Re: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment
In message 200601220606_mc3-1-b660-e...@compuserve.com, dated Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Cortland Richmond 72146@compuserve.com writes The reason is that there are MANY ways to damage your hearing and playing a CD player too loud is just one. Also, we don't have any evidence that a significant number of people DO play them too loud. The Leaving aside whether there is indeed a need for such a limit... There is significant evidence that some young people are damaging their hearing. But this is much more likely to be due to clubbing than to portable audio products. Orchestral players wear ear-plugs these days. It seems to me that the only way to reliably limit the sound pressure applied to eardrums is to require a physical limit on the amount of air an *earphone* can move. Without knowing the acoustic efficiency of whatever transducer a user has, it is difficult, and perhaps impossible, to do so at the electronics end. Yes, that's what EN 55032-2 simply doesn't work, since that is what it tries to do. EN 55032-1 applies to players sold with their headphones, limits the sound pressure level from the headphones when fed from the player, and the test conditions are with everything 'set to maximum'. This isn't realistic even for heavy-metal material, and pretty disastrous for classical music. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. John Woodgate - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment
John Woodagate wrote: The reason is that there are MANY ways to damage your hearing and playing a CD player too loud is just one. Also, we don't have any evidence that a significant number of people DO play them too loud. The Leaving aside whether there is indeed a need for such a limit... It seems to me that the only way to reliably limit the sound pressure applied to eardrums is to require a physical limit on the amount of air an *earphone* can move. Without knowing the acoustic efficiency of whatever transducer a user has, it is difficult, and perhaps impossible, to do so at the electronics end. Cortland Richmond KA5S - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment
Dear Alain, Thanks. Your reply increases the confidence for believing this Decree is officially published and enacted. You may like to see the following link where translates the Article L. 5232-1 into English. http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en u=http://www.admi.net/jo/20051228/SANP0524596A.html http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en sl=fru=http://www.admi.net/jo/20051228/ Considering another comment from Mr. John Woodgate, I think John hit the good points. That's why we are still hesitant to proceed necessary steps. Taking acoustic performance, customer/user expectations, and many other aspects into account, it's hard to decide in order to just meet the France Decree. It would be much appreciate if any other comment from the group. Thanks, Anderson HTC Corporation From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of alain.samlai (岑國綸) Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:20 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment Dear Anderson, There is a Decision that has been made for the application of Article L. 5232-1 and published in the French government JO (link: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnTexteDeJorf?numjo=SANP0524596A ) last December. Alain Giga-Byte From: Anderson Cheng (TPE) [mailto:anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:33 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment Hi Folks, Has anyone heard about the France Decree - Article L. 5232-1 of the Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment? It's going to limit SPL (Sound Pressure Level) from personal stereo equipment to 100 dB. If this decree has been enacted, then the enforced date will be from 1 May 2006. I am not sure if this France Decree is still a proposed draft or has been officially published and enacted? P.S. Personal Stereo Equipment such as portable apparatus that constitutes allowing the sound reproduction or the radiophonic reception, or both, by means of a headphone or earphones diffusing the sound with the ears of the user and that this one can use while moving. This may include but not limit to musical Walkmans, MP3 players, PDAs, and Mobile Phones, etc. Thanks, Anderson Cheng Product Safety Environmental Manager HTC Corporation +886-2-8912 4138 ext. 8393 anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE : The information in this e-mail is confidential and privileged; it is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named as the recipient hereof. Disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail by persons other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may violate applicable laws. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete the original message and notify us by return email or collect call immediately. Thank you. High Tech Computer Corporation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE : The information in this e-mail is confidential and privileged; it is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named as the recipient hereof. Disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail by persons other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may violate applicable laws. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete the original message and notify us by return email or collect call immediately. Thank you. High Tech Computer Corporation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org
RE: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment
Dear Anderson, There is a Decision that has been made for the application of Article L. 5232-1 and published in the French government JO (link: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnTexteDeJorf?numjo=SANP0524596A ) last December. Alain Giga-Byte From: Anderson Cheng (TPE) [mailto:anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:33 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment Hi Folks, Has anyone heard about the France Decree - Article L. 5232-1 of the Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment? It's going to limit SPL (Sound Pressure Level) from personal stereo equipment to 100 dB. If this decree has been enacted, then the enforced date will be from 1 May 2006. I am not sure if this France Decree is still a proposed draft or has been officially published and enacted? P.S. Personal Stereo Equipment such as portable apparatus that constitutes allowing the sound reproduction or the radiophonic reception, or both, by means of a headphone or earphones diffusing the sound with the ears of the user and that this one can use while moving. This may include but not limit to musical Walkmans, MP3 players, PDAs, and Mobile Phones, etc. Thanks, Anderson Cheng Product Safety Environmental Manager HTC Corporation +886-2-8912 4138 ext. 8393 anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE : The information in this e-mail is confidential and privileged; it is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named as the recipient hereof. Disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail by persons other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may violate applicable laws. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete the original message and notify us by return email or collect call immediately. Thank you. High Tech Computer Corporation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment
In message a8f96c0643d3fd4abacdbec25ceb58c12ef...@htctpemsg2.htctaipei.htc.com.tw, dated Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Anderson Cheng (TPE) anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw writes Has anyone heard about the France Decree - Article L. 5232-1 of the Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment? It's going to limit SPL (Sound Pressure Level) from personal stereo equipment to 100 dB. If this decree has been enacted, then the enforced date will be from 1 May 2006. UK objected very strongly in CENELEC about the underlying standard EN 50332-1. The French Decree initiative exists because they had no success in persuading the Commission that a Directive should be enacted. UK position, endorsed by organizations concerned with hearing loss, is that the way to stop people damaging their hearing is public education. The reason is that there are MANY ways to damage your hearing and playing a CD player too loud is just one. Also, we don't have any evidence that a significant number of people DO play them too loud. The one item on the site below that mentions players mentions exposure time but says nothing about sound level. Otherwise it's very sensible: http://www.dontlosethemusic.com/home/ I am not sure if this France Decree is still a proposed draft or has been officially published and enacted? Neither do I. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. John Woodgate - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
France Decree - Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment
Hi Folks, Has anyone heard about the France Decree - Article L. 5232-1 of the Public Health Code on personal stereo equipment? It's going to limit SPL (Sound Pressure Level) from personal stereo equipment to 100 dB. If this decree has been enacted, then the enforced date will be from 1 May 2006. I am not sure if this France Decree is still a proposed draft or has been officially published and enacted? P.S. Personal Stereo Equipment such as portable apparatus that constitutes allowing the sound reproduction or the radiophonic reception, or both, by means of a headphone or earphones diffusing the sound with the ears of the user and that this one can use while moving. This may include but not limit to musical Walkmans, MP3 players, PDAs, and Mobile Phones, etc. Thanks, Anderson Cheng Product Safety Environmental Manager HTC Corporation +886-2-8912 4138 ext. 8393 anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE : The information in this e-mail is confidential and privileged; it is intended for use solely by the individual or entity named as the recipient hereof. Disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this e-mail by persons other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may violate applicable laws. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete the original message and notify us by return email or collect call immediately. Thank you. High Tech Computer Corporation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
