased production for 6v months
whilst tooling was modified.

Best regards

Gregg



Gregg Kervill DipIM, MIMgt, MIEEE

VP Engineering
Test4Safety.com Inc
PO Box 310,
Reedville, VA
22539. USA

Phone  ( 804) 453-3141
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-[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Juhasz
-Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:31 AM
-To: 'Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)'
-Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
-Subject: RE: DOC Assembled from tested components
-
-
-
-Rocky,
-
-While your message indicates that the FCC may not have a problem
-with the 'assembled from tested components' concept, it does not
-mean that the end-product will actually meet the limits.
-Poor routing of internal cables, insufficient grounding, just to
-mention a couple of items, can cause failures. This is why
-the EC doesn't have faith CE + CE = CE.
-Although it may work in some cases, it doesn't compare to
-actual testing. If you're going to 'mass produce' a particular
-configuration, take some time and check the emissions.
-You might surprised what you find. In the long run it doesn't
-pay to be 'dollar wise and pound foolish'.
-
-Just my opinion.
-
-GE Interlogix
-
-John A. Juhasz
-Fiber Options Div.
-Bohemia, NY
-
-
-
- All,
- Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the
-assembled from
-tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not
-been able to
-find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC
-documentation for
-their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.
-Have I just
-not found the right manufacturer?
-
- Best regards,
-
- Rocky
-   -)-(-
-
- Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
- Intergraph Solutions Group
- Integrated Products Division
- 170 Graphics Drive
- Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
- phone (256) 730-2131
- fax  (256)730-2424
- kpgon...@ingr.com
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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-11 Thread Peters, Michael

Hello Rocky,

It could very well be that most (if not all) floppy drives have been
certified and are labeled with an FCC ID (There probably haven't been any
improvements in floppy drives that would warrant a recent new design).  Do
you see an FCC ID number on the product?  TEAC's registration number is:
DX9 or BPT (these are the first three digits of the FCC ID).

If I understand 47 CFR 15.101 correctly, you may combine certified and DoC
components to make up your system.  I would recommend calling the FCC's OET
office to find out if they have published any guidance letters that would
clarify the requirements and confirm whether or not you may mix certified
and DoC components.  I seem to remember when this first was established that
you could not mix certified and DoC, but I cannot find anything concrete in
the rules that does not allow it.  The information on certified components
can be collected from the FCC's website if you know the FCC ID number.

It states that in 15.101(e) that if you receive a component from a
manufacturer for further fabrication, it is your responsibility to perform
system testing.

For those not familiar with this marketing/labeling scheme.  The FCC allows
the marketing of a computer system assembled from tested components that
bear the FCC mark.  In this case, FCC + FCC = FCC.  The required label
indicates that the system has not been tested together.

Hope this helps,

Michael Peters

 All,
 Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from
tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to
find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for
their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just
not found the right manufacturer?

 Best regards,

 Rocky
   -)-(-

 Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
 Intergraph Solutions Group
 Integrated Products Division
 170 Graphics Drive
 Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
 phone (256) 730-2131
 fax  (256)730-2424
 kpgon...@ingr.com

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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-11 Thread John Juhasz

Rocky,

While your message indicates that the FCC may not have a problem
with the 'assembled from tested components' concept, it does not 
mean that the end-product will actually meet the limits.
Poor routing of internal cables, insufficient grounding, just to
mention a couple of items, can cause failures. This is why
the EC doesn't have faith CE + CE = CE. 
Although it may work in some cases, it doesn't compare to
actual testing. If you're going to 'mass produce' a particular
configuration, take some time and check the emissions.
You might surprised what you find. In the long run it doesn't
pay to be 'dollar wise and pound foolish'. 

Just my opinion.

GE Interlogix

John A. Juhasz
Fiber Options Div.
Bohemia, NY 



 All,
 Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from
tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to
find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for
their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just
not found the right manufacturer?

 Best regards,

 Rocky
   -)-(-

 Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
 Intergraph Solutions Group
 Integrated Products Division
 170 Graphics Drive
 Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
 phone (256) 730-2131
 fax  (256)730-2424
 kpgon...@ingr.com

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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-11 Thread Colgan, Chris

The prosecutions were for a little more than just CE + CE + CE.  In the
first case heard the company pleaded guilty but their defence lawyer claimed
CE + CE = CE as mitigation.  However, not all the sub assemblies were CE
marked!  In the second case, the manufacturer didn't even bother to produce
a DoC.

The following link gives a more detailed account

http://www.compliance-club.com/archive1/980816.html

Regards

Chris Colgan
Compliance Engineer
TAG McLaren Audio Ltd
The Summit, Latham Road
Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU
*Tel: +44 (0)1480 415 627
*Fax: +44 (0)1480 52159
* Mailto:chris.col...@tagmclaren.com
* http://www.tagmclaren.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Wilson [SMTP:robert_wil...@tirsys.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:55 PM
 To:   richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
 Subject:  RE: DOC Assembled from tested components
 
 
 Seems to me that the court could better use its time to nail some of the
 el-cheapo products from the far east made by manufacturers that just
 stick a CE mark on everything they make as part of the graphics
 design. I have seen numerous such products that haven't a hope of
 getting CE approval, proudly wearing a CE mark.
 
 Bob Wilson
 TIR Systems Ltd.
 Vancouver.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] 
 Sent: June 10, 2002 11:29 AM
 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
 Subject: RE: DOC Assembled from tested components
 
 
 Ken, a UK court ruled that CE+CE does not equal CE. They fined at least
 one
 PC reseller because they integrated and sold PCs based upon the belief
 that
 CE+CE=CE. Obviously, the court thought otherwise.
 
 Richard Woods
 Sensormatic Electronics
 Tyco International
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky) [mailto:kpgon...@ingr.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
 Subject: DOC Assembled from tested components
 
 
 
 All,
   Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from
 tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able
 to
 find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for
 their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I
 just
 not found the right manufacturer?
 
 Best regards,
 
 Rocky
   -)-(-
 
 Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
 Intergraph Solutions Group
 Integrated Products Division
 170 Graphics Drive
 Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
 phone (256) 730-2131
 fax  (256)730-2424
 kpgon...@ingr.com
 
 
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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-10 Thread Robert Wilson

Seems to me that the court could better use its time to nail some of the
el-cheapo products from the far east made by manufacturers that just
stick a CE mark on everything they make as part of the graphics
design. I have seen numerous such products that haven't a hope of
getting CE approval, proudly wearing a CE mark.

Bob Wilson
TIR Systems Ltd.
Vancouver.

-Original Message-
From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] 
Sent: June 10, 2002 11:29 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: DOC Assembled from tested components


Ken, a UK court ruled that CE+CE does not equal CE. They fined at least
one
PC reseller because they integrated and sold PCs based upon the belief
that
CE+CE=CE. Obviously, the court thought otherwise.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky) [mailto:kpgon...@ingr.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: DOC Assembled from tested components



All,
Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from
tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able
to
find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for
their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I
just
not found the right manufacturer?

Best regards,

Rocky
  -)-(-

Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
Intergraph Solutions Group
Integrated Products Division
170 Graphics Drive
Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
phone (256) 730-2131
fax  (256)730-2424
kpgon...@ingr.com


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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-10 Thread Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)

Richard,
This was just for an FCC DOC.  They (FCC) informed me that the floppy 
drive also had to have a DOC.  This is the last document I need so if I can't 
find one then the assembled from tested components will not work for any ITE 
that have floppy disk drives in them!

Rocky
-)-(-

-Original Message-
From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:29 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: DOC Assembled from tested components



Ken, a UK court ruled that CE+CE does not equal CE. They fined at least one
PC reseller because they integrated and sold PCs based upon the belief that
CE+CE=CE. Obviously, the court thought otherwise.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky) [mailto:kpgon...@ingr.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: DOC Assembled from tested components



All,
Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from
tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to
find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for
their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just
not found the right manufacturer?

Best regards,

Rocky
  -)-(-

Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
Intergraph Solutions Group
Integrated Products Division
170 Graphics Drive
Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
phone (256) 730-2131
fax  (256)730-2424
kpgon...@ingr.com


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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-10 Thread richwoods

Ken, a UK court ruled that CE+CE does not equal CE. They fined at least one
PC reseller because they integrated and sold PCs based upon the belief that
CE+CE=CE. Obviously, the court thought otherwise.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky) [mailto:kpgon...@ingr.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: DOC Assembled from tested components



All,
Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from
tested components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to
find a floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for
their device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just
not found the right manufacturer?

Best regards,

Rocky
  -)-(-

Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
Intergraph Solutions Group
Integrated Products Division
170 Graphics Drive
Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
phone (256) 730-2131
fax  (256)730-2424
kpgon...@ingr.com


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RE: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-10 Thread Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)

Fred,
I have asked both Sony and Teac for DOC's and haven't received a 
positive response.  Where may one find the DOC information?  I have searched 
the web sites and sent them email too!  Did I not get the right people?

Best Regards,

Rocky
-)-(- 

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From: Fred Townsend [mailto:f...@poasana.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:29 PM
To: Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: DOC Assembled from tested components


Rocky:

It is not clear what information you are looking for.  Are you looking for 
hook-up information or trying to write a driver? If you want to know how to 
hook it up, both Sony and Teac have such documents.  If you are writing a 
driver, the data sheet on the old NEC 765 controller chip may be of some help.  
No one uses the 765 any
more because they use multifunction chips but the data sheet is still the most 
comprehensive for the driver writer.

Fred Townsend

Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky) wrote:

 All,
 Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from tested 
 components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to find a 
 floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for their 
 device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just not 
 found the right manufacturer?

 Best regards,

 Rocky
   -)-(-

 Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
 Intergraph Solutions Group
 Integrated Products Division
 170 Graphics Drive
 Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
 phone (256) 730-2131
 fax  (256)730-2424
 kpgon...@ingr.com

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Re: DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-10 Thread Fred Townsend

Rocky:

It is not clear what information you are looking for.  Are you looking for 
hook-up information or trying to write a driver? If you want to know how to 
hook it up, both Sony and Teac have such documents.  If you are writing a 
driver, the data sheet on the old NEC 765 controller chip may be of some help.  
No one uses the 765 any
more because they use multifunction chips but the data sheet is still the most 
comprehensive for the driver writer.

Fred Townsend

Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky) wrote:

 All,
 Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from tested 
 components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to find a 
 floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for their 
 device; even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just not 
 found the right manufacturer?

 Best regards,

 Rocky
   -)-(-

 Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
 Intergraph Solutions Group
 Integrated Products Division
 170 Graphics Drive
 Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
 phone (256) 730-2131
 fax  (256)730-2424
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DOC Assembled from tested components

2002-06-10 Thread Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)

All,
Has anyone successfully issued a DOC using the assembled from tested 
components method for a personal computer?  I have not been able to find a 
floppy disk drive manufacturer that has any DOC documentation for their device; 
even the ones marketing directly to home users.  Have I just not found the 
right manufacturer?

Best regards,

Rocky
  -)-(-

Kenneth P. Gonzalez (Rocky)
Intergraph Solutions Group
Integrated Products Division
170 Graphics Drive
Madison, Alabama, USA 35758
phone (256) 730-2131
fax  (256)730-2424
kpgon...@ingr.com


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